Some things not mentioned...

[XmasDVD]

No one has mentioned these things yet in discussion:

1. Jin dying on the freighter (man, Sun was screaming!)
2. Christian 'releasing' Michael to die (he can let go)
3. The picture of the losties being rescued by fishermen was *REAL*

[LOSTLOST]

yes i thought it was interesting when christian said he can go now, like christain controlled his fate. was he speaking in behave of the island or jacob?

[XmasDVD]

yes i thought it was interesting when christian said he can go now, like christain controlled his fate. was he speaking in behave of the island or jacob?

..yep he is Jacob's 'representitive' (unless he is Jacob with Christian's face on)

[ortrules]

I'm still somewhat in doubt of Jin's fate. I mean, there's a 80 to 90% chance he's really dead. But you never know with this show.

[suzisunshine1]

I can not believe that they killed off Jin like that??? I was horrified. He missed the chopper by 7 seconds. Oh man. That was awful. Poor Sun.

My question regarding Sun is what is she doing talking to Widmore? What sort of deal/business/chat does she want to have with him?

[Missie]

I hate to do this, because I know everyone hates the person that wont except a characters death, but I still think Jin is alive. He could have jumped in the water in time, with a life vest. And possibly got moved with the island?

[ortrules]

I hate to do this, because I know everyone hates the person that wont except a characters death, but I still think Jin is alive. He could have jumped in the water in time, with a life vest. And possibly got moved with the island?

Well, that was how I first thought about it. But I doubt he would've been able to get to the island before it moved.

Though I do want to think that Jin survived the explosion - that would just leave him in the water. But I really hope he is still alive.

[LiveForLost]

Sun's screaming had me bawling. That was so sad.....

[lost_in_iowa]

The show has me still up in arms. Like the rest of you, I cannot accept Jin or Locke being "dead". It looks as though, if the 6 can return it will change the fate on the island. it's almost like the storyline is taking a reckless turn. We can conclude there is time travel and other bizarre scenarios, but just what they have in store is beyond me. Sun deserves an Academy Award for that acting, BTW! What a scene........

[addictedtopainmeds]

Well, that was how I first thought about it. But I doubt he would've been able to get to the island before it moved.

Though I do want to think that Jin survived the explosion - that would just leave him in the water. But I really hope he is still alive.

hey, don't forget that daniel was heading toward the freighter...

[ortrules]

hey, don't forget that daniel was heading toward the freighter...

Yea, his fate's up in the air too. Did he move with the island? Did he get out in time?

But assuming he made it off in time, that's a very good point.

[davesmomster]

I think the big mystery is what happened to the people on the raft heading to the freightor when it blew up and the island moved.

[Missie]

The show has me still up in arms. Like the rest of you, I cannot accept Jin or Locke being "dead". It looks as though, if the 6 can return it will change the fate on the island. it's almost like the storyline is taking a reckless turn. We can conclude there is time travel and other bizarre scenarios, but just what they have in store is beyond me. Sun deserves an Academy Award for that acting, BTW! What a scene........

I know Sun did a great job! I was in tears!

[mahalo_dude]

I wonder what Micheal was thinking when Christian appeared. "Who's this punk-ass honky?"

[lost_in_iowa]

I wonder what Micheal was thinking when Christian appeared. "Who's this punk-ass honky?"

Why did they have Christian appear in that scene? Have we ever experienced death through the eyes of a character before? Usually we are looking on but not through the perspective of the person who dies.

[notpenny]

I have to think there are 2 people responsible for Jin's death (Sun to her father after she bought a huge share, Mr Paik being one of them) Possibly Jack or Ben or Locke or Widmore being the second. She could be luring Widmore in for the kill or using Widmore to get to someone else or both.

[coffefrap]

I need to re-watch the episode again, but I was wondering if anyone was able to tell if it was "just the island" that was moved, or did the island and surrounding water move with it....does that make sense? If it does, then maybe Daniel and the people in the boat were in a close enough proximity to the island to move with it......and possibly Jin, "IF" and this is a big "IF" he was close enough to the back of the freighter to be able to jump and get in the water.....so was it "just" the island that moved or the island AND surrounding waters?

[Dharma Initiate 815]

I am curious about that too. Cause if they moved the surrounding water it is possible that the other raft got moved with the island.

[LiveForLost]

No one has mentioned these things yet in discussion:

1. Jin dying on the freighter (man, Sun was screaming!)
2. Christian 'releasing' Michael to die (he can let go)
3. The picture of the losties being rescued by fishermen was *REAL*

Also... I haven't seen anyone say anything about Walt visiting Hurley and their discussion about being watched and Hurley's admission of what really happened back there at the island. Granted, Walt knows about the island, but I can't imagine it's a good thing that he knows more detail than the general public.

[ortrules]

Also not mentioned, the was an e! online interview with the producers and they were talking about Claire and "what is dead"

One of them said: "I think the more operative question is "What is dead?" That's a good question to ask, and one you will certainly be asking over the long hiatus."

I thought for sure that meant we were going to learn more about Claire, Christian, and "dead people" walking the island.

Read the full interview here (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=30ea40d8-c950-4ae6-af8e-3c7cd60d6384)

[mob1025]

We also have to remember that they were only able to get to the island from the freighter by going a certain way. Which leads me to believe that the water around the island to a certain point will move with the island.

[foxrn]

wow i interpreted the michael/christian thing totally differently...

I thought when christian appeared and said "you can go now", I thought he meant "Michael you can stop watching the bomb and go" (attempt to escape), and I (christian) will supernaturally watch the bomb and hold it off from exploding until you have had time to get away...

I am hoping michael and Jin are not dead, but jumped into the water in time...
and even if they got injured, the island does have healing properties...
I am thinking michael survived because of what hurley said to walt (they are lying to protect the ones they left behind...like your dad)

[cheapshot11b]

i saw the raft floating once the Island disappeared as the chopper flew over and began to crash...

but now i'm starting to doubt since none else saw it????

[boutte]

The fact that they didn't see anyone in the water seems like a bad sign for Jin. I guess it's possible that he was in the water and maybe even was able to reach Daniel's boat, but would boat have been close enough to be sucked up with the Island? Did the surrounding waters also move or just the Island it's self?

Some thing tells me we may be discussing this for a while. (for the next 8 months?)

[Kilaria]

I have to think there are 2 people responsible for Jin's death (Sun to her father after she bought a huge share, Mr Paik being one of them) Possibly Jack or Ben or Locke or Widmore being the second. She could be luring Widmore in for the kill or using Widmore to get to someone else or both.


i can't remember which scene it was but i believe Sun said she blamed Jack or she told him to his face i just can't remember my head is still spinnig from last night.

at least i was given good dreams of Sawyer coming out of the water

[boutte]

I am hoping michael and Jin are not dead, but jumped into the water in time...


Jin might have a chance but I don't think Michael is still alive. He was standing right next to C4 when it went off. He's about as dead as they come.

[Lost4Words]

i can't remember which scene it was but i believe Sun said she blamed Jack or she told him to his face i just can't remember my head is still spinnig from last night.


I, too, believe Jack is the other person Sun blames for Jin's death, even though I think Jin probably miraculously survived the explosion.

[Lost4Words]

I don't think Michael is still alive. He was standing right next to C4 when it went off. He's about as dead as they come.

No doubt. I definitely think Christian was telling Michael his obligation was fulfilled and he was free to die.

[mob1025]

Jin might have a chance but I don't think Michael is still alive. He was standing right next to C4 when it went off. He's about as dead as they come.


But, I do believe he will be one of the walking dead on the island in future episodes. So I don't think he is gone.

[boutte]

But, I do believe he will be one of the walking dead on the island in future episodes. So I don't think he is gone.
Gone, maybe not, definitely dead though.
It's also interesting that Christian appears to be able to materialize whenever and where ever he wants.

[kateisgr8t]

Jin and Locke are really dead. However, when Jack convinces everyone to go back to the island I believe will undo everything and bring Locke and Jin (maybe even Boone, Shannon. etc.) back to life.

[Shangri-La]

I think the big mystery is what happened to the people on the raft heading to the freightor when it blew up and the island moved.

i think not only the island was moved but all the water around it including the smaller hydra island

[Price]

i think not only the island was moved but all the water around it including the smaller hydra island

The other island would have had to move to. Frank couldn't find it when he needed a place to land.

Did anyone notice that when Sawyer got to the beach, and he and Juliette watched the boat smoking, the helicopter was nowhere in sight?

[beachblinkette]

I really like the idea that the island and its surrounding sea and sky (like its encapsulated in a bubble) was moved. There's a chance that the raft, and Jin's possible last minute jump into the water, could have been swept up in the move. The entity that is the island doesn't let people (or their spirits?) go until they have fulfilled their duty to it. Christian is seeming more and more like an indestructible spirit/guide/angel/ who has no other purpose than to lead people to their destiny. Even if they leave the island, he can appear to them. Why can't he talk to his son? That's a big question for me. Maybe he's reached some plateau where personal ties are secondary to whatever his task is.
And how is it that The Others now seem so much like children that need to be led? Do they know about the wheel? Are they out of the loop on that score?

[scwag10]

Remember when Jack is talking about how hard it would be to get everyone back together at the end of the season finale? Well he alludes to the fact that Sun blames him.

He says, "and Sun she bla....(he trails off, he is drunk)"

[suzisunshine1]

Price-i did notice that Juliet and Sawyer didn't see the chopper and I thought that was odd.

And I do think that all of the islands would have had to move and that they little boat must have gone, too, otherwise they would have seen it as they flew from the freighter to the island.

[Dzbabykel]

Yah I'm hoping Jin somehow got thrown off the freighter or jumped and survived, I don't want him dead yet! The only thing that sucks is there is no way he would make it back to the shore of the island before it disappeared sooo maybe (if he is alive) he found Faraday's life boat and may end up back in the "real world". Sun did a GREAT acting job too, man that was brutal!!!

And I also thought it was cool that they showed how the picture of them being rescued by the fisherman came to life. I was wondering how they would show that, it was so cool how they tied everything together in the end.

I still can't believe Aaron survived the helicopter crash into the water!! That baby can survive anything!

[silverana]

SO um how does walt's grandma explain him? Say he missed the plane or what I mean for reals

[buchy2009]

I want Jin to be dead... not because I didn't like his character but because I think it would be pretty ridiculous if he survived that explosion. It would be like a soap opera character coming back from their 5th coma... I also think the plot requires Sun and Sayid to have lost a loved one to move the story forward. Jin dying acts as a catalyst because it gives Sun motivation to do things like make deals with Whidmore. I feel like if he would have survived, Locke would have communicated it Sun when he came to the mainland before he died...

[thelawgiver]

Anyone on the deck of the freighter may have a fighting chance of survival (including Jin and many Lostie extras who were putting on life vests). Also, Daniel and his Lostie extras are somewhere between the island and the frieghter. So the real question is: can they survive without being near any land mass? Hard to believe unless the island did not move, but had only disappeared for a time and will return.
Another question is: who's left alive on the island? Locke, Richard and the Others, Juliette, Sawyer, Miles, Charlotte, presumably Bernard and Rose, Claire (?), and perhaps a handful of Lostie extras. The island population is certainly diminishing.

[thelawgiver]

Yah I'm hoping Jin somehow got thrown off the freighter or jumped and survived, I don't want him dead yet! The only thing that sucks is there is no way he would make it back to the shore of the island before it disappeared sooo maybe (if he is alive) he found Faraday's life boat and may end up back in the "real world". Sun did a GREAT acting job too, man that was brutal!!!

And I also thought it was cool that they showed how the picture of them being rescued by the fisherman came to life. I was wondering how they would show that, it was so cool how they tied everything together in the end.

I still can't believe Aaron survived the helicopter crash into the water!! That baby can survive anything!

The Aaron stuff is still ridiculous. When did anyone give him any food? Or change his diaper? He crahes in a helicopter and is floating in a raft on the ocean in the dead of night. Aww look, he's sleeping like an angel. No he's not, he's gone into a coma from malnutrition.

[Dzbabykel]

The Aaron stuff is still ridiculous. When did anyone give him any food? Or change his diaper? He crahes in a helicopter and is floating in a raft on the ocean in the dead of night. Aww look, he's sleeping like an angel. No he's not, he's gone into a coma from malnutrition.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! I know right?!

[Snape]

Gone, maybe not, definitely dead though.
It's also interesting that Christian appears to be able to materialize whenever and where ever he wants.

Bingo. I was pretty convinced (and am still holding on to the idea) that "Christian" was just a manifestation of the Monster (come on, he's been Yemi before, and even perhaps Harper, and one other I can't recall - I think Walt).

This blows that totally out of the water because that would mean the Monster could:

a.) Travel over water
b.) Teleport

or perhaps

c.) Have stowed away unnoticed on the helicopter?

[Dzbabykel]

Also regarding Aaron, did anyone else notice that the color of his blanket changed like 3 times?? Haha not a big deal, just a mistake they made....its dark blue when Sawyer hands him over to Kate, its baby blue when Kate is holding him on the island and hands him over to Sun, its dark blue again when Sun and Aaron get on the freighter and I believe it changes once more and back again when they are floating in the ocean. Haha and the whole time he's never crying, miracle baby!! :p

[buchy2009]

Bingo. I was pretty convinced (and am still holding on to the idea) that "Christian" was just a manifestation of the Monster (come on, he's been Yemi before, and even perhaps Harper, and one other I can't recall - I think Walt).

This blows that totally out of the water because that would mean the Monster could:

a.) Travel over water
b.) Teleport

or perhaps

c.) Have stowed away unnoticed on the helicopter?

If the monster could do all those things, why did it have to chase people and why did they get away??? Also, why did it not kill Mr. Ecko the first time when he was strong? I feel like the monster is much less powerful than you give it credit for.

[thelawgiver]

If the monster could do all those things, why did it have to chase people and why did they get away??? Also, why did it not kill Mr. Ecko the first time when he was strong? I feel like the monster is much less powerful than you give it credit for.

If the monster manifests, why does it do so as people that the person would not know?

For example:

Michael did not know Christian (why not manifest as Walt? "Dad, you can go now" or Ms. Clue)

Locke did not know Christian (or was this purposeful for Claire being present).

Instances of knowing maifestations

Kate's horse
Chriatian/Jack
Locke/Boone
Locke/Walt
Ecko/Yemi
Etc.

[lost_in_iowa]

I noticed there was much attention to Ben's eyes and the whispers in the woods and such when Ben was helping the Losties at the end. Are we supposed to think his mind gives the powers or can control those "security" systems?

[Snape]

Also, Christian/Claire (few episodes ago - well, this is highly probable, not confirmed).

Yeah, I don't get it either. I WAS pretty convinced about it and now I'm just not.

[XmasDVD]

When everyone (main characters) were scrambling to get on the Helo- how come all the background people were running around with life vests on?

Heck - Desmond ran up to warn the helo not to land because of the C4 but he ran past several 'extras' and didn't bother to warn them at all..

not too nice...

[Robbie86]

Did anyone notice how the others where "duplicates" of the Oceanic 815 survivors? Watch that scene again and you'll know what I mean.

[Kerleyman]

If the monster manifests, why does it do so as people that the person would not know?

For example:

Michael did not know Christian (why not manifest as Walt? "Dad, you can go now" or Ms. Clue)

Locke did not know Christian (or was this purposeful for Claire being present).

Instances of knowing maifestations

Kate's horse
Chriatian/Jack
Locke/Boone
Locke/Walt
Ecko/Yemi
Etc.

I think that these manifestations were actually Jacob. I think that jacob can become whoever he wants to in order to communicate with the Losties. He finds things that mean something to the person from their past.

Just some food for thought.