I hate to Say this But.....Nikki and Paulo

[Tommy17]

It took me a while to understand why in the world the makes of a great show would introduce such crap ass bitchassness characters like the two who should remane nameless but I have it and I have to give it to the producers. These guys are patient. In my opinion I think the whole episode and lead up to the demise of the two slapasses was to set up the "death" of Locke. locke has always believed they(Jack and the crew) should have never left the island(which the island never physiclly moved but pause in time but more on that in another thread) and was needed to serve a bigger purpose. And if Locke was right then he would, in order to get them back, become as manipulative and sneaky as Ben.Could it be possible now that Locke is the leader of the Others he could have used the spiders that paralyze to fake his own death? As the Others leader he has the resources. Think about that

[wvugurl]

talking at work..i have said either that is really not locke or he is faking somehow..did not think of the spiders..like it!

[EMSfan9]

I like the idea too. But didn't that last only 3 hours or so? Oh and did you realize you posted this three times?

[the ghost of others past]

I like the idea too. But didn't that last only 3 hours or so? Oh and did you realize you posted this three times?

If I remember right it lasted 8 hours. the medusa spiders' venom , that is.

[EMSfan9]

If I remember right it lasted 8 hours. the medusa spiders' venom , that is.


Ah...ok. Then that could work.

[Lupernikas]

could it be that John has 'become' ben, in taking on his role on the island? He was starting to become more manipulative and less open than he was (how he tricked hurley) and is now, at least to a degree, as tricksy as Ben?

[danielle222]

could it be that John has 'become' ben, in taking on his role on the island? He was starting to become more manipulative and less open than he was (how he tricked hurley) and is now, at least to a degree, as tricksy as Ben?

He is not as tricky as Ben, nor does he want to be. Locke's mission is for the greater good, for faith, and for the island.

[sparklin_skittles]

If I remember right it lasted 8 hours. the medusa spiders' venom , that is.

well he could always take it over and over if he were real desperate :p

[addictedtopainmeds]

maybe ben knows the island needs the o6 back and he sees this as a way to get back to the island. he uses john, using that venom to make him appear dead, so the o6 will go back, with bens help of course, and presto! ben is back on the island...

[Jon]

I;m pretty sure I remember reading that the writers were pestered by fans, wanting to know about the other survivors and so they introduced Nikki and Paolo.

What I did find interesting in Expose, was that the show Nikki starred in contained a pretty obvious allusion to Jacob; there was a criminal mastermind in it that nobody knew the identity of, but was pulling all the strings. In that episode it was revealed to be the nightclub owner that was actually friends with the central group of characters.

The mind boggles...

[addictedtopainmeds]

I;m pretty sure I remember reading that the writers were pestered by fans, wanting to know about the other survivors and so they introduced Nikki and Paolo.

What I did find interesting in Expose, was that the show Nikki starred in contained a pretty obvious allusion to Jacob; there was a criminal mastermind in it that nobody knew the identity of, but was pulling all the strings. In that episode it was revealed to be the nightclub owner that was actually friends with the central group of characters.

The mind boggles...

ok, interesting. if jacob is in with all the losties, who do you think it could be? hurley????

[mattt]

If Jacob is an O6er, i my best guess would be Aaron or Jack. It is obvious that good old dead Christian is playing a role much bigger than we think he should, so maybe its a "family event" so to speak.
If we are going with the whole Jacob is sombody we know, I think i just may be Aaron.

[delfrio]

Walt!

Aaron's a good option too. If you follow the TV episode, Jacob wouldn't be one of the central people.

[mattt]

Walt may be a good opption too, but i feel it would be stronger with Aaron.
This coming back to the whole "family affair" thing. Christian (and now Claire) are playing a big part with the whole Jacob senerio. I think that they would 'keep it in the family'.

[ortrules]

I just wanted to say I posted the same thing in the same thread in two different places.

[BigL5000]

A little far fetched but OK.

[ai2301]

He's been 'dead' too long for it to be a Medusa effect IMO. Also not sure why he'd fake his own death in order to get people to go back...

I personally think he's dead and am quite open to the possibility that it was Ben who killed him.
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[suzisunshine1]

I have said about the spiders being used in this way for ages-ever since the Nikki and Paulo episode aired. They were paralyzed for 8 hours. But shortly after the paralysis started they were buried alive which for sure killed them as we haven't seen them since.

I also believe that the spiders were used to trick Jack into thinking his father was dead. Jack never touched his father's body to determine if he was in fact dead. He had no reason to as it's generally taken for granted that is someoneis on a slab in a morgue he's dead. I think this also explains how Jack was able to get his fathers coffin on the plane without the proper documentation-b/c there was no actual body in the coffin.

[sj256]

I have said about the spiders being used in this way for ages-ever since the Nikki and Paulo episode aired. They were paralyzed for 8 hours. But shortly after the paralysis started they were buried alive which for sure killed them as we haven't seen them since.

I also believe that the spiders were used to trick Jack into thinking his father was dead. Jack never touched his father's body to determine if he was in fact dead. He had no reason to as it's generally taken for granted that is someoneis on a slab in a morgue he's dead. I think this also explains how Jack was able to get his fathers coffin on the plane without the proper documentation-b/c there was no actual body in the coffin.

I like these theories about Christian really being alive.
However, he is Dead.
The Producers said this…"may be using the word 'dead' in a sense we don't fully understand yet."

[ai2301]

Jack never touched his father's body to determine if he was in fact dead. He had no reason to as it's generally taken for granted that is someoneis on a slab in a morgue he's dead. I think this also explains how Jack was able to get his fathers coffin on the plane without the proper documentation-b/c there was no actual body in the coffin.



If Christian is alive then why is on the island again? Was he in on the plan to "trick" Jack? lol
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[beachblinkette]

What if one of Ben's plans is telling Locke that he knows a way to get Jack to convince everyone to go back to the island? What if Ben conspired with Locke to fake Locke's death by using the spiders? If Locke listened to Ben then he went through with the plan, but when Locke was "asleep" Ben arranged his hanging to look like a suicide and caused his death that way? It's a terrible thought, but would Ben actually do something like that?

[Tommy17]

No one actually saw him being hanged and ben hasn't been on the island but that doesn't mean he hasn't had contact after the island reappeared

[beachblinkette]

I think fans are right to question the idea that Locke is dead if they believe that the island won't let the 06, and Locke die. Seeing Locke dead just brings up a great big flaw in that theory. So for sanity's sake let's just say that Locke is dead. How can that be? Well, Michael survived a terrible car crash therefore he can't die. Well, Jack almost jumps off a bridge. Therefore he can't die. He never actually jumped but now we're saying he can't die either because someone just happened along and seeing him caused them to crash. That must mean Jack can't die. So I would counter with the idea that Michael could have been drunk or could have taken a whopping load of pills or alcohol before the crash. Drunks survive deadly crashes sometimes with just a few scrapes. Mr. Friendly told Michael the island wouldn't let him die, blah blah blah. What if Mr. F is just another manipulative villain who uses Michael's gullibility to carry out Ben's plan on the freighter? So his word is gospel? And what about Walt? Is he the teen that died? Wait, he can't die! This is such a clever show with so many twists and turns that appear to lead us away from simple truths. People do die. Locke could actually be as dead as a doornail. Are we giving the island too much power? IDK but the writers have left us with a lot of wiggle room.....again!

[Tommy17]

This is just my theory in my honest opinion I do not cvare if he is alive or dead b/c he will still be an important person on the show regardless but it is a fun thing to discuss

[ASbarra]

I think fans are right to question the idea that Locke is dead if they believe that the island won't let the 06, and Locke die. Seeing Locke dead just brings up a great big flaw in that theory. So for sanity's sake let's just say that Locke is dead. How can that be? Well, Michael survived a terrible car crash therefore he can't die. Well, Jack almost jumps off a bridge. Therefore he can't die. He never actually jumped but now we're saying he can't die either because someone just happened along and seeing him caused them to crash. That must mean Jack can't die. So I would counter with the idea that Michael could have been drunk or could have taken a whopping load of pills or alcohol before the crash. Drunks survive deadly crashes sometimes with just a few scrapes. Mr. Friendly told Michael the island wouldn't let him die, blah blah blah. What if Mr. F is just another manipulative villain who uses Michael's gullibility to carry out Ben's plan on the freighter? So his word is gospel? And what about Walt? Is he the teen that died? Wait, he can't die! This is such a clever show with so many twists and turns that appear to lead us away from simple truths. People do die. Locke could actually be as dead as a doornail. Are we giving the island too much power? IDK but the writers have left us with a lot of wiggle room.....again!

I've been going crazy questioning "is he really dead" ever since the finale. Here are some of my theories (some contradicting each other).

1- Locke is dead, the island doesn't allow anyone to die until their purpose is served. Throughout the entire series Locke has been trying to convince Jack that he shouldn't leave the island, and the island is where he belongs. Throughout the entire series Jack has opposed this thought. Now a month before Locke dies, he visits Jack and Jack all of a sudden is all about going back and believes Locke was right all along. Could this then mean that Locke's purpose of getting Jack to want to be and stay on the island is complete, now making him volunerable to death?

2- Agreeing with this thread, that Locke is faking his death and is not truly dead, totally agree that if this is the case, that the madusa spider might have a big part in it, but the venom only lasted 8 hours, unless he was biten by multiple spiders.

3- Last, for anyone who saw the Orchid video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUPyLi, it shows that with the wormhole and time jumping that it's possible for the same item, animal, or person to travel and meet up with it's ownself at another point in time. With this said, is it possible that Locke has somehow found a way to travel through the wormhole meeting up with himself, and as 1 Locke is dead back in civilization, another Locke is still alive and well back on the island?

[My3kGT]

It took me a while to understand why in the world the makes of a great show would introduce such crap ass bitchassness characters like the two who should remane nameless but I have it and I have to give it to the producers. These guys are patient. In my opinion I think the whole episode and lead up to the demise of the two slapasses was to set up the "death" of Locke. locke has always believed they(Jack and the crew) should have never left the island(which the island never physiclly moved but pause in time but more on that in another thread) and was needed to serve a bigger purpose. And if Locke was right then he would, in order to get them back, become as manipulative and sneaky as Ben.Could it be possible now that Locke is the leader of the Others he could have used the spiders that paralyze to fake his own death? As the Others leader he has the resources. Think about that

Why the world needed Nikki and Paulo may remain the greatest mystery of Lost.

You have an interesting theory, but if Locke is in a US funeral home then changes are just about 100% that he was embalmed. And if he was embalmed, he most certainly is dead, spiders or otherwise.

[suzisunshine1]

Beachblinkette-I like the way you think. I think it's totally plausible that Locke was consipiring with Ben and that they used the spiders for a trick. We all know that Ben is capeable of cold blooded murder (the purge, killing Keamy when he knew that all the people on the freighter would die) when it suits his purpose, so he very well could have then set up the hanging in which Locke acutally dies.

The only thing that would make me question that is we have no proof that Locke/Bentham actually killed himself. Just b/c it said that in the paper doesn't make it true.

But I like you thoughts.

Sunshine

[Tommy17]

Why are chances he was embalmed say it with me MANIPULATION I am thinking some one from the island posible owns that funeral home and they say he's dead and they eventually come to visit him how about a stage for the six or anyone who decideed to come and anyone can be bought or paid off and they only show the body 1 day that means one bite