polar bear bones enforce Purgatory theory

[Tywilson]

The bones found in the desert were a dharma experement for sure!! The polar bear was dead and its spirit was sent to the island where the others where trying to figure out how to produce new life in purgatory. Also the pilot, the Ghost whisperer, Physisist, and the other girl all have a reason to be there especially if they are dealing with spirits or people in limbo. I think that the magnetic field draws people into purgatory and the reason that it was to never go off is so that new spirits wouldnt reveal the secrets of the island if they were to return to the human world...I have more but i'm tired of typing.....What do you guys think?

[missjulie]

I thought they came out and said it was not hell or purgatory?

[pantags]

Its Not Purgatory!!!!!!!!!!

[BriGuy0419]

Dammit! Everything on the ISLAND IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. No Hell, No purgatory, No dream, No day dream, No imagination, etc etc etc. REAL TIME events actually taking place. The writers have stressed that.

[Octopod]

LOL..sorry.

[Tywilson]

Dammit! Everything on the ISLAND IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. No Hell, No purgatory, No dream, No day dream, No imagination, etc etc etc. REAL TIME events actually taking place. The writers have stressed that.
i think that the 4 members are kind of new age ghostbusters and that they were assembled to take the ones that had unfinished business away from the island. Ben doesnt want them there because I think he did something really bad and that he lives a better life on the island and doesnt want to go to hell. Note: the polar bear bones in the desert= polar bear on the island...dead in the real world alive in purgatory. I think if I had written 3 years of a television show i would not want to say "well guys you busted me it is purgatory and now you dont have to watch because its totally un-interesting now!" that would cause them to lose ratings and advertising and we would all have nothing to theorize about!

-Thanks!

[pantags]

It Is Not Purgatory!!!!!!!

[Tywilson]

It Is Not Purgatory!!!!!!!
what do you think?

[Creamsteve]

So, to get to purgatory you have to die. If they are in purgatory then those that already died, died twice. That's just stupid. Not purgatory, limbo, the afterlife, hell, heaven, not sleeping with fishes, not in a "better place", none of that. PLEASE NO MORE PURGATORY STUFF!!!

[Octopod]

Wait!Think about it.Everyone who has died has either been a good person or come to terms with themselves somehow and then died.Maybe dying on the island is how you get off and ascend to heaven?!


LOL...just joshin' :P

[Tywilson]

So, to get to purgatory you have to die. If they are in purgatory then those that already died, died twice. That's just stupid. Not purgatory, limbo, the afterlife, hell, heaven, not sleeping with fishes, not in a "better place", none of that. PLEASE NO MORE PURGATORY STUFF!!!
Just cant win. you guys have any theories or are you just here to tell me how dumb i am for not believing the writers! Time travel is just as out of the realistic realm as purgatory is and if its real time...how do you explain the cover up by the airlines or perhaps Dharma? And why besides the writers coming out and saying it wasn't couldn't it be purgatory? And have you guys noticed that the Book Bad Twin was written by Gary Troup is and anagram for purgatory...the book was actually written by the lost writers

[Octopod]

So the new 4 people are dead or somehow the living can get to purgatory?

[Tywilson]

So the new 4 people are dead or somehow the living can get to purgatory?
I think the breach in the field allowed them to find roughly where the island is. I dont think if you die on the island you die twice. Remember that they dont want to be found because maybe dharma was conducting supernatural experiments...everyone who arrived on the island was surrouned by death and all of the circumstances that brought them there had to do with people around them dying or themselve coming to near death experiences. Even the guy in the yacht race crashed his ship there. I just love the show and I'm not just talking out of my ass so if you dont think this is true let me know what you think, i'm open minded

[HurleysMillions]

did anyone see what symbol the polar bears collar had on it? as in, what dharma station?

[Tywilson]

did anyone see what symbol the polar bears collar had on it? as in, what dharma station?
yes thats why i think the polar bear bones are the remains of the one on the island for sure...

[HurleysMillions]

yes thats why i think the polar bear bones are the remains of the one on the island for sure...

i mean, which station was it?

[UnknownPoster]

I think it was Hydra. I forgot which one that is though.
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[Archangel-Player]

Yes it had the Hydra station symbol on it's colar. Remember when Sawyer finaly got the fish biscut an dTom siads hey you finaly got a fish biscut . It only took the bears two times. The bears escaped and one was able to leave where the other staye don the island. That wa steh reason for real time polar bear bones being found. To show you that yes you can actualy get off the island without rescue transportation. The polar bear has a great under water tracking system naturaly. They are great swimers. Did you see the tunal the sub was navgating threw? That is the same path the polar bear took. when it got to Africa. It died because of the change in atmosphear. It was use to the island's where the anomoy was very high. Where outside the island it wa slow and the polar bear was subject to the extream heat of the desert where any polar bear would die. Because polar bears can't survive in teh heat alone. They have to have a way to keep cool. And no. It's not a spirt world realm.

[Tywilson]

Yes it had the Hydra station symbol on it's colar. Remember when Sawyer finaly got the fish biscut an dTom siads hey you finaly got a fish biscut . It only took the bears two times. The bears escaped and one was able to leave where the other staye don the island. That wa steh reason for real time polar bear bones being found. To show you that yes you can actualy get off the island without rescue transportation. The polar bear has a great under water tracking system naturaly. They are great swimers. Did you see the tunal the sub was navgating threw? That is the same path the polar bear took. when it got to Africa. It died because of the change in atmosphear. It was use to the island's where the anomoy was very high. Where outside the island it wa slow and the polar bear was subject to the extream heat of the desert where any polar bear would die. Because polar bears can't survive in teh heat alone. They have to have a way to keep cool. And no. It's not a spirt world realm.
the polar bear swam from near australia to africa? just a question not an insult..I just assume its africa because of the guy guarding the site

[UnknownPoster]

I hate to be critical but I don't think the writers really had the whole thing planned out from the start. The purgatory theory really makes the most sense but maybe so many people guessed it that they decided to go another route to keep people watching???
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[aZiXx]

Yes please, the purgatory does not fit. If you have paid attention, and watched all the episodes, I do not see how you can come to the conclusion it is purgatory. You would have to be omitting information to arrive at that theory. No offense :)

[Rand227]

It is a good theory, the Purgatory issue. It's one that I subscribed to at the beginning of the series though it seems to me that a majority of this show is based more on the ideals of science and technological thought in relation to it's effects on humankind. So, I stopped thinking of purgatory (the theological approach) and started thinking on a more scientific-style of thought.

The fact that there were more than one bear being kept, as per Tom's quote when observing Sawyer's success at the Fish Biscuit fiasco, tells me that somewhere there existed a second Bear (whether Polar or otherwise). That being said, when the Polar Bear was killed on The Island, either there was another Bear wandering around somewhere on The Island or, it had somehow gotten off of The Island and that's where the Polar Bear skeleton comes into play.

Surely, we can not assume that Charlotte's back-story is either before or after the events of the "here-and-now" of The Survivors, but we can assume that one other Bear existed. Possibly, Charlotte was searching for a clue as to Dharma's existence and nothing more. It's too hard to say one way or the other.

Many of the clues lead us to believe that the back-story of the Four new characters all take place at roughly the same time but, then again, maybe not.

One thing's for sure: "Gary Troup" does translate to "Purgatory", although (from what I gather) it does not mean that it was actually the clue to reveal all. I've read that the book, "Bad Twin", was not written by the current writers of the show. In fact, the book was a project installed by the parent Disney Corporation to help achieve a higher Viewer status, the Publishing Company "Hyperion" being owned by Disney who has ownership of and with ABC. If anything, "Gary Troup" being "Purgatory" simply means that the original writers of the show wished for nothing more than a little fun and profit. Many of the LOST-related tidbits found in that book were taken loosely from the ideas of the Writers.

I did find it interesting, however, to see that "Gary Troup" was interviewed during a faux interview concerning "Bad Twin" and it helped to relate "Gary" to the events of The Island as well as other Connections with "The Valenzetti Equation".

Overall, think of the show more in terms of Science, not so much in Theology, and you will be closer to the answers you seek.

One thought to consider: Whether there is another scene that proves the existence of the dead Polar Bear still on The Island, it still will not help us to answer that question of whether or not it is the same Polar Bear that was killed on The Island. No answer can be given for this without a full-length explanation.

[lostintranslation]

the writers already said it is not purgatory. also how do you start your own thread? i feel like an idiot, but i have been looking everywhere to start one.

[Snape]

The bear collar was indeed from the Hydra station (I'm corroborating that). In case anyone doesn't remember which one Hydra was, it was where Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were imprisoned before Jack had to do the surgery on Ben.

Note that the Hydra station is not on the main island, it's on the smaller island. And yes, it appears that polar bears were kept in Sawyer's cage at some point in the past (characters referenced the "bears" figuring out the food mechanism - they didn't say they were POLAR bears, but we can infer that).

[missjulie]

Did anyone notice the hydra has 6 heads??

[jwfalzone]

Lindelof and Abrams have come out and said that it is not purgatory or hell.

[Robo42]

I feel that the basic theme is that the dharma initiative was somehow able to create a nexus or portal to the afterlife (purgatory). Incidents occur in which the protective field is disrupted allowing outsiders whom would otherwise be dead to enter. As Des always says to Jack, "see you in another life, brother" and as Ben said "all living persons will die". The island affords those an opportunity to find redemption, salvation, or atonement and peace before moving on into the afterlife. I feel most of the 815 survivors are "not living" as many have said "I'm already dead" (Sayid, Rousseau, etc). Locke's paralysis is cured and Rose no longer has cancer. I think the Oceanic six aren't "survivors", but were able to "escape" death and at least jack and Hurley realize they must return to continue on their path towards the afterlife and final peace, like Ecko and Charlie. I also think that Claire is one of the living as she was able to give birth, and is why the other women cannot (because they are dead so to speak)
I also think this is just a basic theme with alot of other themes and stuff going on. I also think the new four yahoos are not with Dharma, but another group trying to destroy Dharma and ergo Ben. I think Dharma would have enough resources to send in more than these four and one Huey helicopter.

[Rockstar Becky]

did you also notice that in the flash foward, they do not come back as the people who left? Like Jack became what he hates the most-an alcoholic...Kate looked domesticated and tied down hence the Volvo idling behind her and Jack....

[Robo42]

Never even occurred to me Rockstar, but I like it!

[Dzbabykel]

Ok....the writers YES have cancelled out purgatory or any heaven and hell stuff. You need to realize though there are A LOT of religious themes throughout Lost so I can see where you are getting your assumptions. But the writiers already confirmed for us what to cancel out of our theories. But I don't think they are going to stop with the religious parallels....thats just my opinion. Doesn't mean they are stuck in purgatory.

[Snape]

Yes, while the purgatory/afterlife motif does have a lot of credence, it has been confirmed from creators that this is NOT what this is.

You may continue to theorize but you will be found wrong as we already have been told <explicitly> that this theory is false.

[bunnydixon]

i dont think the polar bear enforces it - it was not the obvious assumption that came to me but that may well be because i was under the impression that it had been confirmed it was NOT purgatory.

i am thinking either teleportation of some kind or perhaps dharma has another camp set up.

[Robo42]

I hear you Snape, and like all the theories they have holes. I never said heaven or hell as we classically think, but that the island is at the crossroad to the afterlife, whatever that may be and whatever direction one may take. I guess I would be with Locke, although maybe not a great idea as we sort of see LOL.

[Workman]

I don't know if anyone has discussed this yet, but I'm thinking that the polar bear found in the desert may be another Oceanic Airlines crash site. It seems the airline may have a tie to the Dharma Initiative, and it was transporting the "experiments" off of the island. After the polar bear was found in the desert, Oceanic couldn't let another bit of evidence be released to connect the two, so they covered up the crash of flight 815...Keeping people off of their scent. That would also explain why this "rescue" crew may have been assembled. It is a group of people who know that something is wrong with the story behind 815, so they were chosen to go together and fail, never to come back. Thus keeping the cover up covered up...Let me know what you think!

[NiteMare15]

WOW! yeah that makes alot of sense. cuz the polar bear did have a darmah collar on it. but what about the darmah initiatives? were they in limbo too or were they just there for experiments? if they werent in limbo how did they find the island?

[Tywilson]

you have openened my mind up a little bit with this one...I like it!

[sidaco2001]

Yeeaaa...its definately NOT purgatory although i do understand where you're coming from but think about it...when has anything that has happened in LOST been so damn simple. NEVER! They lead you into one direction and then totally drive off the road and head down another direction. A "direction" that they had planned out all along. They just go the other way to mess with our heads.

[hollie425]

Dammit! Everything on the ISLAND IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. No Hell, No purgatory, No dream, No day dream, No imagination, etc etc etc. REAL TIME events actually taking place. The writers have stressed that.

thank you!! some ppl get soo far from what it rely is!! god...

[LostAgain25]

maybe all of them somehow are like in a coma, and their brain is just like making up a world for them using people who they have seen before. idk it just a theory that i came up with.

[HardrocksII]

lol...besides, anything with 4 toes doesnt have any to do with purgatory.

[Robo42]

I don't know, I had a girfriend who had her pinky toe cut off in an accident and she was pure evil. seriously!!!

[hollie425]

haha ohhh shes burnin!!

[Rand227]

maybe all of them somehow are like in a coma, and their brain is just like making up a world for them using people who they have seen before. idk it just a theory that i came up with.

I've also considered this possibility. Having a creative thinking process is something that always helps us to understand what we can't comprehend, at first. The suspension of disbelief and the adage "Assume Nothing" can better help us understand what is happening.

Why not this possibility? Again, we are given to the reference of "Vanilla Sky" wherein what we perceive to be factual and genuine is actually written by our imaginations.

That possibility taken into consideration, we have no choice but to think that maybe the Dharma Initiative is not a defunct scientific project but, rather, based on a corporation devout to "Extending the Quality of Life" via a collective place where people's thoughts are what comprise the entirety of The Island. Is it possible that everything that's happened on The Island is somehow being monitored and studied through experimentation for the "Life-Extension Project" regardless of what actually happens to those being studied.

So many possibilities that will not be disproven until the Writers wish it to be.

[lostintranslation]

polar bears don't have souls!!!

[HardrocksII]

not sure on the purgatory issue,BUT...earlier(i forget what episode) Ben took Locke somewhere to show him something, turns out, it was his dad, rmbr ? Anyway, (memory serves)Locke said something like; Dad, what are you doing here, or Dad how did you get here ? And lockes Dad says something to the effect of; You dont know where you are, do you ? That scene says volumes...if i know "where" is, but I think its a key element to determine where "this island" is....as we(the viewers) see it. Just food for thought :)

[hollie425]

polar bears don't have souls!!!

you know... they could!!

[bunnydixon]

they are so fluffy and cuuuuuute (even if they do leap out the jungle looking like a rabid rug) they gotta have a soul!

[hollie425]

exaclty! think about the polar bears ppl!!! god...

[Archangel-Player]

polar bears don't have souls!!!
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