Lost as a real life game of chess?

[gingergrant]

Has anyone done this theory?

I was wondering, if you divided up the people on the island like they were the pieces in a chess game. I'm going to think about this one. Chess pieces can't make new ones (no babies) if a pawn gets to the other side it can become a queen (that's the only way a piece can become a leader).

pieces are taken out in a seemingly random order when you don't know how the game is played. Eko dying comes to mind. Charlie dying? Who is the king?(ben) (or did it change?) who is the queen? who are the knights?(jack, locke?) Who are the bishops?(eko?) who are the rooks? who are the pawns? (alex, karl?)

one side black, one side white. references to chess or other games as clues.

I know about the site that has the Lost is a game theory, but that is as a RPG not an actual chess game.

Smokey might be only a tool to remove the pieces from the board. It looked like a big hand.



If you were going to make a story about a chess game, it would make sense that the board would become something that is separate from all that is around it (like an island) and that the pieces when they are people would have interactions when they are next to each other on the board. If some of the pieces left the board, you would do everything you could to put them back on the board and continue the game (must go back to the island)

If you have any thoughts or links about this theory, please tell me. I'm having fun thinking of ways it would work.


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Just found this.

http://lost-theories.com/theories/2007/aug/08/boards-pieces-and-players-inte/

[iggyjeckel]

Has anyone done this theory?

I was wondering, if you divided up the people on the island like they were the pieces in a chess game. I'm going to think about this one. Chess pieces can't make new ones (no babies) if a pawn gets to the other side it can become a queen (that's the only way a piece can become a leader).

pieces are taken out in a seemingly random order when you don't know how the game is played. Eko dying comes to mind. Charlie dying? Who is the king?(ben) (or did it change?) who is the queen? who are the knights?(jack, locke?) Who are the bishops?(eko?) who are the rooks? who are the pawns? (alex, karl?)

one side black, one side white. references to chess or other games as clues.

I know about the site that has the Lost is a game theory, but that is as a RPG not an actual chess game.

Smokey might be only a tool to remove the pieces from the board. It looked like a big hand.



If you were going to make a story about a chess game, it would make sense that the board would become something that is separate from all that is around it (like an island) and that the pieces when they are people would have interactions when they are next to each other on the board. If some of the pieces left the board, you would do everything you could to put them back on the board and continue the game (must go back to the island)

If you have any thoughts or links about this theory, please tell me. I'm having fun thinking of ways it would work.


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Just found this.

http://lost-theories.com/theories/2007/aug/08/boards-pieces-and-players-inte/

actually I had thought of this as well. I think it was "addictedtopainpills" and I were trying to figure out who would be who in a chess game. ill try to find the postings but my list that I remember is something like this

rooks: jack and juliette
knights: sawyer and sayid
bishops: locke and eko
queen: hurley
king: ben

like I said ill try to find the thread cause it goes into more detail like the reason widmore and ben can't kill eachother is because they are both kings and in chess a king cannot beat a king

[gingergrant]

I was also thinking that if it was really like a chess game, then you should be able to put the pieces on a chess board and play the game. When the pieces come together on the board, then you would have interactions of the players (ie, sayid+shannon, boone+locke, arzt+gang, rosseau+sayid etc.)

just a thought.

[Missie]

Its hard for me to see why Ben would be the King, the king has little power, and is the piece your trying to protect. So the question is what or who is being protected? The island?

[gingergrant]

Maybe he's not the king, maybe he's just a piece(pawn) that got made into a queen (not meaning anything but that it's a chess piece with a lot of power) and someone else is King.

[notsolost42]

Ginger, I was thinking more along the lines of a real life game of Go. Think about it. Think about the strategies and the goals of the game.

[beachblinkette]

Ginger, I was thinking more along the lines of a real life game of Go. Think about it. Think about the strategies and the goals of the game.
From the little bit I just read, I see the terminology of the game link up with Lost in BIG way! Player pieces are alive or dead. Playing involves capturing, surrounding your opponent, pieces need to band together to defeat the other guy, the Ko word meaning "eon" and the like. Interesting that you cannot take the place of your captured opponent in certain alignments. I'm not getting all of it because I've got to make dinner. It looks very much like a game to suit what is happening on Lost. When I'm more alert I'll do more reading on it. I've been at the computer all day... Thanks for the mention of Go.:)

[beachblinkette]

Ginger, I was thinking more along the lines of a real life game of Go. Think about it. Think about the strategies and the goals of the game.
"The intricate struggle of power and control makes the game of GO highly dynamic....." from Wiki
THINK ABOUT LOST........AND THE BASIC CONCEPTS OF GO......."THE CHINESE ENCIRCLING GAME! THE GAME ABOUT THINKING AHEAD...

The top players always have a plan- THEY KNOW ALL THE MOVES THEY CAN
MAKE AND THEIR MANY POSSIBLE OUTCOMES!

Basic Rules: (THE BOOK OF RULES?)

#1 "CONNECTION-Keeping one's own stones connected means that fewer groups need defense. Placing stones close together helps them support each other and avoid capture."

Did Widmore orchestrate the crash to put an unruly group of characters on the island (an invasion tactic?) to subdivide, distract, and disconnect the others and Ben?

Is Bernard's wanting 3 rows of black stones in his rescue sign early on, a sneaky hint to the strategy of Go? ***"Vertically and horizontally adjacent stones of the same color form a chain that shares its liberties in common, can't be subdivided, and in effect becomes a single larger stone." !!!! They couldn't even work together to complete the rescue sign.

The freighter was a "seki." MOVING THE ISLAND WAS A SEKI. " Sekis are unusual and usually result from an attempt by one player (I think Widmore versus Jacob) to invade and kill a nearly settled group of the other player."

Off the island, Ben is doing a seki on Widmore's colleagues by invading and killing them with Sayid's help.

Ben, "Take them to the Temple", defending his pieces! Jack, "We've got to go back!!!--reconnect to remain alive!!! Our Lost Survivors split into 2 groups, then as pieces when the O6 left the Island (gameboard) are they defenseless like Locke was after he left the island? According to the rules they have to go back or are they as dead as Hurley said?!!!! BUT IF THEY GO BACK.....? Is being alive on the island better than being dead off the island?

#2 "CUT-Keeping the opposing stones disconnected means that the opponent needs to defend more groups." Must the 06 go back? Is Ben fighting for the life of the 06, the survivors, Jacob, The island and The Others? Does Jacob's cry of help me mean he knows he is losing the game! Is he depending on Locke's intuition now as his proxy on the island and Ben's strategic ability off the island?

#3 "LIFE-This is the ability of stones to permanently avoid capture. The simplest way is for the group to surround 2 "eyes" -separate empty areas-so that filling one "eye" will not kill the group and therefore be suicidal."
"For a group to be "alive" it needs to be able to create at least 2 "eyes"-- strategic moves involving several set pieces (moves placed on the board). "ONE EYE IS NOT ENOUGH FOR LIFE.'' How many Lost Characters have been shown with one eye?
There is a term called "ETERNAL LIFE" IN THE GO GAME.
Remember all those one-eyed shots of Jack and everyone in the beginning of the series? Is this suggesting that they are dead? The one-eyed shots of Jacob? Michail the one-eyed man who came back to life? No one-eyed shots of Vincent tho.

Did Locke "fill one eye", that is, do a move that unknowingly became his suicide?
"I've looked into the EYE (NOT EYES!) of the island and it's beautiful..."


#4 "DEATH-The absence of life coupled with the inability to create it, resulting in the eventual removal of a group."

THERE IS A TERM CALLED "SUICIDE" in GO.

Does Otherton's failed pregnancies mean they will be a group removed?Sounds like a move by somebody, to me!

#5 "INVASION-Setting up a new living position inside an area where the opponent has a greater influence, to reduce the amount of territory he/she will eventually get, but not so far in that it can be cut off from friendly stones outside."

Crash of the Oceanic flight? Sun taking over her Dad's company to join with Widmore and punish the perceived enemy, Ben? Ben off the island?Who? Where?

"Intuition is thought to be one of the most important skills a GO player should develop."
"Many in the field of artificial intelligence consider GO to require more elements that mimic human thought than chess."

#6 "SENTE- Play which makes your opponent respond giving you control of the game."
"There is a very high degree of pattern recognition involved in human play."

Did Ben want names so that he could get the files so that he could predict the moves that the survivors would make based on their past behavior patterns? Chinese war theory: To know yourself and to know your enemy you are more likely to win each battle!

Ben, off island, is creating a "NET-- a move that loosely surrounds some stones, preventing their escape in all directions." He tried to keep the survivors from leaving his NET, but was willing to sacrifice a stone (or two) called a SNAPBACK in the game. THIS IS DONE IN ORDER TO IMMEDIATELY CAPTURE SEVERAL OPPOSING STONES IN EFFECT "SNAPPING BACK" THOSE STONES."
Widmore let Keamy kill Alex as his snapback move I think.
Ben will try to kill Penny as his snapback to Widmore's proxy's killing Alex.

Dharma wants to test their new recruits to see the brainiest of us all when it comes to recognizing patterns! Who are those who can quickly recognize them, reproduce them, and make new connections from them? You may make the best GO players!

"The concept of a "living" group of stones is necessary for a practical understanding of the game. Legend has it that "the game was invented by a Chinese emperor, Yao, to teach his son-an unruly sort- discipline, concentration, and balance."

Possible Warning to all of who watch Lost!!! There is no climactic ending in GO! Go to France and do not collect 200 dollars?

"The game ends and the score is counted when both players consecutively pass on a turn, indicating that neither side can increase its territory or reduce its opponents,"
Thanks to NotSoLost42, and Ginger for getting this game idea focused on the master strategy game Go, and Chess, it's worthy cousin!!!:)

[gingergrant]

wow! Beachblinkette, that is a fantastic idea. I wonder if it really is the underlying theme? I remember Bernard saying that about the three rocks, and the eye thing ties in. There are no accidents in this program. Of all the games that have been shown, has GO been shown?

[beachblinkette]

wow! Beachblinkette, that is a fantastic idea. I wonder if it really is the underlying theme? I remember Bernard saying that about the three rocks, and the eye thing ties in. There are no accidents in this program. Of all the games that have been shown, has GO been shown?

It could be, Ginger. Thanks for your opinions and ideas! Thanks to NotSoLost, I think the black and white stones may be the hint about GO. Also the book of rules. And Bernard used all black stones! Sawyer used a black stone to press down on the pedal in the bear's cage, too. There's a gameclock and time limits involved in GO, too. I don't remember GO being mentioned on the show. I also think if it does relate to Lost there's no way to accurately predict hardly anything previously or from this point on. So it doesn't spoil the fun!

GO is one of the most amazing intuitive games with many many strategies known only by the most experienced players who have played the game for ages. They said even a GO software program can produce only an average player. If I connect this game and LostFreak's thread about Bioy Casares, I feel that we have a fabulous flexible skeleton for the plot of Lost. These two ideas do not necessarily ex out any other particular theory. The writer's love the fantastic! There are huge numbers of variables!IMO

The meat on the bones is the writer's ingenuity! They could take Lost anywhere using this framework! Add the cast and crews hard work and the director's and producer's vision. And the input of the fans, of course! Voila! That's only the beginning of the ball of wax we call Lost!

I think what GO and Casares do for me is give me some framework upon which to base this show. I've probably missed or gotten wrong some/many? things here, so I wish someone would check my facts and ideas and let me know what they think. I hope this makes some sense!
Food for thought at the very least! :) Checking out for now. Have a Good night!

[gingergrant]

Maybe the fact that they haven't mentioned GO means that there is something there. Guilty by omission.