Season Re-watch

[boutte]

OK so we are rewatching the first season and I'm not too sure if we are going to do it here or on the Gen Dis. board. I think we were talking about doing on either Wed or Thur but since X-mas already has his season four thread set up for thurs I think we should do it on Wed.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Yey! I'm first! ;)
Ok, Bouttte, carrying this out from the Other thread...
Yes, I was thinking you'd likely bring that up about the camara cuts and Jack's "jumps". It was recently discussed somewhere else here on the dark side, but we can continue it if you have ideas.

I did pay close att'n, but I honestly do not think that at that point in the show (quite new) the writers would even expect anyone to pick up on any of that, had it actually meant something. And, unless I'm wrong, no one did (at that time). Also, Jack WAS on the plane, so it would be unlikely that he did some sort of simultanous time hopping. I really think heads started going crazy when someone theorized that the piece of bamboo next to Jack was Ben's baton.
As for the shoe, still think it was simply an omen. Something to give us that queezy feeling of things to come.

[boutte]

Yey! I'm first! ;)


I did pay close att'n, but I honestly do not think that at that point in the show (quite new) the writers would even expect anyone to pick up on any of that, had it actually meant something. Good point. Sometimes I forget that when these episodes were being aired neither the viewers nor the producers knew how things were going to pan out. But TPTB did say that the big clue was in the first episode and every one missed it so I tended to look for stuff I missed the first nine times I watched it.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

What is TPTB??

[boutte]

What is TPTB??The Powers That Be. The producers. Lindelhof and whats his name.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

While I'm waiting for you to come back, I will toss out one thing that isn't exactly important... You know how everyone got suspicious of Nathan (or was it Ethan) when he emerged on the scene and wasn't at all wet? How come no one questioned Jack when HE was not wet?? Wouldn't it have been plausible that Ethan had been thrown into the trees just like Jack?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

The Powers That Be. The producers. Lindelhof and whats his name.

Ohh. (Carlton Cuse, Damon Lindeloff, and JJ Mc - I mean, Abrams. teehee)

[boutte]

Most of them were pretty much dry. I think. One other thing that struck me was that it seems like Vincent was being set up to be more important than we've seen since the first few episodes. again this could be a case of the show being new and not having a firm direction yet. On the other hand we've seen things seemingly be forgotten about only to pop up again at a later date. You just never know when your being lead astray.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Boutte, I watched the first entire disc, so I don't exactly remember if this was on epi 2 or later, so sorry, but here I go with a thought, nonetheless...

How about maybe that "big clue" was more having to do with JOHN rather than with Jack? They panned a very nice shot focusing in on John's expression standing there like he was one with the island right from the get go, with what they wanted to look like a "menacing" countenance... you know that frame I'm talking about? Where Locke squints sort of and looks off like something's up?... How did that set with you?
I, for one, did not feel at all threatened. The focus may very well have been to show us this was primarily about LOCKE, but to ME, John still had that certain Ghandi-ness about him that made me feel safe and trusting with him.
You?

[boutte]

Are you watching a DVD or are going to the ABC Lost website?

[boutte]

Boutte, I watched the first entire disc, so I don't exactly remember if this was on epi 2 or later, so sorry, but here I go with a thought, nonetheless...

How about maybe that "big clue" was more having to do with JOHN rather than with Jack? They panned a very nice shot focusing in on John's expression standing there like he was one with the island right from the get go, with what they wanted to look like a "menacing" countenance... you know that frame I'm talking about? Where Locke squints sort of and looks off like something's up?... How did that set with you?
I, for one, did not feel at all threatened. The focus may very well have been to show us this was primarily about LOCKE, but to ME, John still had that certain Ghandi-ness about him that made me feel safe and trusting with him.
You?
Yeah I pretty much had the impression that Locke was a sort of wise man figure right from the start. Although when he started to get friendly with Walt and Michael got suspicious of him I was afraid he was going to be a pedophile or something.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Most of them were pretty much dry. I think. One other thing that struck me was that it seems like Vincent was being set up to be more important than we've seen since the first few episodes. again this could be a case of the show being new and not having a firm direction yet. On the other hand we've seen things seemingly be forgotten about only to pop up again at a later date. You just never know when your being lead astray.

Yes, and there are just so many areas we could focus on. I quite honestly never, until I read stuff in this forum, even thought about Vincent being important. Like relating to when he's around or not around, the bad or good things that happen.
You know, it's rather hard to believe that the writers actually said that THEY don't even know where the storyline will go from one script to the next... come on... if they didn't have a master plan, they could NEVER draw all the coincidences together to make such a phenominal show, you know?...

So, did you feel Vincent was significant in the first epi's?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Yeah I pretty much had the impression that Locke was a sort of wise man figure right from the start. Although when he started to get friendly with Walt and Michael got suspicious of him I was afraid he was going to be a pedophile or something.

Ha! Yeah, that's something that occurs in the back of our minds, I think, just because we naturally tend to guard all children, but that would have been just too creepy a thing to have on this show. Besides, John did keep a physical distance of a sort when he became aware that Michael was uncomfortable about him being around Walt. He did try to respect this. It was Walt who went back to talk with John, right? Not John after that.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Are you watching a DVD or are going to the ABC Lost website?

DVD. Why? I do have dial up and cannot get "action" type things on this computer. Am I missing something? I can't see movie trailers or anything...

[Brother Desmond]

While I'm waiting for you to come back, I will toss out one thing that isn't exactly important... You know how everyone got suspicious of Nathan (or was it Ethan) when he emerged on the scene and wasn't at all wet? How come no one questioned Jack when HE was not wet?? Wouldn't it have been plausible that Ethan had been thrown into the trees just like Jack?

Hey guys, hope you don't mind me jumping in, but here I go....

I think they were suspicious of Nathan being dry because the tail section landed in the water. The middle section didn't land in the water and everyone was pretty much dry.

[boutte]

I think he's going to be important eventually. Have you ever seen the little snippets they have on the ABC site called Missing pieces? (or Lost Pieces or something like that) They're pieces of the show that wound up being edited out. Originally the first thing you were going to see was vincent in the forest. The next you saw was Christian standing in forest in his suit, he tells Vincent "Go wake up my son. He has work to do." Vincent then runs to where Kack is laying and then we see what turned to be the original opener when we saw Jacks eye.

[boutte]

Hey guys, hope you don't mind me jumping in, but here I go....

I think they were suspicious of Nathan being dry because the tail section landed in the water. The middle section didn't land in the water and everyone was pretty much dry.OK! glad you're here. I'm kind od confused about who Ethan was. I know Goodwin went to the tail section and the other creepy guy whoCharlie killed went to mid section. I forgot his name and I haven't gotten that far into it yet.

Locke I forgot about your slow connection. You might be able to see the clips though, but it might take too long to laod.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I think he's going to be important eventually. Have you ever seen the little snippets they have on the ABC site called Missing pieces? (or Lost Pieces or something like that) They're pieces of the show that wound up being edited out. Originally the first thing you were going to see was vincent in the forest. The next you saw was Christian standing in forest in his suit, he tells Vincent "Go wake up my son. He has work to do." Vincent then runs to where Kack is laying and then we see what turned to be the original opener when we saw Jacks eye.

NO!!!! I didn't know that at all!!! wow!!! No, the only edits I have are the cut scenes on the discs... like Ben and Alex where he tells her he might be dying and she vehemently defies him and he just sits there sort of pouting.
No, I never even heard of Missing Pieces. And why would they give us these snippets, anyway?

[Brother Desmond]

OK! glad you're here. I'm kind od confused about who Ethan was. I know Goodwin went to the tail section and the other creepy guy whoCharlie killed went to mid section. I forgot his name and I haven't gotten that far into it yet.

Locke I forgot about your slow connection. You might be able to see the clips though, but it might take too long to laod.

Oh yeah, where I typed Nathan I meant to say Goodwin. The creepy guy who Charlie killed was Ethan. Nathan was that one that was made to look like the spy for The Others, which turned out to be Ethan.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

OK! glad you're here. I'm kind od confused about who Ethan was. I know Goodwin went to the tail section and the other creepy guy whoCharlie killed went to mid section. I forgot his name and I haven't gotten that far into it yet.

Locke I forgot about your slow connection. You might be able to see the clips though, but it might take too long to laod.

Yeah, bummer.:(
Hi, BroDes! I'm sure you can discuss epi 1 with Boutte on a far more intellectual level than I have been able to!
My question is who was Nathan again? Ethan was an Other, along with Goodwin. I can't even remember what Nathan looked like.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Oh yeah, where I typed Nathan I meant to say Goodwin. The creepy guy who Charlie killed was Ethan. Nathan was that one that was made to look like the spy for The Others, which turned out to be Ethan.

and Nathan, then, was actually a passenger? I think I remember they killed him accidently thinking he was a bad guy. right ? or not? :eek:

[Brother Desmond]

Yeah, bummer.:(
Hi, BroDes! I'm sure you can discuss epi 1 with Boutte on a far more intellectual level than I have been able to!
My question is who was Nathan again? Ethan was an Other, along with Goodwin. I can't even remember what Nathan looked like.

Hey, Locke. Nathan was tall, dark hair, and beard. The show made it seem like he was the spy, and Ana-Lucia threw him into the pit that Michael, Jin and Sawyer were thrown into.

[boutte]

I think there was a Nathan but he got killed off early.

[Brother Desmond]

and Nathan, then, was actually a passenger? I think I remember they killed him accidently thinking he was a bad guy. right ? or not? :eek:

Yes, Nathan was actually on the plane. Goodwin killed Nathan because he was afraid Ana-Lucia would soon realize that he (Nathan) wasn't the spy, and would possibly suspect Goodwin.

[Anton]

hey guys, sorry I'm late, I just found season one (and ryan gave me hell about it) sorry about that, I am re-watching it now! could you guys give me a basic somery of what we are talking about right now, so I can get in on the conversation,(by the way, I think this should just be a preliminary as we are waiting for missie, and I would hate to make her think we started without her.)

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Yes, Nathan was actually on the plane. Goodwin killed Nathan because he was afraid Ana-Lucia would soon realize that he (Nathan) wasn't the spy, and would possibly suspect Goodwin.

Whoa! She killed BOTH of them? man, what a bi... ha! Oh, I remember now.
Poor Nathan. He kept lamenting he was innocent, right?

[Brother Desmond]

Whoa! She killed BOTH of them? man, what a bi... ha! Oh, I remember now.
Poor Nathan. He kept lamenting he was innocent, right?

Yup, Nathan contended that he was innocent, which in fact, he was.

[Anton]

**** it! my DVD player is broken, and I cant wach the episodes! Talk about your run of bad LUCK! I think I am on to something and the island is mad at me

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

hey guys, sorry I'm late, I just found season one (and ryan gave me hell about it) sorry about that, I am re-watching it now! could you guys give me a basic somery of what we are talking about right now, so I can get in on the conversation,(by the way, I think this should just be a preliminary as we are waiting for missie, and I would hate to make her think we started without her.)

ARHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGG! Anton, how come every time I see you, I put my head in my hands and go ARHHHHHHHHGGGGG!!! ???

No, I'm sorry, pal. You may stay. I'm just kidding you. You're a good kid and you have a lot of very good things to say. Welcome to Boutte's new thread! :D:D

[boutte]

hey guys, sorry I'm late, I just found season one (and ryan gave me hell about it) sorry about that, I am re-watching it now! could you guys give me a basic somery of what we are talking about right now, so I can get in on the conversation,(by the way, I think this should just be a preliminary as we are waiting for missie, and I would hate to make her think we started without her.)

But we did. Actually I think we may be jumping the gun because although I suggested starting on Wed so as to not conflict with Xmas' thread we never really agreed on it. Ohwell too late now.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

**** it! my DVD player is broken, and I cant wach the episodes! Talk about your run of bad LUCK! I think I am on to something and the island is mad at me

You think you've got it bad? Every time I talk to Boutte lately, I'm seeing shadows flash behind me in the screen or in my peripheral vision... tell me if that isn't creepy.
Ok, back to the subject at hand, EPI 1, Season 1... **snaps the clapper thing

[boutte]

**** it! my DVD player is broken, and I cant wach the episodes! Talk about your run of bad LUCK! I think I am on to something and the island is mad at meGo watch it on the website. You can still jump back and forth.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

But we did. Actually I think we may be jumping the gun because although I suggested starting on Wed so as to not conflict with Xmas' thread we never really agreed on it. Ohwell too late now.

I seconded the motion, so that makes it ok. right??:cool:

[Brother Desmond]

Yeah I pretty much had the impression that Locke was a sort of wise man figure right from the start. Although when he started to get friendly with Walt and Michael got suspicious of him I was afraid he was going to be a pedophile or something.

To tell you the truth, I had a wary feeling from Locke at the end of the episode "Tabula Rasa" If I remember correctly, they pan to Locke and they play ominous music.

[Anton]

Go watch it on the website. You can still jump back and forth.

I would but my mom has perental controls on, so I can't go outside of the aprooved web sight's!

[boutte]

You think you've got it bad? Every time I talk to Boutte lately, I'm seeing shadows flash behind me in the screen or in my peripheral vision... tell me if that isn't creepy.
Ok, back to the subject at hand, EPI 1, Season 1... **snaps the clapper thingAre you saying I'm creepy? If you are that's OK. I kind of like it. ;)

Back to the first episode, Sawyer was such a major dick! Did you ever think you's wind up liking him? Unlike Hurley whom you knew immediately you were going to love. When he passed out while helping Jack take the shrapnel out of the marshal I laughed my ass off.

[boutte]

I would but my mom has perental controls on, so I can't go outside of the aprooved web sight's!
Tell her what you're trying to watch. She'll probably put in her password for you. (Unless she's evil)

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I would but my mom has perental controls on, so I can't go outside of the aprooved web sight's!

Yet, he goes into the barma every night and continues to beg for drinks and adult conversation...

[Anton]

ARHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGG! Anton, how come every time I see you, I put my head in my hands and go ARHHHHHHHHGGGGG!!! ???

No, I'm sorry, pal. You may stay. I'm just kidding you. You're a good kid and you have a lot of very good things to say. Welcome to Boutte's new thread! :D:D

LOL, ARHHHHHHHGGGGG to you too! thank you, but I think I will be stuck in the general descution's since I can't wach the season... sorry guys.
boute, I agree too late now, I am heading to the barma, I got more spatin if you guys are interested *walks away sly like*

[Anton]

Yet, he goes into the barma every night and continues to beg for drinks and adult conversation...

LOL, my mom has seen the blog and loves you guys and all your talk! the only reason she's not here intead of me, is cause I got here first, and finders keepers.
I did ask, but she is to bussy talking with my grandma and wont spare a second to input the password! :mad:

[boutte]

Phew! I thought he'd never leave.

(I'm just kidding with you Anton. Kids are so easy to pick on. :D)

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Are you saying I'm creepy? If you are that's OK. I kind of like it. ;)

Back to the first episode, Sawyer was such a major dick! Did you ever think you's wind up liking him? Unlike Hurley whom you knew immediately you were going to love. When he passed out while helping Jack take the shrapnel out of the marshal I laughed my ass off.

Yeah, really. I didn't even find him (Sawyer) attractive because he was so unattractive on the inside and acted so unbecoming toward the rest who were in dire distress. His character definitely grew the most, IMO. (Hey, I got to say IMO!)

[Brother Desmond]

Back to the first episode, Sawyer was such a major dick! Did you ever think you's wind up liking him? Unlike Hurley whom you knew immediately you were going to love. When he passed out while helping Jack take the shrapnel out of the marshal I laughed my ass off.

Haha, "It's a rescue plan, Yay, we're saved!" That was great.

I had a feeling I would enjoy his one-liners, but not the character, necessarily. Whether you like him or not, I did enjoy his contrast to the other survivors. There is always one in the crowd.

[Anton]

Phew! I thought he'd never leave.

(I'm just kidding with you Anton. Kids are so easy to pick on. :D)

thats OK, OLD MAN, its so easy picking on old guys (just kidding):D
actualy, I always liked sawyer, I can't say as I liked the way he acted allot of the time, but you know, he's kinda like me, you know, if my parents hadn't brought me down to size when I was a kid, I have been know to do some of the same things he has done (all my friends know me as "the conman" cause I am always doing things to screw with them) I con, not to get anything out of it, but just to mess with people, or at least, I used to, I never did anything quite as bad as sawyer, as you can guess.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Where'd everyone go? Is it barma time already?
Boutte is appointed official keeper of the thread, so when we're ajourned, isn't he supposed to pound his gavel or something first???

[boutte]

I started a thread once called Big WOWs. In it I said that Lost had more moments that made you say WOW! than any TV show ever. The first WoW moment was that first night when they heard the noise in the jungle and saw the trees being knocked over. Up till then I had no idea what kind of show I was watching. I think that scene is when I first got hooked.

[Anton]

Where'd everyone go? Is it barma time already?
Boutte is appointed official keeper of the thread, so when we're ajourned, isn't he supposed to pound his gavel or something first???

yeah, are they all gone, thats not right!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

thats OK, OLD MAN, its so easy picking on old guys (just kidding):D
actualy, I always liked sawyer, I can't say as I liked the way he acted allot of the time, but you know, he's kinda like me, you know, if my parents hadn't brought me down to size when I was a kid, I have been know to do some of the same things he has done (all my friends know me as "the conman" cause I am always doing things to screw with them) I con, not to get anything out of it, but just to mess with people, or at least, I used to, I never did anything quite as bad as sawyer, as you can guess.

So you're saying you've never shot an innocent man, spent time in the big house or kept a creepy letter you wrote yourself when you were 7?...Good to know...

[boutte]

Where'd everyone go? Is it barma time already?
Boutte is appointed official keeper of the thread, so when we're ajourned, isn't he supposed to pound his gavel or something first???
Nah it's a free flow, no rules kinda thing. Sometimes it seems like I left but it's just that I'm labouriously peck out my response.

I am going to go watch another episode now though. See ya'll when I get back.

[Anton]

So you're saying you've never shot an innocent man, spent time in the big house or kept a creepy letter you wrote yourself when you were 7?...Good to know...

he didn't write it to himself silly!, but no, I haven't done most of those things, but I do keep a letter I wrote to somebody a long time ago, I got to go guys, see you later!

[Brother Desmond]

Nah it's a free flow, no rules kinda thing. Sometimes it seems like I left but it's just that I'm labouriously peck out my response.

I am going to go watch another episode now though. See ya'll when I get back.

What episode are you on? So I know when you come back, I'm leaving for the weekend tomorrow so I'm doing things around the house and I haven't watched any of the episodes.

[boutte]

What episode are you on? So I know when you come back, I'm leaving for the weekend tomorrow so I'm doing things around the house and I haven't watched any of the episodes.
I'll be watching episode 3 and maybe 4. I really should go work on my website but I'm feeling lazy.

[Brother Desmond]

I'll be watching episode 3 and maybe 4. I really should go work on my website but I'm feeling lazy.

Thanks, buddy. This is a website, do work here. :p

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I started a thread once called Big WOWs. In it I said that Lost had more moments that made you say WOW! than any TV show ever. The first WoW moment was that first night when they heard the noise in the jungle and saw the trees being knocked over. Up till then I had no idea what kind of show I was watching. I think that scene is when I first got hooked.

You know when I had a "big WOW" ? When I saw Boutte in his tux the first time! (and the second, and the third, and ... )

ok, back to the subject at hand. Epi 1, scene whatever, season 1 CLAP

I think the phenomenal way the creators put the show together from the first shot of Jack's eye opening (and the reflection of the palm tree in his pupil, what a touch!) was what made this show a BIG WOW. The viewer only hears what Jack hears, only sees what Jack sees... this wow draws us in completely engrossed from the get go. OH, YEAH, BIG BIG WOW!
and from the quietude of the jungle to the sudden shot of utter panic, Shannon standing there in hysterics, the guy getting sucked into the engines
... yes, big wow for television! And then... yeah... that dinosaur sounding thing from the jungle sucking trees into the bowels of the earth... WTF, right?
(Oh, I got to say WTF! HA another big wow);)

[boutte]

the guy getting sucked into the engines

Good call! I forgot about that one. That was a definite wow.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

he didn't write it to himself silly!, but no, I haven't done most of those things, but I do keep a letter I wrote to somebody a long time ago, I got to go guys, see you later!

I know that! I was typing furiously and knew that didn't sound quite right...
**cocks head like Juliet** But thank you for pointing that out, Anton.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

ok, love this thread, and the privilege of being one of the first to post on it and feel half way smart. But I have to run now! Check in probably not til tomorrow. Thanks for starting this boutte!

[Brother Desmond]

ok, love this thread, and the privilege of being one of the first to post on it and feel half way smart. But I have to run now! Check in probably not til tomorrow. Thanks for starting this boutte!

Leaving already? See you, Locke.

[Anton]

Your welcome locke!
hey guys, I am back in the barma, if you want to meet me there.

[Lost in VA]

The guy who got sucked into the engine was Gary Troup, the author of the book "Bad Twin" (which isnt to bad if you havent read it).

[Lost in VA]

I've mentioned this before but one of the things I found odd was, Jack sure was along way into the jungle, because it seemed like he ran forever before he got to the beach.

[Anton]

VA, I was thinking the same thing, and whats up with the tennis shoe? why did they move in on it like that?
BTW guy's, my older brother is letting me use his portable DVD player till he gets the other one fixed, so I am watching the DVD's now.

[boutte]

The guy who got sucked into the engine was Gary Troup, the author of the book "Bad Twin" (which isnt to bad if you havent read it).I've heard several people mention that book. What's it about?

[Missie]

Wow.... I was going to start this thread but to my surprize it was already started!

*reminder: watch when you can, post when you can*

Ok Episode One...

Starts with an eye.....a recurance we have seen a lot.

Strang...the beginning scene looks a lot like the beginning scene to Ben's flashforward.

Note...I forgot how much I love the scene when Jack and Kate meet. The story he tells....awwww

Ok, Im on vacation, so thats why my post is short, Ill post a longer examination on Monday! Later!

[Anton]

Wow.... I was going to start this thread but to my surprize it was already started!

*reminder: watch when you can, post when you can*

Ok Episode One...

Starts with an eye.....a recurance we have seen a lot.

Strang...the beginning scene looks a lot like the beginning scene to Ben's flashforward.

Note...I forgot how much I love the scene when Jack and Kate meet. The story he tells....awwww

Ok, Im on vacation, so thats why my post is short, Ill post a longer examination on Monday! Later!

Hi Missie, good to see you, cant wait for your next post, and I agree with you.

[Lost in VA]

I've heard several people mention that book. What's it about?
It's about a detective that solves a murder mystery. It has nothing to do with Lost
but there are references to Widmore (actually some of the characters are Widmores)
and Paik.

[lostNspace]

The guy who got sucked into the engine was Gary Troup, the author of the book "Bad Twin" (which isnt to bad if you havent read it).

Wow, that's odd. I am reading through the LOST book list (lostpedia) and I just read that book. I logged in to do a search on Gary Troup. It is a good book and a easy read. Much easier than Our Mutual Friend by Dickens (852 pages written in 1864). If you are thinking of going through the LOST book list start with this one.

[landothelost]

Wow, that's odd. I am reading through the LOST book list (lostpedia) and I just read that book. I logged in to do a search on Gary Troup. It is a good book and a easy read. Much easier than Our Mutual Friend by Dickens (852 pages written in 1864). If you are thinking of going through the LOST book list start with this one.

I am reading The Third Policeman. so far, pretty good. Bad Twin is next on my list.

[Anton]

Hey guys, I just got finished with the first four episodes, and I don't get what you are saying about sawyer, I mean, I know he's got a pretty bad attitude, but still, he is compassionate and charring! I mean, he almost cries in the first few episodes. he's rough around the edges, but I think that anyone would be if you had such a bad life fallowing you around. and as for the inhaler incident, well, can you blame him? that's the second time someone had been through his stash! if boune thought that he had the inhaler, the first thing to do would be to ask him, not start going through his stuff! I mean, if I had found boune doing that with my stuff. he would have not gotten away so easy!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I've heard several people mention that book. What's it about?

Boutte, Gary Troup is an anagram for PURGATORY. (just funny...)

[Anton]

How come every one is ignoring me? did I do something wrong?

[landothelost]

I don't think anyone is ignoring you Anton. Just not many people are on.

[landothelost]

I haven't read through every post in this thread, sorry. But, I have read some mention out how strange it is that Jack is so far into the jungle. The cockpit was pretty far into the jungle, so I don't fine too strange. I've also read that people have speculated that maybe Jack wasn't on the plane. i believe he was. Cindy gave him a couple bottles of booze (gin or vodka) while he was on the plane. In the jungle he pulls one out of his pocket.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Where's Boutte? Maybe I'll see you's a little later tonight.

[gingergrant]

I was thinking about the first episodes and suddenly thought about the monster in the jungle and the food that people are eating. Does the monster attack people more if they haven't eaten island food? Did Eko eat mostly DHARMA food? Everyone is eating mangos and drinking water all of the time.
Remember when claire eats the urchin from Jin and the baby kicks, do you think that things were on hold for her or something until she ate island food?
Who else encounters smokey and survives? Locke, he ate a pig.
Just thinking.

[Anton]

I was thinking about the first episodes and suddenly thought about the monster in the jungle and the food that people are eating. Does the monster attack people more if they haven't eaten island food? Did Eko eat mostly DHARMA food? Everyone is eating mangos and drinking water all of the time.
Remember when claire eats the urchin from Jin and the baby kicks, do you think that things were on hold for her or something until she ate island food?
Who else encounters smokey and survives? Locke, he ate a pig.
Just thinking.

I think thats a good question, its definitely worth looking into, and I am glad no one is ignoring me, cause I was started to get worried!:D

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I was thinking about the first episodes and suddenly thought about the monster in the jungle and the food that people are eating. Does the monster attack people more if they haven't eaten island food? Did Eko eat mostly DHARMA food? Everyone is eating mangos and drinking water all of the time.
Remember when claire eats the urchin from Jin and the baby kicks, do you think that things were on hold for her or something until she ate island food?
Who else encounters smokey and survives? Locke, he ate a pig.
Just thinking.

Ginger, do you set your hair with Dharma orange juice cans?

[LostFreak21]

What I thought was very strange was when Charlie is standing there and that big flaming thing lands right next to him and he doesn't even flinch.
Another is the way Jack walks out of the jungle and looks right and doesn't see or hear anything and looks to the left and all this stuff is going on. Wouldn't you look to the left first because you would hear all of that? Strange.

[Anton]

What I thought was very strange was when Charlie is standing there and that big flaming thing lands right next to him and he doesn't even flinch.
Another is the way Jack walks out of the jungle and looks right and doesn't see or hear anything and looks to the left and all this stuff is going on. Wouldn't you look to the left first because you would hear all of that? Strange.

Charlie flinched, you just couldn't see it!:D and then there is the fact that he was hi AND he had adrenalin pumping through his body, it can make you kinda dizzy don't you think?
and as for Jack, I was impaired by what he was drinking on the plain, you know, the drinks he was getting from the stewardess. and he had adrenalin pumping through his body! so it can be kinda hard to find what you are looking for, esp when it is that loud a problem, its had to tell where a sound is coming form outside, plus, the louder it gets, the harder it is to find, if it is not close by.

[Anton]

Charlie flinched, you just couldn't see it!:D and then there is the fact that he was hi AND he had adrenalin pumping through his body, it can make you kinda dizzy don't you think?
and as for Jack, I was impaired by what he was drinking on the plain, you know, the drinks he was getting from the stewardess. and he had adrenalin pumping through his body! so it can be kinda hard to find what you are looking for, esp when it is that loud a problem, its had to tell where a sound is coming form outside, plus, the louder it gets, the harder it is to find, if it is not close by.

I meant to say, "I think he was impaired..." sorry bout that folk's.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

ANTON! You been taking your smart pills today? Those were good observations, and more than that, PRACTICAL explanations.

Sorry if I am redundant here, but I honestly think if I'd just been dropped thousands of feet into the jungle floor, it'd take ME a few minutes to re-acclimate, too! Nothin' spooky going on here, folks.

[LostFreak21]

Jack saved and organized people. He wasn't scared or freaked out about it. I just don't get why he was in the jungle. There must be a reason that he was the one in the jungle.

[stargazer]

Jack saved and organized people. He wasn't scared or freaked out about it. I just don't get why he was in the jungle. There must be a reason that he was the one in the jungle.

I just figured he landed there.
Maybe it was done that way for dramatic effect. Having him walk onto the beach into utter chaos was pretty effective.

[stargazer]

I cheated. I watched 2 episodes from Season 3 today.

[boutte]

I cheated. I watched 2 episodes from Season 3 today.
Which ones?

[stargazer]

Which ones?

Flashes Before Your Eyes and Par Avion, Ep. 8 and 12.

[gingergrant]

Ginger, do you set your hair with Dharma orange juice cans?

Kid! you are so funny! how did you know? I like tubular hair that you can see the sky through! :D

[Anton]

ANTON! You been taking your smart pills today? Those were good observations, and more than that, PRACTICAL explanations.

Sorry if I am redundant here, but I honestly think if I'd just been dropped thousands of feet into the jungle floor, it'd take ME a few minutes to re-acclimate, too! Nothin' spooky going on here, folks.

Thank you locke, but in all reality, it is not as if they were great observations, in fact, I have been doing this kind of tv show thing my hole life, I can tell you what is going to happen 10 minutes before it does. my hole life I have been interested in understanding, and picking apart movies and shows to see if there is a better way to put them together. In fact, LOST is the first show I have watched in a long time that I actually didn't get right 100% of the time! I mean, after I get an answer, I can tell you how we got there, but I can't always tell you BEFORE we get there. and yes, I HAVE been taking my smart pills!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Thank you locke, but in all reality, it is not as if they were great observations, in fact, I have been doing this kind of tv show thing my hole life, I can tell you what is going to happen 10 minutes before it does. my hole life I have been interested in understanding, and picking apart movies and shows to see if there is a better way to put them together. In fact, LOST is the first show I have watched in a long time that I actually didn't get right 100% of the time! I mean, after I get an answer, I can tell you how we got there, but I can't always tell you BEFORE we get there. and yes, I HAVE been taking my smart pills!

Ok, well, now you're just scary...

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I just figured he landed there.
Maybe it was done that way for dramatic effect. Having him walk onto the beach into utter chaos was pretty effective.

I might be wrong, but didn't Bernard land in a tree still in his chair? Am I thinking of something else?...

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Oh, man, I am sorry to run 3 consecutive posts like this, but just thought of something else about Jack I don't particularly like. In first epi, don't you think he should have simply said to a concerned Boone, "Here, tip her head back like this" instead of taking the time to smart off at the kid about his needing to go back and retake his lifeguard cpr class (or something like that)?
Yes, I know Jack was running around like a maniac himself trying to save/help the injured, but under those circumstances which required short simple commands, I just think it was an arrogant remark to make to poor Boone. Then when Boone offered to collect pens, Jack STILL had an arrogant look on his face when he responded, "Yeah, you go do that..."
Sometimes Jack has no bedside manner at all...

[Jeremy]

I'd rewatch it but I'm too lazy. I'll just go ahead and say I like the other seasons more for other reasons, but it's still good.

[Anton]

Oh, man, I am sorry to run 3 consecutive posts like this, but just thought of something else about Jack I don't particularly like. In first epi, don't you think he should have simply said to a concerned Boone, "Here, tip her head back like this" instead of taking the time to smart off at the kid about his needing to go back and retake his lifeguard cpr class (or something like that)?
Yes, I know Jack was running around like a maniac himself trying to save/help the injured, but under those circumstances which required short simple commands, I just think it was an arrogant remark to make to poor Boone. Then when Boone offered to collect pens, Jack STILL had an arrogant look on his face when he responded, "Yeah, you go do that..."
Sometimes Jack has no bedside manner at all...

I am sorry, but I have to disagree, if boon made that mistake once, he would make it twice. and if he will make it twice, that is another time he is putting someone in danger because he doesn't know how to handle the situation. I have to side with Jack on this one (and I tend not to side with him, so that is huge if you ask me.)

[Anton]

Hey guys, I just notist something wile re-watching this season, why was charlie in the fuselog? this on top of, why was the stewardess in the back of the plain even though she chased charlie all the way to the front. Add THAT on top of the fact that Jack was WAY into the woods when we first found him. THAT on top of the fact that Burnard was in the top of a tree buckled in a seat, can you say, SUSPICIOUS?

[landothelost]

Hey guys, I just notist something wile re-watching this season, why was charlie in the fuselog? this on top of, why was the stewardess in the back of the plain even though she chased charlie all the way to the front. Add THAT on top of the fact that Jack was WAY into the woods when we first found him. THAT on top of the fact that Burnard was in the top of a tree buckled in a seat, can you say, SUSPICIOUS?

I'm not sure what you mean by Charlie being in the fusolage? Was it the same stewardess? There are a few stewardesses on a flight. Jack wasn't as far into the jungle as the pilot in the cockpit. And we don't know that Jack was the only one that deep in the into the jungle. Hw may have been the only survivor. There could be many bodies strewn all over the jungle. Bernard in the tree. It was a plane crash. People and plane go everywhere in any condition.

[Anton]

I'm not sure what you mean by Charlie being in the fusolage? Was it the same stewardess? There are a few stewardesses on a flight. Jack wasn't as far into the jungle as the pilot in the cockpit. And we don't know that Jack was the only one that deep in the into the jungle. Hw may have been the only survivor. There could be many bodies strewn all over the jungle. Bernard in the tree. It was a plane crash. People and plane go everywhere in any condition.

Yes, I see your point, but if you watch episode two, you will see Charlie runing through the plane, all the way to the cockpit, where he pulls himself into the bathroom, the two people knocking on the door are a man, and a woman, the woman being the stewardess that was at the back of the plain in season two. when the plain starts to ratell, Charlie evacuates the bathroom and takes a seat in the front.

[Nickatine]

Anton, the stewerdess' name is Cindy, and the reason she was in the back of the plane while Charlie was in coach (the fuselodge) is because on an Airplane, particularly one the size of 815, the remaining flight attendants have their own seats located at the back of the plane. She was making them aware of Charlie's situation because he was having meth withdrawls while he was in the air, and I guess Cindy didn't want Charlie to freak out and disrupt everybody's flight... little did Cindy know that Charlie would be the least of everyone's worries during the flight.

[Nickatine]

To further explain... Cindy was in the tail section during the crash for the same reason that she was in the tail section when she warned the other attendants (the man that you are reffering to who is knocking on the bathroom door) about the whole Charlie situation. That is where the designated area is for her to be during an emergency. That is where the flight attendants emergency equipment, food, and seats are located on the airplane.

[Anton]

To further explain... Cindy was in the tail section during the crash for the same reason that she was in the tail section when she warned the other attendants (the man that you are reffering to who is knocking on the bathroom door) about the whole Charlie situation. That is where the designated area is for her to be during an emergency. That is where the flight attendants emergency equipment, food, and seats are located on the airplane.

Thank you Nick, that does clear up allot, but you didn't really help me with charlie, if you re-watch episode 2 you will see that Charlie runs to the very front of the plain, all the way to first class, when he exits the bath-room, he is almost hit by a food cart, he dodges and finds a seat t word's the back of first class, so what was he doing in the mid section of the plain? thank you for clearing up the Cindy problem (although there was no need to remind me of her name) I didn't know where the flight attendant's seats were, sorry.:(

[Nickatine]

No apology neccessary Anton. Charlie ran out of the bathroom and like you said found a seat towards the end of first class. When the plane crashed, it broke into three parts. The cockpit, where Jack, Charlie, and Kate went in the first episode, and the gravesite of the pilot thanks to smokey. The tail section, where Anna-Lucia, Mr. Ecko, Libby, Cindy, and Bernard (who I'm sure was using the bathroom located at the end of the plane) were at. And what you are reffering to as the fuselodge, which is not just composed of the middle section of the plane (or the coach section) it was actually split apart at a point where some of the back rows of first class (where Charlie was) and some front rows of the tail section (close to where Kate was located) were included in this massive chunk of the plane. It's very intriquite how everything takes form on this show, but hopefully that explains a little bit of it for you.

[Anton]

No apology neccessary Anton. Charlie ran out of the bathroom and like you said found a seat towards the end of first class. When the plane crashed, it broke into three parts. The cockpit, where Jack, Charlie, and Kate went in the first episode, and the gravesite of the pilot thanks to smokey. The tail section, where Anna-Lucia, Mr. Ecko, Libby, Cindy, and Bernard (who I'm sure was using the bathroom located at the end of the plane) were at. And what you are reffering to as the fuselodge, which is not just composed of the middle section of the plane (or the coach section) it was actually split apart at a point where some of the back rows of first class (where Charlie was) and some front rows of the tail section (close to where Kate was located) were included in this massive chunk of the plane. It's very intriquite how everything takes form on this show, but hopefully that explains a little bit of it for you.

Hmmm, a little, I get what you are saying, what puzzle's me, is how is it that charly happened to me in one of the few seats from first class that stayed with the the center, what is wearied to me is that in the first episode the had to climb all the way up a huge chunk of the plain (which I see as the hole first class portion to the plain, I could be wrong, but its just weared that charly would be in the center portion of the plain. thanks for trying to help me figure this out, we will have to talk some more, if we can find each other!

[Nickatine]

I don't mean to sound like John Locke, but don't confuse wierd coincidences with fate. Charlie was exactly where he was supposed to be on the plane at the time of the crash. He made it somehow, to the beach, and I'm pretty sure we have Jacob to thank for how everything has played out so far.

[Anton]

I don't mean to sound like John Locke, but don't confuse wierd coincidences with fate. Charlie was exactly where he was supposed to be on the plane at the time of the crash. He made it somehow, to the beach, and I'm pretty sure we have Jacob to thank for how everything has played out so far.

LOL, darn you, you must have said that to make me mad!:mad: Just kidding, yeah, I guess your right, I hope your wrong though, wouldn't it be so cool if next season it turns out that something happened to pull Charlie further back in the plain?

[Nickatine]

*Season 5 Episode 1*

We start the season off with Charlie in harms way during the crash, and Desmond finds a way to harness his time travelling ability due to the high exposure to electromagnetic energy, and picks Charlie up within a split second and places him safely in the middle of the plane where he will not have the same fate as the pilot and other passengers towards the front of the plane. This allows Desmond to manipulate Charlie in season 3 when he tells him he's going to die in the looking glass, so Widmore's boat can make it to the island. We then figure out that Desmond is Widmore's time travelling spy, using Desmond as a puppet in the past, present, and future... Sorry, kind of went off the deep end, but I just ran with it...

[Anton]

*Season 5 Episode 1*

We start the season off with Charlie in harms way during the crash, and Desmond finds a way to harness his time travelling ability due to the high exposure to electromagnetic energy, and picks Charlie up within a split second and places him safely in the middle of the plane where he will not have the same fate as the pilot and other passengers towards the front of the plane. This allows Desmond to manipulate Charlie in season 3 when he tells him he's going to die in the looking glass, so Widmore's boat can make it to the island. We then figure out that Desmond is Widmore's time travelling spy, using Desmond as a puppet in the past, present, and future... Sorry, kind of went off the deep end, but I just ran with it...

LOL, yeah, that was hilarious!

[boutte]

OK so tonight we'll start on episode 2 right? I know a lot of us have watched more episodes but we need to keep some kind structure so we can all be on the same page.

[landothelost]

OK so tonight we'll start on episode 2 right? I know a lot of us have watched more episodes but we need to keep some kind structure so we can all be on the same page.

Boutte, are we moving on to Pilot Pt. 2 or are we on Tabula Rasa? I'm not sure what we've done so far.

[boutte]

Boutte, are we moving on to Pilot Pt. 2 or are we on Tabula Rasa? I'm not sure what we've done so far.
Right Pilot pt2. I've been so busy I haven't had much of a chance to watch.

[Anton]

Sorry, I didn't mean to get that far ahead, I apologize for skipping the beet.

[boutte]

OK so I'm watching now and the first thing I wonder is why were they chasing him Charly around the plane. I know he was acting agitated but maybe he's just a bad flyer. I don't think there's any hidden meaning to it but it seems odd.

Why was the battery so low in the transciever?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

OK so I'm watching now and the first thing I wonder is why were they chasing him Charly around the plane. I know he was acting agitated but maybe he's just a bad flyer. I don't think there's any hidden meaning to it but it seems odd.

Why was the battery so low in the transciever?

Hi, Boutte! Nice to see you! I didn't think anything was up with the Charlie chase - just the obvious, that he was ACTING like an addict, and she wanted him to sit down, especially since something was amiss in the cockpit.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Boutte, have you any idea just how Sayid drew the deduction, and so quickly, that Danielle's message was on a loop for 16 yrs? I'm no mathmetition but I don't think ANYONE could deduce that...
Still, Sayid's a good one to have around when it comes to tech savey stuff, booby traps, and the like...

[boutte]

He counted the iterations ( the number of times the message played) and divided by the nunmber of seconds in between. Good math skills for sure.

He also very good at neck breaking.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

HA! Yes, he is at that!
Boutte, could you do that equation?

[boutte]

HA! Yes, he is at that!
Boutte, could you do that equation?Yeah, but not in my head while I'm having a coversation.

I'm watching this at same time I'm posting and noticed that when every one else hauled ass when the bear attacked Sawyer didn't even flinch. He's either very brave or has (had) a death wish.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Boutte, remember you had recently suggested a thread for "WOW" moments?
Why don't you post that? Watching the shows over again makes me remember the heart pumping, gasping moments we all loved so much, and the first season really started them out with a bang! Or a WOW! lol
When I re-watched the pilot being snatched out of the topof the plane, I recalled the first time and saying out loud, "WHAT WAS THAT?!"

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Yeah, but not in my head while I'm having a coversation.

I'm watching this at same time I'm posting and noticed that when every one else hauled ass when the bear attacked Sawyer didn't even flinch. He's either very brave or has (had) a death wish.

Yes! When I rewatched that one, I had wished I'd mentioned that to whomever it was who told me I was being too hard on Sawyer's first half of LOSTIE life. Reviewing this, I do think this was an act of bravery, not part of his death wish. These are little odds and ends I'd forgotten about. He wasn't all that bad, I guess.

Did you know that when they casted the characters, they were going to have Josh Holloway be Jack and Matthew Fox be Sawyer?

[boutte]

Boutte, remember you had recently suggested a thread for "WOW" moments?
Why don't you post that? Watching the shows over again makes me remember the heart pumping, gasping moments we all loved so much, and the first season really started them out with a bang! Or a WOW! lol
When I re-watched the pilot being snatched out of the topof the plane, I recalled the first time and saying out loud, "WHAT WAS THAT?!"
I was actually thinking that very thing. The bear was difinitely a Wow moment. Locke and the one side light and one side dark wasn't so much of a Wow but it certainly resonates as a very significant one. Was he allready beginning to get some kind of a vibe? Obviously he knew that something special was happening because he could suddenly walk again. Jack, Charly and Kate had run across the monster so they knew something unusual was on the Island but no hint of good and evil forces.

[boutte]

Did you know that when they casted the characters, they were going to have Josh Holloway be Jack and Matthew Fox be Sawyer?

That's strange after watching for 4 years I can't imagine it that way.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

You really could do an equation like that, Boutte? wow. funny how brains work - I could answer a lot about biological science but I can barely balance my checkbook!
Sorry - back to epi 2 ... I had been wondering if there may have been something up with the pilot once they introduced Frank... but this guy just seems like an ordinary Joe, doesn't he to you?
Would you like me to stop talking so you can watch? I'm sorry if I'm not doing this right.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I was actually thinking that very thing. The bear was difinitely a Wow moment. Locke and the one side light and one side dark wasn't so much of a Wow but it certainly resonates as a very significant one. Was he allready beginning to get some kind of a vibe? Obviously he knew that something special was happening because he could suddenly walk again. Jack, Charly and Kate had run across the monster so they knew something unusual was on the Island but no hint of good and evil forces.

Yeah, that light/dark side thing... IDK, sort of just Locke's usual lockieness, I think. lol ... although... it WAS Walt he addressed... hmmm...

But at that point on the island, I think John was just really really feeling he was finally in his element, not so much thinking about the significance of what would come ( like in the near future with the two forces, Ben/Widmore) etc...

[boutte]

I'm glad you're hear because I keep noticing stuff and it's nice to have some one to talk to about it. Like when Sawyer says to Kate, "I know your type." and Kate says I'm not so sure. I think he pretty much had her pegged.

I was terrible at math in school but in the real world I seem to be able to figure out practical math problems better than most people. If it involves complicated algebra or something I'm helpless though.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

**patiently waiting.... taps foot...**
Boutte? **tugs his sleeve** I have to go potty. Be back...

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I'm baaaa-aaack...
want a pop or something? There's no beer in this thread, is there?

I checked the who's online and we're the only living souls right now.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

That line made me uneasy what Sawyer said to Kate. I think a lot of us on this forum make assumptions about her that aren't backed up.
Why do you feel Sawyer had her pegged?

[boutte]

I'm baaaa-aaack...
want a pop or something? There's no beer in this thread, is there?

I checked the who's online and we're the only living souls right now.

It's Friday. Date night and all that I guess. Maybe I'll develope a social life in the near future. In the mean time I'll just work a lot hang out here. :)

[boutte]

He seemed to know right off the bat that they were going to connect. We just had the wrong impression about Sawyer, which made us think he was just an egotistical jerk.

[Anton]

HA! Yes, he is at that!
Boutte, could you do that equation?

I was doing the equation in my head at the same time as Syied, I figured it at about 17 years, I was off by half a year, but my parent's were as impressed as they have ever been. I have always been good at math, and I never thought that a movie writer would have out-witted me!:D

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

He seemed to know right off the bat that they were going to connect. We just had the wrong impression about Sawyer, which made us think he was just an egotistical jerk.

I guess it isn't really necessary to put your quote in here if we're the only ones on this thread, but... lol anyway, yeah, we have learned A LOT more about them all since the beginning!
About Kate, I think she sincerely couldn't choose between Jack and Sawyer - I don't think she was playing any games. And also note that she never once slept with Jack when they were all on the island.
I do think, however, that she has always struggled with what she wanted to be vs what she believed herself to be - and Sawyer was, in part, a representation of that "lower" life she wanted to escape from but never really could. Could that be what Sawyer meant??

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I mean that Kate fought her feelings because Sawyer was too much like what she always wanted to get away from. But Sawyer was being honest with himself, unlike Kate.

[Anton]

I think that Sawyer new who Kate was, she knew how to handle a gun, she never even came close to making me think any different. she didn't do anything that looked in-character for someone that doesn't know how to handle a gun

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I was doing the equation in my head at the same time as Syied, I figured it at about 17 years, I was off by half a year, but my parent's were as impressed as they have ever been. I have always been good at math, and I never thought that a movie writer would have out-witted me!:D

Hi, Anton. Guess Boutte and I aren't the only ones here after all. Congrats on being able to figure out that equation. But then, you probably just recently learned how to do it in school, right? That was a long time ago for us!

[boutte]

The hard part would be remembering the number of iterations. Also estimating the length of the message . All while a bunch of people are yelling back and forth at each other. It's not impossible but not many people could do it.

[Anton]

A good For-instance, is the fact that she had an almost perfect 'single-hand grip' on the gun, she pulled the slide back without any effort, and she still had the gun pointing at Sawyer in a threatening manner when she was pretending that she thought there was no ammo in the gun.

[Anton]

Hi, Anton. Guess Boutte and I aren't the only ones here after all. Congrats on being able to figure out that equation. But then, you probably just recently learned how to do it in school, right? That was a long time ago for us!

Not really, I have always been good at math, and its good to see you guys are on, how are you guys doing?
I agree boutte.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

The hard part would be remembering the number of iterations. Also estimating the length of the message . All while a bunch of people are yelling back and forth at each other. It's not impossible but not many people could do it.

LOL I guess then, I'll come running to you next time I find myself driving in circles without the vaguest idea where I am or how long I've been doing it!
What? That's never happened to anyone else??

[boutte]

A good For-instance, is the fact that she had an almost perfect 'single-hand hold' on the gun, she pulled the slide back without any effort, and she still had the gun pointing at Sawyer in a threatening manner when she was pretending that she thought there was no ammo in the gun.She did seem pretty handy with that gun. Speaking of that gun, it's a 9mm of some sort. I wonder if you could really take out a 1200 to 1500 pounds polar bear with it. You might be able to inflict a mortal wound but could you drop him in his tracks like that?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

A good For-instance, is the fact that she had an almost perfect 'single-hand grip' on the gun, she pulled the slide back without any effort, and she still had the gun pointing at Sawyer in a threatening manner when she was pretending that she thought there was no ammo in the gun.

good point. I thought, "she's going thru those instructions awfully fast for someone who never dismantled a gun before"... but as with a lot of things, I dismissed it.

[Anton]

She did seem pretty handy with that gun. Speaking of that gun, it's a 9mm of some sort. I wonder if you could really take out a 1200 to 1500 pounds polar bear with it. You might be able to inflict a mortal wound but could you drop him in his tracks like that?

NO, absolutely not, a pistole is barely able to take out a deer, even if you are shooting in the right place, a pistol just doesn't have enough kick, thats why I am always surprised when they are pulling out pistols instead of rifles!

[Anton]

good point. I thought, "she's going thru those instructions awfully fast for someone who never dismantled a gun before"... but as with a lot of things, I dismissed it.

Thats OK, usually it takes a Con-man to pick out another con-man.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

She did seem pretty handy with that gun. Speaking of that gun, it's a 9mm of some sort. I wonder if you could really take out a 1200 to 1500 pounds polar bear with it. You might be able to inflict a mortal wound but could you drop him in his tracks like that?

Hey, there's someone called "Otherhater" on another season thread right now. Isn't that a funny name? How come we never meet all them? I think they are afraid of us. Yeah, that's it...

Oh, the bear... um, I think it was close enough that Sawyer got him in the head. That was his strategy.

[Anton]

Hey, there's someone called "Otherhater" on another season thread right now. Isn't that a funny name? How come we never meet all them? I think they are afraid of us. Yeah, that's it...

Oh, the bear... um, I think it was close enough that Sawyer got him in the head. That was his strategy.

The head is the thickest part of any bone structure, not to mention the thickness of the hide, so I don't think that would have done it, not with a pistole.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

NO, absolutely not, a pistole is barely able to take out a deer, even if you are shooting in the right place, a pistol just doesn't have enough kick, thats why I am always surprised when they are pulling out pistols instead of rifles!

that's what I love about you guys, you know all about guns... hey, can we talk about TANKS now???

[Anton]

that's what I love about you guys, you know all about guns... hey, can we talk about TANKS now???

I don't know anything about Tanks, but I guess if you want to, go on ahead, I'll just stay in the real world for now thanks!:D

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

The head is the thickest part of any bone structure, not to mention the thickness of the hide, so I don't think that would have done it, not with a pistole.

Well, maybe this was a thin skulled polar bear... you know... the clone...:eek:

[Anton]

Well, maybe this was a thin skulled polar bear... you know... the clone...:eek:

LOL, OK, I can play your little game, so lets go ahead and pretend that a pistole is as strong as a rifle.;):D

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

It's Friday. Date night and all that I guess. Maybe I'll develope a social life in the near future. In the mean time I'll just work a lot hang out here. :)

So, does that mean you guys are my dates? LOLOLOL Sirch isn't gonna like that.... LOLOLOL

[Anton]

So, does that mean you guys are my dates? LOLOLOL Sirch isn't gonna like that.... LOLOLOL

Sirch aint gotta know! want another ever-lasting Kiss?:D:p

[boutte]

In the Guiness book of world recorsds it says the largest land carnvore (in other words not counting elephants and rhinos) ever killed was a 14 foot 1700 lb polar bear. He was killed with one shot from a .357 magnum pistol. The guy waited till it was within 10 feet and had reared up on his back legs to deliver a swipe with his paws. The guy shot him in the heart. I think the guy who shot him should have been the record holder for the biggest balls in the world.

[Anton]

Locke, have you read the LOST Edward thread I started in the general discussion blog.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I knew there was a logical explanation, Boutte. Maybe THAT'S how Sawyer got Kate's attention! LOL

[Anton]

In the Guiness book of world recorsds it says the largest land carnvore (in other words not counting elephants and rhinos) ever killed was a 14 foot 1700 lb polar bear. He was killed with one shot from a .357 magnum pistol. The guy waited till it was within 10 feet and had reared up on his back legs to deliver a swipe with his paws. The guy shot him in the heart. I think the guy who shot him should have been the record holder for the biggest balls in the world.

Well well well, paint me blue and call me a genie, I was wrong, sorry guys, I guess its just rare that it happens, not impossible.

[boutte]

So, does that mean you guys are my dates? LOLOLOL Sirch isn't gonna like that.... LOLOLOL

That's what he gets for neglecting you on a Friday night.

Should we move to the Barma? We're pretty much off the subject and we might run into some other dateless wonders.

See y'all over there.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Sirch aint gotta know! want another ever-lasting Kiss?:D:p

NO, thank you. Please just sit down and behave.

[Anton]

That's what he gets for neglecting you on a Friday night.

Should we move to the Barma? We're pretty much off the subject and we might run into some other dateless wonders.

See y'all over there.

I'll be there.

[Anton]

NO, thank you. Please just sit down and behave.

FINE, but don't worry, If you get lonely, I'm right here.

[boutte]

Well well well, paint me blue and call me a genie, I was wrong, sorry guys, I guess its just rare that it happens, not impossible.A 357 is a much more powerful gun than a 9mm.

[Anton]

A 357 is a much more powerful gun than a 9mm.

Thats true, but it's still a pistole, that's why I was surprised, but then again, I did here once that they used to use those for hunting Elephant, not sure if it's true, so I wont give thumb's up, or down.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Boutte, are we doing epi 3 tomorrow night? When?

[boutte]

Well I see I haven't missed much. Been busy. I'll try to revive this over the weekend.

[boutte]

Okay' it's Friday and I finally have time to watch season epi 3. anyone else?

[boutte]

Does it seem like there was something more going on between Kate and the marshal than we saw.

And now that I think about it how did she get to Australia? It seem like it would be pretty hard for some one who's being chased by the FBI to get on an international flight.

This is the episode where Jack starts turning into a dick. Yelling at people because the marshal is dieing. Meanwhile Saiid is getting people organized and being a natural leader. Why is Jack the leader?

[boutte]

Shannon is way over-rated. She's not that hot.

[stargazer]

Shannon is way over-rated. She's not that hot.
Shes such a whiner!

[krakup]

And now that I think about it how did she get to Australia? It seem like it would be pretty hard for some one who's being chased by the FBI to get on an international flight.

yep i thought that also and just put it down t anyth possible in tv land. i figured that would never b explained

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Okay' it's Friday and I finally have time to watch season epi 3. anyone else?

Boutte, I've been trying to be faithful to this thread but I'm having difficulty getting on!
Was this the epi where Locke looks over at Kate and grins with the mango or orange in his mouth and just looks soooooooo creepy? I know he was trying to be light hearted and make her smile, but something about that was just bone shivering....(and I'm one who LOVES Locke!)

[boutte]

Boutte, I've been trying to be faithful to this thread but I'm having difficulty getting on!
Was this the epi where Locke looks over at Kate and grins with the mango or orange in his mouth and just looks soooooooo creepy? I know he was trying to be light hearted and make her smile, but something about that was just bone shivering....(and I'm one who LOVES Locke!)

I think that was epi2. I could be wrong. Epi3 was kind of unspectacular.

[stargazer]

Boutte, I've been trying to be faithful to this thread but I'm having difficulty getting on!
Was this the epi where Locke looks over at Kate and grins with the mango or orange in his mouth and just looks soooooooo creepy? I know he was trying to be light hearted and make her smile, but something about that was just bone shivering....(and I'm one who LOVES Locke!)

I remember that! I remember thinking how bizarre he was.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I remember that! I remember thinking how bizarre he was.

Yeah, but I think that was the ONLY time he made me shudder. Other than than sort of...unsettling... thing he did, Locke's always been one I'd felt like I could stay there forever with. Oh, yeah, and Ben... lolololol

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Ok, anyone who is interested, tonight we are discussing epi 4 season 1, and Boutte is directing. See you sometime after 7:30....
Lights//Camera//Action!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

AAAAAAAAAND... I'm here alone....
Ok, **makes some popcorn for Boutte**
I'll just sit and watch epi 4 season 1 all by myself then...

Jack is a little TOO practical and forgets that those who perished deserved at least a little memorial... plus, doing so would be good for the survivors emotionally, also. Bonding together for the common good. uplifting...

John certainly has found his niche, hasn't he...

Never really explained why the suitcase full of knives...

You can't help but feel for John's plight. He's overcome astronomical odds against him all his life... why WOULDN'T he think he's found his destiny?...

I'm still wondering about the significance of Vincent as related to when he appears - good or bad things happen--

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Jack's a dick.

[boutte]

AAAAAAAAAND... I'm here alone....
Ok, **makes some popcorn for Boutte**
I'll just sit and watch epi 4 season 1 all by myself then...

Jack is a little TOO practical and forgets that those who perished deserved at least a little memorial... plus, doing so would be good for the survivors emotionally, also. Bonding together for the common good. uplifting...

John certainly has found his niche, hasn't he...

Never really explained why the suitcase full of knives...

You can't help but feel for John's plight. He's overcome astronomical odds against him all his life... why WOULDN'T he think he's found his destiny?...

I'm still wondering about the significance of Vincent as related to when he appears - good or bad things happen--
They seem to be in remarkably good spirits though. And aparently Rose is only person who seems (at this point) to have lost anyone in the crash.

I'm wondering if Vincent was going to be more important than he turned out to be as the plot developed.

[boutte]

Jack's a dick.
That's one sure thing on the show. Jacj will allways be a dick.

[boutte]

When we see the trees falling and stuff you don't actually see the smoke monster. Same thing when Locke sees whatever it is he sees. Maybe they are two different things?

[boutte]

Locke's conversation with Hellen was sad. Then when they wouldn't let him go on the walk about you really had to feel for the guy. Seeing him chasing wild boar with nothing but a knife had me worrying about his sanity and then when he sees the monster I thought he was done for. I just noticed when I watched it today that he kind of smiles at it.

[krakup]

Locke's conversation with Hellen was sad. Then when they wouldn't let him go on the walk about you really had to feel for the guy. Seeing him chasing wild boar with nothing but a knife had me worrying about his sanity and then when he sees the monster I thought he was done for. I just noticed when I watched it today that he kind of smiles at it.

did locke say he looked into the eye of the island or sth like that?

[boutte]

did locke say he looked into the eye of the island or sth like that?Yeah, that's the incident he was talking about.

[krakup]

Yeah, that's the incident he was talking about.

i wonder what he meant, the eye? i thought metophoricaly but i hope we get t see what he saw

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

i wonder what he meant, the eye? i thought metophoricaly but i hope we get t see what he saw

It had me wondering if Locke knew from early on, then, that he was chosen...
but then later, if he did know, then he wouldn't have been so freaked out in the hatch when he exclaimed to Desmond, "I was wrong!"

[boutte]

Locke is in heaven at this point in the series. Ben hasn't started raining on his parade yet.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Locke is in heaven at this point in the series. Ben hasn't started raining on his parade yet.

come to the barma

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Well, here I am all alone again... and after my valiant effort to keep this thread alive...
**leaves note for Boutte**
"I promise to faithfully rewatch at least 2 epi's before Weds thread chat, I
believe it's 5,6, and maybe 7, right? I'll bring the popcorn Weds.":cool:

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

BOUTTE! You there?

**plops down in chair and starts watching without him**

Ok, first thing I noticed is what everyone else already caught; that Charlie told Jack he couldn't swim when Jack runs in to save a drowning woman.
How come Charlie said that?

Second thing: I do think Christian is undead... he disappears at times when Jack doesn't take his eyes off him that he could run off. But it's unexplainable why, if the image was Christian's ghost, he doesn't say anything. I think Jacob/Smokie was taking the form of Christian, just like when he did Walt when Walt was safely back in the states.

[boutte]

Hey Locke I'm late but I'm here.
A couple things to say (well more than a couple.)

First thing is Jack is a Dick but he's not a coward and he has a strong conviction to his morals.

Why DID Charlie say he couldn't swim? Was it a mistake on the part of the producers?

While they later tried to make Shannon a slightly more sympathetic figure she is actually a horrible human being. She does all the things that men hate from a woman.

Claire on the other hand is a true sweetheart.

Boone asks Jack "Who appointed you the saviour?", Good question.

Christian couldn't have been a worse father or role model if he was a crack addict bank robber.

When Jack was chasing Christian through the jungle was Christian trying to lead him over the cliff or to the caves?

Were the porcelain dolls fin the cave from the wreck or were they already there?

When Jack freaks out and destroys the coffin is when I first started to doubt him as a rational, in control human being.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Hey Locke I'm late but I'm here.
A couple things to say (well more than a couple.)

First thing is Jack is a Dick but he's not a coward and he has a strong conviction to his morals.

Why DID Charlie say he couldn't swim? Was it a mistake on the part of the producers?

While they later tried to make Shannon a slightly more sympathetic figure she is actually a horrible human being. She does all the things that men hate from a woman.

Claire on the other hand is a true sweetheart.

Boone asks Jack "Who appointed you the saviour?", Good question.

Christian couldn't have been a worse father or role model if he was a crack addict bank robber.

When Jack was chasing Christian through the jungle was Christian trying to lead him over the cliff or to the caves?

Were the porcelain dolls fin the cave from the wreck or were they already there?

When Jack freaks out and destroys the coffin is when I first started to doubt him as a rational, in control human being.

too much to comment on tonight, but for now... let me just add that I was always puzzled by Christian's comments to his young son... never got that. I think he was a jerk. I am an adult and I didn't understand him, how could he expect a little kid to? And I just didn't like his attitude toward fellow human beings. What was he trying to teach Jack, anyway? weirdo...

YEAH! I wondered about the doll too!!! OOH...
Christian was leading him (or jacob was...?) to the caves... I think...
I see Jack in a completely different light rewatchng now. He's even less appealing second watch.

[boutte]

I'm not sure what to think about what Chistian was up to. He was getting Jack all riled up and Dumbass charges at him and allmost gets killed falling off the cliff. It's almost like Christian wanted him to fall.

Christians character confuses me. Aside from the dead/not dead thing It seems like they're to rehabilitate his character somewhat. He was difinitely portrayed as a POS in the early episodes but now he seems to be trying help Claire and the rest of the losties. It seems like the writers are still trying to figure out what to do with him.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Ok, I'm back, Boutte, for a bit here. I was really too tired to respond any more last night after that great evening in the barma. But I have just a couple more things to add...
First, yeah, that was totally ridiculous of Jack to chop apart the coffin in a fit of...what was that? Rage? It didn't look like fear or denial. Just out of control rage.
Second, playing the devils advocate here, in defense of Shannon, I have to say that sometimes we have to make allowances for youth. She couldn't be much more than 20 or so. Having been told all her life that she was worthless and couldn't do anything on her own, being ignored and denied the chance to go to Paris to ballet school, having a wicked stepmother, all of this served to break her spirit and so, reacting as a person with not the maturity to handle it, she decided to play the part that was set up for her. Only then was when she turned into a shrew. Yes, she was a snot to most of the Losties, but later even Shannon grew (ok, just a little, maybe). The thing I didn't like, however, was pairing her up later with Sayid. :confused:WHAT?
That was the most mismatched pair they could have put together. Sayid is clearly not a womanizer and is always portrayed as a very together sort of person. There is not one single thing he could have actually fallen in love with Shannon over. Not one. Yet, there they were.

[krakup]

Ok, I'm back, Boutte, for a bit here. I was really too tired to respond any more last night after that great evening in the barma. But I have just a couple more things to add...
First, yeah, that was totally ridiculous of Jack to chop apart the coffin in a fit of...what was that? Rage? It didn't look like fear or denial. Just out of control rage.
Second, playing the devils advocate here, in defense of Shannon, I have to say that sometimes we have to make allowances for youth. She couldn't be much more than 20 or so. Having been told all her life that she was worthless and couldn't do anything on her own, being ignored and denied the chance to go to Paris to ballet school, having a wicked stepmother, all of this served to break her spirit and so, reacting as a person with not the maturity to handle it, she decided to play the part that was set up for her. Only then was when she turned into a shrew. Yes, she was a snot to most of the Losties, but later even Shannon grew (ok, just a little, maybe). The thing I didn't like, however, was pairing her up later with Sayid. :confused:WHAT?
That was the most mismatched pair they could have put together. Sayid is clearly not a womanizer and is always portrayed as a very together sort of person. There is not one single thing he could have actually fallen in love with Shannon over. Not one. Yet, there they were.

not 1? i'm afraid lockey u r looking at it from a woman point :)

[boutte]

Middle eastern men are infatuated with blondes.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Middle eastern men are infatuated with blondes.

I've never had one after me......

[Jeremy]

I've never had one after me......

Ben is obviously middle eastern. Judging from his flashfoward, he grew up there before moving to the island.

[boutte]

Ben is obviously middle eastern. Judging from his flashfoward, he grew up there before moving to the island.
He lived in Wash or Or. before moving to the Island with his father. We don't know what his connection to Tunisia and Iraq was yet. But he wasn't from there.

[Jeremy]

Boutte, you're such a party pooper. Shame on you.

[notsolost42]

I'm not sure what to think about what Chistian was up to. He was getting Jack all riled up and Dumbass charges at him and allmost gets killed falling off the cliff. It's almost like Christian wanted him to fall.

Christians character confuses me. Aside from the dead/not dead thing It seems like they're to rehabilitate his character somewhat. He was difinitely portrayed as a POS in the early episodes but now he seems to be trying help Claire and the rest of the losties. It seems like the writers are still trying to figure out what to do with him.

I was reading a few pages of your thread and thought if it was okay I'd like to join in. I have also been rewatching the entire series again, in fact I'm on my second go-round and still on season one.

I am watching this time with a different perspective on it all. I am trying to keep a realist perspective to explain the unexplainable and mysterious. So far, it does work. With regard to Christian, when Jack first saw him he was admittedly suffering from the shock of the crash, sleep deprivation and dehydration. Jack himself said that these things bring on hallucinations. I really tend to believe that Jack hallucinated Christian the entire time, at least at this point.

His flashbacks are also an important clue. It seems that everytime one of the characters is having flashbacks it is absolutely relative to what is going on with them on island time. Jack was trying to deal with the death of his father, the plane crash, the pressure of many survivors wanting him to become the leader and shear exhaustion and dehydration all at the same time. All this aside from performing his phsician duties! His flashbacks related to his father pushing him and trying to teach him about leadership, among other things and Jack's difficulty with pleasing his father and taking a stand as an individual. Obviously, Jack has issues with trying to save everyone probably it is a reaction within himself opposite to his fathers teachings because that is who Jack is. Anyway, with all of the turmoil on the island and the turmoil in Jack's head I really think that he hallucinated Christian. The sneaker on the tree next to Jack in the Pilot 1 was probably supposed to belong to Christian. No doubt, it did. The hallucinated Christian had both sneakers on.

Then, miraculously, after Jack's encounter with Christian, his flashbacks about his fathers teachings of leadership and finding the water and the cave, he rejoins the group and finally accepts becoming the group leader. This was something he clearly was opposed to beforehand. It was like an awakening within Jack. He just knew what he had to do and came to terms with it.

So, at this moment, I think Jack definitely hallucinated Christian. I reserve the right to change my opinion at any time!!! LOL!!!!

[boutte]

Welcome to the discussion NotSoLost.

I think Christian will be explained when they show the clip (Can't remember where I saw it) in which Marvin Candle creates a duplicate rabbit by moving the original forward in time. Some to do exotic matter or anti-matter. The bug in that theory is that Christians body wasn't in the coffin.

[notsolost42]

Welcome to the discussion NotSoLost.

I think Christian will be explained when they show the clip (Can't remember where I saw it) in which Marvin Candle creates a duplicate rabbit by moving the original forward in time. Some to do exotic matter or anti-matter. The bug in that theory is that Christians body wasn't in the coffin.

Thank you! I don't think that Christian not being in the coffin is really a "bug" in this theory though. If you look at it rationally, his body could have easily been thrown from the coffin and be anywhere. If that was one of his sneakers in the tree by where Jack wound up his body could be anywhere. Also, weren't there seats with bodies still sitting in them in a pond under a waterfall? So, trajectory can put him anywhere.
Is the clip you're talking about the first part of the Orchid video? When the bunny "fell" into the room? Marvin didn't create a duplicate. It's just that the bunny came back from its little spacetime dimension journey too quickly. They couldn't be near each other because matter + anti-matter = boom + poof!!!

[boutte]

Thank you! I don't think that Christian not being in the coffin is really a "bug" in this theory though. If you look at it rationally, his body could have easily been thrown from the coffin and be anywhere. If that was one of his sneakers in the tree by where Jack wound up his body could be anywhere. Also, weren't there seats with bodies still sitting in them in a pond under a waterfall? So, trajectory can put him anywhere.
Is the clip you're talking about the first part of the Orchid video? When the bunny "fell" into the room? Marvin didn't create a duplicate. It's just that the bunny came back from its little spacetime dimension journey too quickly. They couldn't be near each other because matter + anti-matter = boom + poof!!!
That's true about C's body being anywhere.

Yeah that's the video I was talking about.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Boom + Poof = Physics 815 syllabus

[boutte]

Boom + Poof = Physics 815 syllabusI knew that.

[boutte]

So it looks like a total wiff on epi6 this week maybe next week.

[Delsanora]

Ok, Im just going to jump in here and start with all the rewatching :)

Hopefully, there might be points made that some, well, mostly me, have missed the first time thru watching.

[boutte]

Ok, Im just going to jump in here and start with all the rewatching :)

Hopefully, there might be points made that some, well, mostly me, have missed the first time thru watching.
You'll be surprised at how much you've forgotten.

[Delsanora]

OMG, I've forgotten the whole thing with Jin. Everytime I see him go after Micheal I can't seem to think "What an ass!" It's not until later in the show that you find out what the fuss is all about. And what a shock... Sun can speak English. :eek:

I probably missed a lot of information with season 1, since it mostly covers a lot of back-story and the relationships between the characters now that they are on the island.

I watched this episode twice now, and I cannot seem to find very many items that wasn't already discussed before. Hmm.... maybe someone else is better at picking up things than I am.

[beachblinkette]

I've started to rewatch the first season just this week--had to rent it so finally got around to it and thanks. boutte, what a good idea!! There is so much more to catch when you watch it again. It's especially helpful after being on the forum, reading and discussing everyone's ideas.
So now my husband and I are watching it because he wanted to know what the big deal is with this "crazyness over Lost?" His first comment was why is the camera showing one eye opening on some of the characters? IN THE LAND OF THE BLIND THE ONE-EYED MAN IS KING."(?) My thought was that Jack and Locke are both lying on their backs when they first show them. Did they have some brain trauma from that fall? Then they all apparently ate the wild boar that Locke killed. Would a Muslim have eaten wild boar? I DOUBT IT. Sayid doesn't seem to have hallucinations, does he? So then I saw this on the Revolution Health site:
Infection by common toxoplasma gondii parasite carried by cats and farm animals (and distant relatives of farm animals like the wild boar?) may increase a person's risk of schizophrenia a US study suggests. Those exposed to toxoplasma gondii had a 24% greater risk of developing schizophrenia!!
And this on paranoid schizophrenia:
"In some cases schizophrenia seems to appear suddenly..."
The first signs of paranoid schizophrenia usually surface between the ages of 15 and 34. In the DSM IV Paranoid schizophrenia is defined as "preoccupation with one or more systematized delusions or with frequent auditory hallucinations related to a single theme."

So my thought is this: Are some of these visions related to brain trauma or exposure to something toxic on the island--possibly the eating of parasitic- infected boar meat?

Here's a list of books they recommended in the article "Beyond a Beautiful Mind: Film choices for teaching about Schizophrenia." by Rohan Ganguli and Harold Pincus.

Clean, Shaven,,The sufferer's INTENSE AND UNFULFILLED LONGING FOR FAMILY and recovery. The best portrayal of untreated schizophrenia ever presented on film. (BEN, JOHN?)

Through The Glass Darkly, 1986 Ingmar Bergman ---Just discharged mental patient recuperates ON AN ISLAND RETREAT.

Shine-1996, Dr. Scott Hicks---BAD FATHER causes psychosis. JACK, JOHN, SUN, KATE, BEN, CHARLIE, SHANNON, AND ?
The Snake Pit --CHILDHOOD LOSS triggers psychosis-catatonia-person appears frozen. JOHN's melt down off the island and looking dead IN THE COFFIN?
Man Facing Southwest, 1986--Patient claims to be an alien. Film discusses line between sanity and insanity. (BEN? JACOB?
Other films about schizophrenia were Birdy, A Beautiful Mind, The Fisher King, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Spider, and They Might Be Giants.
Anyone interested in this idea? or have I been exposed to toxoplasma gondii? I think I see dead parasites.......

[boutte]

It's a well thought out theory but I think the visions are real. Just like Lock's paralasys being cured. Jack's vision of his father happened before the boar hunt. Some of the visions are shared which also makes it unlikely to be halucinations.

Of the films you listed the only one I remember is A Beautiful Mind. Great flick.

The voices in my head are telling me that I need to watch episode 6 today. Hopefully Locke, notsolost42, Delsanora and yourself will join in a discussion about it tonight.

[notsolost42]

It's a well thought out theory but I think the visions are real. Just like Lock's paralasys being cured. Jack's vision of his father happened before the boar hunt. Some of the visions are shared which also makes it unlikely to be halucinations.

Of the films you listed the only one I remember is A Beautiful Mind. Great flick.

The voices in my head are telling me that I need to watch episode 6 today. Hopefully Locke, notsolost42, Delsanora and yourself will join in a discussion about it tonight.

Boutte, thanks for the invite! I only wish I had access to a computer at home! I always post from work because I am wire-less! My daughter won't let me near her laptop, understandable! I'll check back in tomorrow to see what everyone said. I've begun season 2 again now. But I keep learning and remembering new things each time I watch an episode.

[Delsanora]

I would love to jump in the discussion tonight... I might be a little late to the party though. My hubby and I have a meeting (UGH) about the budget for the next few months. But I will be back to jump in.... and I'll be bringing some wine to help the time go by... um.... easier LOL.

See you guys later !

[bunnydixon]

I've started to rewatch the first season just this week--had to rent it so finally got around to it and thanks. boutte, what a good idea!! There is so much more to catch when you watch it again. It's especially helpful after being on the forum, reading and discussing everyone's ideas.
So now my husband and I are watching it because he wanted to know what the big deal is with this "crazyness over Lost?" His first comment was why is the camera showing one eye opening on some of the characters? IN THE LAND OF THE BLIND THE ONE-EYED MAN IS KING."(?) My thought was that Jack and Locke are both lying on their backs when they first show them. Did they have some brain trauma from that fall? Then they all apparently ate the wild boar that Locke killed. Would a Muslim have eaten wild boar? I DOUBT IT. Sayid doesn't seem to have hallucinations, does he? So then I saw this on the Revolution Health site:
Infection by common toxoplasma gondii parasite carried by cats and farm animals (and distant relatives of farm animals like the wild boar?) may increase a person's risk of schizophrenia a US study suggests. Those exposed to toxoplasma gondii had a 24% greater risk of developing schizophrenia!!
And this on paranoid schizophrenia:
"In some cases schizophrenia seems to appear suddenly..."
The first signs of paranoid schizophrenia usually surface between the ages of 15 and 34. In the DSM IV Paranoid schizophrenia is defined as "preoccupation with one or more systematized delusions or with frequent auditory hallucinations related to a single theme."

So my thought is this: Are some of these visions related to brain trauma or exposure to something toxic on the island--possibly the eating of parasitic- infected boar meat?

Here's a list of books they recommended in the article "Beyond a Beautiful Mind: Film choices for teaching about Schizophrenia." by Rohan Ganguli and Harold Pincus.

Clean, Shaven,,The sufferer's INTENSE AND UNFULFILLED LONGING FOR FAMILY and recovery. The best portrayal of untreated schizophrenia ever presented on film. (BEN, JOHN?)

Through The Glass Darkly, 1986 Ingmar Bergman ---Just discharged mental patient recuperates ON AN ISLAND RETREAT.

Shine-1996, Dr. Scott Hicks---BAD FATHER causes psychosis. JACK, JOHN, SUN, KATE, BEN, CHARLIE, SHANNON, AND ?
The Snake Pit --CHILDHOOD LOSS triggers psychosis-catatonia-person appears frozen. JOHN's melt down off the island and looking dead IN THE COFFIN?
Man Facing Southwest, 1986--Patient claims to be an alien. Film discusses line between sanity and insanity. (BEN? JACOB?
Other films about schizophrenia were Birdy, A Beautiful Mind, The Fisher King, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Spider, and They Might Be Giants.
Anyone interested in this idea? or have I been exposed to toxoplasma gondii? I think I see dead parasites.......


you mention the boar - i watched lord of the flies last week for the first time ever (shocking i know) and piggy mentions about something that grows on the pigs, which immediately made me think oif them eating the boar in lost.

[beachblinkette]

you mention the boar - i watched lord of the flies last week for the first time ever (shocking i know) and piggy mentions about something that grows on the pigs, which immediately made me think oif them eating the boar in lost.

I remember reading that book and getting goose bumps from it. It was a very disturbing but grabby story!This statement may make some people very mad at me, but I never eat pork or any kind of meat now since I read about ground up animal blood, bones, and parts being put in the feed of herbivores to increase their bulk and make them have more meat on their bones. The fact that cows/cattle who are obviously sick or lame and are called "downers" are put into the meat and meat products supply is criminal to me....! Why are they sick? Is it a brain disease? A very interesting and factual book to read is the "The Family Who Couldn't Sleep by a man with the last name of Max. He details the whole Prion disease history and makes a compelling argument about how Man's need to produce a better farm animal with more stamina and more meat potential unknowingly triggered the Mad Cow tragedy. One of the worst kinds of meat is the ground up hamburger you buy in the market because brain and spinal cord ( Possible Prion disease spreaders) can be ground up with the meat due to the way they use the air or stun guns to kill the animals.
It's definitely more than I ever wanted to know about what I enjoyed eating! The meat industry is a huge business. Remember how Oprah got in trouble with the beef industry? It was about exposing the little known practices of those who raise and kill animals to sell their meat and animal products! The USA has still got a long way to go because there are countries who have banned our meat from entering their markets! Why do you think that is? Once you get a prion disease like Creutzfeld Jakob disease, you will absolutely die--no cure-no hope.
There are some very good meat substitutes by Morningstar farms and other companies. I use the Morningstar Crumbles in place of the hamburger I used to use when making soup, spaghetti sauce, and all. I will get down from my soapbox now, but I hope you will read that book--and anyone raising their precious children might want to explore the subject. I believe very strongly in the truth of what I am saying here. My daughter in laws death from something unknown that resembled CJD has made me do months of research on this subject. It could change your life! And thanks for your comments, Bunny, I didn't mean to gross you out!

[beachblinkette]

Getting back to the rewatch---Episode 6. I think I understand so much more about Jin's reaction to Michael having the gold watch now. Jin's father suggested to him to make the delivery of the watches Jin's LAST job for Mr. Paik. With Michael finding and wearing the watch, it was symbolic of Jin's not being able to complete the one last task that would free him forever from having to do Mr. Paik's dirty work! Any man standing in Jin's way of being with Sun and getting away from Paik would have to pay the price!!! If he didn't have the other watches, then he knew he wasn't able to get the final job done and would somehow be drawn back into the vortex of evil. He had other watches to deliver in L.A., did he have them too, or were they lost in the crash? That was unclear to me. What struck me, also was that Jin's character was so violent then compared to what it is in later season episodes.
It makes me appreciate what being on the island has done for him character-wise. I did not like that violent, proud, and disturbed Jin. Also, he was very hurt by Sun's secretly knowing English! The way she exposed the truth in front of everyone openly revealed that she had kept it from her own husband. "Saving face" is a very important issue in human cultures. Sun realized that her secrets were as distasteful to Jin as Jin's work for her father was to her. That's payback, I guess. Haven't we all been there?:o

[boutte]

I haven't had time to watch it so I won't comment yet. There's too much going on right now. I quit my job, my new (ex?) GF won't talk to me for some reason, getting ready to move, it just never ends.

I'll make time to watch and get back to this thread Sunday.

[beachblinkette]

I haven't had time to watch it so I won't comment yet. There's too much going on right now. I quit my job, my new (ex?) GF won't talk to me for some reason, getting ready to move, it just never ends.

I'll make time to watch and get back to this thread Sunday.
Things sound very hectic and stressful for you right now! A time with all of that going on really puts the pressure on! I hope the stress will start to let up very soon. Hang in there boutte, we're all rooting for you!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Ok, Boutte, I'm a little early here, but I won't have time to watch Weds/Thurs. I am now into at least epi 8...

1. Why did Danielle tell Sayid to watch them closely? (the rest of the Losties she allowed him to return to after holding him captive)

2. What do you make of the dream with Locke (with no eyes) sitting there playing a game and saying to Claire, "It was your responsibility and you gave it away(the baby). Now we all have to pay!)

Wow, I didn't even remember that part!

[boutte]

Ok, Boutte, I'm a little early here, but I won't have time to watch Weds/Thurs. I am now into at least epi 8...

1. Why did Danielle tell Sayid to watch them closely? (the rest of the Losties she allowed him to return to after holding him captive)

2. What do you make of the dream with Locke (with no eyes) sitting there playing a game and saying to Claire, "It was your responsibility and you gave it away(the baby). Now we all have to pay!)

Wow, I didn't even remember that part!

I really need to catch up. I don't remember that dream Either. What episode is that?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I really need to catch up. I don't remember that dream Either. What episode is that?

Sorry, Boutte, before I realized it, I was all the way thru disc 3, epi 12... it could be anywhere amongst those...
We're just not movin' fast enough here, I guess, Boutte... or maybe I'm just being hyperactive again... :p:D

[bunnydixon]

just rewatched and the case may be and when kate is in on the bank robbery - she is a nasty piece of work! further cementing my dislike for her!

sawyer is meant to be the bad guy but lets face it, she is far worse than he is!!!