There is no way the island moved before

[armaan.torabi]

Someone had mentioned that the island had been moved b4, but if Ben had to blow up "the vault" in order to movie the island. Then it couldn't have been moved before, unless it was before the Vault was built which i doubt

[davesmomster]

Good point, I hadn't thought about that. But then how did Ben know the donkey wheel even existed and what to do with it. He knew it would be cold too. I think maybe the island was moved before Dharma. Everything looks pretty old down there. Ben refers to Dharma's "silly" experiments.

[addictedtopainmeds]

Someone had mentioned that the island had been moved b4, but if Ben had to blow up "the vault" in order to movie the island. Then it couldn't have been moved before, unless it was before the Vault was built which i doubt

how could they know what even ben did would work if it was never done before?

[ortrules]

I was just thinking about this - and I wonder if moving the island acts like a giant reset switch.

Either that, or someone rebuilt the wall after it was moved the first time.

[Missie]

There could have been a different way to get down into the donkey wheel room.

[LostFreak21]

It was as if the Island has been built on top of another Island.

[suzisunshine1]

Ben said that whoever moves the island can't ever come back. That leads me to believe that it has been moved before. So, then the new question would be who moved it before? Widmore?

[Missie]

Ben said that whoever moves the island can't ever come back. That leads me to believe that it has been moved before. So, then the new question would be who moved it before? Widmore?

I think so!

[ortrules]

Ben said that whoever moves the island can't ever come back. That leads me to believe that it has been moved before. So, then the new question would be who moved it before? Widmore?

My guess is Widmore - and that's why he's so intent on finding the island again, and the reason he can't find it. Ben mentioned that if you move the island you can't ever come back.

[ortrules]

Duh! I just realized something. It's apparent that when you move the island you are transported to Tunisia - that's what happened to Ben. The last time the island was moved, they used a polar bear to turn the wheel. The polar bear turned the wheel, moved the island, and was transported to Tunisia - later to be found by Charlotte.

[REMilk]

Hmm.. Very Cold down by the donkey wheel... Polar Bears from earlier seasons, Polar Bears ibones and a Dharma insignia in Tunizia.

Maybe the Island was in Tunizia before?

Just food for thought.

Bob

[The_Hoff]

If you can never go back, how is Ben to go back with those who have to go back?

When moving the island, does that also mean all stations go back to working status? Does someone have to push buttons again?

[dumbwhitey]

didn't the same thing happen in the sky when desmond turned the key? maybe that moved the island into a position where widmore could find it, and now, ben just moved it back?

[howzit cuz?]

Maybe after the island is moved, everything in the Donkey wheel room returns to the way it was before. Meaning the glass,(ice?) ladder rung, and stone wall become unbroken. Ben had to know what to expect down there bc he brought the crowbar and jacket with him. Maybe...?

[Dzbabykel]

Yeah I still think the island has been moved before somehow, which could be why Widmore knows soo much about the island and also the only way Ben knew how to move it and what the consequences would be.

[howzit cuz?]

I just remembered that I meant to bring this up earlier. Let's say that the island was moved in the past, if it "rematerialized" somewhere else or in some other time, (even if only a slightly different time ) that could explain how the Black Rock ended up so far inland. I know that's not a recent subject, but I think we're gonna see some Widmore/Black Rock history in our future.

[islander]

Ben said that whoever moves the island can't ever come back. That leads me to believe that it has been moved before. So, then the new question would be who moved it before? Widmore?

Abbadon might have turned the wheel since he seems not to be able to get back to the island either, but he obviously knows a lot about the island.

[cheapshot11b]

Someone had mentioned that the island had been moved b4, but if Ben had to blow up "the vault" in order to movie the island. Then it couldn't have been moved before, unless it was before the Vault was built which i doubt


the vault was a Dharma project. like missie said another possible entrance.


you have to consider that the vault was built in order to utilize the " pocket of negative matter" or whatever.

The donkey wheel was there before the vault, so many tests are possible.
Kinda like how you would build an energy station next to a lake.... or civilizations crop up near rivers.

good call ORT

[winewaste]

when the island moved, i believe it was moved back in time. if it goes back in time then all the structures will be back in place, the hatch, barracks, etc.



I was just thinking about this - and I wonder if moving the island acts like a giant reset switch.

Either that, or someone rebuilt the wall after it was moved the first time.

[Snape]

Duh! I just realized something. It's apparent that when you move the island you are transported to Tunisia - that's what happened to Ben. The last time the island was moved, they used a polar bear to turn the wheel. The polar bear turned the wheel, moved the island, and was transported to Tunisia - later to be found by Charlotte.

I really really like the sound of this.

[ortrules]

I really really like the sound of this.

Me too! :D

If you think about it more, it makes sense. Dharma had a collection of polar bears (judging by the amount of cages they had) and it seems that a polar bear would be the only animal strong enough to turn the wheel and be able to withstand the cold climate of that area.

Maybe polar bears were used to test the success of moving the island - and that's how Ben and company knows how to do it.

[zwishmaster]

Me too! :D

If you think about it more, it makes sense. Dharma had a collection of polar bears (judging by the amount of cages they had) and it seems that a polar bear would be the only animal strong enough to turn the wheel and be able to withstand the cold climate of that area.

Maybe polar bears were used to test the success of moving the island - and that's how Ben and company knows how to do it.

ben is not strong as a polar bear

[cheapshot11b]

ya, good call ort
it's also a way to move the island without leaving...

now i wonder about Charolette. did she "earn" her way onto Widmore's freighter with info about the polar bear in tunisia? Maybe they did some reverse calculations to find the area/region???

[cheapshot11b]

ben is not strong as a polar bear
when he's full of rage he is...
i don't think he could kill a guy like keamy, but he unleashed the beast on him...


BTW, the tear on Ben's jacket was kinda not what anyone expected...clumsy!

[ortrules]

ben is not strong as a polar bear

Doesn't matter. You obviously don't need the strength of a polar bear - you just need to have some strength and resistance to cold weather. If that's the requirement, I take polar bears over penguins.

[zwishmaster]

when he's full of rage he is...
i don't think he could kill a guy like keamy, but he unleashed the beast on him...


BTW, the tear on Ben's jacket was kinda not what anyone expected...clumsy!

good point. he beat dat mercenary azz

[ortrules]

BTW, the tear on Ben's jacket was kinda not what anyone expected...clumsy!

Definitely not. My original thought was that Ben used the Orchid to teleport to Tunisia because he was being threatened and needed to leave the island fast. I didn't even think he had time traveled, just teleported.

Looks like I only got about 30% right with my theory.

[otherhater]

I was thinking that Widmore was the last person to move the island...since he is the main person looking for the island...maybe he moved the island last time and now he cant find it. Widmore may have been the original leader of the island.

[cheapshot11b]

Definitely not. My original thought was that Ben used the Orchid to teleport to Tunisia because he was being threatened and needed to leave the island fast. I didn't even think he had time traveled, just teleported.

Looks like I only got about 30% right with my theory.

I thought he was forced to make an emergency evacuation under dire straits like you. When the iced over ladder rung snapped, I was like...that's all!

[ortrules]

I thought he was forced to make an emergency evacuation under dire straits like you. When the iced over ladder rung snapped, I was like...that's all!

Yea, I was really bummed that that was it.

[Apocolypse]

What I want to know is this:

Why does Halliwax have a winter jacket in the locker if the vault Dharma built prohibits movement into the cold area?

[YourConstant]

Duh! I just realized something. It's apparent that when you move the island you are transported to Tunisia - that's what happened to Ben. The last time the island was moved, they used a polar bear to turn the wheel. The polar bear turned the wheel, moved the island, and was transported to Tunisia - later to be found by Charlotte.

whoa thats the deepest post i've read today..GOOD STUFF!

[Panda]

If you can never go back, how is Ben to go back with those who have to go back?

When moving the island, does that also mean all stations go back to working status? Does someone have to push buttons again?


I think it will go back to the status of how the Island was 10 months and 26 days before Ben turned the wheel. So yes Desmond will end up on the Island again poor guy.
No I am just making fun.

[lostNspace]

Doh !!!!!!

[zmoonchild]

Ben said whoever moves the island can never come back, and a lot of people on this post just blindly accept that as being fact. Need I remind everyone that Ben also said that he was born on the island, his name was Henry Gale and he was from Minnesota, that he had no idea what the smoke monster was, etc, etc, etc… and he’s even told Locke that he lies.

So why does everyone believe he’s telling the truth this time?
I didn’t believe him when he said can never come back. :p

[Panda]

Ben said whoever moves the island can never come back, and a lot of people on this post just blindly accept that as being fact. Need I remind everyone that Ben also said that he was born on the island, his name was Henry Gale and he was from Minnesota, that he had no idea what the smoke monster was, etc, etc, etc… and he’s even told Locke that he lies.

So why does everyone believe he’s telling the truth this time?
I didn’t believe him when he said can never come back. :p

Well maybe "some rules" say that the one that moves the Island is not allowed to go back.
But since Alex was shot, he claims that the rules were changed.
So he has not the intention to respect any rules...and he will certainly do anything to go back.
I still don't know what those rules ever were.

[mahalo_dude]

I'm guessing Ben will find a way to get back or already knows somehow. Maybe he can't get back yet but knows a way to communicate with Locke or Richard.

Or like zmoonchild said, Ben is outright lying.

And I like the idea about changing the rules.

[wecanbesaved]

Ben said whoever moves the island can never come back, and a lot of people on this post just blindly accept that as being fact. Need I remind everyone that Ben also said that he was born on the island, his name was Henry Gale and he was from Minnesota, that he had no idea what the smoke monster was, etc, etc, etc… and he’s even told Locke that he lies.

So why does everyone believe he’s telling the truth this time?
I didn’t believe him when he said can never come back. :p



I agree with this. I don't believe that Ben can't return to the island. To add the list of lies, he told Sayid he used Desmond's boat to get off the island, leaving Sayid to still believe that Locke and not Ben moved the island.

[wecanbesaved]

I'm guessing Ben will find a way to get back or already knows somehow. Maybe he can't get back yet but knows a way to communicate with Locke or Richard.

Or like zmoonchild said, Ben is outright lying.

And I like the idea about changing the rules.


Perhaps he is still in communication with Jacob.......

[kwatt99]

I'm guessing Ben will find a way to get back or already knows somehow. Maybe he can't get back yet but knows a way to communicate with Locke or Richard.

Or like zmoonchild said, Ben is outright lying.

And I like the idea about changing the rules.
I posit that Ben trying to convince Jack of the need to go back is Ben manipulating them so he can learn where the island is because, knowing that Ben can never go back, Widmore stashed Penny there so Ben couldn't kill her. As I've said in other threads, this theory bolsters my prediction that Des and Penny are Adam and Eve.

[Simms]

That might be why he wants the rest to come back,because if they go it allows him to go back as well. Or maybe Jacob asks him to do it in return for him being allowed back on the island.

[zebu97]

Speaking of the polar bears - wasn't Sawyer locked in a cage where they once kept bears and there were a series of trips he was to push, hit etc in a particular order to get a bear biscuit released? Was one of the contraptions a wheel to push/pull like the frozen donkey wheel?

I like the idea that they used the polar bears to turn the wheel and Dharma trained them in the cages to see what would happen? And I suppose in the little chamber they were running mini tests with the rabbits only releasing a little of the "negative energy" so as not to move the island.

Anyway - I also agree that Ben is NOT telling the truth about being able to get back. What is it about Ben that when he says something we all take it as truth but the fact is he has never ever been forthright with the truth until it became clear he was lying? I think Ben is lying to Locke because he doesn't want Locke to move the island and if Locke thinks he can never get back then he won't move it.

[gingergrant]

Duh! I just realized something. It's apparent that when you move the island you are transported to Tunisia - that's what happened to Ben. The last time the island was moved, they used a polar bear to turn the wheel. The polar bear turned the wheel, moved the island, and was transported to Tunisia - later to be found by Charlotte.

OMG! that seems so absoloutly right!
But maybe before when the DHARMA people moved the island it threw the bear to a colder place, so that's why they used a polar bear in the first place.. because the DHARMA people used a polar bear?