Theory on Jacob

[navyguy]

I had an awesome thought. I saw the new ep.2 clip where John is bringing the group to the cabin and said that Walt told him. Also thinking about the various manifestations seen on the island in the past. I think Jacob isn't really an actual "entity" but a special spirit that manifests itself as a specific person to whomever it comes into contact with. Jacob could have been somebody very influential that Ben met when he first left Dharma and that is whom the spirit manifests itself to Ben. I could very well be wrong, and would love it if I could get other's opinions on this matter.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Interesting, so are u saying that depending on who sees "the Jacob/vision" it changes accordingly, to fit everyones persona, such as Locke seeing one person or Hurley seeing Charlie after he passed?

[navyguy]

Interesting, so are u saying that depending on who sees "the Jacob/vision" it changes accordingly, to fit everyones persona, such as Locke seeing one person or Hurley seeing Charlie after he passed?

yes that is correct. "the Jacob/vision" changes depending on the person.

[Swerve]

its interesting but how would that account for hurleys experience in 4x01 where he sees a man hes never met, Christian Sheperd, sitting at a table and then Jacob in the same form as he appeared to Locke looked at him? Plus though the spirit theory is a good idea, i don't think it is person dependant, as in the new clip i think youre referring to, Locke is leading to where Ben led him before, where the cabin supposedly is. While hurley points in the direction of where he saw it.

What do you think? Its a nice idea, it ties with a big post i just made about the idea that the smoke monster could present itself in a similar fashion, only like i said how do we account for the fact that all 3 men saw the same cabin and we know at least 2 out of 3 have seen the same jacob?

is it because there all special including walt? kind of like the apostles?

[LostByLostWest]

I believe "Jacob" is an entity that has evolved with the Island throughout the years of it's existence. A unique island with unique properties (i.e. special metals, magnetic anomolies, etc.) that resulted through it's geological creation. A geological and physical anomaly. "Jacob"/the entity following the fundamental premise that all living things strive to adapt and survive, has done just that. He began as a basic conscious life form (or life force if you will) observing and consuming all the early life forms on the island in it's early existence, i.e. birds, small animals, insects, etc. By consuming I mean it sucked up each dying organism's life force, it's soul so to speak. After the island's first human inhabitants arrived to the island by accident (the wreckage of the Black Rock?), "Jacob" encountered humans for the very first time. It observed and learned the Human way, but most importantly it learned that the Human life force was far and away the most powerful energy that he could possibly absorb. And because of the "faith" that humans put into any religion that they may choose to practice, "Jacob" became familiar with the concept of God and wanted to in fact be a God. "Jacob's" ultimate prey had been established...Humans! He learned to manipulate and evolved into a master hunter...taking lives to streignthen his own life force to eventually become the ultimate being!! Jacob, after all in biblical terms is the deceiver. That's my thoughts on what Jacob is and what is going on here in the island. Of course, I'm painting it witha large brush and there are many details that can definitely be plugged in. Sorry for the long post.

[navyguy]

its interesting but how would that account for hurleys experience in 4x01 where he sees a man hes never met, Christian Sheperd, sitting at a table and then Jacob in the same form as he appeared to Locke looked at him? Plus though the spirit theory is a good idea, i don't think it is person dependant, as in the new clip i think youre referring to, Locke is leading to where Ben led him before, where the cabin supposedly is. While hurley points in the direction of where he saw it.

What do you think? Its a nice idea, it ties with a big post i just made about the idea that the smoke monster could present itself in a similar fashion, only like i said how do we account for the fact that all 3 men saw the same cabin and we know at least 2 out of 3 have seen the same jacob?

is it because there all special including walt? kind of like the apostles?

Ok, here is what i was going to explain but couldn't find the words, but now i can with what you brought up. In MBTC John Locke saw how "Jacob" was manifested to Ben. Like i mean lets make an example here. You and I are around the manifestation BUT we both see 1 persona, not 2 different things at the same time.

[suzisunshine1]

LostbyLostWest: great ideas. My questions is this: why would Jacob only soak in the accidental arrivals to the island and not everyone on the island? We certainly know that there are women who have died on the island after they became pregnant. Why would Jacob not go after them? or those who died in the perge?

[john]

I agree i dont think he is relly there

[LostByLostWest]

Thanks suzisunshine1. I do think that all the people who have died on the island have gotten their life force/souls absorbed by "Jacob". It's just unknown how much is needed for Jacob to reach his God-like state. I believe Jacob manipulated Ben to eventually kill all the Dharma people. "Jacob" only allowed the Dharma people there for so long so he could further study his prey. I also think the reason for the inability to give birth on the island is part of "Jacob's" plan. Duality seems to be a big part of the show (good vs. bad, through the looking glass/opposites, etc.) and death vs. birth is no different. Since death enables "Jacob" to become stronger (through absorbtion of souls), then birth weakens him through the giving of life/souls to another. Obviously, "Jacob" doesn't want this so he does not allow it. Ben realized "Jacob's" true agenda so he started to deviate from "Jacob's" plans. Jacob is infuriated with Ben so he's trying to phase him out (through Locke) and by manipulating the others that Ben once led. Also, why is it that Ben wasn't able to be cured of his sickness/ailment (cancer) like every other person on the islan? He needed Jack's help to heal.

[beachblinkette]

I believe "Jacob" is an entity that has evolved with the Island throughout the years of it's existence. A unique island with unique properties (i.e. special metals, magnetic anomolies, etc.) that resulted through it's geological creation. A geological and physical anomaly. "Jacob"/the entity following the fundamental premise that all living things strive to adapt and survive, has done just that. He began as a basic conscious life form (or life force if you will) observing and consuming all the early life forms on the island in it's early existence, i.e. birds, small animals, insects, etc. By consuming I mean it sucked up each dying organism's life force, it's soul so to speak. After the island's first human inhabitants arrived to the island by accident (the wreckage of the Black Rock?), "Jacob" encountered humans for the very first time. It observed and learned the Human way, but most importantly it learned that the Human life force was far and away the most powerful energy that he could possibly absorb. And because of the "faith" that humans put into any religion that they may choose to practice, "Jacob" became familiar with the concept of God and wanted to in fact be a God. "Jacob's" ultimate prey had been established...Humans! He learned to manipulate and evolved into a master hunter...taking lives to streignthen his own life force to eventually become the ultimate being!! Jacob, after all in biblical terms is the deceiver. That's my thoughts on what Jacob is and what is going on here in the island. Of course, I'm painting it witha large brush and there are many details that can definitely be plugged in. Sorry for the long post.
Brilliant theory since we really don't know for sure. Amazing ideas!

[cynotgirl]

that would explain why Yemi said to Eko "you talk as if I'm you're brother" before eko died....

[imascootinspook]

Ok, the only thing I dont get is....Why did Jacob tell Locke to ' Help him ', and only Locke heard and not Ben? Also, Ben did not seem genuinely surprised that Jacob said something and he ( Ben ) could not hear it but only Locke.

[hollie425]

yea i dont think that jacob is real either, but to those who are special enough can see him, or hear him.

[burritobear512]

just going to put this out there although i'm not sure of it

i saw a video blog post on this topic and the blogger said that he thinks that Jacob is jack in the future. bear with me! he said that when jack gets off the island and is so desperate to get back, he eventually does get back or something and becomes jacob. i guess with him telling locke to 'help him' or whatever is supposed to be future jack, i.e. jacob, trying to change the outcome so that they all stay on the island. this is why locke and jack are leading people 2 separate ways

far fetched but it does make some sense