Time travel

[UnknownPoster]

Well I always kind of hoped the show wasn't going down this road but now it looks like a strong possibility.

Does it explain why Richard looked the same 25 years ago as he did today? Did he travel back to instruct Ben?

Does it explain the remains of the polar bear?

I guess it does.
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[Steeevil]

Not exactly time travel. Think... parallel universes. One universe the plane crashed in the ocean, and another the plane crashed on the island. The smoke monster can cross from one to another.

Ben has all the information from one and this has brought him power on the island in the island's universe.

[Barbecue_Bod]

aye, but haven't he producers stated categorically it is not anything to do with time travel? yep - parallel universes sounds more likely. Or cloning? Like Marvin Candlewax or whatever his name is? The way he has different names in the orientation films. Is he a clone?

[Robo42]

I was under the impression that the newly discovered wreckage was a plant by one of groups(Dharma, Hanso, etc.) to throw eveyone off the scent. Please tell me I'm right, I don't need anymore to think about. LOL

[Barbecue_Bod]

yeah i think it is a plant/fake plane

[bunnydixon]

not sure if richard went back in time as such as he had scraggly hair back then but if we ar talking parallel dimensions - he could have sent a version of himself i guess.

[navyguy]

aye, but haven't he producers stated categorically it is not anything to do with time travel? yep - parallel universes sounds more likely. Or cloning? Like Marvin Candlewax or whatever his name is? The way he has different names in the orientation films. Is he a clone?

OK....they said that the survivors didn't travel through time regarding the crash. BUT that doesn't rule out time travel as a possiblity in general. They HAVE laid hints regarding something to do with time, whether it be time travel or not. We DO know though that there is a difference of about 3 years between island time and real time.

[Robo42]

I really hope its not time travel. I think that's a cop out and would be a little pissed.

[Barbecue_Bod]

We DO know though that there is a difference of about 3 years between island time and real time.[/QUOTE]

How do we know that?

[Robo42]

I still don't get that 3 year diff in real vs. island time. Seriously, How do we know that? Lord knows I've missed alot. Can you explain that to me?

[pinkrain85]

I was under the impression that the newly discovered wreckage was a plant by one of groups(Dharma, Hanso, etc.) to throw eveyone off the scent. Please tell me I'm right, I don't need anymore to think about. LOL

yes i think ur totally right. The remaining Dharma people set the plane. Even Oceanic Airlines could have no idea about the island.Just because it was their airline doens't mean they are affiliated with the Dharma Initiative.

[Robo42]

Although I can't figure out Oceanic's involvement. If you go to find815.com, they were quick to get rid of (fire) Sam Thomas when he started questioning and they also accused him of stealing some of their property.

[bunnydixon]

how did dharma manage to sneak away one of their planes? this would sugest they are connected but in what way and why.....no idea!

[missjulie]

I don't think it's time travel in the sense we think of it... or rather the sense we expect. I think its more involved than just simply traveling through time.

But they DO offer clues to there being something about time... watch the brainwashing video from 'Not in Portland' backwards...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvp2PF8XilY

It says "Only fools are enslaved by time and space"

[navyguy]

We DO know though that there is a difference of about 3 years between island time and real time.

How do we know that?[/QUOTE]
ok this is how we know this.
It is roughly November 25th on the island because Ben said they have been there 80 days (correct my math if it is wrong, but im in the vicinity if anything). If you play find815 you find that Oceanic wants to open the airline back up but Sam won't have it because he wants closure. If you go to the website from the commercial (not find815 but the other one that flashes) it brings you to an Oceanic Press release from December 28th 2007 that states they will be re-opening on the 31st of December of that same year.

[Robo42]

So how do you get three years, that sounds very close to real time to me. True, I am a wingnut and would never dis the swabies, but that seems like we are talking real time. Unless your saying nov.25 2010 or 2004.

[missjulie]

According to Lostpedia the latest episode occurs on day 93 of being no the island.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Portal:Episode_Guide#Season_4

(Careful, the titles and plots of the next 4 episodes are listed too! If you don't want to see that, hack off #Season4 from the above link and scroll down till you get to Season 4 and stop on the latest episode.)

[Robo42]

I get the flash fowards are 3 years ahead, but I would not consider that time travel or a parallel universe theory. What happens on the island is just that-the past. When or if they get back it's still going to be 3+ yrs since they crashed, not day 94, right? If not, I am am so much more confused than I think.

[navyguy]

So how do you get three years, that sounds very close to real time to me. True, I am a wingnut and would never dis the swabies, but that seems like we are talking real time. Unless your saying nov.25 2010 or 2004.

Ok. LOSTpedia says 93 days, although i could have sworn Ben said 80. Oh well could be wrong. That doesn't change this fact though. it is still 2004 on the island november/december time frame. Oceanic reopens air travel on December 31st 2007. Thats the announcement that Sam was upset about at the beginning of the find815 game because he wanted closure. the plane hadn't been found yet.

[Robo42]

Okay i get it. your pretty smart for a navy guy.

[bunnydixon]

oh that totally never occurred to me......

my little brain is getting wound up again!

[hollie425]

Well I always kind of hoped the show wasn't going down this road but now it looks like a strong possibility.

Does it explain why Richard looked the same 25 years ago as he did today? Did he travel back to instruct Ben?

Does it explain the remains of the polar bear?

I guess it does.

i think time travel is a little to far fetched for lost. i mean it is lost, so i wouldnt rule it out. but the whole polar bear thing in the desert is still a flashback. ther must be a lot of dharma ppl around the world!! but maybe the last of them were on the island, nd ben actually killed the last remaining ones. but there might still be more dharmies around.. so idk

[pantags]

Ok. LOSTpedia says 93 days, although i could have sworn Ben said 80. Oh well could be wrong. That doesn't change this fact though. it is still 2004 on the island november/december time frame. Oceanic reopens air travel on December 31st 2007. Thats the announcement that Sam was upset about at the beginning of the find815 game because he wanted closure. the plane hadn't been found yet.

I remember in the season premiere Jack said they had been on the island 91 days, and in the Find 815 game there is no mention of a date at all so i think your 3 yrs theory is incorrect

[navyguy]

I remember in the season premiere Jack said they had been on the island 91 days, and in the Find 815 game there is no mention of a date at all so i think your 3 yrs theory is incorrect

You are right. Find815 didn't give a date. From Fin815 you find out that Oceanic wants to open travel back up. If you go to http://www.flyoceanicair.com/ you see the new Oceanic commerical and Sam Thomas hacking it, stating "in the next FEW HOURS Oceanic Air will announce the search for 815 and its passengers over" etc. etc. Then under the ad you click on DOWNLOAD PRESS RELEASE which gives you the December 31st 2007 date.

[Robo42]

C'mon navy, you had me sold!!!LOL. So are we going with a time gap or not? Okay, they crash in aug i believe, Oceanic calls off the search in dec, they find the planted wreck just recently, and then they just sent in the four yahoos. The earliest flash forwards are fairly soon after rescue to 3 years out or so(S3 final). Tell me what I'm missin' and I'll go back to time travel. I guess the question is, when Frank and Dan see the wreck on t.v., what time is that in relation to Hurley's flash forward?

[cuervo83]

I still don't get that 3 year diff in real vs. island time. Seriously, How do we know that? Lord knows I've missed alot. Can you explain that to me?

I think what he means is on the island it's still 2004, since they've only been there like 90 days.

[Archangel-Player]

I think it's like this. Since season 1-3 we have been seeing the events of 2004 and it's being told to us. What seems as the present to us is actualy the past. What we see in the Flash Fwds as the future is actualy the present. Atleast in Hurley's Flash Fwd. Now in Jack's it seems a distant future. I say seems. Because in Jack's Flash Fwd it seems he has been growing a beard for quite some time and has been depressed and wacked out for a good yr or more. Where in Hurley's Flash Fwd he hasn't grown his beard out and he seems happey as can be. These Flash Fwds are quit ethe mystery now arn't they?