My coffin theory - sorry if this has been beaten to death

[Oceanic Stewardess]

I was thinking for Jack to be as upset as he was and to want to kill himself after reading the article about the person dying - it had to be someone of significant importance to him. At first I thought it might be someone he loved.

But I realized the reason he is so upset is the significance of the person in the coffin being dead. It was more of a message to him rather than him being upset for a loss. I think the fact that the person was dead meant something went wrong with the others that were left on the island. Since we all know Ben is alive and well, Im sure the person in the coffin is Locke.

[Lost in VA]

based on the spoilers going around it sure seems like it's Locke, but with Lost you never know, til you know.

[XmasDVD]

I think it's me... :-)

[Oceanic Stewardess]

At first I thought it was Michael, but after re-watching it, there is no way Jack would get that upset and want to kill himself over Michael dying.

[ortrules]

I think it's me... :-)

I KNEW IT!!!

[-XENOMORPHMELT-]

It is locke, But I wonder how Walt would feel about his dad being dead?, *mean while walt finds out the news* HELLz YEAH!.

[Lost in VA]

I think it's me... :-)
you mean we have to go to Harlem for your funeral? DUDE!

[BrothaDezzy]

I was thinking for Jack to be as upset as he was and to want to kill himself after reading the article about the person dying - it had to be someone of significant importance to him. At first I thought it might be someone he loved.

But I realized the reason he is so upset is the significance of the person in the coffin being dead. It was more of a message to him rather than him being upset for a loss. I think the fact that the person was dead meant something went wrong with the others that were left on the island. Since we all know Ben is alive and well, Im sure the person in the coffin is Locke.

You know what you are rite. From stuff that I heard yesterday I now know it is Locke but my source mite be wrong just go to dark ufo and youll find out forurself.

[ai2301]

based on the spoilers going around it sure seems like it's Locke, but with Lost you never know, til you know.

If you read spoilers and then make a comment based on those spoilers, you might want to keep said comments on a spoiler board- not here. :mad:
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[Oceanic Stewardess]

As far as I know, nothing has been confirmed that its Locke. Its just my guess at who it is based on re-watching the episode.

[ortrules]

If you read spoilers and then make a comment based on those spoilers, you might want to keep said comments on a spoiler board- not here. :mad:

Definitely. There's now a few threads where people are releasing spoilers when they should not be.

I'm here to discuss and theorize, not learn the secrets.

[Nintendo_Warrior]

I like your theory off WHY he's upset, and the whole concepts pretty good. But as for WHO is in the coffin? I really don't think we will have enough information to figure that out untill the finale. Being a John Locke fan, i hope it's not him, but everything possible, and everything happens for a reason.

[Michael]

I hope Ben dies before the show ends.

[Turnip Queen]

For me it could be one of three people: Ben, Michael or Locke.

I've been getting very worried lately that it's gonna be Ben, because it would explain why the Oceanic 6 can't find their way back.

Then it seems like it's Michael cos he wants to die and also he's survived by a teenage son - which would rule out Locke or Ben.

I hadn't even considered Locke until the last episode when Ben said to him about destiny being a fickle bitch, that he had been chosen before and it wasn't always a good thing etc. So now I'm not sure!

[Oceanic Stewardess]

I like your point about it being Ben and that's why they can't get back to the island. Thats a good possibility as well.

Or maybe if they are successful in moving the island, maybe no one can figure out how to get back.

[danielle222]

What if the person in the coffin is Aaron? That would surely upset Jack. :(

[ai2301]

For me it could be one of three people: Ben, Michael or Locke.




MY first thought last year was Locke, then I thought maybe Ben. IMO Jack's upset because his hopes of getting back to the island died with whomever is in the coffin and at this point those hopes lie with Locke or Ben, but probably Locke. I forgot that LOST isn't on this week. I have a feeling that it's going to be tough to avoid spoilers until then. :(

What if the person in the coffin is Aaron? That would surely upset Jack. :(

It was not an child's casket and if it upset Jack I'd assume it would upset Kate as well. Kate was most uninterested in attending the viewing. :rolleyes:
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[Hurley eats the baby]

....seriously, I can't see how it would be Locke (spoiler or no spoiler, those are never reliable anyway). If so, wouldnt the Widmores, Abbaddons, and Dharma's of the world - and especially Ben Linus - be swarming the funeral home? Jack would be dancing on the grave instead of crying I would bet. I just pray this is all resolved next week I can't take it anymore! :eek:

[Diamond Girl]

I've always thought it was Locke in the coffin. It being Michael would simply be too lame.

[Hurley eats the baby]

I've always thought it was Locke in the coffin. It being Michael would simply be too lame.

I agree with that 100%, that is my biggest fear. I also was worried that Ben's man on the boat would be Michael too because it was so predictable. Maybe we all just know the show too well, but I can't imagine anyone at all was surprised by that.

[mahalo_dude]

I don't think it's Locke. I was leaning towards Michael, but his funeral ought to be in NYC where his family is. Why would his body be in LA?

[mahalo_dude]

I've figured it all out. I know who is in the coffin: Vincent. Ran in front of the Dharma van.:eek::mad::(.........:D

[ai2301]

If (it were Locke in the casket), wouldnt the Widmores, Abbaddons, and Dharma's of the world - and especially Ben Linus - be swarming the funeral home? Jack would be dancing on the grave instead of crying I would bet.


Why would those people come to the funeral home? I don't get that.

And if Jack learned that Locke had a special connection with the island then Jack would be upset because that connection would be forever lost with Locke's death.

Two hours is a lot of time to set the scenario up so who knows.
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[Diamond Girl]

If so, wouldnt the Widmores, Abbaddons, and Dharma's of the world - and especially Ben Linus - be swarming the funeral home?

Not necessarily. The name in the obituary was John Latham or something like that, so I'm assuming he is under an alias.

John Latham = John Locke

That's my reasoning anyway. LOL. It's as good as any other, right? :D

[LOST my train of thought]

maybe it is the guy Wildmore caught, you know on the video Ben showed

[Diamond Girl]

maybe it is the guy Wildmore caught, you know on the video Ben showed

The guy who Widmore beat up in the alley which was taped over the Red Sox game? Eh, I don't know. I don't think that tape was legit. It seemed odd to me that Widmore would beat up that guy himself when I'm sure with all the money he has he could have hired someone to do it for him. But who knows.

[Diamond Girl]

I don't think it's Locke. I was leaning towards Michael, but his funeral ought to be in NYC where his family is. Why would his body be in LA?

I thought it was established that the funeral home was in the Bronx. Maybe not.

[ortrules]

I thought it was established that the funeral home was in the Bronx. Maybe not.

Only if you think Jack drove his Jeep from LA to NY just to stop at the funeral home for a minute.

[Brother Desmond]

If it was/is Locke in the casket I think Jack was upset because he knew Locke was right about freighter folk coming there to kill them, and it was Jack that made the phone call which turned out to be "the beginning of the end" as Benjamin would say.

Also, Jack may think that Locke was their best chance of getting back to the Island, and now that Locke is gone that chance is gone.

[coffefrap]

You are more than likely right if it is Locke in the coffin......imagine the guilt that Jack is carrying.....WOW....!

[ortrules]

If it is Locke in the coffin (which is one of the people I originally thought it was) then there are two major questions to pose:

Why/how does Locke get off the island?
Why do Jack and Kate resent him so much? They both have a minor reason not to like him, but nothing that comes close to hating him like they seem to do in the future.

[Workman]

If it is Locke in the coffin (which is one of the people I originally thought it was) then there are two major questions to pose:

Why/how does Locke get off the island?
Why do Jack and Kate resent him so much? They both have a minor reason not to like him, but nothing that comes close to hating him like they seem to do in the future.

We could find that out next week...But I'm not so sure its Locke either. It could be Ben...How many aliases does he have? After all the b.s. that he's pulled and living on the island almost his whole life, no one would be at his funeral. Jack may have come to some realization that Ben was right about him not having anything to come back to and Jack felt compelled to go. But I don't know where the teenage son would fit in to the story. This will be either a great mystery revealed, or a complete ball-dropping extravaganza depending on who is in the box.

[AshIsLostNLovinIt]

All I can say, is:
If it is Locke- Big Bummer
if it is Ben -Really Huge Big Bummer
And if it is Michael- Eh bummed a bit....
Either way this is no bueno.

[ortrules]

I don't think it's a bad as everyone thinks. You have to remember, this funeral doesn't take place until sometime in mid to late 2007 and the present time is December 2004/January 2005.

So regardless of who is in that coffin they will still be on the show in present time.

[OZO]

i dont think its michael or ben b/c they r oceanic 815 passengers. considering that there r survivors it would be contrevertial to find someone other than the oceanic 6. i dont think there is enough info for us to evaluate who it is

[Brother Desmond]

i dont think its michael or ben b/c they r oceanic 815 passengers. considering that there r survivors it would be contrevertial to find someone other than the oceanic 6. i dont think there is enough info for us to evaluate who it is

Do you mean Michael or Locke? Ben was not a passenger of 815.

I also noticed this is your first post. Welcome to the forum brotha.

[cheapshot11b]

technically, mike is not 1 of the O6, therefore not an 815 passenger.

so, he can't be dismissed b/c it might ruin the O6 cover story.

[cheapshot11b]

I was thinking for Jack to be as upset as he was and to want to kill himself after reading the article about the person dying - it had to be someone of significant importance to him. At first I thought it might be someone he loved.

But I realized the reason he is so upset is the significance of the person in the coffin being dead. It was more of a message to him rather than him being upset for a loss. I think the fact that the person was dead meant something went wrong with the others that were left on the island. Since we all know Ben is alive and well, Im sure the person in the coffin is Locke.

if Locke's death signifies problems on the Island, wouldn't this make Kate equally upset? If it's bad enough to push Jack to base jumping without a parachute, Kate would have been interested imo.

She has close ties to the losties that stayed...


good ideas stewardess:)

[Brother Desmond]

technically, mike is not 1 of the O6, therefore not an 815 passenger.

Michael is not considered a passenger of 815 because he isn't a member of the 06? I don't get that.

[ortrules]

Michael is not considered a passenger of 815 because he isn't a member of the 06? I don't get that.

Only the 06 are Oceanic passengers. Everyone else is dead, supposedly.

[notsolost42]

What if it's really Christian Shepard? Jack already buried him, twice. He was visually shaken by the obit. I can't think of who else had a son, other than Michael. Locke didn't have a son that we know of.
If he was really alive on the island (see my post) then somehow he got back he would definitely be freaked out and suicidal. He was an drunk to start with. I could see him hanging himself after all of that.

[Brother Desmond]

Only the 06 are Oceanic passengers. Everyone else is dead, supposedly.

Right, but Michael was on the manifest for 815. So he was a passenger on 815.

[ortrules]

Right, but Michael was on the manifest for 815. So he was a passenger on 815.

Right, but as we've already seen, Michael and Walt have lived off the island under different identities. While we, the viewers, know he was a passenger, nobody else would unless they did some extensive research on him.

[Brother Desmond]

Right, but as we've already seen, Michael and Walt have lived off the island under different identities. While we, the viewers, know he was a passenger, nobody else would unless they did some extensive research on him.

I forgot about the different identities for Michael and Walt, thanks ort.

[ortrules]

What if it's really Christian Shepard? Jack already buried him, twice. He was visually shaken by the obit. I can't think of who else had a son, other than Michael. Locke didn't have a son that we know of.
If he was really alive on the island (see my post) then somehow he got back he would definitely be freaked out and suicidal. He was an drunk to start with. I could see him hanging himself after all of that.

The obituary was just a prop and not meant to be read. I believe the producers have even stated so, and that it will be rewritten for the next time it's shown (presumably for the season finale)

[notsolost42]

Prop or not, it affected that episode. It has a place and a purpose. If they let that much of the obit show I don't see how they can just take it back and say, oops, it was a mistake and we didn't mean it.

[ortrules]

Prop or not, it affected that episode. It has a place and a purpose. If they let that much of the obit show I don't see how they can just take it back and say, oops, it was a mistake and we didn't mean it.

See, I don't think it was meant to be read. I posted this in another thread, but the only "readable" part of the obit was a second long clip that showed Jack holding it and it was slightly bent backwards. The text was not readable in any way, and the only reason it became readable was because people screen capped it and manipulated it with Photoshop to make it readable.

It's similar to how they didn't cast the role of Jacob so they just used the prop guy as a temporary stand-in when he appeared for a brief moment the first time.

[ortrules]

Here is a full-size screen capture of the obituary that is "readable"
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/3x22-glass1098.jpg

If you can read what that says, then fine, I concede that it was on purpose. But the only words I can make out are "man found" and "downtown"

[notsolost42]

Alas, it's true we will never really see Jacob. I know, I read that also...the eye! So, if it was just a prop then and we really don't know what it said then what? I'm gonna go back and look at exactly what was shown and not photo shopped in. It still doesn't rule out that it was Christian though, does it?

[ortrules]

See my previous post for a screen capture.

And yes, if it really is just a prop, it could be anybody. I believe that they wanted us fanatics to be able to read "man found," as it is slightly readable. So I would contend it's going to be a guy.

My guesses have always been Locke or Ben.

[addictedtopainmeds]

Here is a full-size screen capture of the obituary that is "readable"
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/3x22-glass1098.jpg

If you can read what that says, then fine, I concede that it was on purpose. But the only words I can make out are "man found" and "downtown"

are you sure it says 'man found downtown' or does it say 'man found drown'

[My3kGT]

Intersting theory but at this point I doubt that Jack would be that upset over Locke dying either, especially sinc he has already put a gun to Locke's head and pulled the trigger. Further, I believe Jack's downward spiral has more to do with Kate and the Oceraci 6 coverup than whoever is in the coffin.

I still vote for Michael being inside.

[ortrules]

are you sure it says 'man found downtown' or does it say 'man found drown'

I think it resembles "downtown" but it could be drown. Don't know for sure.

[notsolost42]

It was definitely "Man found downtown". I think Jack's spiral was a combination of survivor guilt and maybe yes, Christian in the coffin.

[Turnip Queen]

I'm really praying it's Michael! Kill Ben and you lose the best character ever seen on TV. And with Jack 'the leader' gone back home, Sawyer is the strongest that's left, but Locke is the only other one who can see Jacob, so if he's taking Ben's place, then I'd assume someone has to be left to talk to Jacob while Ben is gone. God I change my mind on this every day!

[Turnip Queen]

MY first thought last year was Locke, then I thought maybe Ben. IMO Jack's upset because his hopes of getting back to the island died with whomever is in the coffin and at this point those hopes lie with Locke or Ben, but probably Locke. I forgot that LOST isn't on this week. I have a feeling that it's going to be tough to avoid spoilers until then. :(



It was not an child's casket and if it upset Jack I'd assume it would upset Kate as well. Kate was most uninterested in attending the viewing. :rolleyes:

It is SO hard to know! I don't know if Jack would be crying over Michael either.
Let's go through why certain people could or could not be in the coffin:

Ben: He could be in the coffin because it looks like the Oceanic 6 have no way of finding their way back to the island.

He may not be in the coffin because he and Widmore can't kill each other. Because he always has a plan. And because he's not survived by a teenage son.

Locke: He could be in the coffin because the island is sick of him and needs a sacrifice.

He could not be in the coffin because he is Ben's replacement talker to Jacob while Ben is off the island and also because he's special and a leader of the remaining people there.

Michael: Could be in the coffin because it says he was survived by a teenage son, and because he wants to die.

Sawyer: Could be in the coffin because he's transitioned and amended a lot of his bad habits.

Could not be in the coffin because Jack wouldn't be so angry at Kate for doing him a favour if she was doing it for a dead man.

[ortrules]

TQ, remember that the coffin doesn't happen until mid to late 2007 and the present time is around Dec 2004 or Jan 2005. This means that regardless of who is in the coffin, they will continue to be on the show until they die in a few years. By that time, the show will be over.

[Michael]

So if Locke is in the coffin, he would most likely be resurrected towards the end of Lost.

[Brother Desmond]

That is what its sounding like. If it is Locke sounds like Jack (and if he can get anyone else) will bring him back with the intention of reviving him.

[ortrules]

That is what its sounding like. If it is Locke sounds like Jack (and if he can get anyone else) will bring him back with the intention of reviving him.

Right. But don't forget he'll still be alive for 2 years in the present time. It's very likely that we'll see the present time of him on the island and then flash forwards of the six trying to get back to the island.

So by no means will he be leaving the show.

[GodlessM]

The John Lantham article was rewritten for the finale so we
can't make that deduction but without this info I would have said
the same thing as you.

THere has been alot of controversy across the net about the latest
DarkUFO spoiler and its looking like that section of it could be foiler.
So I wouldn't say for sure just yet.

And to whoever said "it is Locke!" How do you know this?
A spoiler is the only thing pointing that way now, and they are not always
accurate.

[Brother Desmond]

Right. But don't forget he'll still be alive for 2 years in the present time. It's very likely that we'll see the present time of him on the island and then flash forwards of the six trying to get back to the island.

So by no means will he be leaving the show.

I completely agree brotha. That's why I wouldn't be upset to see Locke in the casket, or know he is the one in it.

I'd be more worried about what caused him to be off the Island.

[GodlessM]

I have to agree with you there, I'm more concerned though with
other rumours floating around about what would happen next.

And there was a rumour a few months ago from Hawaii that Terry
O'Quinn was leaving the show following the S4 finale.

[ai2301]

Here is a full-size screen capture of the obituary that is "readable"
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/3x22-glass1098.jpg

If you can read what that says, then fine, I concede that it was on purpose.

I can't read that one but I can definately read this one:

http://images.lostpedia.com/images/d/d4/Newspaperclipping2.jpg

IMO if it were only a prop they wouldn't have even shown it that closely and it wouldn't have even needed to be about a death, it could have been about something random. Hard to believe that they wouldn't expect it to be scrutinized as much as it has been- people are looking at everything.
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[Brother Desmond]

And there was a rumour a few months ago from Hawaii that Terry O'Quinn was leaving the show following the S4 finale.

Really? I didn't hear that one.

[mattt]

Maybe its not an Oceanic person. Maybe it is Daniel or Miles. They too could possible get off the island, and Kate did not really care for either of them therfore not going to his funeral. I also figure daniel doesnt have much friends or family therfore because hes a crazy person.
Im finding it very difficult to see Locke in the coffin and i do not nessesarily beleive the spoliers.

[Turnip Queen]

TQ, remember that the coffin doesn't happen until mid to late 2007 and the present time is around Dec 2004 or Jan 2005. This means that regardless of who is in the coffin, they will continue to be on the show until they die in a few years. By that time, the show will be over.

Oh I forgot about that! Thank you! If it's at the end of the show it won't be so bad!

[ortrules]

I can't read that one but I can definately read this one:

http://images.lostpedia.com/images/d/d4/Newspaperclipping2.jpg

IMO if it were only a prop they wouldn't have even shown it that closely and it wouldn't have even needed to be about a death, it could have been about something random. Hard to believe that they wouldn't expect it to be scrutinized as much as it has been- people are looking at everything.

That's because that image on Lostpedia was manipulated in Photoshop!!! You have to look at the screen capture, not some photo someone manipulated because they think they're some forensic scientist. There is a HUGE different between what is meant to be read, and what's not meant to be read.

Meant to be read:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x05/normal_constant427.jpg
Not meant to be read:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1098.jpg

If that was meant to be read, you would have been able to read it when they showed it on TV.

[Lost Down Under]

Could it be Vincent in the coffin? I mean, he's pretty small, could die rather easily, and, lets be honest here, how many people would go to a dog's funeral? Maybe Jack is so crazy on drugs and booze that he's really lost his grip on everything.