How can we be so blind?

[4-8-15-16-23-42]

The person he goes to see at the funeral home has got to be the lady that dies at the hospital. It is obviously Bernard's sister or daughter, perhaps ex-wife. All this time we thought it was someone that had been on the island. It plays right into the story, I can't believe that nobody had caught that yet.

[ICU]

???????? Don't think so. I could be wrong, but I say...naw

[AnnexDogLady]

Who ever it is, it's a man not a woman. Kate said, "why would I go to HIS funneral."

[jmarcroyal]

yea sorry dude, not sure what you are smokin that gave you that revelation, but there is nothing in the very least that points towards bernard....

actually, the only connection to bernard in the future, apparently the spinal surgeon that was going to do the operation on the crash victim shared his last name...

[heavensprincess]

I think their confused when they said the dr had the same last name as bernard...maybe they thought it said the pt had the same last name.

[melcq10]

We need to remember that Bernard is married to Rose (who is black), therefore those two presumably have the same last name, which means that the doctor (even though he is black) could have the same last name as Bernard (even though he is white) because Bernards wife is black. I'm pretty sure the writers and creators of the show are smart enough and aware enough not to make a mistake. The doctor very easily could have been the son of Bernard and Rose. As far as whose funeral it was, we still don't know.

[4-8-15-16-23-42]

sorry, i saw and remembered the later parts of the show and realized that it was not the lady. However, the patient shares the same last name as bernard. After seeing this episode I really do believe that the person in the casket has to be locke. What is the deal with Jack walking to the funeral home and the car almost hits him, the camera jerks back and forth very quickly (atypical of a lost episode), there is one person in the car and the license plate is very visible, the quotes on screen said "look out jack", is there a clue here? The only way to clearly see it is to slow it down.

[chrispaccord]

I think it's either Ben, Locke, or Juliet. Personally, I think it's Ben, because of the disgust on Kate's face. And because Jack responded to the question of whether he was a friend or family of the deceased with, "Neither". Though why he would be upset when he first read about it, I don't know...

[heavensprincess]

I think it's Ben..I think he's upset because he knows he messed up by leaving the island and that Ben was right the whole time. Kate could care less because she believes they were meant to leave the island.

[forever lost]

he says EITHER!!!!

[chrispaccord]

I think it's Ben..I think he's upset because he knows he messed up by leaving the island and that Ben was right the whole time. Kate could care less because she believes they were meant to leave the island.

Good call.. Jack identifying with Ben would be a good reason for the emotional attachment. I like it.

he says EITHER!!!! I'm lost on what that means...

[Whit0881]

I think its Sawyer in the coffin. Jack was niether friends or family with him and he would be upset because of Kate, because he loves her and would think she would be upset.. And since Sawyer has always been kind of a jerk to everyone but Kate maybe that is why nobody came to his viewing. Again just my opinion. Although I hope it isn't him.

[chrispaccord]

It's a good take on it. I would think that Kate would go, unless something happens later on in the show to ruin their relationship. And the people he's close to, like Jin and Hurley(maybe "Close" isnt such a good descriptor), live far away, so they might not be able to make it.

[Whit0881]

We really don't know who survives to actually get off the island yet... And one thing about this show is just about anyone can die... Maybe just a few made it off the island.. Or you never know Sawyer has a way of doing some really mean things maybe he did something to really piss them off at somepoint.

[chrispaccord]

We really don't know who survives to actually get off the island yet... And one thing about this show is just about anyone can die... Maybe just a few made it off the island.. Or you never know Sawyer has a way of doing some really mean things maybe he did something to really piss them off at somepoint.

Too true. I did read somewhere that six people got off the island, but I don't know if that's reputable, and can't remember where I read it.

Yeah, Sawyer seems to turn back into a jerk, just when he starts to grow on me.

[Meditate]

So, not to rehash the whole black neighborhood thing, but anyone of the survivors from that area other than Walt and Michael? I don't think it would be sawyer cuz usually you have your "viewing" or whatever they called it in your hometown.

[chrispaccord]

Didn't think anything of the area they were in, honestly. But it could still fit for both Ben and Sawyer, as both don't really have anywhere they call home. Ben has lived most of his life on the island, so he wouldn't have a hometown to have the viewing, and Sawyer, from what I know, has be a traveling con man for a long time.

[stream]

Who ever it is, it's a man not a woman. Kate said, "why would I go to HIS funneral."

what I hear is

"why would I go to THE funeral"

not his

[unit816]

i think itsa sowyer cause he has no family

[hunter8768]

I'm with Stream on this. I thought she said "why would I go to the funeral?"

I beleive its either Ben, Sawyer or Juliet. Kate hated Ben and Juliet, and I do beleive that Sawyer would have left her once they returned to the mainland and she is forever pissed at him.

One thing I never took into consideration is the neighborhood in which the funeral home is located. I would thin Juliet wouldn't end up there so maybe we can rule her out. I would also think Ben would be someplace else far away. I can see Sawyer there. He is a drifter and that place kind of fits him. So I'm leaning toward Sawyer. Besides, if it had been Juliet, I think Jack would have wanted to see her. Remember, he told the funeral director no when he asked if he wanted to see the body.

I don't know, I just wrote a post in the other forum saying how I thought it was Juliet. I hope we will find out soon.

[BrothaDezzy]

I dont think its Ben. Why would Ben die in LA. He would die on the Island. And please dont say the frieghter people would take him to LA. There either ganna kill him or leave him on the Island. Ben would not be in LA.

[TSOL1]

It can be either Locke or Ben, it cant be the woman from the hospital, he gets the news paper article, Obit. Before the woman at the hospital even gets into the accident. The reason I am thinking Ben or Locke is that the funeral director says no one else had come to pay respects. Anyone else would have had some family that would have attended.

I'm leaning more towards it being Locke because I dont think Jack would have been as affected if it was Ben. He never liked ben, no matter what ben said about leaving the island. But Locke on the other hand had a relationship with Jack and He really didnt want to leave the island, but it could turn out that Jack made him leave and now feels guilty about it.

[Whit0881]

But even still more people liked Locke than Sawyer. And I really don't think that Jack wouldn't say he was a friend. They have had dissagrements sure but nothing that said they weren't friends... I think someone would have shown up to Lockes funeral over Sawyer. I also see Sawyer betraying Kate as well... As much as you grow to like the guy when he has his nice moments its in his blood almost to be mean. And then again he has been mean to Kate in the past to protect her. Its kind of hard to really pinpoint Sawyers reasonings.. However I do not think its Ben whatsoever. Why would Jack almost jump off a bridge because of Ben? Maybe even if Ben saves his life in the next few episodes or does something nice he might have had a silent moment for him but suicide then driving all the way to the funeral home.. Nah. I also think the reason Jack might have been so upset was because he stepped back for Sawyer and Kate to have a relationship, maybe he felt when he saw the newspaper clipping not only did he loose out on Kate, maybe he thought about that Pain she would feel? You never know. Everytime I think I have something figured out it changes...

[lostpenguin]

Bernard's sister or daughter? What did I miss??

[Brian]

I think it's Locke. For one thing Locke had no family, remember he was in foster care or whatever and he didn't have any love interests besides that woman he talked to on the phone in season 1 who seemed to detatch herself from him. so that would explain why no one was there. also, jack is probably upset about it because he figures on the island Locke wouldn't have died, and since Locke didn't want to leave the island but Jack (supposedly) got himself, kate, and possibly others off of the island, that it's his fault Locke is dead. And about the answer of "neither" to the family or friend question, i guess it's because he and Locke didn't exactly get along on the island. I don't think it's Sawyer because Kate says to jack "he'll be wondering where I am" and I think it's probably Sawyer she means, if they had some kind of thing off the island. just a though.

[maeee]

please help me bring back charlie

[Nikkos]

i thort it was juliette's sister who crashes and her son is julian

[jjdfw]

Didn't they say it was a "man from New York" found dead in LA?

Ben is from Portland, is he not?

Wikipedia syas Jack says "neither", although I thought he said "either"

[heavensprincess]

He did say neither...someone posted on the old site a while back a close up of the clipping and I think it did say a man from New York and it gave some pieces of the mans name. I still think it's either Ben or Michael...like arch said some of them probably changed their names because of all the publicity they received.

[LOSTBOY22]

Since this is a flash forward, Kate's disgust might have to do with something we have not yet seen on the show. Right?

[BrothaDezzy]

It can be either Locke or Ben, it cant be the woman from the hospital, he gets the news paper article, Obit. Before the woman at the hospital even gets into the accident. The reason I am thinking Ben or Locke is that the funeral director says no one else had come to pay respects. Anyone else would have had some family that would have attended.

I'm leaning more towards it being Locke because I dont think Jack would have been as affected if it was Ben. He never liked ben, no matter what ben said about leaving the island. But Locke on the other hand had a relationship with Jack and He really didnt want to leave the island, but it could turn out that Jack made him leave and now feels guilty about it.

I think its Locke too because he didnt want them to get off the island. Kate believes they were supposed to leave and Jacks thinkin maybe Locke was rite.

[luvtoby14]

I think it's Locke. For one thing Locke had no family, remember he was in foster care or whatever and he didn't have any love interests besides that woman he talked to on the phone in season 1 who seemed to detatch herself from him. so that would explain why no one was there. also, jack is probably upset about it because he figures on the island Locke wouldn't have died, and since Locke didn't want to leave the island but Jack (supposedly) got himself, kate, and possibly others off of the island, that it's his fault Locke is dead. And about the answer of "neither" to the family or friend question, i guess it's because he and Locke didn't exactly get along on the island. I don't think it's Sawyer because Kate says to jack "he'll be wondering where I am" and I think it's probably Sawyer she means, if they had some kind of thing off the island. just a though.

"He'll be wondering where I am" -- could the "he" be something like her child instead of an adult person that was on the island? She did make reference about pregancy to Sawyer in the last episode...maybe it's Sawyer in the casket....and Kate had Sawyer's kid.

[pureleo]

ya im leaning more towards Sawyer i mean jack would be affected they always had a weird hate full understanding of eachother.

[lostfan11]

i think its michell

[krakup]

as other ppl have pointed out,its a man from new york. i'm guessing michael as he has teenage son or for my long shot i'm saying christian sheppard though that doesn't fit with neither friend or family

[hopkinsman24]

The person in the casket is frogurt

[parapadme]

Responding to the thing about that Dr being Bernard and Rose's son, don't you remember the episode where Rose and Bernard met? That Dr. is at least in his late 20's. Bernard and Rose met when they were already older, (pressumably only a few years before the crash) so it's definetly not thier son. He's too old. Not unless Bernard was previously married to a black woman, which is possible, and he's that couple's son. But not Rose's and Bernard's... even if he was Rose's son, people don't typically change thier last name to their step father's.

[KaZ]

no the doctor tht does the surgery has Bernard's name....was i wrong

[heavensprincess]

You're right Kaz...we haven't met the Dr with Bernard's last name yet.

[1hourisntlongenough]

That's what I thought I heard him say!!!!! Everyone else was telling me I heard wrong.....THANK YOU!!!!!

[oceanicsix]

I think it is Michael in the casket. It is an Afro-centric LA neighbourhood and Kate and Jack would have no love lost for Michael. But, if Michael was one of the "Oceanic Six" then I can see why Jack might feel compelled to go to the funeral.

Imagine if you went through a major ordeal with 48 other people, only 6 of you got out. Even if you hated one of the other five, you still have this semi-bond with them.

Oh, and Rose's last name is Henderson, Bernard's last name is Nardal. I thought the last name of the crash victim was "Narlan" or something similar to Bernard's last name, but not actually the same. I wouldn't mind checking that out for certain. (Bernard and Rose met later in life - they wouldn't have grown children, if any children at all.)

Liam

[Peter Petrellis Wife]

at the moment i think its michael just beacause of the neighbourhood.

but im sure we will find out its no one anybody expected;)

[suzisunshine1]

Another think to keep in mind about the funeral is that NO ONE was there except for the pastor. Not even the person who made the arrangements for the viewing. So not one person came. To me that means that the person who died is so arrogant to have his (or her) funeral planned and paid for in advance and assume that people would come to pay their last respects. Are Locke and Sawyer that arrogant? I don't think so. I do think Ben is. In fact, he's the only one I can think of that would do something like that.

I do think that Jack showed up to see who else would show up or to get some sort of closure and peace in his life.

[oceanicsix]

To me that means that the person who died is so arrogant to have his (or her) funeral planned and paid for in advance and assume that people would come to pay their last respects.

Michael's wife could have had funeral arrangements paid for in advance. She was like that with his medical expenses after his car accident.

Liam

[oceanicsix]

Bernard's last name is Nardal. I thought the last name of the crash victim was "Narlan" or something similar to Bernard's last name, but not actually the same.

Wow, 3 posts in and I'm already quoting myself!

I checked this out. Bernard's last name is Nardal. The surgeon operating on the crash victim in Jack's flash forward is "Gary Nailer" (sp? Naylor?) I didn't see or hear a surname for the crash victim. The boy in the accident is 8 years old. If Juliet's sister had her baby after Juliet got to the island, and Juliet was on the island for just over 3 years, I doubt that another 5 years have gone by. So I don't believe the crash victim in Jack's flash forward was Rachel Burke and her son Julian.

Liam

[suzisunshine1]

Yeah, but she's dead. They were never actually married, either. TO take care of your child's medical expenses is one thing but then to plan so far ahead to pay for his funeral? I don't know. PLus, if it was Michael, Walt would have been there and Michael's mother.

[heavensprincess]

The Dr performing the surgery is Dr Nadler...at the bottom when they replayed it..they said it was the same last name as Bernard... here's a bit from the transcript DR HAMILL: You wanna operate?

JACK: Yes.

DR HAMILL: I'm sorry, Jack, but this isn't your patient. And we are well aware of the issues, Gary Nadler is doing the surgery at six AM.

JACK: [Pauses] With all due respect, Doctor Hamill, I'd rather do it myself.

Bernard last name is also Nadler..here's a link http://lost.wetpaint.com/page/Bernard?t=anon

[soltaboy57]

48 persons survived the crash, six, it appears came home to the real world. Jack, Kate and Hurly have been identified so far. Who is in the coffin? Your guess is as good as mine, only the writers know for sure. I sometimes think that the writer scan the various blogs and use some of the ideas posted to help them write the show, but I digress. The funeral director or minister's reaction to Jack was strange. He told Jack that no one had come to the viewing, and apparently the funeral service was yet to come. He shows no reaction to Jack's comment that he is neither friend, nor family. Yet he does not ask the most obvious question that would and did enter my mind. Who are you and why are you here? What is your connection to the deceased? Yet the fd or minister walks away with out saying anything. The scene with Kate does seem to indicate the person was known to both of them, so we can assume it is some one they both had contact with on the island. But at this time unless there has been some kind of information leaked from the show's writer or developers, we just can't say who it could be in the coffin. Some of this may be a thread in the mystery that is Lost, it may be a reference to the thing Jack and Hurly refer to while playing Horse at the mental hospital. So I, like you must wait to see in which direction the writers are taking the show before we will know who is in the coffin.

[coldandevell]

I don't think Jack was at the funeral to see the deceased at all. I think he was there to see Kate. Hoping she would show up. He seemed surprised she didn't when he handed her the clipping.

It could be Locke in the coffin because he had no family and friends left. He was a sort of a drifter before the island and could have ended up anywhere and very depressed if he had been forced off of it. I don't think kate considered herself a friend of Lockes. After all she stayed with Jack when the groups separated and she didn't flinch too much when jack threatened to kill Locke. I remember someone after last season saying they found a J on the newspaper clipping.

The Michael theory sounds plausible too.

[SoLOST]

I still do not believe that Jack said "neither" at the funeral home. My friend is deaf and reads lips. He says he said "either".

[conkeys19]

he doesn't say either. jack clearly says neither. ive watched the episode many times with closed caption on from the dvd and closed caption on from three diff. tv's and it says NEITHER every time.

[1hourisntlongenough]

I still do not believe that Jack said "neither" at the funeral home. My friend is deaf and reads lips. He says he said "either".

YES!!!! This is what I think too!!! :confused:

[JohnsLost]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but whenever I've been to a funeral, a member of the family has to arrange for there to be a viewing. If special arrangements aren't made, they probably just bury you. A viewing is a special deal. I'm thinking that eliminates Sawyer or Locke as candidates.

[Kage]

Why would he ask Kate if she went to the funeral that doesn't make sense if it was the women he saved ,I thought she lived.

[SoLOST]

he doesn't say either. jack clearly says neither. ive watched the episode many times with closed caption on from the dvd and closed caption on from three diff. tv's and it says NEITHER every time.

Really ??? I tried the closed caption on my recording just now after reading your post and mine will not work :( I hate electronics !

[Dzbabykel]

Why would he ask Kate if she went to the funeral that doesn't make sense if it was the women he saved ,I thought she lived.

She did live because the Doctor was going to tell Jack the good news and Jack was somewhat relieved.

[animelvr31]

he says EITHER!!!!

Yeah, I heard "either" too. Jack is upset and wants to go back to the island, but with the way Hurley was talking about not choosing his side, I think something really bad happened there and that even though they kind of have to go back now, Jack was right on leaving when he did.

[Kage]

It's quite possible the person in the casket could be one of the new rescuers joining the cast this season,their last names are (according to T.V.guide) "Miles","Lapidus", and "Faraday" any one of them could have a 1st initial of "J" like the obit. said .Person could be somone not yet introduced.

[ehodgson]

yahhh go charlie i really hope he somehow survived likethe scuba ude like took him as a hostage or he swam out the window or somthing far fetched i was wonder ing why he would shut the door if that was me as soon as i saw that guy i would have ran like hell

[animelvr31]

yahhh go charlie i really hope he somehow survived likethe scuba ude like took him as a hostage or he swam out the window or somthing far fetched i was wonder ing why he would shut the door if that was me as soon as i saw that guy i would have ran like hell


That's wishful thinking. Plus when Charlie visits Hurley at the mental institution, Hurley asks him if he was really dead and he nodded his head and says "I am, but I'm here." Yeah, Charlie did have plenty of time to get out, but he chose to stay down there and drown. That's what really gets me, this time, he really DIDN'T have to die.

[siridh]

If Jack said "either" it could be Claire. She would be a friend first, and a sister later.

[Archangel-Player]

Yeah the last showing of S3 enchantment revealed hat Jack did say Either . It said Jack sees the person as either Friend or family. Meaning he sees them as both. I want to say it's juliet in the casket that would explain Jack's emotions and Kate's discuss for the deasest. Then again why would he consider her both friend and family if they where romanticaly involved? Could be Micahel. Jack could have found an understanding with his actions on the island where Kate still shows discuss with it. He could be both friend and family. Everyone else Ben and Locke seem s Jac wouldn't go as far to say both friend and family. Locke he might. He might have come to a truths with him before he died same with Ben. Both of thoese Kate would show discuss with as well. so we have numrous candates. But who is it? We shall have to see.

[SLForney]

We need to remember that Bernard is married to Rose (who is black), therefore those two presumably have the same last name, which means that the doctor (even though he is black) could have the same last name as Bernard (even though he is white) because Bernards wife is black. I'm pretty sure the writers and creators of the show are smart enough and aware enough not to make a mistake. The doctor very easily could have been the son of Bernard and Rose. As far as whose funeral it was, we still don't know.
The "black" doctor wasn't the one who was operating on the patient. It was another dr. Not the one talking to Jack, we never saw the doctor who was going to do surgery on the crash victim.

[SLForney]

he says EITHER!!!!
No the says "Neither"

[SLForney]

I think its Sawyer in the coffin. Jack was niether friends or family with him and he would be upset because of Kate, because he loves her and would think she would be upset.. And since Sawyer has always been kind of a jerk to everyone but Kate maybe that is why nobody came to his viewing. Again just my opinion. Although I hope it isn't him.
I don't think its Sawyer in the casket, just cause Kate tells Jack, I need to get back before "he" starts wondering where I am. I really think she is talking about Sawyer. If she didn't leave the island and be with Sawyer, I think she would have ended up with Jack.
I am still trying to figure out how Hurley got back with Jack and Kate????

[SLForney]

please help me bring back charlie
I so agree with you there. I miss him and was very upset when he died. And more upset when Hurley had to tell Claire. :0(

[SLForney]

I think it is Michael in the casket. It is an Afro-centric LA neighbourhood and Kate and Jack would have no love lost for Michael. But, if Michael was one of the "Oceanic Six" then I can see why Jack might feel compelled to go to the funeral.

Imagine if you went through a major ordeal with 48 other people, only 6 of you got out. Even if you hated one of the other five, you still have this semi-bond with them.

Oh, and Rose's last name is Henderson, Bernard's last name is Nardal. I thought the last name of the crash victim was "Narlan" or something similar to Bernard's last name, but not actually the same. I wouldn't mind checking that out for certain. (Bernard and Rose met later in life - they wouldn't have grown children, if any children at all.)

Liam
Michael and Walt were already long gone off the island before their rescue, but it could still be Michael. After shootin Ana Lucia and Libby for his own gain, I could see why Jack and Kate would say the things they said.

[SLForney]

yahhh go charlie i really hope he somehow survived likethe scuba ude like took him as a hostage or he swam out the window or somthing far fetched i was wonder ing why he would shut the door if that was me as soon as i saw that guy i would have ran like hell
I am thinking Patchy died when he blew the port hole out. He was holding the grenade when it blew up.

[R.I.P.Charlie]

How many times has patchy died on this show?

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Dude, ur so right. Patchy got his ass kicked by sayid and kate and I thought he was dead. Then he escaped and got caught again. Locke threw him into that sonic fence and he died again. Then he got harpooned by Desmond and he died AGAIN. Then he jumped into the water and held a grenade as it exploded and drowned Charlie, I'm just guessing he died again. So that makes 4 deaths for patchy... and counting lol!

[heavensprincess]

No the says "Neither"

You're right he does say neither. It was already confirmed. It says why would jack be so upset over someone that was neither friend or family.

[georgebushisaretard]

'Patchy' does seem to heal quickly from whatever injuries he sustains. Now, who else have we seen heal quickly? Locke, certainly. Any others? Naomi, she managed to crawl away, climb a tree, and put up a fight with Kate (OK so she appears to be dead for good - We'll see!)
Could this be due to the charactaristics of the island, if so, why doesn't everybody heal fast? Or, is it genetic, possibly to do with the original inhabitants/hostiles? After all, Richard doesn't appear to have aged since Ben first saw him as a child.
Also, Mikhail knew Locke from a previous encounter, but before he could mention it, John pushed him through the sonic fence (I just don't buy the, "...fence not set to lethal levels', answer that Patchy gave when he re-appeared, several episodes, later.)

[PolaBear]

Dude, ur so right. Patchy got his ass kicked by sayid and kate and I thought he was dead. Then he escaped and got caught again. Locke threw him into that sonic fence and he died again. Then he got harpooned by Desmond and he died AGAIN. Then he jumped into the water and held a grenade as it exploded and drowned Charlie, I'm just guessing he died again. So that makes 4 deaths for patchy... and counting lol!
You dont know that he actually died those times. The sonic fence probably just hurt him and he healed, I would be interested to see if he is alive after the grenade though. Wouldn't be the craziest thing i have seen on this show!

[Dzbabykel]

Yah when he went through the sonic fence, he even said it wasn't set to lethal so thats why he was still alive. I think its safe to assume he's still alive since we didn't see for sure that he was killed. The impact of the explosion could have blown him through the water but still could have lived (in real life I'm sure he would have been killed instantly haha but this is Lost remember) :p

[megaloman]

i couldnt agree more with heavensprincess. that is my exact guess.

[hollie425]

I think its Sawyer in the coffin. Jack was niether friends or family with him and he would be upset because of Kate, because he loves her and would think she would be upset.. And since Sawyer has always been kind of a jerk to everyone but Kate maybe that is why nobody came to his viewing. Again just my opinion. Although I hope it isn't him.


nope. its not sawyer!! cus the coffin is wayy to small. kate would still go to the funeral, cus she loves him. nd that person who said that jack said "either". i just watched it... jack says NEITHER!!

[sidaco2001]

Yea its definately NOT sawyer cause even though sawyer and jack arent CLOSE friends, they do have a mutual respect for each other. enough to claim that one another were friends. remember when jack saw kate and sawyer having sex, he did in fact try to save them. if thats not a friend (or some form of) then i dont know what is.

[Archangel-Player]

Good point sidco. And I do take back my respond as to what Jack said Either or nethier. He did say neither. I think it's possable to be either Locke or Sawyer. Since thoes eare teh two Jack never saw eye to eye with and would be two people that Kate would abject going to there funerals. Both tryied to tell Jack that the island was special and that he was meant to be there in their own ways. So it's a tie breacker there. Could be any of them. I want to say it is Mike. But I don't see Jack getting emotinal over him. Unless his death in the real world jack feels could have been prevented had he not made that phone call. or just another reality check to him that he wasn't supose to leave the island.

[TuesdaySmith]

Why are people still argueing that Jack says "either". Hasn't it been confirmed that he says "neither"?

Anyway, why would he say that? EVEN if he finds out that Claire is his sister, she's not a man.

And if the person was both, wouldn't he just pick one like any normal person?

I have a family member who is a close friend, but if I was asked I'd say "family", or "BOTH". Not "either". It's just a weird thing to say. And not LOST weird like freaky black smoke, just regular weird.

[justme]

I also belive it is Ben

[chester]

Do you consider the cheshire cat to be a 'good-guy' or a 'bad-guy'?