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ai2301
06-13-2008, 10:21 PM
Of course that's an assumption because we know that's how Ben came to leave the island in the last episode, but that may not even be true. Here's a theory of sorts that came to me. (I know this isn't the Theory section but it seems that during the off season this is where they get posted so here goes.)


Perhaps Jacob is pissed because the O6 left (remember, we still don't know who was on Jacob's list- or why) so maybe he wants them back.

Locke hops on Desmond's sailboat (equipped with the new coordinates to the island) and makes his way to Ben (perhaps Richard had a way of knowing where Ben was at in case they needed to contact him). He informs Ben that the O6 must return. Ben then devises a plan for Locke to try and appeal to the O6 to return. Once he's failed, Ben steps in.

Ben's line of thinking is that he can now get the O6 to come back (who knows why?) but he still has the issue of the "rule" that whomever moves the island must never return. Perhaps he feels that if he gets rid of Locke that he can make amends with Jacob upon his return and regain his spot as leader. So he kills Locke and then targets Jack (as the leader of the group) to convince him to come back first. We are talking about Ben here so he wouldn't be above flat out kidnapping the others if it came down to it. The reason Ben needs Locke's body is to prove to Jacob that he's really dead.

As far as the apparitions visiting people (Christian, Charlie) perhaps that's Smokey again, somehow brought to the states by none other than Ben.


A couple of notes:

**When Tom was in New York, he had a boyfriend there which hinted to me that New York might be a place that off-island Other folk frequented, so perhaps that's where Ben ended up getting contacted by Locke (which perhaps is why Locke's alias is credited with being from New York...)

** I think there's a good possibility that Locke did not move the island due to 2 hints given in Season 4.

1) the sailboat that Desmond had was mentioned as Ben's means of escape when he was talking to Sayid. We know this isn't true though.

2) Automatically many assumed that Locke moved the island because that's how Ben got off. This could be a red herring though- everyone has seemingly forgotten that Locke could have just as easily used the coordinates (whether there were new ones or not) to get off the island. I think we're supposed to assume he moved the island because that's what's fresh in our minds but I'm not so sure.

And this one is a biggie that I haven't seen addressed yet...

** If Ben has a plan for getting back to the island that means he knows where it is- the only way he could possibly know that is if Locke told him where the island was which is something Locke COULD NOT DO if Locke's last act before leaving the island was moving it! That's why I'm not convinced that Locke moved it. How could he exit the island by moving it and assume he'd be able to get the 06 back to the island? He would have no clue where it went!

iggyjeckel
06-13-2008, 10:35 PM
I never thought locke moved the island. I always thought he got off the island previous others did. granted they don't have the sub anymore but that doesn't prove that they don't have another one or the "magic box" didn't come up with something

ai2301
06-13-2008, 10:46 PM
I never thought locke moved the island. I always thought he got off the island previous others did. granted they don't have the sub anymore but that doesn't prove that they don't have another one or the "magic box" didn't come up with something

I had thought about the submarine- I remember on the old board there was debate about whether he really even blew it up. Personally I think he did so it's not part of the theory, but some might think he could have used it I suppose.

Also, my apologies for insinuating that "everyone" thinks he moved the island. I had no intention of sterotyping LOST viewers- that just seems to be the general thought around here that I've seen.

Panda
06-14-2008, 07:28 PM
Locke hops on Desmond's sailboat (equipped with the new coordinates to the island) and makes his way to Ben (perhaps Richard had a way of knowing where Ben was at in case they needed to contact him). He informs Ben that the O6 must return. Ben then devises a plan for Locke to try and appeal to the O6 to return. Once he's failed, Ben steps in.



Where would Locke have found Desmond's sailboat?
I thought that Micheal got off the Island with that sailboat. But I am not sure. I might be wrong.

CompletelyLost
06-14-2008, 07:42 PM
I don't think Locke moved the Island. He probably just rebuilt the wall Ben blew out, and reused the "magic box". Don't forget-- he's with Richard and the Others now, who could help him.

Jeremy
06-14-2008, 08:14 PM
Where would Locke have found Desmond's sailboat?
I thought that Micheal got off the Island with that sailboat. But I am not sure. I might be wrong.

No, Michael used the same boat that Tom had used back towards the end of Exodus. Desmond's boat was last seen in Glass Balerina, where we're only left with the knowledge that the Others take it.

As for Locke moving the island, I suppose it wasn't actually him that turned the wheel, but the island DID move, so really, why does it matter?

Then there's the question of how Locke got off of the island. Perhaps he screwed up and Jacob banished him from it or something? Or perhaps there's more to that "fake hatch" that we only got to see in about two episodes?

islander
06-14-2008, 08:45 PM
i believe ben moved the island because that was jacob's wish, and the point was to become invisible to widmore. so, i believe the island moved in time and space - how much of each, i dunno, but enough to send widmore back to the drawing board in his hunt for the island.

ai2301
06-15-2008, 03:10 AM
but the island DID move, so really, why does it matter?

What are you talking about? This is a theory about next season, we don't know that the island gets moved again or not.

Panda
06-15-2008, 07:29 PM
No, Michael used the same boat that Tom had used back towards the end of Exodus. Desmond's boat was last seen in Glass Balerina, where we're only left with the knowledge that the Others take it.



I couldn't recall it. So thanks for the info.
But I wonder how they could have reached the land with such a small boat. I mean, the fuel tanks of such a small boat are not meant to sail for days.

realrasslinfan
06-15-2008, 07:42 PM
I thought ha was told to following a certain bearing on the compass until he was into the shipping lanes?

Panda
06-15-2008, 08:19 PM
I thought ha was told to following a certain bearing on the compass until he was into the shipping lanes?

AH thx, I forgot a lot. And I don't have them recorded so I can't rewatch them.
Maybe I should buy the DVD box and start to rewatch it like many people seem to do.

boulderheart1
06-15-2008, 08:28 PM
1) the sailboat that Desmond had was mentioned as Ben's means of escape when he was talking to Sayid. We know this isn't true though.



i think eh is lieing to sayid and just gave him the 'short' story and not telling sayid anything more than he needs to know

ai2301
06-15-2008, 09:20 PM
i think eh is lieing to sayid.


Yup, that's what I said. ;)


I found it interesting though that they brought up the sailboat again. It tells me that it still has a part to play and if Locke didn't move the island, then the sailboat is probably how he got off.