Was it a trick?

[boutte]

When Locke went into the cabin he spoke to Christian who claimed to speak for Jacob. When he later spoke to Ben he didn't mention that he didn't actually speak to Jacob. Ben assumes that the order to move the Island came directly from Jacob. What if Christian is actually acting on his own or someone elses behalf. Maybe Ben wasn't supposed to leave the Island.

If Jack wasn't supposed to leave it could be because it's up to him to deal with his father. Remember that before we saw him on the Island Christian was pretty much a piece of ****. Jack had to intervene with the hospital to remove him from a position in which he was responsible for one death and was a threat others. Could Jacks role on the Island be similar?

[Four-Toed Statue]

I like your theory, I have said from the first time we saw Christian in the cabin that he must have stolen it from Jacob. I still just don't trust Christian.

[Jeremy]

I think it was a trick, but I don't think it's actually Christian who's pulling it. I think he appears as he does in order to lure Claire; similar to how Yemi tried to get Eko to confess.

[scr2142]

Loved your post! I've read tons out there and haven't read this theory. I think you might be on to something.

S

[gingergrant]

Wow Boutte, you may be onto something! Christian was a piece of work before, what would make him change now?

[1hourisntlongenough]

You're right, Boutte. Didn't Christian even tell Locke not to mention seeing/talking with them...or something like that??

[hogwild96bob]

Christian doesn't speak for Jacob. He seemed too eager to get John to shut up and listen to him. Had Locke been able to question Christian, he would have exposed Christian was not what he represented. "I speak on his behalf"...bah!

Why was it so imperative to move the island?

The threat to everyone was that Keamy wanted to grab Ben and go back to the freighter and deliver his quarry to Widmore. If he is allowed to do this, he wipes out everyone who's left.

But consider this: Keamy dies which makes the freighter go boom, the flame is neutralized, and all anyone has left is a helicopter and a zodiac that don't have the range to land anywhere else. So again, why is it so important to move the island? For all intents and purposes, the island is now safe.

[Brother Desmond]

Christian doesn't speak for Jacob. He seemed too eager to get John to shut up and listen to him. Had Locke been able to question Christian, he would have exposed Christian was not what he represented. "I speak on his behalf"...bah!

Why was it so imperative to move the island?

The threat to everyone was that Keamy wanted to grab Ben and go back to the freighter and deliver his quarry to Widmore. If he is allowed to do this, he wipes out everyone who's left.

But consider this: Keamy dies which makes the freighter go boom, the flame is neutralized, and all anyone has left is a helicopter and a zodiac that don't have the range to land anywhere else. So again, why is it so important to move the island? For all intents and purposes, the island is now safe.

Even with Keamy out of the way, Widmore still knows exactly where the Island is. It was only a matter of time before he sent another team to extract Ben and take control of the Island.

[Docnutkins]

Why/How does Claire appear to Kate and angrily demand that she not bring Aaron back? Until this moment, Kate had no intention of going back. Jack couldn't convince her to do it. The only way she's going back is via Ben's inimical manipulation. They ALL have to go back, even Locke's dead body. I'm suspicious of that scene in the cabin with Christian speaking on behalf of Jacob with Claire sitting so casually on a chair, as if she's in on something dastardly. Has Claire's father conned her into something? I assume Claire died as a result of that firefight with the Commandos. Yes, Sawyer rescued her, but she might have had injuries that caused her to die during the night and leave with Christian. The only one to see that happen was Myles, who sees dead people.

Myles knows a lot more than he's letting on. He's also a smug, sarcastic SOB. I like that.

I also find the theories about the psych hospital being a depository for Island washouts. Too many connections to that one place for it to be simply a psych hospital. The numbers arose from a person in that place, some of our favorite characters come from that place, and we know so little about it, except that Hurley, who could be in the finest private hospital he could imagine, does not feel safe outside of it. It's quite crappy there. Will we get to see a return of Mr. Ekko? Or was Hurley imagining that one. We've seen the other folks he sees who are no longer walking amongst the living. It would be cool to see him return with a new mission.

I know JJ hates talk of time travel--blah, blah, blah--but even Ben says it's happening. This Casimir effect and time-jumping bunnies. It's television, for Chrissakes! If they want to time travel, I think it's just a matter of writer's imagination. We've gone way beyond reality from the get-go. Why does this show cause certain people to stand on a la carte truths and let the other nonsense flow by? If you can't time travel because theoretical physics says you can't, then what about crashing from 35,000 feet and living? What about the miraculous repair of a severed spine? Those don't fit reality, either.

[beachblinkette]

Why/How does Claire appear to Kate and angrily demand that she not bring Aaron back? Until this moment, Kate had no intention of going back. Jack couldn't convince her to do it. The only way she's going back is via Ben's inimical manipulation. They ALL have to go back, even Locke's dead body. I'm suspicious of that scene in the cabin with Christian speaking on behalf of Jacob with Claire sitting so casually on a chair, as if she's in on something dastardly. Has Claire's father conned her into something? I assume Claire died as a result of that firefight with the Commandos. Yes, Sawyer rescued her, but she might have had injuries that caused her to die during the night and leave with Christian. The only one to see that happen was Myles, who sees dead people.

Myles knows a lot more than he's letting on. He's also a smug, sarcastic SOB. I like that.

I also find the theories about the psych hospital being a depository for Island washouts. Too many connections to that one place for it to be simply a psych hospital. The numbers arose from a person in that place, some of our favorite characters come from that place, and we know so little about it, except that Hurley, who could be in the finest private hospital he could imagine, does not feel safe outside of it. It's quite crappy there. Will we get to see a return of Mr. Ekko? Or was Hurley imagining that one. We've seen the other folks he sees who are no longer walking amongst the living. It would be cool to see him return with a new mission.

I know JJ hates talk of time travel--blah, blah, blah--but even Ben says it's happening. This Casimir effect and time-jumping bunnies. It's television, for Chrissakes! If they want to time travel, I think it's just a matter of writer's imagination. We've gone way beyond reality from the get-go. Why does this show cause certain people to stand on a la carte truths and let the other nonsense flow by? If you can't time travel because theoretical physics says you can't, then what about crashing from 35,000 feet and living? What about the miraculous repair of a severed spine? Those don't fit reality, either.
Hear! Hear! Don't have anything to add, but I really enjoyed reading your post. There's not enough dots to connect so I connect some in stone and go on from there. Losing the dots may send me into a tizzy, but it's what I must allow to happen. It is really okay to question the sacred cows, even if all you can come up with is Moos!

[boutte]

I know JJ hates talk of time travel--blah, blah, blah--but even Ben says it's happening. This Casimir effect and time-jumping bunnies. It's television, for Chrissakes! If they want to time travel, I think it's just a matter of writer's imagination. We've gone way beyond reality from the get-go. Why does this show cause certain people to stand on a la carte truths and let the other nonsense flow by? If you can't time travel because theoretical physics says you can't, then what about crashing from 35,000 feet and living? What about the miraculous repair of a severed spine? Those don't fit reality, either.

Thank you sir! It's called the willfull suspension of disbelief and it's one of the great things about being human. Without there's no Odessy no Kurt Vonnegut no Tolkein and no Lost.

[lost_in_iowa]

I think it is a reincarnation thing. Namaste and prolong your life. We saw Jack's life going to **** which was similar to Christian's life we've seen in Jack's flashbacks. Do you think if they make things right on the island all the "wrong" deeds of their past will just undo themselves? I mean, like, they aren't going to "change" their past, purposely, but it will do it on its own because they are all doing what fate wants them to do? We're seeing the repercussions of mistakes made, like Locke dying, etc. Maybe all this stuff reverses when they do what "the island wants"? Maybe they will never end up crashing either because Christian will not have to end up in the coffin in the first place.......

[Archangel-Player]

When Locke went into the cabin he spoke to Christian who claimed to speak for Jacob. When he later spoke to Ben he didn't mention that he didn't actually speak to Jacob. Ben assumes that the order to move the Island came directly from Jacob. What if Christian is actually acting on his own or someone elses behalf. Maybe Ben wasn't supposed to leave the Island.

If Jack wasn't supposed to leave it could be because it's up to him to deal with his father. Remember that before we saw him on the Island Christian was pretty much a piece of ****. Jack had to intervene with the hospital to remove him from a position in which he was responsible for one death and was a threat others. Could Jacks role on the Island be similar?
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Iv disscussed this before. Here where my thoughts along with other people's.

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Doesn't it make you ask yourself WHY is it Ben can never come back? What is so severe about moving the island?WHY DOES JACOB HAVE A LAW ABOUT THIS? Are there great risks involved? Has something gone terribly wrong in the past? Who is at risk? Jacob? What's the big taboo all about? That just stumps me and I can't think of one reason why Jacob would want John to move the island if the same punishment would be given to John? Anyone got a clue?
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Perhaps that wasn't Jacob's comand. But the comand of what ever is in the guise of Christian. Just because he claims to speak on Jacob's behalf. Doesn't mean he actualy is. While you have a guide in life there is also an enemy who knows the same path as the guide and this enemy distracts you. Perhaps moving the island was what it wanted them to do. A part of it's plan and not Jacob's and maybe that would be the bad things that accured that Locke spoke to Jack about off the island and according to John it's Jack's fault they happend. Perhaps had Jack listen to Locke and been there by his side. The enity that caused these bad things might not have gotten the upper hand. Like Locke being fooled by this guise of Christian who he belives speaks for Jacob. If Jack would have trusted his faith and folowed Locke instead of denying the truth then he would have called out that that is his dead father and why is he there and the plans of this enity would have been in trouble.
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or Clair was put in it because only she could truley protect Arran where Kate "saves" him and takes him off the island, perhaps he wasn't supose to leave the island and as stated many times ALL of the O6 have to come back to the island together including Arran. So why doesn't the enity who comes in the form of Christian and now Claire want Arran on the island? Perhaps he is the only one now who can prevent further adue from the dark forces at work on the island since the O6's departure. Because to me if this "Christian" is good and he may very well be. then why is there now Locke talking to Jack if his father had all the anwsers? I belive that "Christian" who Jack sees on and off the island is a distraction an illussion brought on by this bad enity who causes havoc on the island once the O6 left. I belive it's the Smoke monster. Because besides Jacob he is the only one who displayed the ability to read your thoughts and become them. Ben is the only one who has shown he can have some what control over Smokey and when he left no one else knew how to control Smokey not even Lock because he never had his questions anwserd about Smokey from Ben when he asked him. One of the reasons I belive Christian not to be associated with Jacob is because of the ashy subtance we saw outside Jacob's cabin the first time we saw him. no other accurances when we saw the cabin and what we belived to be associated with Jacob had they had the ash outside the cabine. Im thinking Smokey has captured Jacob and like Jacob he has powers some we have witness. Some we haven't like it's ability to vist you threw your mind outside the island.
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[islander]

When Locke went into the cabin he spoke to Christian who claimed to speak for Jacob. When he later spoke to Ben he didn't mention that he didn't actually speak to Jacob. Ben assumes that the order to move the Island came directly from Jacob. What if Christian is actually acting on his own or someone elses behalf. Maybe Ben wasn't supposed to leave the Island.

If Jack wasn't supposed to leave it could be because it's up to him to deal with his father. Remember that before we saw him on the Island Christian was pretty much a piece of ****. Jack had to intervene with the hospital to remove him from a position in which he was responsible for one death and was a threat others. Could Jacks role on the Island be similar?

the simple answer - jacob is the island and inhabits dead bodies to communicate with the mortals; therefore, christian did speak for jacob since christian is jacob at this point.

the really scary and complex answer - boutte is on to something and there is another supernatural force on the island competing with jacob that fooled locke (not hard to do) into having ben move the island.

i prefer the simple answer but you can't rule out the complex one either...just buy more advil and beer.

[Turnip Queen]

I think we're definitely not getting the whole truth from Christian or know truly what side he's on, and I really like your theory, there's definitely something missing here! I'm just dying for Miles to reveal something for us!