The Numbers

[notsolost42]

I made a short post about this on one of my other threads. I had been researching Eddington, Scotland (no such place) and of course, one thing led to another and I found the name of this astrophysicist, Martin Rees.

Martin Rees wrote a book entitled "Just Six Numbers: The Deep Forces That Shape The Universe". He is the author of a theory about six numbers being the answer to the universe. I was intrigued. I looked further. I found this article written on Edge.org about Martin Rees. It is called In The Matrix: Dr. Martin Rees. The importance and why should you go and read the whole, very long article? Just check out this passage and dare to tell me it doesn't sound familiar to you. The article is talking about how the universe is flat and that there can be an infinite number of them, as there were an infinite number of Big Bangs that created ours:

"And then of course the question arises: if these simulations exist in far larger numbers than the universe themselves, could we be in one of them? Could we ourselves not be part of what we think of as bedrock physical reality? Could we be ideas in the mind of some supreme being, as it were, who's running a simulation? Indeed, if the simulations outnumber the universes, as they would if one universe contained many computers making many simulations, then the likelihood is that we are 'artificial life' in this sense. This concept opens up the possibility of a new kind of 'virtual time travel', because the advanced beings creating the simulation can, in effect, rerun the past. It's not a time-loop in a traditional sense: it's a reconstruction of the past, allowing advanced beings to explore their history."

It's the end of the passage that is most interesting. I am only posting all of this because of the connection I found to the numbers. His six numbers that answer the universe! Like our six numbers that must be changed to change the universe and save humankind!

If anyone is interested in reading further about Martin Rees here are a couple of links. The first is to the article and the second is to the Wiki info about his 6 number theory. You have to scroll down quite a bit to find it, passing info about constants and such. It's there, Martin Rees's 6 Numbers.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/rees03/rees_print.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_physical_constant

Have fun!!! Get back to me about the similarities or possible ones you may see about Dr. Rees to our numbers and storyline.

[Jon]

fantastic, thanks!

[notsolost42]

fantastic, thanks!

You are very welcome. I wrote a post about this, very shortened version, to the writers on another site. It has had many hits and I wonder if it has been read by anyone connected to the show. The site claims they do read the posts to them. If I ever get an answer, I'll let you know! I wouldn't hold my breath though!!!

[Jon]

Yeah please do. This has intrigued me so much that I'm going to get a copy of that book. :cool:

[beachblinkette]

Very interesting astronomer Sir Martin Rees. Thanks for the link! You might want to scroll down to find the quote from his book Our Final Hour saying something about space communities and life's long range future..It reminded me of your idea about the priest and Mrs Hawking possibly being space(?) travelers? Here's the link to his quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Rees_Baron_of_Ludlow

He has some grave concerns about the future! see: Our Final Century: Will The Human Race Survive the 21st Century? (UK title) 2003

A Scientist's Warning: How Terror, Error, and Environmental Disaster Threaten Humankind's Future In This Century- On Earth and Beyond.

This warning sounds like the experimental vaccine briefings they were videotaping in one of the Lost clips, doesn't it? Talking about acceptable losses or something. Is that right?

The 6 numbers were also remarkable, weren't they? wish I had more to add but I spent some time looking up the Crab Nebula.

[notsolost42]

Great stuff! I have read exerpts from some of his writings. I have to find the site for it and post a link. It enables you to read from many, many different books, articles, etc. You could be right about the Sri Lanka video! That was the one where I said the vaccines that killed a certain percentage of the people were to fill the seats on the fake plane crash.

[MalachiConstant]

The number 108 is significant in most forms of Buddhism.
Their prayer beads are 108 beads long:

Wikipedia:
In traditional Buddhist thought, people are said to have 108 afflictions or klesas. There are six senses (sight, sound, smell, taste, touch, and consciousness) multiplied by three reactions (positive, negative, or indifference) making 18 "feelings." Each of these feelings can be either "attached to pleasure or detached from pleasure" making 36 "passions", each of which may be manifested in the past, present, or future. All the combinations of all these things makes a total of 108, which are represented by the beads in the ojuzu[2]. This same number is also used in Japanese New Year services where a bell is rung 108 times.

In addition, practitioners of Vajrayana Buddhism, use the number 108 for a different purpose. After reciting 100 mantras, eight extra mantras are done to compensate for any errors.


The six senses, in a way, could relate to the six core numbers for valenzetti.

...or it could just be coincidence. I don't want to mistake coincidence for intent.
the prayer chants in buddhism are repetitious. You would say the same chant for every 108. Just like the button is extremely repetitious.
The button could be a metaphorical, or real purge of the humans vices, in order to preserve the world. It just so happened take the form of electromagnetic build-up.


ALSO:
The mural that is painted in the hatch places 108 in a very important spot. It is located inside the sun. I know you can guess what kinds of mythological and modern meanings this could have.

[gingergrant]

The number 108 is significant in most forms of Buddhism.
Their prayer beads are 108 beads long:

Wikipedia:
In traditional Buddhist thought, people are said to have 108 afflictions or klesas. There are six senses (sight, sound, smell, taste, touch, and consciousness) multiplied by three reactions (positive, negative, or indifference) making 18 "feelings." Each of these feelings can be either "attached to pleasure or detached from pleasure" making 36 "passions", each of which may be manifested in the past, present, or future. All the combinations of all these things makes a total of 108, which are represented by the beads in the ojuzu[2]. This same number is also used in Japanese New Year services where a bell is rung 108 times.

In addition, practitioners of Vajrayana Buddhism, use the number 108 for a different purpose. After reciting 100 mantras, eight extra mantras are done to compensate for any errors.


The six senses, in a way, could relate to the six core numbers for valenzetti.

...or it could just be coincidence. I don't want to mistake coincidence for intent.
the prayer chants in buddhism are repetitious. You would say the same chant for every 108. Just like the button is extremely repetitious.
The button could be a metaphorical, or real purge of the humans vices, in order to preserve the world. It just so happened take the form of electromagnetic build-up.


ALSO:
The mural that is painted in the hatch places 108 in a very important spot. It is located inside the sun. I know you can guess what kinds of mythological and modern meanings this could have.

or maybe Sun's baby is a Buddist leader who will be important to the island, after all, the baby must go back too, because that baby was on the island and left.(after all she was inside sun!)

[LissaMarie]

Awesome link! Thanks!

NotSoLost, I just wanted to comment that your posts were one of the things that inspired me to sign onto this site. You research a myriad of different subjects and fearlessly post your findings in order to shed some light for the rest of us and I, for one, am grateful!

I would classify myself as a "knowledge nerd" because I want to soak up as much knowledge as I possibly can for the rest of my days in order to further my understanding of the world in which we live in. I love this show for so many reasons, one being that it has inspired and driven me to research subjects that I might not have otherwise. It sounds slightly over-dramatic but Lost has made me a more intelligent, well-rounded, better person! And my Mom and Dad used to call it the "boob tube"....BAH!

[LissaMarie]

or maybe Sun's baby is a Buddist leader who will be important to the island, after all, the baby must go back too, because that baby was on the island and left.(after all she was inside sun!)


That just blew me away, Ginger! GREAT observation!

[MalachiConstant]

My own interpretation of Sun's child is that he/she will just be the most important person to the Island. That is a big claim with basically nothing to base it on except a mural, but the show could come out to be the battle between Sun's baby and Aaron.

[gingergrant]

Ji Yeon apparently means "flower of wisdom" and I think that might be the Lotus.
In Buddism, the lotus symbolizes cosmic harmony.

[krakup]

Ji Yeon apparently means "flower of wisdom" and I think that might be the Lotus.
In Buddism, the lotus symbolizes cosmic harmony.

ties in nicely

[MalachiConstant]

Ji Yeon apparently means "flower of wisdom" and I think that might be the Lotus.
In Buddism, the lotus symbolizes cosmic harmony.

Could that be a clear sign that Widmore isn't all bad? I mean, he probably turned the wheel before Ben, and we know the Island protects him. Since Sun plans on partnering with him to find the Island, maybe Widmore is bringing back some of the harmony. Or maybe Widmore is bringing death, and the sense of harmony IS time being course corrected to make sure humanity becomes extinct.

Did anyone consider that maybe the Island's will is that it find it's original place in the world? And it's using people to synchronize itself, timewise, with the rest of the world? Maybe the something to do with the electromagnetic rays and the exotic matter won't allow the Island to exist on the same timeline with the rest of the world, and as you cross the plane around the Island, you cross into it's parallel world.
Maybe it's Jacob's way of trying to get back to God. God might have forsaken the Island due to something that Jacob did, which caused the tear between worlds. Now Jacob is trying desperately to get back to God.

[BenAddict]

Other interesting corelations of the number 108 are:

The interior angles of a regular pentagon measure 108 degrees each.

The Dharma logo is the pentagon.

Also in Islam: The number 108 is used in Islam to refer to God.

Sun and Earth: The diameter of the sun is 108 times the diameter of the Earth.

It is also a very important number in maths where:
Powers of (1 to the 1st) x (2 to the 2nd) x (3 to the 3rd) :1 to 1st power=1; 2 to 2nd power=4 (2x2); 3 to 3rd power=27 (3x3x3). 1x4x27=108

[MikeDaGreek]

108 is a very significant number for many reasons, too many to list individually and too many to "guess" which meaning they had in mind when choosing the number, here are some links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_(number)

http://www.hknet.org.nz/108meaning.html

http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/misc/why108.html

[sawyersshirt]

Is Sun's family Buddhist? I don't remember seeing this stated in any place.

[5starboss]

Other interesting corelations of the number 108 are:

The interior angles of a regular pentagon measure 108 degrees each.

The Dharma logo is the pentagon.

Also in Islam: The number 108 is used in Islam to refer to God.

Sun and Earth: The diameter of the sun is 108 times the diameter of the Earth.

It is also a very important number in maths where:
Powers of (1 to the 1st) x (2 to the 2nd) x (3 to the 3rd) :1 to 1st power=1; 2 to 2nd power=4 (2x2); 3 to 3rd power=27 (3x3x3). 1x4x27=108

which one is a pentagon?? I thought they were all octagons. ( int. angles of135 degrees.)

[Nann]

Has anyone ever played the lost numbers?

I want to buy a lottery ticket and play the numbers.

I just don't really gamble. The pobability of winning any decent amount is such a deterrant to me.

I thin it would have made some kind of news if anyone actually played those numbers and won. ABC would be all over that like white on rice. Don't ya think?

[gingergrant]

I played the numbers with Louisiana Powerball just so that I would have a ticket with the numbers on it.:p

[donniccolo]

great post man, thanks :-)