Whispers Speaking Backwards

[BucFanLostinNC]

I done alittle research to day about the whispers found through out lost that seem to come out backwards. My research shows this is a process called Reverse Speach and was founded in our Lost starting place Austrialia and is actually a scientific study that may answer some questions. heres what I got so far:

What Is Reverse Speech

It has been called the discovery of the 7th sense. The research into this phenomenon has been described as being of "Nobel calibre". It has been featured in numerous publications around the world, and in the United States it became a household name in the late 90s. It is called Reverse Speech, the phenomenon of hidden backward messages in speech. It initially gained worldwide fame in the early 80s as those strange backward messages in rock and roll. Since that time, research has progressed significantly and it is now known to exist in all forms of human speech.

If human speech is recorded and played backwards, mixed amongst the gibberish at regular intervals can be heard very clear statements. These statements usually appear in short sentence form and are nearly always related to the forward speech. It appears constantly throughout language, so much so in fact, that it is believed to be a natural part of our speech processes.

The pioneer and 20 year veteran of this field, Australian David John Oates, describes Reverse Speech as another form of human communication. He states that language is bi-level, forward and reverse. As the human brain constructs the sounds of speech, it forms those sounds in such a way that two messages are delivered simultaneously. One forwards, which is the conscious mind speaking, and the other in reverse, which is the unconscious mind speaking.

The applications of this discovery are exciting. On the surface level, it can act as a sort of Truth Detector as Reverse Speech will usually correct the inconsistencies of forward speech. If a lie is spoken forwards, the truth may be communicated in reverse. If pertinent facts are left out of forward speech these may also be spoken in reverse. It can reveal hidden motive and agenda and other conscious thought processes. At deeper levels, Reverse Speech can reveal thought patterns that are unconscious, including reasons behind behaviour and disease. This information can be used to greatly enhance the therapeutic and healing processes.

Although still a new and emerging field, Reverse Speech is already making its mark felt in many areas. It has been used successfully in business negotiations and corporate mergers as means of providing extra information. In the state of Oregon, it has been used in criminal investigation and its results independently verified by DNA testing in one case.

Reverse Speech has now come back to Australia, where it was initially discovered. If you are looking for a new and challenging career, you might want to consider training and becoming one of the pioneers of this field. If you have an important decision to make or behavioural issue you want address, Reverse Speech may be able to help you too.

[BucFanLostinNC]

futhermore:


Reverse Speech can be found in babies, profoundly retarded people and animals, which suggests that the sounds allow the unconscious to be heard in reversals. Meaning Vincent and Aaron could be the ones speaking.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Well, that was very interesting. Thanks for posting that. I remember the concept from earlier in the 70's and it was called backward masking. Anyway, one of my LOST books has transcripts of some of the whispers/voices in the jungle. If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll post it in this thread. I thought it was kind of weird, especially in light of the latest revelations/theories. Who knows...

[sirchin]

Well, that was very interesting. Thanks for posting that. I remember the concept from earlier in the 70's and it was called backward masking. Anyway, one of my LOST books has transcripts of some of the whispers/voices in the jungle. If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll post it in this thread. I thought it was kind of weird, especially in light of the latest revelations/theories. Who knows...

Yes Locke I'd be interested. Please post them.

[ortrules]

Lostpedia has some transcripts of some of the whispers.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts

[sirchin]

Lostpedia has some transcripts of some of the whispers.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts

Thanks for the link ort, I never knew about this aspect of the show. I can't really say that I can come to find a theory on it, but I liked it and was interested none the less. If anyone else has more or a theory on the whispers
I'd like that as well.

[BucFanLostinNC]

Thanks for the link ort, I never knew about this aspect of the show. I can't really say that I can come to find a theory on it, but I liked it and was interested none the less. If anyone else has more or a theory on the whispers
I'd like that as well.

I posted this talking about the backwards speech and im currently looking into more information on the subject. What i just read has got me thinking to about the Black Rock Journal and possibly a few other words written that are focus on. I was searching backwards speech again and was amazed to find that Edgar Allen Poe developed crypto messages speech written backwards in code. he made this popular in the 1800s which may mean that the journal was written in this Poe style. Thats why it has taken Widmore so long to figure out where the island is. Just a new thought im going to watch so episodes to test a few words.

Also I belive a few of Poes Books are mentioned throughout Lost

[Missie]

very interesting, I read the whisper transcripts before, they just seem like jiberish to me

[landothelost]

very interesting, I read the whisper transcripts before, they just seem like jiberish to me

Are the whispers in some way the others? Before i read the transcripts, I thought the whispers were the Losties conscience.

[sirchin]

very interesting, I read the whisper transcripts before, they just seem like jiberish to me

I'm with you Missie, I coudn't find it to make any sense. It is interesting but if it has any meaning, there gonna have to fill in some blanks, unless it a code to be cracked.

BTW Has anyone one tried watching the scene (in context) while reading transripts in forward speach?

[danielle222]

What Is Reverse Speech



I think it would only be appropriate if you cited your references. Come on, you cannot possibly know all that information without looking it up. :mad:

[landothelost]

I think it would only be appropriate if you cited your references. Come on, you cannot possibly know all that information without looking it up. :mad:

HA! 222, spoken like a true grad student. nice!!

[danielle222]

HA! 222, spoken like a true grad student. nice!!

Okay.. You've also researched me as well... Can I spell s-t-a-l-k-e-r. J/K. :D

[danielle222]

Oh, yeah... and what are your Works Cited? :p

[danielle222]

And I now just realized I was picking on the wrong person... what a dumbass! There goes my graduate degree down the tubes (for those of you who are paying attention!)

Time to make fun of myself, 222...

[landothelost]

Okay.. You've also researched me as well... Can I spell s-t-a-l-k-e-r. J/K. :D

Hey, you said it in a post somewhere!!!! And I am to, so I found it interesting. Plus, I can't help my memory.

By the way nice job getting that "A" in advanced accounting. :D:D:D

[danielle222]

Hey, you said it in a post somewhere!!!! And I am to, so I found it interesting. Plus, I can't help my memory.

By the way nice job getting that "A" in advanced accounting. :D:D:D

Okay, now I'm really scared! :eek:

[landothelost]

Okay, now I'm really scared! :eek:

Really???:(

[BucFanLostinNC]

I think it would only be appropriate if you cited your references. Come on, you cannot possibly know all that information without looking it up. :mad:

Sry I aplogize didnt mean to not cite the info I was only trying to put somthing out there for discussion. And If you for some reason wrote that article I didnt mean to offend you.

[danielle222]

Sry I aplogize didnt mean to not cite the info I was only trying to put somthing out there for discussion. And If you for some reason wrote that article I didnt mean to offend you.

Didn't write the article... haha.. just like the referrences.

[delfrio]

Unfortunately, reverse speech isn't real. It's just the power of suggestion leading people to hear patterns in noise.

[BucFanLostinNC]

Unfortunately, reverse speech isn't real. It's just the power of suggestion leading people to hear patterns in noise.

Actually there is alot of research and keep in mind this is a television show that steps out side of reality and focuses on possiblities of man. As I pointed out to Edgar Allen Poe even had the idea of this in the 1800s when he started writing backwards, Poe who is referenced in Lost. Top to it all of I also have a post about using the third eye which is part of the buddist culture one idea is being able to understand hidden messages. Another strange fact is that John Oates is from Australia.

Australian named David John Oates offers what may prove to be the most undeniable evidence for the existence of a subconscious mind and the most historic breakthrough ever in human communication. He calls it "Reverse Speech Technology" and cites 16 years of research documenting the phenomenon. Simply put, Oates's "reverse speech" claims that humans exhibit "bi-level" communication, that is to say forwards and backwards simultaneously. According to Oates, clear understandable reverse speech is occurring in bursts every 6 to 10 seconds continually during our forward communication.

Furthermore, this reverse speech serves as a direct subconscious commentary on the forward speech communication. If you are lying in your forward statements, your reverse speech is revealing the truth. If you are leaving out information, your reverse speech is filling in the gaps. If you're unsure of how you feel about what you are saying, your reverse speech will provide your emotional truth. According to Oates, "where the lie detector ends, reverse speech begins." Going beyond whether statements are possibly true or untrue, reverse speech will reveal where the bodies are buried and the mistress's name.

Sound too good to be true? As researcher of the subconscious mind the answer is yes, yes, yes. As members of the human race, however, it does make one a little nervous. Are we really ready for that kind of honesty. How might the availability of such a technology change society? Must a generation still mourning the loss of safe sex now have to deal with the end of safe communication too? Who is this guy Oates and how valid are these claims of "Reverse Speech" anyway?

To answer these questions we invited David John Oates to speak and present his claims at our February 1999 monthly conference. His presentation was incredible. It was fun, honest, entertaining and most importantly left one stunned with the potential ramification of his claims. If David John Oates is right, and his body of evidence is impressive, society will never be the same.

Oates began his research in 1984, intrigued with the occurrence of backwards masking in rock and roll records. Backwards masking is a recording technique for purposely embedding backwards messages into music. While searching for these intended messages Oates says he stumbled onto his discovery of many messages, unintentionally embedded in the words of the music. He then quickly began studying all kinds of recorded speech looking for backwards messages. One of his earliest discoveries was in the famous recording of Neil Armstrong's "one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." Oates reverses this statement for the audience using computer software to reveal that this sentence played backwards says "man will space walk

http://www.reversespeech.com/dual.htm there is alink to one page i have researched.

[delfrio]

Oh, I'm not jumping on you -- this could very well prove to be a factor in the show. But in reality, Oates' work isn't accepted by any legitimate researcher (of course you wouldn't know that from his website).

[Jeremy]

Sounds interesting, but the whispers themselves are already confusing enough.

I remember fooling around and reversing recordings of my voice on my computer, but I was intentionaly trying to talk backwards, so I suppose it doesn't count.

[sirchin]

Reminds me of free association writing,......Hey maybe that's how the Lost writer's come up with these strange twisting scenarios! LOL! Hey! There's an idea, one sof you aspiring writers try to come up with a short story from the jibberish you get from free assosiation writing. Zeb give it a shot I know you wright. I'ts an open invetation to anyone though.

[notsolost42]

futhermore:


Reverse Speech can be found in babies, profoundly retarded people and animals, which suggests that the sounds allow the unconscious to be heard in reversals. Meaning Vincent and Aaron could be the ones speaking.

Wasn't there a scene in a past epi (can't remember which one) where Walt spoke backwards? I definitely remember it, does anyone else?

"Revolution number nine, number nine, number nine"....."Paul is dead" It was before the 80's!!!!!

[Brother Desmond]

Wasn't there a scene in a past epi (can't remember which one) where Walt spoke backwards? I definitely remember it, does anyone else?

I think you are right. I don't remember exactly which episode, but I believe Walt spoke backwards during one of his "appearances" to Shannon.

[Dessie_hull]

Doesn't walt say push the button dont push the button?

[notsolost42]

Doesn't walt say push the button dont push the button?

I looked it up in Lostpedia. This is the synopsis:

They (Sayid and Shannon) make love, and Shannon asks if they are serious now. Sayid playfully says that he does this "for all the girls I meet on deserted islands." Afterward, Shannon wants to leave to get a drink of water, but Sayid leaves instead to get it for her. While he is gone, Walt appears in the tent, dripping wet and speaking backwards. He says what appears to be, "They're coming and they're close."

“Abandoned” Season 2

That was the first time Walt appeared to her. The second time was right before she was shot. He didn't speak but he was still all wet. It was shortly after that scene in "Abandoned".

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Yes Locke I'd be interested. Please post them.

I just checked out the sites posted in this thread and they are all similar, so I'll save you the trouble of reading more of the same. Seems to be the spirits of the dead talking amongst themselves while they watch the Losties figure out their lost lives on the island...

[Jeremy]

I looked it up in Lostpedia. This is the synopsis:

They (Sayid and Shannon) make love, and Shannon asks if they are serious now. Sayid playfully says that he does this "for all the girls I meet on deserted islands." Afterward, Shannon wants to leave to get a drink of water, but Sayid leaves instead to get it for her. While he is gone, Walt appears in the tent, dripping wet and speaking backwards. He says what appears to be, "They're coming and they're close."

“Abandoned” Season 2

That was the first time Walt appeared to her. The second time was right before she was shot. He didn't speak but he was still all wet. It was shortly after that scene in "Abandoned".

Really? I thought he'd also appeared to her in Man of Science, Man of Faith, but my memory is a bit foggy.

[beachblinkette]

BucFan, thanks for a very mind opening idea on the whispers. It's amazing how many new ideas that are out there have surfaced in our discussions of Lost. It's kind of an "all roads lead to Lost" thing. I was curious about this reverse speech phenomenon being present in the speech of babies. There was a segment on one of the news shows about babies' different cries having a certain meaning like I'm hungry, or I'm in pain, or I'm tired. Then there's Aaron's cries on Lost when something happens to a character. Just always finding something new and interesting here!

[sirchin]

Unfortunately, reverse speech isn't real. It's just the power of suggestion leading people to hear patterns in noise.

So it's sorta like when people see the face of Christ on a potato or something? I remember seeing a picture of a huge column of smoke coming from the fire of The World Trade Centers. It looked as though there was the face of a demon or something in it. But I was "TOLD" to look for the face in the smoke, so it was probably just the power of suggestion as well. Falls in the same category as mass hysteria IMO.

[sirchin]

I just checked out the sites posted in this thread and they are all similar, so I'll save you the trouble of reading more of the same. Seems to be the spirits of the dead talking amongst themselves while they watch the Losties figure out their lost lives on the island...

Yes that is a good explanation of what the voices are. I just wonder if it means anything to the show or is it just an easter egg. Some of the transcripts suggest the voices/spirits can interact with the living. You hear such things as "can't I just stop him?", or "should we talk to him?". We know the answer "MAY" be yes they can intervine, but it's according to what is true about what the writers are implying. Is Charley really appearing to Hurley?, or is Hurley just crazy, or dreaming? Is Christain really dead?, or is he some part of island's secrets? etc.

[krakup]

Yes that is a good explanation of what the voices are. I just wonder if it means anything to the show or is it just an easter egg. Some of the transcripts suggest the voices/spirits can interact with the living. You hear such things as "can't I just stop him?", or "should we talk to him?". We know the answer "MAY" be yes they can intervine, but it's according to what is true about what the writers are implying. Is Charley really appearing to Hurley?, or is Hurley just crazy, or dreaming? Is Christain really dead?, or is he some part of island's secrets? etc.

*BUMP* this seems to be your thread Bucfan