Ben Has Been Off Island!

[navyguy]

How Else Could They Have An Adult Picture Of Ben?

[Ezekiel 25:17]

They said b4 that ben was in on alot of secret operations or somthing, all around the world. He obviously had to go off, he had the sub and all. He had to recruit people to come on the island and all. Had to have been off at some point. Wonder who the guy ben said he "had from their boat"?

[navyguy]

Seems to me like Ben had a spy, and the spy's cover was broken

[justme]

This is getting so good I wonder who the person from the boat is could it be sam from the find 815.com

[navyguy]

No its not Sam. Sam was on the Christianne I

[justme]

So true my bad

[senorcool]

that was a picture of him at the airport and if you remember in season 3 when lock talks to the island in that hut, he goes to the airport and ben is working the scanner...just like in the picture this episode

[BriGuy0419]

****ttt... ya mean, good point. I didn't see the picture THAT well but I'll take your word for it. If that is a pic of him doing what Locke saw then Locke definitely knows his ****... No conning John Locke.

[OnEoFtHeSiX]

yeah thats true

[justme]

I didnt catch that one good eye

[though2544]

In their podcast at Comic Con 2007, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse said that yes, Michael will be returning to the show this season as a regular cast member and the way he returns will be something big. Could it be that Ben's guy on the boat is Michael?

[Dzbabykel]

In their podcast at Comic Con 2007, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse said that yes, Michael will be returning to the show this season as a regular cast member and the way he returns will be something big. Could it be that Ben's guy on the boat is Michael?

YES I def think it is :)

[stevebennet]

Magnetic studies have indicated that they have many healing powers. This may indicate that Ben has spent most of his adult life off of the island during the growth of his tumor. This magnet may also explain the many miscarriages.

[Archangel-Player]

Magnetic studies have indicated that they have many healing powers. This may indicate that Ben has spent most of his adult life off of the island during the growth of his tumor. This magnet may also explain the many miscarriages.

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That's very true. But!! At the same time Magntism can cause cancer and tumor's can become cancerous. The very base of Magntism is Electromagtism which all light is made of. Which mean sthe island just might be a big huge mount of radiation. that can heal. But also destroy. If there was a lot of valcanic action at one point on the island. That doesn't ruls eout that deep and I mean way deep there isn't a huge ball of radiactive lava just streaming as a lake around the island.


I think Ben has been off the island. I mean he seemed super scared when the freighter was on it's way. How else would he know how dangerous thes epeople realy are. The peopel know teh same about Ben. They know all that has accured on this island. The purge, the killing of Dharma. Everything. They know he can be one of the most dangerous minds you could possably encounter. That is why Ben destroyed Dharma and blocked all outside signals and outgoing signals . He made it where it was damn near imposable to get to this island. He knew they would come looking for him. But why the suplie drop and how was it droped?

[Archangel-Player]

In their podcast at Comic Con 2007, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse said that yes, Michael will be returning to the show this season as a regular cast member and the way he returns will be something big. Could it be that Ben's guy on the boat is Michael?
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I belive you hit that one right on the nose. It's Michael.

[aZiXx]

My comment is also here as to why I don't see it being Michael: http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317

You may be on to something there.... very interesting supposition.

A few things to consider. If Michael was "taken" or "rescued" buy the freighter, whatever the case may be. Would they give him access to equipment to communicate with Ben or anyone else for that matter about the names of the people on the freighter? I doubt they would grant him that security level. These people are professionals, they are being funded for a purpose we are not sure of yet. Do you think they would permit some guy they picked up to start communicating with whoever he wanted given this top-secret mission they are on? I don't think so. Just my opinion given the information about the secrecy, security and importance of this mission these people are on. They aren't that dumb, know what I mean?

[polarsawyer]

Wasn't been sitting down in the picture, with a tan vest on, not a white shirt/ TSA security uniform?

[missjulie]

If Ben can get off the island or has in the past, why didn't he leave to have spinal surgery on his cancer? Why did he need Jack? Or did he find out about the cancer close to the 815 crash event? So there was no need to leave??

Also... is it just me or does that picture look like its from the 70's? Washed out like 70's pictures and look he's wearing a vest that looks suspiciously like it has a matching leisure suit attached.

[Snape]

It makes ZERO sense to me how those freighter people would have an adult picture of Ben. I have never seen a camera on that island...much less a developing shop or area for the picture itself (was it a polaroid shown?).

At any rate, I think we should focus on that question. There are a number of theories that I can come up with, with equally bad reasons against them:

1. Ben is a twin (I doubt this - we have been shown his birth, and we have no reason to believe that there was a twin)
2. Ben is a clone (quite probable - I lean to this one, and his clone is healthy and off the island which is how the freighter people got a picture of him)
3. There is a camera on the island (I don't believe this at all - unless it's from the plane wreckage. However, the scene in that photo is definitely NOT from the island so I think the camera-on-the-island issue is moot).

[aZiXx]

that was a picture of him at the airport and if you remember in season 3 when lock talks to the island in that hut, he goes to the airport and ben is working the scanner...just like in the picture this episode

Sorry to kill your theory... but here goes.

Locke was having a vision with relevance to what he had to do. Everything the he was seeing, never happened. It was a vision quest. It was not a flashback, or a flashforward, it was a vision, not reality.

As for Ben, he was a security guard at the airport, dressed up as a security guard, doing his security guard job in that vision as a security guard scanning people.

In the picture of Miles, that is reality, he is somewhere and got his picture taken, with a CRT screen facing an employee of some kind in front of Ben. He is not wearing the airport security guard uniform. He is just Ben in the picture. Hes got a striped shirt on with a white vest. The two instances are not the same. :)

[aZiXx]

It makes ZERO sense to me how those freighter people would have an adult picture of Ben. I have never seen a camera on that island...much less a developing shop or area for the picture itself (was it a polaroid shown?).

At any rate, I think we should focus on that question. There are a number of theories that I can come up with, with equally bad reasons against them:

1. Ben is a twin (I doubt this - we have been shown his birth, and we have no reason to believe that there was a twin)
2. Ben is a clone (quite probable - I lean to this one, and his clone is healthy and off the island which is how the freighter people got a picture of him)
3. There is a camera on the island (I don't believe this at all - unless it's from the plane wreckage. However, the scene in that photo is definitely NOT from the island so I think the camera-on-the-island issue is moot).

Interesting ideas. But why don't you think it's a picture of Ben off island? He had submarine... he most likely had interests off island, given his ability to find information. It's not unreasonable to see him going off island a few times.

[bunnydixon]

yep i am with you - lockes vision was purely that and relevant to the events occuring on the island at that time - ben was scanning kate, jack and sawyer when he was in fact holding them prisoner at that time so thats why he was shown as an authority figure.

[missjulie]

I keep staring at that picture of ben... the monitor... his outfit... even looks like he has a briefcase or bag over his shoulder...

Anyone want to try hazarding a guess at the year/model of that monitor? Doesn't look post 1995... and his outfit screams old to me. Like late 80's early 90's...

Does anyone even wear beige suits anymore??

[polarsawyer]

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6vf38BE6gI/AAAAAAAATZk/CKjtHhkutUs/s1600-h/ben.jpg

heres the picture

[Snape]

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6vf38BE6gI/AAAAAAAATZk/CKjtHhkutUs/s1600-h/ben.jpg

heres the picture

You know what? I submit to you that that doesn't really look identical to Ben at all.

[bunnydixon]

i agree - he looks different. perhaps its the spiffy shirt and waistcoat combo though!

his eyes looks darker.

[polarsawyer]

He looks younger, doesn't?

Or maybe with out the scars and blood from getting his butt whipped might have an affect haha :)

[Dzbabykel]

I agree! Based on the way they styled his hair and prob put make up on him to hide some wrinkles, he's prob 10 to 15 years younger?? I would guess late 80's, early 90's???

[Archangel-Player]

My comment is also here as to why I don't see it being Michael: http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317

You may be on to something there.... very interesting supposition.

A few things to consider. If Michael was "taken" or "rescued" buy the freighter, whatever the case may be. Would they give him access to equipment to communicate with Ben or anyone else for that matter about the names of the people on the freighter? I doubt they would grant him that security level. These people are professionals, they are being funded for a purpose we are not sure of yet. Do you think they would permit some guy they picked up to start communicating with whoever he wanted given this top-secret mission they are on? I don't think so. Just my opinion given the information about the secrecy, security and importance of this mission these people are on. They aren't that dumb, know what I mean?
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I know exactly what you mean. Ben also said "Spy" as in someone they don't know is working for Ben. This kinda thing happens all around teh world all the time. and to highly respected Gov. organizations world wide. So It's possable that Michael was granted such permisson. We know he is pretty smart. Not all his tactics are smart. But he doese have a good hand of cards to play when he brings them to the table. So i imagen Michael was put in the system some how as one of their owns like his profile showed up as one of them or someone amongs a trusted organization. It could be a fake idenity he has taken aboard the ship. He's pretty slick when being sneacky. SO he could have sliped into a room and used their equipment. Or!! Ben or someone associated with Ben ha splanted equipment for him to use in a place where noone would suspect. Your forgeting who we are dealing with. It's Ben and we know the plans he is capiable of coming up with.

[Archangel-Player]

It kinda looks like Ben is wearing an appron. Like one of thoese leather or thick plastic approns. Like he was in some type of lab or matrial making room. His hair doesn't look the same. Ovcourse this could be quite some time ago and he had more hair to cover it and we all do have ba dhair days lol. It seems as if he knew he was being photographed and he realy didn't care.

[Archangel-Player]

Interesting ideas. But why don't you think it's a picture of Ben off island? He had submarine... he most likely had interests off island, given his ability to find information. It's not unreasonable to see him going off island a few times.
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Great point.

Ben did say "Iv Been on this island all my life" But he never once said "Iv never been off this island" :-)

[hunter8768]

Here's my take on the picture.

Ben is going through security at am airport. Its pre-2001 because there is only an x-ray scanner and not the full scanner like they use now. That is what is in front of him. He is wearing a beige vest over a late 70s early 80s style shirt. Notice the long, high collor on a heave striped shirt. I know these shirts, my father-in-law wears them! I don't see anything on his shoulder like a bag or luggage. The one thing I find interesting is that he looks older to me. Mayby heavier, like he lost a lot of weight after this picture was taken. He definately looks scared or like he is looking out for someone. He just looks alerted.

One thing I have a question about, if no one can transmit in or out of the island, how does he communicate with his guy on the ship? Maybe he used the girls in the Looking glass station to communicate with him and that is why he wanted Patchy to kill them. You know what the say, deadmen tell no tails!

[bunnydixon]

i am sure his eyes are darker aswell

[Dzbabykel]

Wouldn't that be cool if they have another Ben flashback when he's off the island and we see exactly how the picture was taken?? I have a feeling thats what they're going to do....maybe he got off the island to find Annie OR maybe he's still in contact with her? I mean c'mon! She's gotta come back into play somehow! Haha :)

[tdf192]

Isnt Annie = Rossau. She has lost all memory or has fake memories of her arrival to the island. There is a scene after she has captured Sajid with one of those dolls which child Ben had given to Annie ages ago.

Maybe Annie / Rossau was kidnapped by Richard Alput and so saved from the Dharma purge.

Also that picture of Ben in the '80s' looks slightly less like Ben than it should. He also doesnt look suprised that he is being photographed

[missjulie]

Isnt Annie = Rossau. She has lost all memory or has fake memories of her arrival to the island. There is a scene after she has captured Sajid with one of those dolls which child Ben had given to Annie ages ago.

Maybe Annie / Rossau was kidnapped by Richard Alput and so saved from the Dharma purge.

Also that picture of Ben in the '80s' looks slightly less like Ben than it should. He also doesnt look suprised that he is being photographed
*shudder*....

That would explain how Ben keeps talking about Daniel being HIS. If he really never lies... ew...

OH MY GOD.

[Found in Lost]

Isnt Annie = Rossau. She has lost all memory or has fake memories of her arrival to the island. There is a scene after she has captured Sajid with one of those dolls which child Ben had given to Annie ages ago.

Maybe Annie / Rossau was kidnapped by Richard Alput and so saved from the Dharma purge.

Also that picture of Ben in the '80s' looks slightly less like Ben than it should. He also doesnt look suprised that he is being photographed


unfortunately, this wouldn't explain how rosseau knows french, not to mention wouldn't she be wiped out by the purge?

[tdf192]

However if Ben was in love with her then he would have been able to save her from the gasing. except tht she found out about it and so the original others brainwashed her to stop her remembering. Unfortunately this changed her completely and so Ben fell out of love with the new Annie.

Its amazing what weird accents can be brought to the fore by changing different nervous pathways in the brain.

[LostFreak21]

They said b4 that ben was in on alot of secret operations or somthing, all around the world. He obviously had to go off, he had the sub and all. He had to recruit people to come on the island and all. Had to have been off at some point. Wonder who the guy ben said he "had from their boat"?

Did he say that Ben "had fom their boat"? That sounds like he captured him, not put him there.:eek:

[hollie425]

yea the pic was him, it looked like, maybe 2 or 3 years ago... hmmmmm??

[Archangel-Player]

Wouldn't that be cool if they have another Ben flashback when he's off the island and we see exactly how the picture was taken?? I have a feeling thats what they're going to do....maybe he got off the island to find Annie OR maybe he's still in contact with her? I mean c'mon! She's gotta come back into play somehow! Haha :)
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That would be an awsome way of re-introducing Annie into the picture and at the same time give us more information on Ben's past. Great thinking there.

[legendaryzero]

This is really interesting in thinking that Rousseau is Annie....Never really thought of that. Has anyone ever considered the Annie connection to Kate? In her first flashback her alias is Annie...Just throwing that out there, it could just be a coincidence, but you never know.

[Dzbabykel]

Actually rhe first time the introduced Annie during Ben's flashback, the first person I thought of was Rousseau. I think it could be a definite possibility...I just hope they finish up that story line rather than leaving us in the dark!

[banginailz]

about that pic my thoughts are that hes at the airport putting his carry on bags through the xray scanner that explains the large monitor.look in front of him towards the bottom. that black thing w big rivets looks like the door to the xray.hmmmm? above the monitor would be the hair of the lady doing the xray.

[thelawgiver]

May not be an airport screening area, some goverment buildings have such screening. Hmmmm..something to ponder.

[bunnydixon]

love the annie/rousseau idea.

[skatertsol]

Ok let's go with it's an airport....Where? Any speculations? The man standing behind him is blurred but looks of darker complexion...But the person who is blurred from vision seems to have blonde hair, insinuating the possibility of the airport being farther away than Tunisia where we saw the polar bear skeleton. But maybe the destination is back to the bones, back to whatever the flashforward/flashback has to do with the island? Desert/Island Thru the looking glass, mirror opposites...I need a drink

[navyguy]

love the annie/rousseau idea.

She does know quite a bit about the physics of the island too hence the equations in her cabin.

[coldandevell]

Let us not forget too that at several points we see that Ben communicating with the outside world and having "people" there (ben's got people lol)
For example when he shows Juliette her sister and the son. So who knows how big and how far Ben's minions go. I mean he had to have gotten his info on each of the passengers somewhere. No reason to think with people coming and going from the island Ben hasn't been off of it.