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slick
07-20-2008, 04:03 PM
why did they never go in depth about these two and their relationship? Ben is the father and she is the mother...why did they never show how they came to be and have his now dead daughter?

bunnydixon
07-20-2008, 05:16 PM
because ben is not the biological father. he took alex from rousseau after she gave birth on the island.

i am quite sure that we will get a flashback regarding rousseau, her arrival on the island and subsequent killing of her crew. i will be gutted if we dont.

plus you know how lost works, they throw up something then leave it for a while before coming back and giving you some answers.

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
07-20-2008, 06:53 PM
Right. They did not have a relationship.
Ben and the Others deemed Danielle to be "insane" and Ben stole one week old Alex, raising her as his own. It is a bit unusual, since you wouldn't think Ben's life and purpose/destiny on the island would be that of one which would accomodate a child or family situation.
So, maybe they will write in some more Ben history, perhaps having to do with his only love Annie, and satisfy our curiosity as to her whereabouts, and his obsession with why pregnant women all die. (btw, I still think those crackers were for her)

bunnydixon
07-21-2008, 08:21 AM
i am starting to lean towards ben perhaps knowing why pregnant women cant survive full term but after a while he manipulates something to ensure either the others dont find out why or to keep it happening so that he can have juliet on the island. i am not sure he is the cause of it entirely, but that is also a possibility.

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
07-21-2008, 12:04 PM
i am starting to lean towards ben perhaps knowing why pregnant women cant survive full term but after a while he manipulates something to ensure either the others dont find out why or to keep it happening so that he can have juliet on the island. i am not sure he is the cause of it entirely, but that is also a possibility.

My Ben? Do something like that?? NAH... ;)

bunnydixon
07-21-2008, 12:48 PM
well before i fully believed it was an issue with the island and nothing more!!

imascootinspook
07-22-2008, 12:11 AM
Ok you can tell I am LOST deprived lol, but how impossible is it that Alex is not actually Ben's daughter?
I got to thinking, (dangerous territory) but anyhoo, about the way Danielle and Ben acted toward one another-perhaps Ben saw her when he made a trip off the island? Prior to Danielle getting to the island. And she actually is his daughter. We don't know that much about Danielle, who's to say she didn't recognize Ben, or they are acting the same way Jack and Des did when they met in the Hatch (oblivious).

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
07-22-2008, 01:17 AM
It has already been established that Danielle was with her own husband and both were members of a scientific team (not Dharma, but of what specific nature we are unsure) and that he along with the others all got "the sickness" and died, evidently by her mercy killing.
Rousseau was deemed unfit ("insane") to keep and raise Alex. But there they were trapped on this island. Maybe it was just easier all around to keep them both there. Maybe Ben saw an opportunity to give one child "a better life" not just better than she would have had with her mother but also than the one he himself had experienced growing up unloved. I'm still thinking he was trying to soften the blow of having lost one family already (Annie and baby possibly? I am reaching here but still makes more sense to me), by replacing it with Alex. Juliet happens to resemble someone Ben loved, but he had Alex long before Juliet came to the island. Ben just wouldn't have any reason not to claim Alex as his own if she were his biological own. I am not seeing any connection that has in keeping Juliet there...

imascootinspook
07-22-2008, 01:53 AM
It has already been established that Danielle was with her own husband and both were members of a scientific team (not Dharma, but of what specific nature we are unsure) and that he along with the others all got "the sickness" and died, evidently by her mercy killing.
Rousseau was deemed unfit ("insane") to keep and raise Alex. But there they were trapped on this island. Maybe it was just easier all around to keep them both there. Maybe Ben saw an opportunity to give one child "a better life" not just better than she would have had with her mother but also than the one he himself had experienced growing up unloved. I'm still thinking he was trying to soften the blow of having lost one family already (Annie and baby possibly? I am reaching here but still makes more sense to me), by replacing it with Alex. Juliet happens to resemble someone Ben loved, but he had Alex long before Juliet came to the island. Ben just wouldn't have any reason not to claim Alex as his own if she were his biological own. I am not seeing any connection that has in keeping Juliet there...
Ok, so it was clarified that she had a husband with her, sorry, but also thanks for straightening me out. It's hard to piece everything together at times. :)

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
07-22-2008, 02:33 AM
Ok, so it was clarified that she had a husband with her, sorry, but also thanks for straightening me out. It's hard to piece everything together at times. :)

Yeah, that's me :D I know everything...and what I don't know, I make up! LOLOLOL
There's always that ever so slight chance I could be wr...**clears throat**
wr... hmmm, just can't seem to get the word out... wrrrr---ong. There! :)

bunnydixon
07-22-2008, 01:12 PM
i dont think it has been clarified - we only know what she has told us which is that she was preggers already when she arrived at the island, with her husband and others. however, we dont know if she was telling us the truth!!!!!

so like most things with lost, we cant write it off 100% although it seems fairly certain that it IS the way we have mentioned above.

Missie
07-22-2008, 01:18 PM
It has already been established that Danielle was with her own husband and both were members of a scientific team (not Dharma, but of what specific nature we are unsure) and that he along with the others all got "the sickness" and died, evidently by her mercy killing.
Rousseau was deemed unfit ("insane") to keep and raise Alex. But there they were trapped on this island. Maybe it was just easier all around to keep them both there. Maybe Ben saw an opportunity to give one child "a better life" not just better than she would have had with her mother but also than the one he himself had experienced growing up unloved. I'm still thinking he was trying to soften the blow of having lost one family already (Annie and baby possibly? I am reaching here but still makes more sense to me), by replacing it with Alex. Juliet happens to resemble someone Ben loved, but he had Alex long before Juliet came to the island. Ben just wouldn't have any reason not to claim Alex as his own if she were his biological own. I am not seeing any connection that has in keeping Juliet there...

Only Rou says that she was with her husband and on a scientific team. She is crazy now, why should we believe her? Maybe there was no team.. maybe she was with Dharma at one time..but she went crazy and made up this hole story that she believes is true. I think it is possible that Alex is Ben's biological daughter. If you look at the time line of the purge and Alex being born...it shows she was born before the purge. If Alex's team was on the island when Dharma was there..wouldnt they have helped her team and Alex? Or if Ben stole the baby from Rou while Dharma was still there wouldnt Dharma be suspious?

iggyjeckel
07-22-2008, 01:58 PM
I know I'm gonna get static for tthis but what if rousso is alice

bunnydixon
07-22-2008, 03:57 PM
do you mean annie? i think there is a lot of speculation about that. but then both kate & charlotte are also in the running for the title of annie!

iggyjeckel
07-22-2008, 04:30 PM
[QUOTE=bunnydixon;82696]do you mean annie? i think there is a lot of speculation about that. but then both kate & charlotte are also in the running for the title of annie![/QUOTE

yeah annie that's who I meant

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
07-22-2008, 10:14 PM
Kate and Charlotte are both too young to be Annie. I think that's rather incorrect to even ponder.
And who is saying Dharma is good, anyway? (that they would come to Danielle's aid). Nope. I just don't buy it.

bunnydixon
07-23-2008, 10:14 AM
i agree with the kate thing lockeing, but not so certain with the whole charlotte thing now that time travel has been thrown in. in fact i am not certain about anything charlotte related other than she is a pain in the ass :p

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
07-23-2008, 12:15 PM
i agree with the kate thing lockeing, but not so certain with the whole charlotte thing now that time travel has been thrown in. in fact i am not certain about anything charlotte related other than she is a pain in the ass :p

Well, like JustJoe pointed out to me once, Charlotte is too young to be Annie and too old to be a product of their union. (something I thought right away when she said she wants to find out where she was born, and also I had considered the umpteen yr old crackers...why soda crackers, of all things? It had occurred to me that he'd hidden them for Annie who was en route to that place with the donkey wheel when perhaps she was expecting a baby and Ben hurried her off to safety). But the only other person who seems ageless is Richard. Even Ben grew older. But it will certainly be interesting to find out, won't it?!
Oh, one other thing... Ben SHOT Charlotte! Would he do that to Annie?