Was that Jacob at the end??

[XmasDVD]

When they showed the preview for next week - with the axe and told Locke that he has been dead for 12 years. ??

Anyone of you that saw the "Next week on an all new LOST" - thst is called a SPOILER! - If you claim you don't like spoilers but you saw that - then too late.!

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[BomberDawg95]

That was Horace Goodspeed, the man who brought Ben and his father to the Island. The only dead member of the Dharma Initiative that Ben showed any respect to.

And he had a bloody nose, I wonder if that's significant...

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

No, no, no... can't be Jacob. Wouldn't you think at least Jacob would look more forboding than that? My son thought it looked a little like the man whose eyes Ben closed on the park bench after the purge (the one who was kind to young Ben). forgot his name. I didn't think it was. But I just doubt the preview guy was Jacob... anyone else?

[1hourisntlongenough]

That was Horace Goodspeed, the man who brought Ben and his father to the Island. The only dead member of the Dharma Initiative that Ben showed any respect to.

And he had a bloody nose, I wonder if that's significant...

He sure did...I noticed that, too! Hmm....

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

ooh, someone else just got there before me... well, so you do think it was him then?

[XmasDVD]

yep it's Horace - see image..

http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Cscreen_captures%5CS3E20_Horace_Death.jpg

[BomberDawg95]

Just by seeing that, we definitely know several very important truths when it comes to the Island: if you die on the island, you may not necessarily be 'dead' in the terms that we often consider dead (i.e: gone, unable to directly interact with anyone else still living, etc). I'm also going to go so far as to say the Whispers are the dead presences around a person who want to reveal themselves, but cannot because the alive person has not gained the 'ability' to see them. I'm thinking it take some kind of considerable trauma of a specific type in order for someone to see a person. And, as shown by Christian in tonight's episode and Charlie in Season 4's Episode 1, the dead can interact with the living.

So, the question is, how do these factors relate to the Philosophy class & Bible that the Producers claim inspired this story?

[wvugurl]

Just by seeing that, we definitely know several very important truths when it comes to the Island: if you die on the island, you may not necessarily be 'dead' in the terms that we often consider dead (i.e: gone, unable to directly interact with anyone else still living, etc). I'm also going to go so far as to say the Whispers are the dead presences around a person who want to reveal themselves, but cannot because the alive person has not gained the 'ability' to see them. I'm thinking it take some kind of considerable trauma of a specific type in order for someone to see a person. And, as shown by Christian in tonight's episode and Charlie in Season 4's Episode 1, the dead can interact with the living.

So, the question is, how do these factors relate to the Philosophy class & Bible that the Producers claim inspired this story?

very very true...but what do they do with the "dead" peopel..the survivors buried them..what about the others...and so far not all that we know are dead we have seen again-like the guy juliette was messing with-...but a very very very good point...

[imascootinspook]

I thought that it was one of the whisperers

[Valenzetti]

Just by seeing that, we definitely know several very important truths when it comes to the Island: if you die on the island, you may not necessarily be 'dead' in the terms that we often consider dead (i.e: gone, unable to directly interact with anyone else still living, etc). I'm also going to go so far as to say the Whispers are the dead presences around a person who want to reveal themselves, but cannot because the alive person has not gained the 'ability' to see them. I'm thinking it take some kind of considerable trauma of a specific type in order for someone to see a person. And, as shown by Christian in tonight's episode and Charlie in Season 4's Episode 1, the dead can interact with the living.

So, the question is, how do these factors relate to the Philosophy class & Bible that the Producers claim inspired this story?

I don't understand then... If the dead aren't really dead, wheres Christian Shepard's body been this entire time on the island? Also, that would mean that all the survivors from 815 died on impact so how are they able to interact with alive people off of the island? soooo many questions now...

[Patchouli Princess]

Just by seeing that, we definitely know several very important truths when it comes to the Island: if you die on the island, you may not necessarily be 'dead' in the terms that we often consider dead (i.e: gone, unable to directly interact with anyone else still living, etc). I'm also going to go so far as to say the Whispers are the dead presences around a person who want to reveal themselves, but cannot because the alive person has not gained the 'ability' to see them. I'm thinking it take some kind of considerable trauma of a specific type in order for someone to see a person. And, as shown by Christian in tonight's episode and Charlie in Season 4's Episode 1, the dead can interact with the living.

So, the question is, how do these factors relate to the Philosophy class & Bible that the Producers claim inspired this story?

Okay. So when Jack is yelling at hospital staff in the flash forwards that his dad is upstairs, could Christian truly be alive? Can the island bring the dead to life? Does that mean there's hope for other people who have died there? But if so, wouldn't Ben know that, and not be quite so sad and vengeful over his daughter's death? More importantly, when is hot Boone going to come back to life?

[jackchick]

The idea I have is that the "dead" are message bearers. In the Bible an "angel" would proclaim truth to be made known. Sometimes the referred angel is really Jesus other times it's a angel like the two named Gabrial or Michael. The philosophy class references for the writers is probably about dead communicating to the living. Charlie visitis Hurley, Christian visits Jack and Claire, Vincent always around, Walt -ok he isn't dead but his image is used for John, John also saw Boone and in a flash Yemmi. Miles ability to speak to the dead has some significance. Don't know what it all is suppose to mean but there it is....

[BoBoTerrific]

here's what i think...

when someone dies one the island (or, a dead body gets to the island, like christian shepard or yemi, eko's brother), the island takes possession of that person and uses them as it pleases. we've seen a bunch of apparitions, mostly involving people who died on the island. these people aren't "alive", just able to be seen as apparitions by the living losties. i've seen other explanations claiming the smoke monster takes the form of people from its "scanning" of people's pasts, so that's why other dead people only indirectly linked to the island may show up (like the guys eko killed in africa).

as far as charlie and christian showing up in the flash forwards, i think that's more of the island communicating with the oceanic 6, people who shouldn't have left the island. the island's powers are pretty extensive. they sent desmond and george into the crazy mental-time warp that spanned over time and space (at least in the minds of the victims). last week, we might have seen the result of ben teleporting to the middle of the desert. assuming the island can control the "island dead" and make them appear to those on the island, would it be that crazy for the island to make the "island dead" appear to people who wrongly leave?

[BomberDawg95]

here's what i think...

when someone dies one the island (or, a dead body gets to the island, like christian shepard or yemi, eko's brother), the island takes possession of that person and uses them as it pleases. we've seen a bunch of apparitions, mostly involving people who died on the island. these people aren't "alive", just able to be seen as apparitions by the living losties. i've seen other explanations claiming the smoke monster takes the form of people from its "scanning" of people's pasts, so that's why other dead people only indirectly linked to the island may show up (like the guys eko killed in africa).

as far as charlie and christian showing up in the flash forwards, i think that's more of the island communicating with the oceanic 6, people who shouldn't have left the island. the island's powers are pretty extensive. they sent desmond and george into the crazy mental-time warp that spanned over time and space (at least in the minds of the victims). last week, we might have seen the result of ben teleporting to the middle of the desert. assuming the island can control the "island dead" and make them appear to those on the island, would it be that crazy for the island to make the "island dead" appear to people who wrongly leave?

I think Charlie's appearance to Hurley is evidence enough that its not the Island 'controlling' the dead. Perhaps it did the work of manifesting them, but Charley had a mind of his own when he visited Hurley...

[kwatt99]

Five will get you ten that it's a tease, like Hurley's "We're all gonna die."

[Missie]

So do you guys think Bens mom's body was brought to the island after she died??

[mahalo_dude]

And what about when Shannon saw Walt? And Locke seeing Walt? He wasn't dead as far as we know, but he supposedly was not on the island either.