You're Not Supposed to Raise Him

[1hourisntlongenough]

OMG!!!! Chills all over my body!!!!!:eek: That was sooo freaky!!!!

[stargazer]

OMG!!!! Chills all over my body!!!!!:eek: That was sooo freaky!!!!
Yep, me too. Hurley was too freaky!

[XmasDVD]

Yep, me too. Hurley was too freaky!

that was odd and then to see his dad as Charlie had said someone would be visiting him soon...

[sj256]

Poor Hurley... thing is, he probably isn't half as crazy as he seems.

[LostFreak21]

Are they all dead in the sense that they need to be on the Island to truly be alive?

[stargazer]

that was odd and then to see his dad as Charlie had said someone would be visiting him soon...
Yep, Daddys back.

[stargazer]

Are they all dead in the sense that they need to be on the Island to truly be alive?

I beginning to wonder about that. So far, no one seems to be happy off the island.

[ortrules]

When Hurley said they were dead, it made me think they are all in the same boat as Michael - miserable, can't kill themselves, etc. They were pretty much dead...

[1hourisntlongenough]

Poor Hurley... thing is, he probably isn't half as crazy as he seems.

EXACTLY!!! He said to Jack, "We're all dead....."
He hasn't been wrong very often, has he?????:eek:

[1hourisntlongenough]

When Hurley said they were dead, it made me think they are all in the same boat as Michael - miserable, can't kill themselves, etc. They were pretty much dead...

Oh I hope that's what he meant......*sigh*:rolleyes:

[imascootinspook]

Don't forget.....Hurley even mentioned the world they were living in as "heaven". Hurley looked like a lost soul while talking to Jack. I get goose bumps just thinking about that scene.

[1hourisntlongenough]

Don't forget.....Hurley even mentioned the world they were living in as "heaven". Hurley looked like a lost soul while talking to Jack. I get goose bumps just thinking about that scene.

I know!!! It was really freaky to me too!! Hurley just stared straight ahead, I don't think he ever actually made eye contact; maybe he looked in Jack's direction before he was about to walk out of the room. Strange scene...

[stargazer]

I know!!! It was really freaky to me too!! Hurley just stared straight ahead, I don't think he ever actually made eye contact; maybe he looked in Jack's direction before he was about to walk out of the room. Strange scene...
He had tears running down his cheeks. What kind of torment is he going through?!

[1hourisntlongenough]

He had tears running down his cheeks. What kind of torment is he going through?!

Yea I noticed that as well....:( I believe Hurley "knows" things. With that being said, maybe he realizes that leaving wasn't the right decision; that for some reason (one which we don't know yet) they all were to serve some greater purpose on that island. He wants back on that island, that we know.

[JezzyTheJezebel]

He had tears running down his cheeks. What kind of torment is he going through?!

I almost cried...to see Hurley, someone who is usually the one that makes you smile, crying and in so much pain wow that scene just caught me good :(

[imascootinspook]

This just popped into my head. Did anyone notice that Charlie wanted the words on the note to be said to Jack......no mention of Kate. Hmmmm.

[1hourisntlongenough]

This just popped into my head. Did anyone notice that Charlie wanted the words on the note to be said to Jack......no mention of Kate. Hmmmm.

right!! Hurley said that Charlie made him write it down so he wouldn't "mess it up" and then read Jack's name. that entire scene just weirded me out :eek:

[imascootinspook]

right!! Hurley said that Charlie made him write it down so he wouldn't "mess it up" and then read Jack's name. that entire scene just weirded me out :eek:

:eek: as you can tell.... 2 hrs later and I am still replaying that scene in my head lol.

[1hourisntlongenough]

Hahaha...I can't stop either!! And I want to!!!! ;)

[mahalo_dude]

I'm going to watch the whole thing again tomorrow morning. And then again tomorrow night. And then again Saturday...

I really feel for Hurley. His situation sucks. And he wants to tell someone something important, but nobody will believe him.

[imascootinspook]

I'm going to watch the whole thing again tomorrow morning. And then again tomorrow night. And then again Saturday...

I really feel for Hurley. His situation sucks. And he wants to tell someone something important, but nobody will believe him.

omg you may be onto something. Actually you probably are on to something.

[1hourisntlongenough]

And his choice of words was a little strange, too. When Jack asked the doc why Hurley isn't taking his meds the doc says it's because Hurley doesn't believe the doc exists. If he thought he himself was dead, wouldn't he say because he believes that he doesn't exist? Just found that strange.....

[imascootinspook]

Notice how in the past Hurley made things disappear or go away when he verbalized "that it didn't exist".....Dave, the cabin, etc.

[1hourisntlongenough]

Ahaaaaaa.....true, he did!!! See, I'm over thinking things now!!!! Brain is frying!! *sizzle sizzle*

[wvugurl]

so maybe dave/cabin and everything else really did exist and everyone has "made" him crazy by making him believe he was crazy by seeing things...

[imascootinspook]

Mine is tooo, I am seriously starting to picture Hurley as Alice in Alice in Wonderland I am signing off lol goodnight

[jackchick]

Ya, the message was definitely for Jack not for Kate. Charlie said Jack would be coming and to give him the message not to tell it to Kate. Jack isn't suppose to raise him...creepy. And even Jack doubts it because Kate needs to reassure him! I think Sawyer stayed because he "didn't have anything to go back to" and I think he keeps looking for Claire. Feels responsible for her. I just can't go for the "we're dead" thing because the writers insit it isn't a "purgatory" story. The meaning is out there....wish the writers brains weren't so bent!

[divinesynder]

Now that Jack and Kate seem to be playing "house," getting engaged and raising Aaron, I think it makes pefect sense why Charlie's message was directed at Jack.

Jack is like the father. He's actually the blood relative of Aaron. I think Jack has the influence to convince Kate that Aaron belongs with his real mother. In a way Jack is responsible for getting Aaron back to Claire being as he's the uncle. Or atleast that's what I think.

Kate calling Aaron her son and Jack telling her that she's not related to him made me think of something that was said in Eggtown. After her trial where Jack testified that Kate was a hero, Kate told Jack that he'd told that story so many times that she was starting to think he believed it.

I think that Kate has said for so long that she's Aaron's mom that she does believe it. Kate and Jack need a reality check.

[imascootinspook]

I don't think there was a Claire present when they had the opportunity to get off the island. She will either be MIA or found dead. For some reason Christian-form talked her into placing Aaron into that makeshift leaf bed to be found by Sawyer, or he overpowered Claire and put him there, either way....Christian-form wanted them seperated, but why?

[1hourisntlongenough]

True, he did lead Claire away using Aaron as bait....I'm not really sure what to make of Christian; it seems whenever he appears bad things happen.

[agmic]

True, he did lead Claire away using Aaron as bait....I'm not really sure what to make of Christian; it seems whenever he appears bad things happen.

Could Christian be smokie ? Sensing that Claire was in destress, he(smokie) wanted to help so that is why he became Christian....

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Yep, me too. Hurley was too freaky!

I think Hugo was freaking Jack out as well! Looked like he was fighting believing Hugo when he couldn't shake images of dear old dad. We should remember, however, that although Hugo's comment brought back to mind (at least my own) the Naomi scene where he hesitates, then just says,"...what?" after she said there were no survivors, and we all ran with the purgatory theory, that one really has been 99% disproven, as well as too overdone these days for the creators/writers not to come up with a better answer than that. Also, I keep reminding myself they promised everything would be explained scientifically. (Then, this a.m. while getting ready for work, I'm thinking, well parapsychology, the paranormal et al ARE considered sciences... then I really got bummed out. I'll ask my father who is a very scholarly man and might shed a little light on it, at least for me.)

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I beginning to wonder about that. So far, no one seems to be happy off the island.

although Kate didn't seem too unhappy, did she to you?

[imascootinspook]

although Kate didn't seem too unhappy, did she to you?
Right, that keeps coming to mind here too. Maybe her misery will come last, we just haven't seen it yet.

[rip-charlie]

EXACTLY!!! He said to Jack, "We're all dead....."
He hasn't been wrong very often, has he?????:eek:

i wounder if that is something They talk about ( charlie and hurley that is)

[cheapshot11b]

that was odd and then to see his dad as Charlie had said someone would be visiting him soon...

Didn't Jack see a flash of his father before going to Santa Rosa? I did not think the visit Jack was going to get was what we were shown. If Charlie's message is important enough to write down, it seems it is of major importance. Not that seeing a ghost isn't impressive or anything, but Jack has seen that before.

I'm under the influence that Jack will have contact with the visitor soon. To be visited sounds more like a conversation, than a sighting.

[1hourisntlongenough]

Didn't Jack see a flash of his father before going to Santa Rosa? I did not think the visit Jack was going to get was what we were shown. If Charlie's message is important enough to write down, it seems it is of major importance. Not that seeing a ghost isn't impressive or anything, but Jack has seen that before.

I'm under the influence that Jack will have contact with the visitor soon. To be visited sounds more like a conversation, than a sighting.

Yea I agree!!! I think we have yet to see who visits Jack...and what that person will say!!!! I would think it'd be someone who was important to him...

[cheapshot11b]

good, I was starting to think I was going all Hurley in the head!!


I started a thread on Jack's visitor, but several folks thought it was done already with Christian on the couch.


I felt like it was more of a precursor to the Visitor. It looks as though Christian might be the one, but I wouldn't doubt a bait and switch.

[1hourisntlongenough]

With this show, I've learned to EXPECT the bait and switch routine!!! ;)

[bunnydixon]

good thread!!

that scene was really disturbing in a way - it was distressing for hurley and you could see that jack just knew hurley was right but he didnt want to believe him.

maybe hurley means dead in the emotional sense rather than physical?

[cheapshot11b]

poor Hurley,

he should think back to better days. like racing his badass Trans Am thru the streets

...eating ranch dressing by the keg

...walt still owes him like $84,000

...golfing on a tropical Island

...being SANE on a tropical Island

...

[1hourisntlongenough]

good thread!!

that scene was really disturbing in a way - it was distressing for hurley and you could see that jack just knew hurley was right but he didnt want to believe him.

maybe hurley means dead in the emotional sense rather than physical?

Jack was definitely affected by what Hurley said!! He immediately turned around so not to face him anymore and that was the beginning of his emotional break down. And then instructing Hurley to "take your meds..." before he left. Just as he does; takes meds and hopes it'll all just go away!

[1hourisntlongenough]

poor Hurley,

he should think back to better days. like racing his badass Trans Am thru the streets

...eating ranch dressing by the keg

...walt still owes him like $84,000

...golfing on a tropical Island

...being SANE on a tropical Island

...

Haha!! I know, poor Hurley!! He's imprisoned by all the information he's getting through his visits with Charlie, it seems. He won't be happy til he returns back to that island.

[cheapshot11b]

Hurley has apparently come to terms with Charlie visiting him. That's what landed him at Santa Rosa in the 1st place. Is he there as part of his punishment from the court?



Before he freaked out and led the police on a tear thru LA. Now they just chill on the bench....."kind cool actually"

[danielle222]

Charlie and Hurley were always good friends. It seems Charlie is his only comfort zone. As for Hurley, he should take his meds. Maybe Charlie gave that message to Hurley for Jack because he's jealous. Charlie always loved Claire and Aaron so much.

[cheapshot11b]

Charlie and Hurley were always good friends. It seems Charlie is his only comfort zone. As for Hurley, he should take his meds. Maybe Charlie gave that message to Hurley for Jack because he's jealous. Charlie always loved Claire and Aaron so much.

Are you saying Charlie is like Dave? Dave was Hugo's coping mechanism that always told him "it's ok- just eat some taco man!"

Now Hugo uses Charlie for comfort???? ok cool



But, how did Charlie know Jack was coming???? maybe he knew not taking meds would encite a family/guardian contact and Jack was the 1.

[danielle222]

Yeah, Charlie is like Dave. But in this case I think Charlie really is a ghost, not just a figment of his imagination.

[danielle222]

Yeah, Charlie is like Dave, Hurley's comfort zone. The only thing is that I think Charlie is actually a ghost and not just a figment of his imagination. I still think he needs to take his meds, though.

[kobefan234]

does jack think that charlie is alive?

[danielle222]

I think Jack believes that Charlie is dead. Whether Jack thinks Hurley is having hallucinations because he is not taking his meds or whether he believes Charlie is really visiting from beyond is unclear. I personally think Charlie is really visiting Hurley from beyond.

[islander]

Charlie wants Hurley to go back to the island. Maybe the reason Charlie told Jack he's not supposed to raise Aaron is because Jack is supposed to go back to the island also.

[LostFreak21]

Maybe Jack's visitor will be Claire???????

[islander]

I thought Jack's visitor was Christian but I could be wrong.

[1hourisntlongenough]

Christian did visit....but I'm not convinced that he is the "visitor" Hurley warned him of. I think it'll be someone else.....just not sure who yet!

[islander]

Christian did visit....but I'm not convinced that he is the "visitor" Hurley warned him of. I think it'll be someone else.....just not sure who yet!

I was expecting Christian to tell Jack that Claire was his half sister and Aaron is half nephew, but I don't have a strong conviction on that theory.

[1hourisntlongenough]

I would have been happy for him to ANYTHING!!! Can't believe they just had him sit there, say "Jack!!", and then disappear b/c the other doc walked in!!

[denden413]

In the season 3 finale Jack in the flash forward tells the chief of surgery "to get my father down here and if he's drunker than I am, you can fire me." The chief of surgery looks at Jack like he is crazy. Jack is crazy because he actually believes that his father is alive now. Christian is the person that Charlie said would visit Jack and Jack starts taking those pills because of it, but the pills don't make his dad disappear. Christian just keeps showing up and jack gets so messed up and addicted to pills that Kate doesn't even want to see him anymore. That is why Jack has to beg her and convince her to see him at the airport. Jack also tries to kill himself in the season three finale but the island won't let him, that car crash that happened on the bridge wasn't just a coincidence. It was the island stopping Jack from offing himself.

[danielle222]

Maybe Jack's visitor will be Claire???????

Now that would be freaky. I hope Claire's not dead!

[JohnnieGo]

That was one of those things I thought maybe the writers had forgotten about. The mystic told Claire she wasn't supposed to let anyone raise her baby but her, but after the mystery of the Others came out that sort of faded into the background. (I don't believe he's a fake like he said). And I don't think Hurley is crazy either.

[stargazer]

Christian did visit....but I'm not convinced that he is the "visitor" Hurley warned him of. I think it'll be someone else.....just not sure who yet!
It was a bold statement for Hurley to make, to have it turn out to be Christian. I think the visitor is someone else.

[danielle222]

It has got to bee someone else. When Jack saw Christian, all his dad said was "Jack." That doesn't seem significant enough to be a viisit. It will be someone else.

[boutte]

They ARE all dead and their bodies are at the botom of the Sundra Trench.

The last scene of the last episode will be Jack at airport screaming "We have to go back" as Claire drives off in her car.

Oops, meant to say Kate drives off.

[danielle222]

They ARE all dead and their bodies are at the botom of the Sundra Trench.

The last scene of the last episode will be Jack at airport screaming "We have to go back" as Claire drives off in her car.

Oops, meant to say Kate drives off.

So you're with Hurley in the whole purgatory theory? They're already dead? But then how does it seem so real?

[cheapshot11b]

Jack royally screws up everything he tries to fix. He tends to start with good intentions and high hopes, however it soon unravels. Jack's parenting skills reflect his own upbringing. The men in the Sheppard family must have a few flaws in parenting abilities. Claire and noone else should raise Aaron ( no, not even Kate) Both Aaron and Walt are not being utilized right now for whatever purpose the Others wanted them for.


Walt is just living in NY. Shouldn't he be in a "school" honing his "skills"
Same for Aaron. Whatever special abilities he has are not being cultivated.


It's weird that Charlie's message to Jack was about Aaron. After being so close to Aaron and Claire for so long on the Island, he is still in volved with Aaron's wellbeing. Is Charlie jealous because he thinks it was his job to raise Aaron? Or could he be looking out for everyone's best interest. Why is Hurley part of relaying the message? Why couldn't Charlie go straight to Jack? (especially if Charlie knows a Visitor is coming Jacks' way.)


Did Charlie obtain heightened position by dying in service to the Island? ( Ben said all his people were prepared to do so. Is there a reward for that?---like a 72 virgins kind of thing??) Maybe once you bite the dust on the Island you gain powerful knowledge and insight somehow. Look at Horace. He went from working for Dharma to cutting wood for Jacob. The former being an important job 'saving the world'. The latter being an equally important one. (maybe?? )

[ai2301]

So you're with Hurley in the whole purgatory theory? They're already dead? But then how does it seem so real?

The writers have debukked this some time ago. They are alive and they are/were on the island.
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[Jasonater]

He had tears running down his cheeks. What kind of torment is he going through?!--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mine is tooo, I am seriously starting to picture Hurley as Alice in Alice in Wonderland

The consumption of the cake makes Alice grow to be 9 feet tall. She cries, creating a pool of tears

[werlost]

It reminded me of the ep in season 1 when Claire went to the psychic and he told her [U]she[U] had to raise Aaron. I think that Charlie via Hurley said that because of that. Also, I think it is interesting that Miles is the one who supposedly saw Christian when Claire disappeared. Does this mean that Christian is alive or that Miles saw him because of his "I see dead people" talent.

[XmasDVD]

It was a bold statement for Hurley to make, to have it turn out to be Christian. I think the visitor is someone else.

..and we're all assuming the visitor will be dead -maybe it's a living visitor.

[Turnip Queen]

This was definitely the most important part of that episode - why should Jack not raise Aaron? The note didn't mention Kate. And what's the deal with dead people visiting them? Christian Shepard has visited both Jack and Claire on the island. But Charlie has only visited Hurley off the island. Why does Christian Shepard keep wandering around? What the hell is going on there?
Will we see Claire again this season, or is that the last of her for now since she's abandoned Aaron? It seems that way to me, that Sawyer somehow brings Aaron to Kate.
Is Jack not supposed to raise Aaron because Claire is still alive and according to the psychic only she is supposed to raise him? Or is it for another reason? And why would Christian Shepard lead her into the jungle like that, while she leaves her baby behind? She can't be in a right state of mind if she leaves her baby behind. Is he leading her to the cabin? Where could he be leading her? It's so weird!

[danielle222]

Claire did seem to be a little out of her mind and she was stumbling around and stuff. I said this in an earlier post, but why would Claire suddenly trust Christian when she barely knew him? Very strange, indeed. :confused:

[1hourisntlongenough]

Claire did seem to be a little out of her mind and she was stumbling around and stuff. I said this in an earlier post, but why would Claire suddenly trust Christian when she barely knew him? Very strange, indeed. :confused:

Not just did she barely know him, but she barely could tolerate him!! She made it clear she wanted nothing to do with him last she spoke to him, right?
Also, she is a very protective mom to Aaron....very choosy with whom she lets even hold him. Seems very strange that she'd be fine with just placing him in some leafy bush plant and walking off with "dear old Dad"....and nobody tending to Aaron. Something's definitely off there!!!

[danielle222]

Yeah, it's like she was under hypnosis or something. That creepy little Miles should have stopped her.

[lost74354]

Claire did seem to be a little out of her mind and she was stumbling around and stuff. I said this in an earlier post, but why would Claire suddenly trust Christian when she barely knew him? Very strange, indeed. :confused:

If I saw my father holding my child, I think I would follow him. I mean wouldn't you want to know how he got there and how he found you..

[1hourisntlongenough]

If I saw my father holding my child, I think I would follow him. I mean wouldn't you want to know how he got there and how he found you..

yea, probably....but not sure I'd leave my baby behind (especially with all the events that had just unfolded)....just saying that it's uncharacteristic of Claire, and something doesn't seem right.

[danielle222]

If I saw my father holding my child, I think I would follow him. I mean wouldn't you want to know how he got there and how he found you..

If I saw my father holding my child (which he does all the time), yeah I wouldn't be concerned. But he's been my father all 29 years of my life. Claire only met him once. It wasn't like he was her father, more like a sperm donor. :(

[IgnitedBatCrap]

There sure are a lot of dead people running around. What if the reference to Aaron is a red herring. How about, instead: "You aren't supposed to raise him from the dead, Jack".

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Hey Hurley.
Hey Jack.
Why aren't you taking your meds?
Because we're dead, all of us, all the Oceanic six, we're all dead. We never got off that island.
Hurley, that is not true.
What'd you do today?
What did I do today? I, uh, I woke up, took a shower, Kate and I fed the baby.
I thought you didn't want anything to do with Aaron.
I changed my mind after the trial.
In love with Kate, taking care of Aaron, it all seems so perfect, just like Heaven.
Just because I'm happy doesn't mean that this isn't real Hurley.
I was happy too Jack, awhile anyway, then I saw Charlie. He likes to sit with me on the bench out in the front lawn. Pretty cool, actually.
OK, so what do the two of you talk about?
Well, yesterday he told me you were going to be coming by. He wanted me to give you a message.
A message?
He made me write it down so I wouldn't mess it up. "You're not supposed to raise him Jack". Does that make any sense?
No, that doesn't make any sense.
Do you think he means Aaron?
Take your meds, Hurley, just take em.
Hey Jack, Charlie said someone's going to be visiting you too, soon.
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-IgnitedBatCrap

[boutte]

So you're with Hurley in the whole purgatory theory? They're already dead? But then how does it seem so real?

No, not purgatory. Maybe some kind of alternate timeline or something. Think about the whole idea of digging up 324 bodies from a cemetary. And even if you did how do you keep it a secret and what cemetary is going to have that many fresh bodies?

[danielle222]

Fresh or not. Dead is dead.

[landothelost]

OMG!!!! Chills all over my body!!!!!:eek: That was sooo freaky!!!!
Remember back in season 1 or 2, I don't remember which. When someone told Claire not to let them take your baby. I've always assumed they meant the others. Maybe they were talking about the Oceanic Six.

[cheapshot11b]

There sure are a lot of dead people running around. What if the reference to Aaron is a red herring. How about, instead: "You aren't supposed to raise him from the dead, Jack".

-IgnitedBatCrap

when has jack done that???

or what would make jack able to so something like that?

[ai2301]

If I saw my father holding my child, I think I would follow him. I mean wouldn't you want to know how he got there and how he found you..

I would probably wake Sawyer up because something isn't right if'n my estranged father mysteriously appeared on a freak of an island that I happened to be stranded on.

Of course we don't know what condition she was in and what 'Christian' said to her either. If he said "be quiet and follow me or I'm going to eat your baby" then I might just follow him.
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[danielle222]

Eat your baby? Now I don't even think the Lost writers are that twisted. ;)

[Turnip Queen]

Also, if Kate promised Sawyer she'd do something for him, then why is Jack going so crazy about it? If I stayed on the island I'd ask one of the Oceanic 6 to tell the people I love I'm still alive etc, and if I was one of the Oceanic 6 I'd feel like it was the least I could do - Jack needs to calm down!

[1hourisntlongenough]

Also, if Kate promised Sawyer she'd do something for him, then why is Jack going so crazy about it? If I stayed on the island I'd ask one of the Oceanic 6 to tell the people I love I'm still alive etc, and if I was one of the Oceanic 6 I'd feel like it was the least I could do - Jack needs to calm down!

He's so insecure!!! HOTT.....but insecure:p

[iggyjeckel]

ok how about this for a thought. its not suppose to be jack who raises aaron its suppose to be kate and sawyer. after clair disappeared sawyer started to take care of him. when it comes down to getting off the island something happens and jack makes it off instead. also the more and more times I say 'your not suppose to raise him jack' to myself I don't see charlie saying it. it sounds more like something locke would say. but that's just in my own oppinion

[1hourisntlongenough]

ok how about this for a thought. its not suppose to be jack who raises aaron its suppose to be kate and sawyer. after clair disappeared sawyer started to take care of him. when it comes down to getting off the island something happens and jack makes it off instead. also the more and more times I say 'your not suppose to raise him jack' to myself I don't see charlie saying it. it sounds more like something locke would say. but that's just in my own oppinion

Do you mean that maybe it wasn't Jack who was supposed to leave, but Sawyer instead??

[iggyjeckel]

yes and jack realizes it later that's why jack wants to go back to the island and kate said 'he doesn't want to see you' (airport scene FF) maybe she was talking about sawyer not wanting to see jack

[JASYMORRI]

Do you mean that maybe it wasn't Jack who was supposed to leave, but Sawyer instead??

Was it not worded though like Sawyer DECIDED not to leave to island? He did hint in various convo's that there was nothing back in the normal world for him. Why on earth he would stay and let Kate go is something I can't wait to find out - crazy fool :) As long as he lives thats the main thing, I like Sawyer esp after the last one with the protective side towards Clare & Hurley and the obvious warning to Locke about harm coming to Hurley.

[1hourisntlongenough]

Was it not worded though like Sawyer DECIDED not to leave to island? He did hint in various convo's that there was nothing back in the normal world for him. Why on earth he would stay and let Kate go is something I can't wait to find out - crazy fool :) As long as he lives thats the main thing, I like Sawyer esp after the last one with the protective side towards Clare & Hurley and the obvious warning to Locke about harm coming to Hurley.

Yea Jack for sure worded it that way...but I meant it like maybe the island/Jacob meant for Jack to stay and Sawyer help Kate raise Aaron....

[JASYMORRI]

Yea Jack for sure worded it that way...but I meant it like maybe the island/Jacob meant for Jack to stay and Sawyer help Kate raise Aaron....

Yeah or possibly Jack being the better person with more to offer to life (job for example) was always going be one allowed to leave if such things decided it. Just yet another good example of the brilliant scripts in Lost and the many twists and turns

[iggyjeckel]

exactly. as much as I love the kate/jack combo the kate/sawyer just seemed more...pure? and why did the island or clair leave the baby there...maybe because they wanted sawyer to find and raise him

[ai2301]

Also, if Kate promised Sawyer she'd do something for him, then why is Jack going so crazy about it? If I stayed on the island I'd ask one of the Oceanic 6 to tell the people I love I'm still alive etc, and if I was one of the Oceanic 6 I'd feel like it was the least I could do - Jack needs to calm down!

On the other hand if it was as simple as that you'd think Kate could just tell him. But of course for it to be dramaful (read: lame as h*ll) they'd have to have Jack get upset over it.

Who knows, there's probably more of the Kate/Sawyer story to be told so perhaps he has a good reason to freak out.
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[danielle222]

When Jack told Kate that Aaron wasn't even related to her and then Aaron came walking out... do you think Aaron understood what Jack was saying? Or is he too young to know that Kate and Jack are not his real parents?

[IgnitedBatCrap]

when has jack done that???

or what would make jack able to so something like that?

There's a lot of dual meanings in this story and maybe that's not the case for this scene, but you have to admit it's weird at best. Not only did the writers not explicitely specify Aaron they had Hurley ask Jack whether that's what Charlie meant.

And let's not get started on what's been done and who's able to do what. I think the story thus far has illustrated well enough that with flash backs and flash forwards you can't predict the story's stream of events.

Now do I really think Jack can raise someone back to the living at some later point in the story? How the heck would I know, I'm only indicating some some really odd dialog, coupled with the fact that some of the dead have been shown to be walking.

All that said, I don't seriously have any convictions as to the outcome whatsoever, which is the only reason why I'm watching it.

-IgnitiedBatCrap

[boutte]

Is Hurley's message the reason that Kate and he are not together? And did he do something to make Aaron not want to see him? It seems like you can pretty much count on Jack to handle any situation badly. The guy is SO disfunctional!

[cheapshot11b]

There's a lot of dual meanings in this story and maybe that's not the case for this scene, but you have to admit it's weird at best. Not only did the writers not explicitely specify Aaron they had Hurley ask Jack whether that's what Charlie meant.

And let's not get started on what's been done and who's able to do what. I think the story thus far has illustrated well enough that with flash backs and flash forwards you can't predict the story's stream of events.

Now do I really think Jack can raise someone back to the living at some later point in the story? How the heck would I know, I'm only indicating some some really odd dialog, coupled with the fact that some of the dead have been shown to be walking.

All that said, I don't seriously have any convictions as to the outcome whatsoever, which is the only reason why I'm watching it.

-IgnitiedBatCrap

IBC-

As a doctor, I think Jack could "bring someone back to life" . Raising someone from the dead to me seems more like when you've been dead for 12 years or something. You're right, both are possible on the Island. "Living Dead" have an odd part with the show thus far...

[ConfidenceMan]

Can you say "dead horse"?

[cheapshot11b]

Can you say "dead horse"?

no but i have a picture of one.

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[goinwitheflo]

Can you say "dead horse"?
lets not bring the Kuntucky Derby into this descussion

[danielle222]

no but i have a picture of one.

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That's terrible! :mad:

[Workman]

Do I get anything for being the 100th post on this thread????

[goinwitheflo]

Do I get anything for being the 100th post on this thread????
a Dharma beer. lol

[Workman]

a Dharma beer. lol

I'lllllllll take it!!! Do you think Dharma makes an IPA?

[cheapshot11b]

That's terrible! :mad:

you may not recognize the guys from the movie "Office Space". the scene where they beat the printer/copier to pieces...

the horse was photoshopped in place of that.

[Workman]

That's terrible! :mad:

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta...

[ConfidenceMan]

Actually you were number 101. Danielle222 was 100.

[1hourisntlongenough]

Actually you were number 101. Danielle222 was 100.

*takes Dharma Beer out of Workman's hands and gives it to Danielle222*

[Workman]

Actually you were number 101. Danielle222 was 100.

I was just going by what the main Season 4 page was counting...But if you went through and counted them all then..........wow...........you need a dharma beer.

[Workman]

Ahhh.....I was the 100th reply not post. Still........beer me.

[danielle222]

*takes Dharma Beer out of Workman's hands and gives it to Danielle222*

Actually you were number 101. Danielle222 was 100.

Thanks for the beer! I'll cheers to that!

[IgnitedBatCrap]

I bet we find out tonight whether "you're not supposed to raise him" refers to Aaron.

[boutte]

When Hurley mentioned heaven it reminded me of the scene in Jacobs Ladder where the chiropractor told the Tim Robbins character that the demons we see are really angels trying to help us but he was seeing demons because he didn't want to accept what they were trying tell him. Maybe the Island really is paradise.

[the ghost of others past]

I don't think there was a Claire present when they had the opportunity to get off the island. She will either be MIA or found dead. For some reason Christian-form talked her into placing Aaron into that makeshift leaf bed to be found by Sawyer, or he overpowered Claire and put him there, either way....Christian-form wanted them seperated, but why?

I think he did it as a way to get Jack back to the island. Especially knowing that he has a lot of influence over the other Oceanic 6. He knows Jack wants to leave more than anything and is stubborn, so he has to let him leave, but not without a way of bringing him back.

He (Christian) says to John when he asks where Aaron is that he (Aaron) is where he's supposed to be right now. I think he knows taking Aaron back to Claire is the only way to get him (and the other 5 through him) to come back.

[beachblinkette]

When Hurley mentioned heaven it reminded me of the scene in Jacobs Ladder where the chiropractor told the Tim Robbins character that the demons we see are really angels trying to help us but he was seeing demons because he didn't want to accept what they were trying tell him. Maybe the Island really is paradise.

Re:paradise
boutte, found this quote today by Proust:

True Paradise is the one you've lost. Thought it was interesting!

[IgnitedBatCrap]

I bet we find out tonight whether "you're not supposed to raise him" refers to Aaron.

I expect it refers to John.