born on the island

[sirchin]

I think John locke was born on the island and was taken away for some reason(maybe when Dharma arrived) without Richard's knowing. I think Richard may have been on a quest to find Locke when giving out that test. That may explain why he was so frustrated when little Locke failed because it meant he would have to keep searching. I'm thinking maybe the "chosen one" has to be born on the island. Maybe thats why "the others" were so desperate for a baby to be born there. Perhaps someone who didn't want the chosen one to be born (BEN) was sabotaging the pregnacies, someone who doesn't want to give up their position as leader (BEN).Maybe Aaron will be the chosen one.




King Herod (aka Ben) will be played by Michael Emmerson! LOL!

[Diamond Girl]

I agree with your theory that "the 'chosen one' has to be born on the island." It's exactly why I think Aaron is the chosen one and not Locke.

[sirchin]

I agree with your theory that "the 'chosen one' has to be born on the island." It's exactly why I think Aaron is the chosen one and not Locke.

Oh I think John was "meant" to be the "chosen one" but lost, or gave up, his oppertunity. But I think he will eventually rule the island untill Aaron is old enough. Ben is the incubus. Maybe Richard mistook him for Locke as a child.

[JJ McAbraham]

I like this line of thinking a lot. Id like to see it thought through a bit more and hopefully we can get some answer, one way or another, this Thursday.

[ehodgson]

i think Richard went back in time to see lock using time travel (not enough info to finish theory)

[-XENOMORPHMELT-]

I think John locke was born on the island and was taken away for some reason(maybe when Dharma arrived) without Richard's knowing. I think Richard may have been on a quest to find Locke when giving out that test. That may explain why he was so frustrated when little Locke failed because it meant he would have to keep searching. I'm thinking maybe the "chosen one" has to be born on the island. Maybe thats why "the others" were so desperate for a baby to be born there. Perhaps someone who didn't want the chosen one to be born (BEN) was sabotaging the pregnacies, someone who doesn't want to give up their position as leader (BEN).Maybe Aaron will be the chosen one.




King Herod (aka Ben) will be played by Michael Emmerson! LOL!

Aaron huh?, Or Maybe they will go Star Wars style on that, And it will Be Aarons Son, and Aaron will be the Evil one O.O!

[islander]

I think Hurley might be in between Locke and Aaron since Hurley found the cabin. Finding the cabin is important. Maybe Hurley's mission is to bring Aaron back to the island.

[Four-Toed Statue]

There's no doubt in my mind that Aaron is the chosen one. And the whole Ben sabotaging the pregnancies thing I hadn't thought of but it makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Although if Aaron is the chosen one won't he have to find and kill his father, just like Ben and Locke, even though Locke passed it off onto Sawyer.

[lost_in_iowa]

I think Hurley might be in between Locke and Aaron since Hurley found the cabin. Finding the cabin is important. Maybe Hurley's mission is to bring Aaron back to the island.

This may be a long shot, but the cabin is a vessel. Kind of like a woman carrying a child is a vessel.

What is inside the vessel is a child waiting to be born. It has not yet been delivered or unleashed.

Who can "open" the vessel and release the child is the question....Whether it is pandora's box, a different dimension or some kind of prison, we do not know. We also do not know why or who put Jacob in there and why he resides there but can be heard. Is he supposed to come out? Is the cabin a soul? Is the chosen one allowed to release this entity because his power is able to allow the god out to rule the island once again?

[sirchin]

Although if Aaron is the chosen one won't he have to find and kill his father,

No problem, they can bring him there in the magic box! LOL!
But your question does bring up "the daddy issue" everyone seems to have. And Aaron's father did betray him. So he has one also.

[sirchin]

As I mentioned for Locke to have been born on the island, that would have to take place before the Dharma team arrived. With the hostels maybe. What do we know abou the hostals. Why were they there?

[sirchin]

There's no doubt in my mind that Aaron is the chosen one. And the whole Ben sabotaging the pregnancies thing I hadn't thought of but it makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Although if Aaron is the chosen one won't he have to find and kill his father, just like Ben and Locke, even though Locke passed it off onto Sawyer.

I don't really think killing your father is a requirement to be the "chosen one!"
I know Ben killed is father, but I don't think Ben was a "chosen one" I think Ben is just a sudio leader untill the "chosen one" Locke arrives.

[VincentCottonellePuppy]

Speaking of the magic box

http://www.myspace.com/sonicweaponfence

Also, no way is Hurley in line to be the one, he's more of a classic oracle type. His past and future craziness kind of speak to this.

[Missie]

I guess your assuming that Ben was never a chosen one? He had dreams, talked to Jacob, lead the others. He may not have been first choice but he was chosen. And he was not born on the island.

I also find it hard to believe that Ben is purposly causing pregnate women to die on the island. He seems to really want to cure the problem. I know he brought Juliet on the island for other reasons then just fertilty issues, However, he gets kinda upset with her when she says she cant fix it. And now we know that Ben was really the only one truely obsessed with the problem, (Richard tells Locke he is wasting thier time on fertilty issues.)

All in all it would make since that Locke was born on the island just like Aaron, however im not sure why Richard would take him off the island in the first place. And the island lets Aaron leave too. Maybe this is part of the process, growing up in the real world, in real time??

[sirchin]

I guess your assuming that Ben was never a chosen one? He had dreams, talked to Jacob, lead the others. He may not have been first choice but he was chosen. And he was not born on the island.

I also find it hard to believe that Ben is purposly causing pregnate women to die on the island. He seems to really want to cure the problem. I know he brought Juliet on the island for other reasons then just fertilty issues, However, he gets kinda upset with her when she says she cant fix it. And now we know that Ben was really the only one truely obsessed with the problem, (Richard tells Locke he is wasting thier time on fertilty issues.)

All in all it would make since that Locke was born on the island just like Aaron, however im not sure why Richard would take him off the island in the first place. And the island lets Aaron leave too. Maybe this is part of the process, growing up in the real world, in real time??

Yes Ben was chosen or elected to be the leader, but a stand in leader (sudio)
he could not totally communicate with Jacob, he couldn't hear him, and for all we know maybe he couldn't even see him. He may have just known he was in he cabin, told by someone. Ben may also be the one holding Jacob hostage somehow, and what I'm suggesting why Locke was taking off the island as a baby by someone, was to protect him from being hurt or taken by the others (Dharma) when they arrived. We know from Ben's flashbacks that the Hostiles and the others had violent runins, a war going on.

This thread is just one of the many theories I have,(probably wrong) like he ones in the past. But I still enjoy making the up. And I'm glad to have your input. Wheither you agree or not. That's another great thing about this show (Lost), us fans can argue and debate about all the wild possabilities! And still be freinds.

[Brother Desmond]

Yes Ben was chosen or elected to be the leader, but a stand in leader (sudio)
he could not totally communicate with Jacob, he couldn't hear him, and for all we know maybe he couldn't even see him. He may have just known he was in he cabin, told by someone. Ben may also be the one holding Jacob hostage somehow, and what I'm suggesting why Locke was taking off the island as a baby by someone, was to protect him from being hurt or taken by the others (Dharma) when they arrived. We know from Ben's flashbacks that the Hostiles and the others had violent runins, a war going on.

This thread is just one of the many theories I have,(probably wrong) like he ones in the past. But I still enjoy making the up. And I'm glad to have your input. Wheither you agree or not. That's another great thing about this show (Lost), us fans can argue and debate about all the wild possabilities! And still be freinds.

I like your theory that Ben is holding Jacob hostage. It would make senses because after Ben and Locke first visited the cabin Ben said he shot John becasue he "heard Jacob" Locke heard Jacob's "Help me" call and Ben didn't want him to divulge that information to anyone else.

[Missie]

I kinda always thoguht Ben might be holding Jacob hostage, it fits in here well. Maybe richard though Ben was born on the island. He was a member of Dharma. This is far fetched I know, but I just cant see Ben being chosen as a stand in. We have all seen what he is cabable of. Then again maybe that was just from intense training.
Dont get me wrong, its a good theory Im just not sure ive wrapped my head around it yet, that why im trying to fill in some of the holes.

[LostNtime]

I enjoy this theory as well, I think you may be on to something…Do you recall the first visit to the cabin? If I remember correctly, Ben placed some substance (sand?) in a circular ring around the cabin. Could this be used to trap Jacob? The only downfall to that I have is that there are no paved streets on the island and John’s mother was hit in a street as she ran out the front door of her home.

[sirchin]

I like your theory that Ben is holding Jacob hostage. It would make senses because after Ben and Locke first visited the cabin Ben said he shot John becasue he "heard Jacob" Locke heard Jacob's "Help me" call and Ben didn't want him to divulge that information to anyone else.

Exactly! And as much as we like Ben and want him to turn out to be a good guy, there's still the possability he is evil. I think Jacob is the islands current "chosen one" I think Ben has the best motive to hold Jacob hostage, he wants to maintain his powerbase as a leader of the others. I think he is doing this by preventing the next in line (Locke) to replace him, and that's why Ben keeps messing with Locke's psycey and belief in himself. I think Jacob is weary and ready to step down but can't because there is no true "chosen one" to replace him and this is why he's asking for help.

[Brother Desmond]

I enjoy this theory as well, I think you may be on to something…Do you recall the first visit to the cabin? If I remember correctly, Ben placed some substance (sand?) in a circular ring around the cabin. Could this be used to trap Jacob? The only downfall to that I have is that there are no paved streets on the island and John’s mother was hit in a street as she ran out the front door of her home.

I'm still up in the air as to whether Locke was born on the island. The paved road was part of my reasoning into thinking that it wasn't the Island. Now that I think more about it I'm thinking there could have been roads at some time.

Remember when Jack, Kate and Sawyer were held as prisoners by the Others and it seemed like they were building an airstrip? Wouldn't it be possible that at some point in the past the inhabitants of the Island did indeed have paved roads?

[Missie]

I enjoy this theory as well, I think you may be on to something…Do you recall the first visit to the cabin? If I remember correctly, Ben placed some substance (sand?) in a circular ring around the cabin. Could this be used to trap Jacob? The only downfall to that I have is that there are no paved streets on the island and John’s mother was hit in a street as she ran out the front door of her home.

I think they mean that the babies were switched in the hospital. Either that or Emily was never pregnate to begin with and it was just an "allusion" for a lack of better words.

Also I think that sand ashy stuff was there when Ben was a boy. Im not sure though. Maybe the hostiles were trapping him.

[sirchin]

LostNTime said' "The only downfall to that I have is that there are no paved streets on the island and John’s mother was hit in a street as she ran out the front door of her home.



I say, " They have a friggin smoke monster! I think paved roads would be easy after that! LOL! Joking!

As I mentined before, the scene where she gets hit by the car, may have happened on the mainland. Then she could have went to the Island later already pregnant and giving birth there (ala Claire) Maybe she arrived with the with the Dharmas. What I'm saying is the scene where she got hit by the car and the scene where she is being wheeled into the operating room may not have happened back to back, but rather two seperate flashbacks shown that way by the writers/producers to fool us the audiance. There could be missing time between the two we haven't seen yet.

[AshIsLostNLovinIt]

I was thinking the same thing about him being born on the Island.. but my question is.. if John's mom and John's gradmother we're on the Island how did they not know who richard is? Maybe the grandmother knew.. and is trying to protect him.. hells bells I dunno

[sirchin]

I was thinking the same thing about him being born on the Island.. but my question is.. if John's mom and John's gradmother we're on the Island how did they not know who richard is? Maybe the grandmother knew.. and is trying to protect him.. hells bells I dunno

I kinda believe John's grandmother did know but was telling a lie about it.

[sirchin]

The Others or maybe Ben alone may know Aaron is the "chosen one". Maybe he just hasn't made his play for Aaron yet, as not to show his hand. Or what if they have made their move and we just don't know it yet. What if they have the "Real Claire" and the "Real Aaron" held hostage. Maybe the Aaron left in the jungle was a clone, same for the Claire in the cabin. They had the chance to get the DNA they needed to do this with back when they had pregnant Claire kidnapped back in season one.

[sirchin]

I know the clone theory has been discussed, it may have already been ruled out. I don't know. If it has been ruled out, someone let me know. Untill then I'm gonna play with the idea a little more. Okay about the pregnacies. Maybe the women trying to give birth on the island have been clones. Maybe clones can't reproduce. Maybe Richard is a clone and thats why he doen't age.

[cheapshot11b]

no mention of alex???

was she born on the ISland? Rousseau didn't leave for the expedition already pregnant did she? i don't remember if this was addressed on the show.

So, did she get pregnant before she left, on the boat, on the Island with a crazy crew mate she later killed?

[Brother Desmond]

no mention of alex???

was she born on the ISland? Rousseau didn't leave for the expedition already pregnant did she? i don't remember if this was addressed on the show.

So, did she get pregnant before she left, on the boat, on the Island with a crazy crew mate she later killed?

I believe (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that Rousseau was already pregnant upon crashing on the Island. Her husband was part of her team that contracted the "sickness", Rousseau killed the team and then birthed Alex by herself.

[cheapshot11b]

ok, good call bro...

so Ben kidnapped her why???

...to look good in front of the Others like she was a gift from the Island.

Didn't he present her as his own, or did they all know she was kidnapped? They obviously don't have major concerns about stealing kids, but man taking a newborn is heartless.

[Brother Desmond]

I'm not sure what Ben's exact intentions regarding stealing Alex were either. Perhaps the morale was low amongst his people, and he wanted to show them proof that life could be created on the Island.

When Ben was bluffing about not caring about Alex to Keamy he said "I stole her from an insane woman" Maybe he truly believed that baby Alex was in danger from Rousseau and that is why he stole her.

[coffefrap]

I'm still up in the air as to whether Locke was born on the island. The paved road was part of my reasoning into thinking that it wasn't the Island. Now that I think more about it I'm thinking there could have been roads at some time.

Remember when Jack, Kate and Sawyer were held as prisoners by the Others and it seemed like they were building an airstrip? Wouldn't it be possible that at some point in the past the inhabitants of the Island did indeed have paved roads?

The twists and turns this show takes......had not thought that the "airstrip" could have been paved roads.....any other indication or "clue" from when/where Locke was born that could give us more insight?? When Emily runs out in the rain, what about the foliage, etc.....anything that would indicate "island"????

[lost_in_iowa]

The twists and turns this show takes......had not thought that the "airstrip" could have been paved roads.....any other indication or "clue" from when/where Locke was born that could give us more insight?? When Emily runs out in the rain, what about the foliage, etc.....anything that would indicate "island"????

Was the car that hit Emily the car with Ben's pregnant mother giving birth? Since Ben's mother died, he and Locke both ended up at the same foster home?

[lostmama]

What about what the nurse said the night that John Locke was born. He was a premie and she said something like "most of the premies we've had here haven't done as well." I thought babies didn't survive on the island? Or..maybe at one point they did and that little injection that Ben was having Juliette give all the pregnant mothers really was doing something to sabotage the pregnancies????

[ortrules]

This is a direct quote from Richard during season 3 when he is talking to Locke about Ben trying to force Locke to kill his father:

RICHARD: Ben has been wasting our time with novelties like fertility problems. We're looking for someone to remind us that we're here for more important reasons.

If you need to be born on the island to be "the chosen one" then you would think Richard would care more about the fertility problems on the island. But he doesn't, meaning that "the chosen one" is already among them or it doesn't matter where they are born.

[Lost4Words]

So Ben kidnapped her why???


I think they have a habit of taking the young, perhaps feeling the kids belong in a better, more stable, environment. :rolleyes: Which makes me wonder what happened to the kids that were taken from the Losties early in the show. Are they still on the island? I don't remember if that was ever addressed.

[Lost4Words]

This is a direct quote from Richard during season 3 when he is talking to Locke about Ben trying to force Locke to kill his father:

RICHARD: Ben has been wasting our time with novelties like fertility problems. We're looking for someone to remind us that we're here for more important reasons.

If you need to be born on the island to be "the chosen one" then you would think Richard would care more about the fertility problems on the island. But he doesn't, meaning that "the chosen one" is already among them or it doesn't matter where they are born.

Yeah, I think Locke was born on the mainland so to speak. And I think Ben was genuinely interested in solving the pregnancy issues for whatever reason.

[Brother Desmond]

I think they have a habit of taking the young, perhaps feeling the kids belong in a better, more stable, environment. :rolleyes: Which makes me wonder what happened to the kids that were taken from the Losties early in the show. Are they still on the island? I don't remember if that was ever addressed.

In the season 3 episode "Stranger in a Strange Land" I believe Jack saw Cindy (815 flight attendant) with the kids while he was being held in the cages.

[cheapshot11b]

I think they have a habit of taking the young, perhaps feeling the kids belong in a better, more stable, environment. :rolleyes: Which makes me wonder what happened to the kids that were taken from the Losties early in the show. Are they still on the island? I don't remember if that was ever addressed.

ya, the 2 kids ( boy and girl) were shown later with cindy the flight attendent at juiliette's "trial" ( when she was branded in the small of her back)

some people think cindy worked for Ben before she became a flight attendent. she was convienently kidnapped and assimilated into the Other's culture rapidly...

[sirchin]

no mention of alex???

was she born on the ISland? Rousseau didn't leave for the expedition already pregnant did she? i don't remember if this was addressed on the show.

So, did she get pregnant before she left, on the boat, on the Island with a crazy crew mate she later killed?

Yes Alex was born on the island. That may explain Ben kidnapping her. Maybe he did so because he thought she could be the "chosen one". Maybe she could have been, but Ben was suppressing her, or restraining her someway, the way I beleive he is doing to Jacob.
This could also be the reason why he (Ben) went to get Locke,(when he was captured). This way he could keep John by his side an inerfere with Locke's becoming one with the island by continuing to mess with Locke's head, aka "his faith".

[sirchin]

This is a direct quote from Richard during season 3 when he is talking to Locke about Ben trying to force Locke to kill his father:

RICHARD: Ben has been wasting our time with novelties like fertility problems. We're looking for someone to remind us that we're here for more important reasons.

If you need to be born on the island to be "the chosen one" then you would think Richard would care more about the fertility problems on the island. But he doesn't, meaning that "the chosen one" is already among them or it doesn't matter where they are born.

Pherhaps Ben was trying to convince Richard the "chosen one" could be "created" by science (clones) instead of naturally. He may have been trying to con Richard by saying " Hey, don't waste time trying to find the "chosen one, I can create him"! It seemed to me when Locke could't kill his Father, Ben was pleased with that fact. I beleive maybe he has convinced the others that killing your father WAS a qualification to be the chosen one. But Richard knew otherwise thats why he went behind Ben's back and told John to have Sawer do it for him. That way Ben would have no choise but to take Locke to see Jacob for the next test. Which he passed because he HEARD Jacob. Which upset Ben.

[sirchin]

BTW. This is weird! I have two different threads pertaining to Ben's real motives. One sugessting Ben is "GOOD" and then this one, suggesting that Ben is "EVIL". But hey, anything is still a possabilaty with this show. And I'll be the first to admit. I don't have the answers.

[sirchin]

This is way out there, but talk about Alex made me think. If she were the "chosen one" and Ben was holding her back, like I think he's been doing to Locke. Even though Keemi shot her, she may still come back if the island isn't finished with her yet. Like after Ben shot Locke.