Mikhail and Time Travel!

[notsolost42]

While rewatching season 3, Par Avion episode, I realized that Mihail said the most curious thing. I think it is a very important clue of some kind. I don't know if it relates to him time traveling, or perhaps a clue to his unendless life! This is what he said:
After Sayid, Kate and Locke capture Mikhail and are walking through the jungle to get to the Barracks someone, maybe it was Kate, makes a statement to Mikhail "You don't know us at all". Mikhail says you are right and then proceeds to address each one by full name and tells them their past history. When he gets to Locke it is a little different. Here's the transcript:

SAYID: The more I learn about your people, the more I suspect you’re not as omniscient as you’d have us believe. Don’t speak to us as if you know us.

MIKHAIL: Of course I don’t know you, Sayid Jarrah. How could I? And you, Kate Austen, are a complete stranger to me. But you John Locke, you I might have a fleeting memory of, but I must be confused, because the John Locke I know was paral—

ROUSSEAU: Hey! Look at this! Over here…come on.

So, this leds me to believe that Mikhail is either a time traveler also or considering his history of not dying...he is more like Richard. His fleeting memories mean that he was in his past at that point in the jungle and knew Locke from the future, right? Just like when Desmond went back in time and saw Charlie playing guitar outside of Widmore's office building. He had a flash that he knew him. He had a vague memory...or a fleeting memory. So, if Mikhail knows Locke from the future then Mikhail is not dead. Then Mikhail may have something to do with Locke (Jeremy Bentham) being killed. Maybe it wasn't suicide at all and just set up to look that way and it was Mikhail that killed him. I am positve, 100%, that once Locke got off the island he was back in his wheelchair. I have no doubt about that. Even Ben confirmed that the island made him walk again and that's why he didn't want to leave.
I think this is very interesting and I can't find where anyone picked up on this. What do you all think?

[beachblinkette]

While rewatching season 3, Par Avion episode, I realized that Mihail said the most curious thing. I think it is a very important clue of some kind. I don't know if it relates to him time traveling, or perhaps a clue to his unendless life! This is what he said:
After Sayid, Kate and Locke capture Mikhail and are walking through the jungle to get to the Barracks someone, maybe it was Kate, makes a statement to Mikhail "You don't know us at all". Mikhail says you are right and then proceeds to address each one by full name and tells them their past history. When he gets to Locke it is a little different. Here's the transcript:

SAYID: The more I learn about your people, the more I suspect you’re not as omniscient as you’d have us believe. Don’t speak to us as if you know us.

MIKHAIL: Of course I don’t know you, Sayid Jarrah. How could I? And you, Kate Austen, are a complete stranger to me. But you John Locke, you I might have a fleeting memory of, but I must be confused, because the John Locke I know was paral—

ROUSSEAU: Hey! Look at this! Over here…come on.

So, this leds me to believe that Mikhail is either a time traveler also or considering his history of not dying...he is more like Richard. His fleeting memories mean that he was in his past at that point in the jungle and knew Locke from the future, right? Just like when Desmond went back in time and saw Charlie playing guitar outside of Widmore's office building. He had a flash that he knew him. He had a vague memory...or a fleeting memory. So, if Mikhail knows Locke from the future then Mikhail is not dead. Then Mikhail may have something to do with Locke (Jeremy Bentham) being killed. Maybe it wasn't suicide at all and just set up to look that way and it was Mikhail that killed him. I am positve, 100%, that once Locke got off the island he was back in his wheelchair. I have no doubt about that. Even Ben confirmed that the island made him walk again and that's why he didn't want to leave.
I think this is very interesting and I can't find where anyone picked up on this. What do you all think?
I think you're on to something! Remember that Bea Klugh wanted Mikhail to shoot her and he did. Did she really die? What happened to her body? Will we see her again, too? Is she one of the immortals? So, he has killed w/o much hesitation, hasn't he? But his NOT dying is a mystery that has no answer.

Was it Bonnie who was mortally wounded when Sun shot her? Now she didn't have 9 lives and they sent her funeral pyre out to sea.Why not just bury her? So we have some people who seem to have only one life and others who seem to have MORE than one.

Are they clones/androids/immortals who can be revitalized? And humans who cannot? We've seen Mikhail die at least 2 times. It's very possible that he will be the protagonist who kills Locke off-island. He seems to take orders from Ben/Jacob and has been conditioned to follow those orders (room 23?) even against his own will. I swore that he was going to side with the girls in the Looking Glass and then BAM he let them have it.

There's a big undercurrent theme about dying for the island and being reborn again if not into real life then into some kind of parallel existence. It makes you visible just as if you were really alive. Yeah, I agree with you. I don't think we have seen the last of Mikhail.

[though2544]

I've always been interested in the "dying" theme as well. It seems to me that there is a difference somehow between people dying on the island and people dying off the island. Please somebody say something if I am wrong or missing an example, but it seems that when people die on the island they are deader than dead or they appear in another characters dreams, or visions. But those who have died off the island, (Christian, Ben's mother, Yemi, to name a few) are the ones who are actually seen on the island.

Richard, in Ben's flashback from season three says something that sparked my curiosity.

RICHARD: Ben? So you wanna tell me what you're doing in the middle of the jungle all by yourself?

BEN: I left home, and...I'm looking for my Mom.

RICHARD: You think she's out here?

BEN: You wouldn't believe me.

RICHARD: Try me.

BEN: She's dead.

RICHARD: Did she die here, on the Island?

BEN: No. When I was a baby.

RICHARD: Did you see her, out here, Ben, in the jungle?

BEN: She talked to me.

RICHARD: What did she say?

BEN: That I couldn't come with her. She said it wasn't time yet.

RICHARD: You should go home now, your people will be looking for you.

When Richard asks if she died on the island, you can see a sudden interest in his expression and even his voice sounds a little bit more interested in what Ben has to say. Now I have no clue what this means of course, but it's a Lost mystery that has torn me apart more than others.

[notsolost42]

All good points, too.

[LostLate]

While rewatching season 3, Par Avion episode, I realized that Mihail said the most curious thing. I think it is a very important clue of some kind. I don't know if it relates to him time traveling, or perhaps a clue to his unendless life! This is what he said:
After Sayid, Kate and Locke capture Mikhail and are walking through the jungle to get to the Barracks someone, maybe it was Kate, makes a statement to Mikhail "You don't know us at all". Mikhail says you are right and then proceeds to address each one by full name and tells them their past history. When he gets to Locke it is a little different. Here's the transcript:

SAYID: The more I learn about your people, the more I suspect you’re not as omniscient as you’d have us believe. Don’t speak to us as if you know us.

MIKHAIL: Of course I don’t know you, Sayid Jarrah. How could I? And you, Kate Austen, are a complete stranger to me. But you John Locke, you I might have a fleeting memory of, but I must be confused, because the John Locke I know was paral—

ROUSSEAU: Hey! Look at this! Over here…come on.

So, this leds me to believe that Mikhail is either a time traveler also or considering his history of not dying...he is more like Richard. His fleeting memories mean that he was in his past at that point in the jungle and knew Locke from the future, right? Just like when Desmond went back in time and saw Charlie playing guitar outside of Widmore's office building. He had a flash that he knew him. He had a vague memory...or a fleeting memory. So, if Mikhail knows Locke from the future then Mikhail is not dead. Then Mikhail may have something to do with Locke (Jeremy Bentham) being killed. Maybe it wasn't suicide at all and just set up to look that way and it was Mikhail that killed him. I am positve, 100%, that once Locke got off the island he was back in his wheelchair. I have no doubt about that. Even Ben confirmed that the island made him walk again and that's why he didn't want to leave.
I think this is very interesting and I can't find where anyone picked up on this. What do you all think?

Wouldn't Mikhail have to know the Locke from the past if, " the John Locke I know was paral..."

[5starboss]

The fleeting memory part is more of a clue....

Mikail was chrged with the duty of compiling files on the Losties since he had outside contact. I think the paperwork they had on him ( medical history) said he was paralyzed. ..." The john locke I know..." -------in other words the one he had the paperwork on.

[notsolost42]

The fleeting memory part is more of a clue....

Mikail was chrged with the duty of compiling files on the Losties since he had outside contact. I think the paperwork they had on him ( medical history) said he was paralyzed. ..." The john locke I know..." -------in other words the one he had the paperwork on.

Yep, someone else mentioned that idea, too. You could be right. But, considering Mikhail's strange abilities to 'undie' or not to die at all when a normal human being would, well, there just may be more to him than we know! LOL! Many have already said that he did not die when he used the underwater granade to kill Charlie! They said because he had diving gear on he probably lived! Well, just the aftershock in the water would be enough to kill someone but with him, you never know! LOL!!!

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12-11-2008 05:35 PM
notsolost42
Yep, someone else mentioned that idea, too. You could be right. But, considering Mikhail's strange abilities to 'undie' or not to die at all when a normal human being would, well, there just may be more to him than we know!

NotSoLost, I remembered how you posted that you think Locke is going to break his back on the island, from the new promo's that have come out. If that were true and did happen, maybe that is Mikhail's fleeting memory of John. Mikhail will come back like Ethan, and be around to see John break his back again.

[Jaystar™]

NotSoLost, I remembered how you posted that you think Locke is going to break his back on the island, from the new promo's that have come out. If that were true and did happen, maybe that is Mikhail's fleeting memory of John. Mikhail will come back like Ethan, and be around to see John break his back again.

While I was reading your Post I thought of something. Maybe John sees Mikhail where the old Plane was and that is why he falls off?

[R070V470R]

mikhail not dying seems to remind me of a certain someone in season 4 who was trying to die but *something* was keeping them from being able to do so.

[krakup]

mikhail not dying seems to remind me of a certain someone in season 4 who was trying to die but *something* was keeping them from being able to do so.

you mean like the island hadn't finished with him? i believe there is also another certain someone that it hasn't finished with yet

[wiley]

you mean like the island hadn't finished with him? i believe there is also another certain someone that it hasn't finished with yet

I'm pretty sure it's not done with me yet!

[Desi420]

Having rewatched from the beginning, I am not sure that Mikial is as immortal as we all thought. He was alegedly murdered first time when locke pushes him through the sonic fence. In a later episode, Ben comments on it and Mikail says something like, good thing it wasn't set to lethal setting..... and the second time is when he was shot in the heart by Desmond. True that would kill any normal human, but he could have taken the last of his strength to set the grenade off to stop charlie. He is a soldier and as seen in many movies they always have the strength.to attempt one more thing before they die.

[losttime]

Having rewatched from the beginning, I am not sure that Mikial is as immortal as we all thought. He was alegedly murdered first time when locke pushes him through the sonic fence. In a later episode, Ben comments on it and Mikail says something like, good thing it wasn't set to lethal setting..... and the second time is when he was shot in the heart by Desmond. True that would kill any normal human, but he could have taken the last of his strength to set the grenade off to stop charlie. He is a soldier and as seen in many movies they always have the strength.to attempt one more thing before they die.

I wouldnt go as far to say he was shot in the heart but was definitely shot in the chest. He could have easily made it out of the station and before he was to die his last act would be to try and prevent Charlie from contacting the outside world.

I believe Mikhails comment was nothing more than saying that the rest are exactly how he read them as them being but Locke was paralyzed and now is able to walk.

Its more of a way of speaking than having a literal translation.

Just the way I am interpretting this scene.

[LissaMarie]

Didn't blood squirt out of his ears when Locke pushed him through the sonar fence? That seemed pretty lethal to me! I can't imagine walking away from blood squirting out of my ears!

[losttime]

Didn't blood squirt out of his ears when Locke pushed him through the sonar fence? That seemed pretty lethal to me! I can't imagine walking away from blood squirting out of my ears!

Damage to the ear drum doesnt necessarily mean death. He stated why he survived

[chester]

Yeah, and Ben looked like he really bought that, too :rolleyes::p

[notsolost42]

Didn't blood squirt out of his ears when Locke pushed him through the sonar fence? That seemed pretty lethal to me! I can't imagine walking away from blood squirting out of my ears!

Yes and it was equated to a brain hemorhage from the fence. He bled from his ears, nose and mouth I believe. All possible signs of brain injury.

[losttime]

Yeah, and Ben looked like he really bought that, too :rolleyes::p

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm there Chester? LOL

[Desi420]

Yes and it was equated to a brain hemorhage from the fence. He bled from his ears, nose and mouth I believe. All possible signs of brain injury.

Actually I remember him convulsing and foaming at the mouth. I don't remember blood.

[notsolost42]

Actually I remember him convulsing and foaming at the mouth. I don't remember blood.

Yes, that as well.

[losttime]

Here is the scene. Blood from the ears and nose. Suprisingly little blood from the nose but a lot from the ear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7UFcXGBfqw

I am more convinced it was more for dramatic effect as it was brought up this is not a medical show so it could very well be for dramatic cinematography.

I believe Mikhail when he said it wasnt set to a lethat level. We know they can set it at varying degrees as we saw the Losties walk through it and live.

I dont think he has special powers to come back from the dead.

Typically we will see bleeding from the nose and ears in basilar skull fractures and not just a hemorrage in the brain.

Beside why would he lie if he had the power to come back to life or regenerate.

This would also mean Locke coming back to life wouldnt be the first time we saw someone brought back to life on the Island. Which Alpert has already said that he has never see nanyone brought back to life
http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec21/ch310/ch310a.html

http://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/Basilar_skull_fracture

So unless they were suggesting he was having a basilar skull fracture I am more thinking that he sustained severe ear drum trauma. And since we saw Amy put those ear plugs in to protect her ears, I am leaning in this direction.

Of course we have to consider that TPTB arent dealing with brain injuries often and are also under the impression that any bleeding in the head is represented by bleeding in the nose and ears.

He can definitely survive an ear drum injury. We know the Island heals, here is another example of healing from a bad innjury to the ear.

I am sure his brain got rattled but its not like he stood in the beam of the sonic fence only temporary in it causing the injuries.

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[LissaMarie]

Damage to the ear drum doesnt necessarily mean death. He stated why he survived

Ummmmm......seriously?! Damage to the ear drum?! LT, blood was literally squirting from his ears....and A LOT of blood! I'm not trying to be a smart-a$$ but that's nuts! My ear drum ruptured when I was a kid and I didn't have blood squirting from my head. I really think there is something up with Mikhail and I don't take him at his word at all. Him saying that the fence wasn't set to a lethal level and blood squirting from his head don't add up, you know? That seems pretty lethal to me anyway. :)

[losttime]

Ummmmm......seriously?! Damage to the ear drum?! LT, blood was literally squirting from his ears....and A LOT of blood! I'm not trying to be a smart-a$$ but that's nuts! My ear drum ruptured when I was a kid and I didn't have blood squirting from my head. I really think there is something up with Mikhail and I don't take him at his word at all. Him saying that the fence wasn't set to a lethal level and blood squirting from his head don't add up, you know? That seems pretty lethal to me anyway. :)

So do you think that he died and came back to life? I dont think it was anything more than dramatic cinematography. Why would he be so inclined to lie if he had the power to keep coming back to life?

Wouldnt that make him a very special person as well?

An LM it wasnt squirting out of his ear. it was running down his ear. I am taking you to mean squirting that it was shooting out of his ear.

I dont think he was dead anymore than the Losties were dead that walked through the active sonar fence

I dont think you are being a smart ass at all. I gave the example of what kind of bleeding from the head causes blood to come out of the ear typically.

All I am suggesting is that Mikhail was never dead but sustained bad injury to the ear causing the blood.

I am sure your ear drum injury was nothing like that of high sonic waves.

The severity of the injury can also determine the bleeding as well.

But hey if you want to think his head was a puddle of blood and that he died and came back to life, dont let what I explain stop you LOL

I was just trying to explain the common cause of bleeding from the ear thats all

[LissaMarie]

I have no ideas or theories when it comes to Mikhail at all. I think he's very mysterious for sure. I just don't think the blood squirting from his ears was just an ear drum injury though. I think the sonic fence scrambled his eggs, so to speak, and it was lethal. What I find most interesting is that he said "thank you" when John pushed him. That's fascinating!

[chester]

Yes it was all very weird and ambigiuous. This makes me very skeptical of the obvious interpretation of it.

[losttime]

I have no ideas or theories when it comes to Mikhail at all. I think he's very mysterious for sure. I just don't think the blood squirting from his ears was just an ear drum injury though. I think the sonic fence scrambled his eggs, so to speak, and it was lethal. What I find most interesting is that he said "thank you" when John pushed him. That's fascinating!

So if it was lethal that means he is dead and came back to life, right? So then Locke that we saw in the box was not Locke but someone else and the real Locke is the one that was brought back to life that wanted ben to kill Jacob, and is really the BMOC


And now the whole concept of Dead is Dead is no longer applicable and the Locke we saw tell ben to kill Jacob was not MIB but the real JL

But you keep referring it to blood squiring from the ear. It really wasnt squirting just a lot of it came out.

I think squirting is a whole new ballpark we are talking about.

Thats like the differnce between blood squiring out of your arm and draining out. Two differnt vessels that we are talking about.

[LissaMarie]

I think all that is reading a lot into it, LT, and a pretty big leap! Those are your words, not mine.

As I said, I have no idea what Mikhail's deal is. He is mysterious to say the least as we don't know very much about him at all and a lot of what we've seen defies logic. I just don't think it was simply an ear drum injury. That much blood squirting (oozing, trickling, coming out, whatever) from your head seems pretty lethal to me....those are my words. :)

[Unbridled Pageantry]

I always just attributed Mikhail's miraculous feats of living to "the island still needs him".
The island needed Mikhail to survive so that he could kill Charlie. Remember when they found Naomi, and captured Mikhail? Charlie was demanding that they kill him, but Desmond made the decision to let him live; which resulted in the death of Charlie, which was forseen by Desmond.
I always just chalked it up to the island's plan, nothing more nothing less.
Similar to how Micheal couldn't kill himself because "the island needed him".

EDIT----- What, no Kids In The Hall fans??? :)

[chester]

Why is it so wrong that people should think that there might be alternative explanations to the many strange and ambiguous events we have witnessed throughout our experience with LOST, other than the obvious?

Yes, the obvious interpretation is that Mikhail was telling the truth, the sonar fence was not set to lethal (just damn close to it), and the spear to the heart just got him angry, there's nothing really strange about him.

But, there is also the possibility (and a very strong one IMO) that there is some other explanation and Mikhail is lying. Even if only TPTB know what that is.

[LissaMarie]

I always just attributed Mikhail's miraculous feats of living to "the island still needs him".
The island needed Mikhail to survive so that he could kill Charlie. Remember when they found Naomi, and captured Mikhail? Charlie was demanding that they kill him, but Desmond made the decision to let him live; which resulted in the death of Charlie, which was forseen by Desmond.
I always just chalked it up to the island's plan, nothing more nothing less.
Similar to how Micheal couldn't kill himself because "the island needed him".

EDIT----- What, no Kids In The Hall fans??? :)

I loved the Kids in the Hall, UP. Sorry for not saying so earlier!:D

[tpbaxter]

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/bleeding_from_ear.htm

Maybe Mikhail had Mastoiditis, and the sonar fence actually helped treat his condition, which is why he said thank you. Unfortunately the treatment temporarily caused some foaming at the mouth and made him sleepy, so everyone thought he was dead.

[chester]

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/bleeding_from_ear.htm

Maybe Mikhail had Mastoiditis....

Is that like tpbaxteritis?

[tpbaxter]

Is that like tpbaxteritis?

from the sounds of it, foaming at the mouth might be part of it.

[A.J. Hawk Fan]

While rewatching season 3, Par Avion episode, I realized that Mihail said the most curious thing. I think it is a very important clue of some kind. I don't know if it relates to him time traveling, or perhaps a clue to his unendless life! This is what he said:
After Sayid, Kate and Locke capture Mikhail and are walking through the jungle to get to the Barracks someone, maybe it was Kate, makes a statement to Mikhail "You don't know us at all". Mikhail says you are right and then proceeds to address each one by full name and tells them their past history. When he gets to Locke it is a little different. Here's the transcript:

SAYID: The more I learn about your people, the more I suspect you’re not as omniscient as you’d have us believe. Don’t speak to us as if you know us.

MIKHAIL: Of course I don’t know you, Sayid Jarrah. How could I? And you, Kate Austen, are a complete stranger to me. But you John Locke, you I might have a fleeting memory of, but I must be confused, because the John Locke I know was paral—

ROUSSEAU: Hey! Look at this! Over here…come on.

So, this leds me to believe that Mikhail is either a time traveler also or considering his history of not dying...he is more like Richard. His fleeting memories mean that he was in his past at that point in the jungle and knew Locke from the future, right? Just like when Desmond went back in time and saw Charlie playing guitar outside of Widmore's office building. He had a flash that he knew him. He had a vague memory...or a fleeting memory. So, if Mikhail knows Locke from the future then Mikhail is not dead. Then Mikhail may have something to do with Locke (Jeremy Bentham) being killed. Maybe it wasn't suicide at all and just set up to look that way and it was Mikhail that killed him. I am positve, 100%, that once Locke got off the island he was back in his wheelchair. I have no doubt about that. Even Ben confirmed that the island made him walk again and that's why he didn't want to leave.
I think this is very interesting and I can't find where anyone picked up on this. What do you all think?Wow... I was just about to post this because I just finished watching this episode. Good thing I looked in here first.

I'll have to read what everyone else's opinions are.