I think I got it

[Archangel-Player]

On the blast door map in the Swan you see Cerberus which is a name used many times on the blast door map (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Blast_door_map). It was revealed by Carlton Cuse (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse) and Damon Lindelof (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Damon_Lindelof) as being another name for the Monster (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Monster) at Comic Con 2007 (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Comic_conventions_transcript/Comic_Con_2007)'s Lost (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Cerberus#) panel. Cuse said that Cerberus was one of the Monster's names, and Lindelof confirmed that both Radzinsky (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Radzinsky) and Kelvin (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Kelvin) referred to the Monster as Cerberus, and suggested that Cerberus (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Cerberus#) "might have just been the DHARMA Initiative (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative)'s name" for the Monster. In the Swan in the orintation film. Dr. Candle tells us about an "insdent". I think that at one time Cerberus had a "malfunction" or someone caused it to malfunction and I belive it did exactly what it did at the barracks the other night reak havock on all of the Dharma initiative. Which explains why the sonor fence was desighned it was their way of protecting them selves from Cerberus. Ben may have just did that set a course for Cerberus and since it's a security device or once was. It's desighned was to destroy anything that it came across. because it saw it as a threat. I think the reason Ben knows how to work Cerberus is because he was the one who possabily caused the "incdent" so many yrs back.

However I think since Cerberus since being loose has adapted some new abilities thanks to the island. Like to possabily morph into people and we know he can scane your memories which makes sense for a security natured creature to beable to scane it's targets. It now has free will and it doesn't quite yet understand how to use it's free will or understand it's new found emotions.

[Patchouli Princess]

I'm not really feeling the idea that the smoke monster has feelings related to the malfunction. The cause-and-effect seem off in that reasoning because if Ben caused the manfunction and the malfunction caused the monster's ability to feel things and take on identities, then how could Ben have seen his mother through the fence?

I think you're possibly right about a younger Ben causing the "incident," though. It would make sense that he doesn't fear an "incident" but instead feels he can control the monster if he caused the initial incident.

What I don't get regarding the monster, and I may have missed an important DUH moment in the series, but at what point did everyone start running into the jungle without fearing the smoke monster? That whole first and maybe second season, no one could venture into the trees without fearing the monster. Then as the plot called for people to run around in the trees more often, the smoke monster stopped being a threat. What gives?

[GodlessM]

Ben didn't cause the incident.

We already know that the incident happened as the Dharma started
digging into the island. They accidently released the electromagnetism
that was contained within the core of the island, and so built the Swan
station above and around it to contain and control it, aswell as study it.
This has all been confirmed.

The Cerberus information has been out there for ages now. The Cerberus
Vents have been revealed as underground passages by which Smokey moves around. Its possible it was a CV Smokey tried to drag Locke into in Exodus.

There is a mention also on the Blast Door map of a major malfunction in
the Cerberus system. This implies that Smokey is or once was at least part
machine and something went wrong. This may be the origin of the Smokey
we know today. Though there have now been hints that it goes back to
the ancient civilisation of the island. However, there is nothing saying the
Dharma created the Cerberus system, so they may have just studied, and
exploited something created hundreds or thousands of years before.

Smokey now seems more connected to Jacob, having similar power and
seen in his cabin in the guise of Christian Shepherd. We know it may be
able to be summoned, but control seems beyond mortal capability. We know
it can read memories, copy visuals, reproduce sounds, and even kill as
if it were a large bestial giant or something.

There is obviously alot more to Smokey that we havent seen yet, so lets
hope we find out more next week in Cabin Fever.

[beachblinkette]

Is Cabin Fever the next epi's code name for an extremely hot taxi? Did anyone figure out the donkey wheel of fortune code name for one of the episodes? Just wo/andering off topic.

[beachblinkette]

ArchangelPlayer, The Cerberus info is really interesting. I like your idea of it being able to scan its victims-that explains the way it studied Ecko and the time it took to do it. That seems like a very astute observation/idea! I'm not as clear on the other parts of the profile. But you've added some very keen items here. Thanks! I think we'll all have achieved genius status when we finish this series. I hope Carlton will be personally handing out our Big Foot statue awards: The Footsies.

[Archangel-Player]

1) I never said Ben caused the malfunction. I said SOMEONE MAY HAVE caused the incident. But I defantly at this point anyhow think Smokey was somehow part of the security system. I never said Dharma created Smokey. I just said he was the security system as stated threw out LOST.


2) When I said "Ben may have just did that" i was refearing to when Ben whent into his secret room and did something to call the smoke monster. He either programed a course or did some type of ritual, etc

3) "We already know that the incident happened as the Dharma started
digging into the island. They accidently released the electromagnetism
that was contained within the core of the island, and so built the Swan
station above and around it to contain and control it, aswell as study it.
This has all been confirmed."

It hasn't been confirmed yet in LOSt about the origen of the incident. As of right now It is unknown exactly what caused the incident to occur, or what kind of damage it caused.


It has however been confirmed

The incident resulted in the creation of a protocol (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Push_the_button) that required a code (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Numbers) to be entered every 108 (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/108) minutes. The incident involved a leak in the containment associated with an electromagnetic anomaly (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Electromagnetism). The leak caused an unspecified charge to build up within the anomaly. As the charge built up, the magnetic field associated with the anomaly grew. After 108 minutes, the magnetic field is large enough to damage the Swan station. This incident had to have occurred before 1980 (the production date of the film).

Also

The protocol was created so that the magnetic anomaly could be discharged every 108 minutes, thus preventing a electromagnetic catastrophe. Failure to comply with this protocol leads to a system failure (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/System_failure). There is a failsafe (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Fail_Safe) mechanism in place below the floor of the computer room (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Incident#) that will destroy the Swan and permanantly and safely seal the electromagnetic anomaly. <SMALL UDX7T="0" RTuCc="2">("Live Together, Die Alone (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Live_Together%2C_Die_Alone)")</SMALL>


4)"The Cerberus information has been out there for ages now. The Cerberus
Vents have been revealed as underground passages by which Smokey moves around. Its possible it was a CV Smokey tried to drag Locke into in Exodus."

I can agree with this. It has been proven threw out the show that Smokey travels under ground as well as upground. Because when he is summuned by Ben the ground shakes like a quake and Smokey appears. And yes we did see Smokey attempt to drag Locke into a large hole which can be a desnated vent stated on the blast door.


5) I don't belive Dharma or anyone created Smokey. I do belive however that Dharma figured out how to harness Smokey an duse him or his power to their advantage by means of an electronic security system. thuss all the mechical sounds Smokey makes.


6) As you I belive Smokey dates back to ancient civilisation times of the island.


7) The producers have said we have only seen part of the smoke "monster" and not the full "monster" So it's possable that Smokey and Jacob are the same or a part of each other. kinda like the Trinity are one God all seprate parts. Ben saying Jacob will explain the Smoke monster kinda hints to me that they are connected in some way.

8) I don't think the guise of Christian Shepherd was Smokey. I think it was Jacob. Like I said before. Jacob and Smokey share some of the same powers. But Perhaps they arn't on the same side. like the theam has gone white side of the coin vs the black side of the coin.

[GodlessM]

No the what happened exactly with the incident was confirmed.
It was either part of Find815 or The LOst Experience, I cant
remember which but I'll go find out later.

And the writers confirmed before in podcast that Christian was
a manifestation of Smokey and that the eye in the cabin with
Christian that came to the window was Jacob.

[GodlessM]

Btw dude, no offense or anything, but if you are going to copy
and paste information from Lostpedia, at least put it in quotes and
give your source instead of taking credit for it. Its word for word.

[Archangel-Player]

I didn't say I wrote the information nore did I say hey I wrote the book on this. I pasted it because I agreed with it. Just as you didn't think up the information you gave. You need to give the credit and source before you go off about someone else writing stuff. Im still waiting for your source that "confirmed" the incident and about Smokey being Christian in the cabin. Like pages. videos,etc.

[Archangel-Player]

It`s funny to read post from way back when and see you where almost right in your theory.

1) I was right when I said Smokey was connected with A group. At the tim I thoughtnit to be the DI. But recently it was revealed he favors the hostiles more. Ex. Smokie being the judge and excutiner and his favor to Richard.

I`ll post more later :-) by for now.

[losttime]

Ben didn't cause the incident.

We already know that the incident happened as the Dharma started
digging into the island. They accidently released the electromagnetism
that was contained within the core of the island, and so built the Swan
station above and around it to contain and control it, aswell as study it.
This has all been confirmed.

The Cerberus information has been out there for ages now. The Cerberus
Vents have been revealed as underground passages by which Smokey moves around. Its possible it was a CV Smokey tried to drag Locke into in Exodus.

There is a mention also on the Blast Door map of a major malfunction in
the Cerberus system. This implies that Smokey is or once was at least part
machine and something went wrong. This may be the origin of the Smokey
we know today. Though there have now been hints that it goes back to
the ancient civilisation of the island. However, there is nothing saying the
Dharma created the Cerberus system, so they may have just studied, and
exploited something created hundreds or thousands of years before.

Smokey now seems more connected to Jacob, having similar power and
seen in his cabin in the guise of Christian Shepherd. We know it may be
able to be summoned, but control seems beyond mortal capability. We know
it can read memories, copy visuals, reproduce sounds, and even kill as
if it were a large bestial giant or something.

There is obviously alot more to Smokey that we havent seen yet, so lets
hope we find out more next week in Cabin Fever.

The Swan station wasnt built because of the "incident". We already saw Radzinky building the housing where the computer was in the Swan so how could it be built for the so-called "incident" I think it might have changed the purpose of the Swan station but it wasnt built because of the "incident". Where was this confirmed that the Swan station was built because of the incident?

[notsolost42]

The Swan station wasnt built because of the "incident". We already saw Radzinky building the housing where the computer was in the Swan so how could it be built for the so-called "incident" I think it might have changed the purpose of the Swan station but it wasnt built because of the "incident". Where was this confirmed that the Swan station was built because of the incident?

The Swan was built for scientific experimentation with the islands EM anomoly. The incident room is where it all happens. It is the area that is covered in thick concrete. The wall that is so electromagnetic that Jack's key necklace stood straight out towards it as he passed. The incident occured when the DI was exploring the electromagnetic anomoly of the island. That is pretty clear in Chang's Swan Orientation video and he clearly states that the protocol was put into effect after the incident to prevent another from occuring. Didn't it appear to you that Chang and his wife and baby were living in the Swan in the beginning of the season? He went to the same stero, the bookshelves looked the same, etc. I think that they were living there as it was made as living quarters. If they were messing with cold fusion, using the EM and the heavy hydrogen from Jughead they could have opened a portal into time. Perhaps the let someone in from the future. That is why the protocol changed for the Swan.

[Lost in Lost]

The Swan was built for scientific experimentation with the islands EM anomoly. The incident room is where it all happens. It is the area that is covered in thick concrete. The wall that is so electromagnetic that Jack's key necklace stood straight out towards it as he passed. The incident occured when the DI was exploring the electromagnetic anomoly of the island. That is pretty clear in Chang's Swan Orientation video and he clearly states that the protocol was put into effect after the incident to prevent another from occuring. Didn't it appear to you that Chang and his wife and baby were living in the Swan in the beginning of the season? He went to the same stero, the bookshelves looked the same, etc. I think that they were living there as it was made as living quarters. If they were messing with cold fusion, using the EM and the heavy hydrogen from Jughead they could have opened a portal into time. Perhaps the let someone in from the future. That is why the protocol changed for the Swan.

i.e., Faraday? Interesting

[jessejames]

Maybe the swan imploded like with desmond

[losttime]

The Swan was built for scientific experimentation with the islands EM anomoly. The incident room is where it all happens. It is the area that is covered in thick concrete. The wall that is so electromagnetic that Jack's key necklace stood straight out towards it as he passed. The incident occured when the DI was exploring the electromagnetic anomoly of the island. That is pretty clear in Chang's Swan Orientation video and he clearly states that the protocol was put into effect after the incident to prevent another from occuring. Didn't it appear to you that Chang and his wife and baby were living in the Swan in the beginning of the season? He went to the same stero, the bookshelves looked the same, etc. I think that they were living there as it was made as living quarters. If they were messing with cold fusion, using the EM and the heavy hydrogen from Jughead they could have opened a portal into time. Perhaps the let someone in from the future. That is why the protocol changed for the Swan.

I dont get your point? I was commenting on the fact that the person made the comment that the Swan was built because of the "incident" which is not true. Razinki was designing that room where the computer was before the "incident" occured. What they did caused the "incident" but not the reason for the station being built. We saw them building the Swan in the last episode "Some Like it Hoth" but the "incident hasnt occured yet.

[notsolost42]

I dont get your point? I was commenting on the fact that the person made the comment that the Swan was built because of the "incident" which is not true. Razinki was designing that room where the computer was before the "incident" occured. What they did caused the "incident" but not the reason for the station being built. We saw them building the Swan in the last episode "Some Like it Hoth" but the "incident hasnt occured yet.

I think in certain cultures it is referred to as AGREEING!!!! Geeezzz....

[losttime]

I think in certain cultures it is referred to as AGREEING!!!! Geeezzz....

i think in most cultures you are the most annoying person ever. It doesnt sound like you were agreeing with me at all. I really think you are so lost. Change your name please.

[notsolost42]

i think in most cultures you are the most annoying person ever. It doesnt sound like you were agreeing with me at all. I really think you are so lost. Change your name please.

Wow! So you actually continue to argue with someone that was agreeing with you? What can I say? I am at a loss for words. A first! lol.

[headscratch]

:eek:...Perhaps a better tact is in order with the two of you.

Can you two think of better ways in which you could have stated how you feel? :confused:

Neither of you are playing nice in the sandbox and both could have approached this issue much better IMHO. C'mom guys...this is supposed to be be fun! Perhaps best that you simply both apologize. :cool:

[t33h33]

:eek:...Perhaps a better tact is in order with the two of you.

Can you two think of better ways in which you could have stated how you feel? :confused:

Neither of you are playing nice in the sandbox and both could have approached this issue much better IMHO. C'mom guys...this is supposed to be be fun! Perhaps best that you simply both apologize. :cool:

I know as much as we all love and take it super srs just chill out, feel the love people!!!!

[lostie108]

you know what cracks me up is if it were me bickering back and forth i would probably be put in time out . but because of who it is that is being sarcastic and non tactful it is ok . watch out all of my fellow losties there is a double edge sword on this forum and if you cross the wrong people now there are repercussions . just wanted to warn both of you before you recieve an infraction for your rude behavior . i personally dont care say what you feel and move on . and let it be . now that i have been called out for apparently being rude i feel it is my sworn duty to make the real losties safe on this forum from the evil others .