Room 23

[lost_in_iowa]

What is up with room 23? We have not seen it since Karl was in it & Sawyer/Kate/Alex saved him.

Does anyone have a way to get the screen caps from the "brain washing" video of which Karl was watching? When he awoke, he was saying, "Danny". Hmmm, is Alex really Danielle? Did Ben keep the "old" Danielle in captivity away from her "other" self?

Are the "others" just version of other people? We've said cloning before but I'm wondering again?

[stargazer]

What is up with room 23? We have not seen it since Karl was in it & Sawyer/Kate/Alex saved him.

Does anyone have a way to get the screen caps from the "brain washing" video of which Karl was watching? When he awoke, he was saying, "Danny". Hmmm, is Alex really Danielle? Did Ben keep the "old" Danielle in captivity away from her "other" self?

Are the "others" just version of other people? We've said cloning before but I'm wondering again?
I'd have to watch that back. He wasn't saying "Annie" was he?

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[boutte]

Thanks Xeno. Makes you wonder if the Others have all been brainwashed.

[Meditate]

When Karl was in the boat he says "Danny" to Sawyer. Sawyer replies "no, Sawyer" then Karl motions with his head and repeats "Danny". Danny is the gun toting other that Juliet shoots right before she lets them go back to their island.

[Jon]

I personally don't think the video is brain-washing. I think what it's doing is 're-conditioning' the 'lesser' others. In a sense, it's opening their minds as to the potential of the islands power, and breaking them free of societal conditioning.

For example, the subliminal message that mentions ''only fools are bound by time and space'', seems to me to be trying to gear them towards and understanding of time travel.

When these subliminal messages take effect and open their minds, the others are able to manipulate the island's powers like a 'chi force' (like Ben, Richard, Mikhail, Ethan, Juliet, Harper etc).

Maybe it's only the close-minded/cynical others that room 23 is used on. Maybe the one's who are inherently spiritual/in tune don't even need to subject themselves to the reconditiong.

Just my theory anyway. I think 'cult' style brainwashing isn't their style.

[lost_in_iowa]

The meaning of the clips which were shown to us in the episode of the brainwashing video tells me that inventions of our recent times have caused problems in our lives. It looks like inventions and technology seems to be the main idea.
I saw a bird's nest with cigarettes in it, that weird symbol which has also been seen on the Oceanic plane, steel industry, Earth, relgion/karma, inventions of cars or speedometers, females image/culture, currency/coins, drafting compass, heating, evolution of from a piano to an electronic one, kaleidoscope, insects/fish (pollution?), motor/engine mechanics, and prob some more.....

meanings?

[Diamond Girl]

When Karl was in the boat he says "Danny" to Sawyer. Sawyer replies "no, Sawyer" then Karl motions with his head and repeats "Danny". Danny is the gun toting other that Juliet shoots right before she lets them go back to their island.


Also known as Pickett.

[GodlessM]

You seem to have missed abit lostiniowa.

He says Danny refering to Danny Pickett to warn Sawyer
that he is behind him.

We've also seen that Walt was put in Room23.

There has no confirmation that we will see the room again.

[Diamond Girl]

I want a Room 23 in my house. Make people think they're trippin' on acid. LOL.

[lost_in_iowa]

You seem to have missed abit lostiniowa.

He says Danny refering to Danny Pickett to warn Sawyer
that he is behind him.

We've also seen that Walt was put in Room23.

There has no confirmation that we will see the room again.

Thanks for the clarification, Godless. There was a quick snippett of the room in Season 3 and yes, we know there are only a couple people who have visited this room.

The reason for the napping of Karl & Walt to go into this room is what I want to know. Is there a possibility Claire has been into this room? Is this where the flashes derive from? It obviously is to give the person who gets the viewing pleasure the opinion that our technology has warped our world. Maybe it is to give the "future scientist" the revelation they need to help save the world?

[Brother Desmond]

Thanks for the clarification, Godless. There was a quick snippett of the room in Season 3 and yes, we know there are only a couple people who have visited this room.

The reason for the napping of Karl & Walt to go into this room is what I want to know. Is there a possibility Claire has been into this room? Is this where the flashes derive from? It obviously is to give the person who gets the viewing pleasure the opinion that our technology has warped our world. Maybe it is to give the "future scientist" the revelation they need to help save the world?

I don't think Claire was ever in Room 23. From what we have seen of Room 23, it isn't used to wipe someone's memories, it is used to "re-program" them in a sense.

Once Claire started remembering what happened to her, we see that Ethan kept her heavily sedated the entire time, the reason (imo), she didn't remember what Ethan had done to her.

[lost_in_iowa]

I don't think Claire was ever in Room 23. From what we have seen of Room 23, it isn't used to wipe someone's memories, it is used to "re-program" them in a sense.

Once Claire started remembering what happened to her, we see that Ethan kept her heavily sedated the entire time, the reason (imo), she didn't remember what Ethan had done to her.

It seems like it is a reprogramming or it is instilling a thought process in a person. They have chosen young people who, IMO, would not have a thought either way on issues. This is another way to micromanage people to do whatever their initiative seems to be, whether it's for the Others, DI, Ben or the Hostiles. The message is clear, to me, that they want rm 23 ppl to "feel" a certain way about certain issues to implement a plan. Not sure why those two were chosen or what their purpose is yet.

[Brother Desmond]

It seems like it is a reprogramming or it is instilling a thought process in a person. They have chosen young people who, IMO, would not have a thought either way on issues. This is another way to micromanage people to do whatever their initiative seems to be, whether it's for the Others, DI, Ben or the Hostiles. The message is clear, to me, that they want rm 23 ppl to "feel" a certain way about certain issues to implement a plan. Not sure why those two were chosen or what their purpose is yet.

I agree with you there, and I think Walt was sent there becasue The Others knew he was special and they wanted him to "understand" their purpose. Because they kidnapped Walt and left his father for dead they knew he wouldn't willingly cooperate, thus room 23 was needed.

Karl was sent to room 23 by Ben for his attempted escape, and also because Ben discovered Karl was sleeping with Alex, so he (Ben), was trying to protect Alex.