Clair and Jin

[Lust4Lost]

First let me talk about Claire here. What ever happened to her? I was reading on Lostpedia and they had coded her picture brown. Did they toss her character out?

Another thing I noticed on Lostpedia, Jins character I believe is coded brown. I'll have to check. So that is another thing that is in the air too. His death, no one seems to know if in fact he is dead or it's just a cover.

[ortrules]

Both characters are still questionable as to whether they are dead or alive. I believe 100% that Claire is alive, and I only hope Jin is alive.

[Islandjim]

As much as I hate to say this...Claire is dead. When she appeared to Kate in a dream (vision); that really sealed it. I don't think any of our Losties have ever had a dream or vision with someone who was alive at the time.

[CRAZAY]

We have seen Walt in vision.......

[notsolost42]

Both characters are still questionable as to whether they are dead or alive. I believe 100% that Claire is alive, and I only hope Jin is alive.

There are so many things that point to her death, not even including the explosion. Come on now. Her whole personna has changed. She lost her accent now when she spoke to Kate. She is not Claire. Or, she is Claire in a different dimension. A different version of herself. Remember, timespace is not linear! I keep shouting that out!

[Lust4Lost]

As much as I hate to say this...Claire is dead. When she appeared to Kate in a dream (vision); that really sealed it. I don't think any of our Losties have ever had a dream or vision with someone who was alive at the time.

If Claire is in fact dead, then how did she die? Not in the plain crash? We saw her give birth to Aaron on the beach. I am so confused about that. I guess we'll have to wait for the next installments. I hope those writers will have alot of ideas during their break from the show.

[Islandjim]

We have seen Walt in vision.......

you are right !!!!!

There may still be hope for her.

[cheapshot11b]

Remember, timespace is not linear! I keep shouting that out!

and we keep ignoring you!:p

just kidding, couldn't resist...

[sj256]

I think Claire is dead, however there are not any actual facts that support this.

Just because Miles was looking at her, doesn't mean a thing. As far as we know he could have been just trying to see her breast feed Aaron.

[ortrules]

There are so many things that point to her death, not even including the explosion. Come on now. Her whole personna has changed. She lost her accent now when she spoke to Kate. She is not Claire. Or, she is Claire in a different dimension. A different version of herself. Remember, timespace is not linear! I keep shouting that out!

Enjoy your vacation? I hope so, because we'll be arguing about this all summer, into the fall, and into the winter until January. :D

When she "appeared" to Kate, Kate was having a dream. If she had appeared to Kate like Christian appeared to Jack, then I would concede she's dead - but she didn't.

[ortrules]

I don't think any of our Losties have ever had a dream or vision with someone who was alive at the time.

Locke saw Walt.
Boone saw Shannon.
Claire had a dream searching for Aaron and ran into Locke.
Hurley saw Jin (next to a guy in a chicken suit)

[addictedtopainmeds]

If Claire is in fact dead, then how did she die? Not in the plain crash? We saw her give birth to Aaron on the beach. I am so confused about that. I guess we'll have to wait for the next installments. I hope those writers will have alot of ideas during their break from the show.

she died when her house blew up

[ortrules]

she died when her house blew up

She woke up when Sawyer approached her, mumbled "Charlie" and held onto Sawyer while he carried her. Dead people don't do that...unless she's a zombie.

[hi5]

As much as I hate to say this...Claire is dead. When she appeared to Kate in a dream (vision); that really sealed it. I don't think any of our Losties have ever had a dream or vision with someone who was alive at the time.
not true...locke saw walt...

[mirizarry716]

If Claire is in fact dead, then how did she die? Not in the plain crash? We saw her give birth to Aaron on the beach. I am so confused about that. I guess we'll have to wait for the next installments. I hope those writers will have alot of ideas during their break from the show.

She died in the explosion. Or at least that's what I believe. It's almost impossible for anyone to what away from that explosion alive, better yet w/nothing more than a scratch. It's also the only reason, that makes sense, for her to abandon Aaron. Claire was so protective of Aaron, so it's hard for me to believe she would just leave him. Now she's w/her father (who's supposed to be dead) & he's also the man that she wanted no part of.

[addictedtopainmeds]

She woke up when Sawyer approached her, mumbled "Charlie" and held onto Sawyer while he carried her. Dead people don't do that...unless she's a zombie.

everything changed about her after the explosion. that is where she died. she could be like her father now, possessed by something or someone else...

[Brother Desmond]

She died in the explosion. Or at least that's what I believe. It's almost impossible for anyone to what away from that explosion alive, better yet w/nothing more than a scratch. It's also the only reason, that makes sense, for her to abandon Aaron. Claire was so protective of Aaron, so it's hard for me to believe she would just leave him. Now she's w/her father (who's supposed to be dead) & he's also the man that she wanted no part of.

Sawyer was just as close to the house as Claire was during the explosion. If Claire is dead, Sawyer is dead.

[addictedtopainmeds]

Sawyer was just as close to the house as Claire was during the explosion. If Claire is dead, Sawyer is dead.

claire was in the house, sawyer was outside the house. what do you mean 'just as close'?

[Brother Desmond]

claire was in the house, sawyer was outside the house. what do you mean 'just as close'?

I think Claire was standing by the clothes-line that is near the house. If she was in the house there would have been no body to recover.

[addictedtopainmeds]

I think Claire was standing by the clothes-line that is near the house. If she was in the house there would have been no body to recover.

was it ever mentioned that she was outside before the explosion?

[sj256]

She woke up when Sawyer approached her, mumbled "Charlie" and held onto Sawyer while he carried her. Dead people don't do that...unless she's a zombie.

Charlie slapped Hurley. Is he a Zombie too?

[Brother Desmond]

was it ever mentioned that she was outside before the explosion?

No, it was never mentioned. That is just my opinion. I could be completely wrong, but my initial reaction was that she wasn't in the house, but near it.

[cheapshot11b]

our troops survive RPG attacks in Iraq. Granted, they have kevlar helmets and body armor. a few walls of sheetrock and wood could absorb most of the blast.

I'm more surprised she didn't have shrapnel wounds more than living thru it. No shrapnel is a good indicator that the blast wasn't that close to her.

[ortrules]

No, it was never mentioned. That is just my opinion. I could be completely wrong, but my initial reaction was that she wasn't in the house, but near it.

It was never mentioned, but if you watch the episode you can clearly see Claire lying under a clothes line with laundry around her after the explosion - suggesting she was in the backyard hanging clothes. They made it a point to show the clothes line as it cuts through most of the shots, so it's not just a coincidence. They meant to show that she was outside. Plus, if she was in the backyard, she was fairly far away from the explosion. The RPG hit the front of the house and would have affected Sawyer more than Claire.

Furthermore, if she was inside the house when it exploded, she would have been lying on top of the rubble from the house. Instead, she was lying on the grass and covered by rubble. This suggests that she was outside, the house blew up, she fell over from the explosion (or was hit by something) and rubble of the house fell on top of her.

[Brother Desmond]

It was never mentioned, but if you watch the episode you can clearly see Claire lying under a clothes line with laundry around her after the explosion - suggesting she was in the backyard hanging clothes. They made it a point to show the clothes line as it cuts through most of the shots, so it's not just a coincidence. They meant to show that she was outside. Plus, if she was in the backyard, she was fairly far away from the explosion. The RPG hit the front of the house and would have affected Sawyer more than Claire.

Furthermore, if she was inside the house when it exploded, she would have been lying on top of the rubble from the house. Instead, she was lying on the grass and covered by rubble. This suggests that she was outside, the house blew up, she fell over from the explosion (or was hit by something) and rubble of the house fell on top of her.

It seems we are in agreement.

[addictedtopainmeds]

It was never mentioned, but if you watch the episode you can clearly see Claire lying under a clothes line with laundry around her after the explosion - suggesting she was in the backyard hanging clothes. They made it a point to show the clothes line as it cuts through most of the shots, so it's not just a coincidence. They meant to show that she was outside. Plus, if she was in the backyard, she was fairly far away from the explosion. The RPG hit the front of the house and would have affected Sawyer more than Claire.

Furthermore, if she was inside the house when it exploded, she would have been lying on top of the rubble from the house. Instead, she was lying on the grass and covered by rubble. This suggests that she was outside, the house blew up, she fell over from the explosion (or was hit by something) and rubble of the house fell on top of her.

regardless of diaper hanging, or snoozing, claire is dead and the writers just want to frak with us by making her death unclear

[ortrules]

It seems we are in agreement.

As per usual.

[mirizarry716]

everything changed about her after the explosion. that is where she died. she could be like her father now, possessed by something or someone else...

I completely agree. The epi where Locke seen her in Jacob's cabin she looked like she was on something.....grinning as if life was grand. :D

Her father never appeared to her until that moment either & why else would she abandon Aaron?? :confused:

I'm confused as to why some of you think that she couldn't have been killed or why Sawyer should of died too??? I mean we see the explosion & Claire was a lot closer if you ask me. Who cares if she was outside hanging clothes...the whole point is that she was hurt by the explosion & we seen that Sawyer wasn't hurt by it. We didn't see Claire when the explosion happened, for all we know she could've heard the gun shots or Sawyer calling her name & headed back into the house to see what was going on. As she was heading back in the house exploded and threw her several feet back, etc. I don't want her to be dead either, but it makes more sense to me.

[ortrules]

Her father never appeared to her until that moment either & why else would she abandon Aaron?? :confused:


Ok. Say she died and she's been carrying around Aaron this while time. Christian comes out of no where, says, "you're dead" and they both leave Aaron by himself.

Then my question is, if Claire can physically pick up Aaron, why would she still abandon Aaron like that? Just because someone reveals to you that you're dead doesn't mean that you suddenly stop caring about your child to leave him behind like that. It would have taken all of 10 seconds for her to put Aaron back, dead or alive. The point is, regardless of her living status, she would not leave Aaron like that.

The better theory is that Claire has been possessed, or something to that effect. Claire being possessed is the only way she would leave Aaron, because she wouldn't know any better. It would also explain the euphoric look on her face at Jacob's cabin.

[notsolost42]

Enjoy your vacation? I hope so, because we'll be arguing about this all summer, into the fall, and into the winter until January. :D

When she "appeared" to Kate, Kate was having a dream. If she had appeared to Kate like Christian appeared to Jack, then I would concede she's dead - but she didn't.

Yes, thank you. I certainly look forward to a continued debate about Claire. Unless, of course, you just admit you're wrong!!!
So........what say ye??? LOL!
Kate's dream was not a dream. Claire was there. They are traversing spacetime dimensions! She appeared to Locke like Christian appeared to him. What difference does it make if it was Jack or Locke? He saw them both, right? And again, when she left her baby, she did so as she stated, because he was where he was supposed to be. I.E., with the other survivors that will get off of the island. He will get off of the island. She could only have known that if everything was revealed to her upon her death. S**t happens, you know?

[Brother Desmond]

I'm confused as to why some of you think that she couldn't have been killed or why Sawyer should of died too??? I mean we see the explosion & Claire was a lot closer if you ask me. Who cares if she was outside hanging clothes...the whole point is that she was hurt by the explosion & we seen that Sawyer wasn't hurt by it. We didn't see Claire when the explosion happened, for all we know she could've heard the gun shots or Sawyer calling her name & headed back into the house to see what was going on. As she was heading back in the house exploded and threw her several feet back, etc. I don't want her to be dead either, but it makes more sense to me.

Claire's fate is confusing, because we don't have definitive proof one way or the other, right now, it is a matter of opinion. We are all speculating on what we think happened, but none of us know for sure.

[ortrules]

Yes, thank you. I certainly look forward to a continued debate about Claire. Unless, of course, you just admit you're wrong!!!
So........what say ye??? LOL!
Kate's dream was not a dream. Claire was there. They are traversing spacetime dimensions! She appeared to Locke like Christian appeared to him. What difference does it make if it was Jack or Locke? He saw them both, right? And again, when she left her baby, she did so as she stated, because he was where he was supposed to be. I.E., with the other survivors that will get off of the island. He will get off of the island. She could only have known that if everything was revealed to her upon her death. S**t happens, you know?

You know very well that neither one of us will cave on this issue.

The point I was making with Christian appearing to Locke or Jack is that when he appeared to them they were awake - whereas when Claire appeared to Kate, Kate was sleeping. We've seen plenty of instances where characters appear in dreams and we've seen instances of characters appearing as real. Most everyone who appears as real is dead (Yemi, Christian, Charlie) and most everyone appearing in the dreams is still alive - and Claire appeared in a dream.