Why they have to get back - my thought

[XmasDVD]

Maybe they all have to go back because it's a time-continum thing. They were never supposed to leave the island and if they did, like Locke said, bad things will happen.

It's like watching a favorite TV show rerun - you've seen it for years and it's always been the same. Sometimes you say to yourself, "what if this time, Gilligan got off his island" - the show would change - for the better or worse - it would change. In order for things to continue 'normally' - Gilligan would need to get back on the island. IF more than 1 person got off, they would all need to get back to make things right.

Thoughts?

[Anisum]

Maybe they all have to go back because it's a time-continum thing. They were never supposed to leave the island and if they did, like Locke said, bad things will happen.


Thoughts?



If you're talking about "supposed" you mean something like fate or destiny with its own will that you can't escape. (And "free will" as an contrary concept)?!

But then you have the following problem:
If you believe in a destiny which leaves you to an island and wants you to stay there, then there is no possibility of leaving this island! It's a big point about destiny/fate that you can do nothing to change it!
But whatsoever if it is destiny or random there is always the possibility of forecast. I mean it in a way of: "if you're doing that, this is going to happen or if you do this, that will happen..."

[krakup]

u both are making sense, anisum if u take yr last thought to its conclusion they can only change things on the island,so what are they going t do when they get back? idk but shld b gr8

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I think it's not so much a question of Can you change things, but SHOULD you change things...
example: Creepy Ring Lady - if it wasn't even possible (because of determinism) that Des and Pen marry, then if would not have been necessary for her to warn Des so forbodingly that this union must never take place.

[beachblinkette]

Having to go back to the island is a proposition given to us after the fact of the 06 leaving.. They have left the island, but do we now have to accept that their leaving the island means they will have to go back? It's chaos theory or something being put in play here. They may wind up being seduced into returning but it is does not follow logically that they HAD to go back! Does anyone understand what I am talking about here?

[notsolost42]

Having to go back to the island is a proposition given to us after the fact of the 06 leaving.. They have left the island, but do we now have to accept that their leaving the island means they will have to go back? It's chaos theory or something being put in play here. They may wind up being seduced into returning but it is does not follow logically that they HAD to go back! Does anyone understand what I am talking about here?

I don't know if I would say it was the chaos theory. I am leaning more towards the Closed Timelike Curve. If they are in that loop then I think the 06 needs to be back on the island when it returns. And their timing probably has to be just right, too. Remember bunny #15? When it returned from wherever it was and it almost ran into itself? I think that if it did it would have possibly destroyed not just itself but everything around it. The ol' matter vs. anti-matter idea. I am really beginning to believe that the whole show will end where it began; on the beach with Jack opening his eye.

[XmasDVD]

I am really beginning to believe that the whole show will end where it began; on the beach with Jack opening his eye.


..agreed. Everything is in a closed loop as you mentioned. Destined to repeat unless something changes the loop (Ben and the Wheel) and things HAVE to get back on track or chaos will ensue.

[notsolost42]

..agreed. Everything is in a closed loop as you mentioned. Destined to repeat unless something changes the loop (Ben and the Wheel) and things HAVE to get back on track or chaos will ensue.

Yep, and I think the chaos that will come is the volcano erupting and destroying the island forever. That is, if there really is a volcano and it is not just a "code word" for something else! TPTB said that Annie would be as important as the volcano or something along those lines. So, I'm thinking that if there really is no volcano, which of course we haven't seen hide nor hair of yet, then they may just be referring to something else entirely. Like when Ben told Locke about the "magic box". Just their way of eluding to some huge phenom that may occur!

[Jeremy]

I think it has to do with what the particular characters have to offer. Jack's a dr. and a leader; Hurley gives hope to everyone; Sayid makes sure everything is ok; Sun has her herbs and stuff; and Aaron has that prophecy thing. But Kate is just a bitch, and never has and never will be useful.

[beachblinkette]

I think it has to do with what the particular characters have to offer. Jack's a dr. and a leader; Hurley gives hope to everyone; Sayid makes sure everything is ok; Sun has her herbs and stuff; and Aaron has that prophecy thing. But Kate is just a bitch, and never has and never will be useful.

I don't know Jeremy think about Kate being "useful" for a moment. Without Kate where would Aaron be? It seems that her whole crazy life was leading up to being on the island and winding up the caretaker of Aaron even if only to keep him safe off the island. He would have become a ward of the state and gotten abused or lost in the system, maybe. Who else of the 06 could have succeeded with Aaron as she has?

Without Kate, what might have induced the stubborn Jack to save Ben's life? Without Kate to soften Sawyer who else would have had to jump out of the helicopter? So Kate may not be that likable in some ways, but she has fulfilled her destiny in being there and being willing to keep Aaron safe.

Also, Kate has been a part of almost every hunt, every forage to find out about the Others and so many other Lost "expeditions." She erred, but became a hostage that probably saved a lot of lives when Jack, Sawyer and Locke had to give up their guns to Mr. Friendly that time. She was the first person to give personal aid to Jack by sewing up his wound. She's the one who told Danielle that Alex was her daughter. She has been like a hidden barometer to judge other characters by. Without Kate, the whole show would have been much weaker.
IMO Kate has been very "useful" indeed!:)

[krakup]

yes,when u say it like that kate is as important as ev1 else. mayb more cause of aaron, he is "adam" my guess i wont say "eve" :)

[Dr Violence]

So we know the ''6'' have to go back to the island, but Ben said ''You all have to go back'' Do you guys think that will include Walt? John isn't one of the six of course either and he has to go back dead.
Since he's back in the show I think he will also go to the island.
I thought he would end up being one of the most important characters.

[lostlindy]

What about the phsycic Clair went to and was so insistant on her being the only one to raise Aaron. Now Kate is raising him. That has to have something to do with Kate having to back to the island. And also Aaron.

[SpaceBar]

What about the phsycic Clair went to and was so insistant on her being the only one to raise Aaron. Now Kate is raising him. That has to have something to do with Kate having to back to the island. And also Aaron.

Very true.

But I think what we need to discover here is...who the heck is Gilligan?

Had I used an example for a name I'd a maybe used 'Tom' 'Dick' or 'Harry'. But Gilligan? Mkay.:p

[XmasDVD]

Very true.

But I think what we need to discover here is...who the heck is Gilligan?

Had I used an example for a name I'd a maybe used 'Tom' 'Dick' or 'Harry'. But Gilligan? Mkay.:p


..oops my bad. I assumed everyone had heard of "Gilligan's Island" back from the 1960's - See here --> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057751/

GREAT SHOW! (I saw reruns)

[LostFreak21]

Remember when Ben told them you can go. Another great plan of Bens. He needed them to do something for him I am sure.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I don't know if I would say it was the chaos theory. I am leaning more towards the Closed Timelike Curve. If they are in that loop then I think the 06 needs to be back on the island when it returns. And their timing probably has to be just right, too. Remember bunny #15? When it returned from wherever it was and it almost ran into itself? I think that if it did it would have possibly destroyed not just itself but everything around it. The ol' matter vs. anti-matter idea. I am really beginning to believe that the whole show will end where it began; on the beach with Jack opening his eye.

My fear on the back burner is that they will indeed bring the show back to the beginning...in which case somebody better start running because I'm going after them with Ben's baton! That just does not appeal to me at all; too Twilight Zone-y and I hate a non-end.

This was a little diff circumstance here, but I also keep thinking of Desmond on the floor in the galley of the boat exclaiming, "We're in a bloody snowglobe" or words to that effect... and how Sawyer and Michael ended up right back where they started from on the raft... to name 2 instances where they couldn't seem to get away.

[beachblinkette]

My fear on the back burner is that they will indeed bring the show back to the beginning...in which case somebody better start running because I'm going after them with Ben's baton! That just does not appeal to me at all; too Twilight Zone-y and I hate a non-end.

This was a little diff circumstance here, but I also keep thinking of Desmond on the floor in the galley of the boat exclaiming, "We're in a bloody snowglobe" or words to that effect... and how Sawyer and Michael ended up right back where they started from on the raft... to name 2 instances where they couldn't seem to get away.

I agree with you Lockeing! Just how much IS a plane ticket to France anyway?That kind of ending makes me crazy!! Maybe the far reaches of Patagonia would be a better spot if they want to get away from irate fans!!LOL

[Existentialist]

Good analogy!

[beachblinkette]

Good analogy!
Exi-Where have you been! Earth avatar is nice! Glad to hear from you!!

[notsolost42]

I think it will come back to where it started but with a twist. I think that the island and everyone on it will be destroyed and that will be the real end.

[beachblinkette]

I think it will come back to where it started but with a twist. I think that the island and everyone on it will be destroyed and that will be the real end.
Care to expand on that statement, Notsolost? Is it the unpredictability of the closed time-like curve? Does it have to do with Dr. Chang's video warning about the future? What are your thoughts?

[notsolost42]

No, neither actually. It has to do with what the writers are calling the "volcano". I don't really believe it's an actual volcano but that they are using that as a metaphor for the disasterous explosion that will take place that will destroy the island so no one gets it. I think it will have to do with the exotic matter, electromagnetism, time travel, etc. Perhaps a bit of matter vs. anti-matter type of thing. I think it's going to be a highly volatile ending at a real surprising moment and leave everyone going..."Huh??? What just happened? That's it? That's the end! Oh, man, they're all dead!!!" Anyway, that's what I think. Who knows what they really have in mind. LOL!!!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

What about the phsycic Clair went to and was so insistant on her being the only one to raise Aaron. Now Kate is raising him. That has to have something to do with Kate having to back to the island. And also Aaron.

I want to know how come if it's so important that Claire raise Aaron herself, as the psychic warned, ...WHY did she appear to Kate in the bedroom and insist she NOT take him back there?! And why was she so content then in the cabin, assuming Christian "enlightened" her on the situation...I mean, if they have to go back...was it Jacob who does or does NOT care if they are back? Is it only Ben? (I asked him but he only stared me down with those eyes!!!!)

[BucFanLostinNC]

I want to know how come if it's so important that Claire raise Aaron herself, as the psychic warned, ...WHY did she appear to Kate in the bedroom and insist she NOT take him back there?! And why was she so content then in the cabin, assuming Christian "enlightened" her on the situation...I mean, if they have to go back...was it Jacob who does or does NOT care if they are back? Is it only Ben? (I asked him but he only stared me down with those eyes!!!!)

I would like to know the same answer but the the warning from the psychic was a fraud he was a fraud just as the one Hurley met with. They were both told what to say.

[beachblinkette]

I would like to know the same answer but the the warning from the psychic was a fraud he was a fraud just as the one Hurley met with. They were both told what to say.
I think the psychic was either a fraud or was very scared when his daughter had that death experience. If a fraud, then he wouldn't want anyone poking into his business or bringing up witnesses who would tell on him and how he was a fake maybe.

If he was genuine, then why would he be against advertising something that might bring him a lot of business? Or if he was genuine was he under some pressure to deny the whole thing and denounce it as not true? Do you think he was being blackmailed by Jacob or a representative of Jacob? Did they say: We'll bring your daughter back to life IF you do what we tell you! That deal may have involved getting Claire on the plane. And getting Eko on the plane by not having him have to stay to investigate the incident.

It has always puzzled me.

[beachblinkette]

No, neither actually. It has to do with what the writers are calling the "volcano". I don't really believe it's an actual volcano but that they are using that as a metaphor for the disasterous explosion that will take place that will destroy the island so no one gets it. I think it will have to do with the exotic matter, electromagnetism, time travel, etc. Perhaps a bit of matter vs. anti-matter type of thing. I think it's going to be a highly volatile ending at a real surprising moment and leave everyone going..."Huh??? What just happened? That's it? That's the end! Oh, man, they're all dead!!!" Anyway, that's what I think. Who knows what they really have in mind. LOL!!!

If your prediction comes true then I want one of those Tee shirts that says:
They blew up the island and all I got was this lousy Tee shirt!!!!LOL!!!

[BucFanLostinNC]

I think the psychic was either a fraud or was very scared when his daughter had that death experience. If a fraud, then he wouldn't want anyone poking into his business or bringing up witnesses who would tell on him and how he was a fake maybe.

If he was genuine, then why would he be against advertising something that might bring him a lot of business? Or if he was genuine was he under some pressure to deny the whole thing and denounce it as not true? Do you think he was being blackmailed by Jacob or a representative of Jacob? Did they say: We'll bring your daughter back to life IF you do what we tell you! That deal may have involved getting Claire on the plane. And getting Eko on the plane by not having him have to stay to investigate the incident.

It has always puzzled me.

Good ideas thats along my lines of thinking but I feel it was Christian that set up her psychic just as Hugos dad did for him.

[Archangel-Player]

If you're talking about "supposed" you mean something like fate or destiny with its own will that you can't escape. (And "free will" as an contrary concept)?!

But then you have the following problem:
If you believe in a destiny which leaves you to an island and wants you to stay there, then there is no possibility of leaving this island! It's a big point about destiny/fate that you can do nothing to change it!
But whatsoever if it is destiny or random there is always the possibility of forecast. I mean it in a way of: "if you're doing that, this is going to happen or if you do this, that will happen..."
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Ok think about it in this senario. Take for example. God wrote your life before you where created. everything you would have, Have done, and will do is already wrote out and your to live it. But at the same time God gives you free will to make the choices in your life. But you have to anwser for them when you make them

On the island your brought there for a reason your free to make the choices you think are right. Just as we saw they chose to leave. But was it the right choice? Now they must face the consquances of their action to leave.

Just because your path is already writen "he will do this and she shall do that and so on" doesn't mean Fate/Destney made you do it. You still chose to do it. It's something out there knew which choice you would make and because it's your life to live it could do nothing to stop you. Unless you ask for help. And that is what is finaly happening Jack finaly realize that Locke was right and now He in a sense asked Ben to help by accepting his call of direction to go back to the island.

[Archangel-Player]

So we know the ''6'' have to go back to the island, but Ben said ''You all have to go back'' Do you guys think that will include Walt? John isn't one of the six of course either and he has to go back dead.
Since he's back in the show I think he will also go to the island.
I thought he would end up being one of the most important characters.
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Who said Locke wasn't important anymore? Ben didn't say we need to bring him to for no reason. In death Locke could very well serve as a better guide to the Losties than if he was living. A page out of the bible and Star Wars. Which Star Wars and the Bible have played quite a bit in the roles on LOST. Lots of lines and senarios taken from The Bible and Star Wars. Perhaps he will be brought back some how.

[Archangel-Player]

I want to know how come if it's so important that Claire raise Aaron herself, as the psychic warned, ...WHY did she appear to Kate in the bedroom and insist she NOT take him back there?! And why was she so content then in the cabin, assuming Christian "enlightened" her on the situation...I mean, if they have to go back...was it Jacob who does or does NOT care if they are back? Is it only Ben? (I asked him but he only stared me down with those eyes!!!!)
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I want to say that the island was speaking to Kate in that dreame. But then again there's Smokey and his way of manipulating the situation as he did with Eko. Perhaps "he" to has the ability to get off the island VIA the mind or some other odd way"Abanddon" He did after all know of Locke's future to get to the island. Perhaps he knows that Arran is some what a chosen one possabily. If he is brought back then he will either cause destruction or bring back peace. Man a Anikin Skywalker senario lol.

[beachblinkette]

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Who said Locke wasn't important anymore? Ben didn't say we need to bring him to for no reason. In death Locke could very well serve as a better guide to the Losties than if he was living. A page out of the bible and Star Wars. Which Star Wars and the Bible have played quite a bit in the roles on LOST. Lots of lines and senarios taken from The Bible and Star Wars. Perhaps he will be brought back some how.
Very keen observation there!!! It's so true! I've done so much research in the Bible while watching this series! That's a very good point about Locke possibly being more important because he's dead than he was when he was alive! (Star Wars: Obi wan Kenobi) (Jesus Christ--the Bible)

I would add Star Trek to that list, too. I recall that on Star Trek they were frequently being assailed by visitors from strange planets with unusual inhabitants. There were also several episodes involving mythology such as the Greek Gods. We have seen those references on Lost, too. A whole episode might involve trying to figure out who was attacking or interfering and why they were there.The visitors might take over the personna of some of the crew. There were strange mind-altering forces from various alien habitats. It often meant that some would die and some would even appear to be dead but would survive harrowing events by strange incidents. How many times did we think the warp core was going to blow? They often "moved" the ship by going into warp drive. They were "beamed up" or down as their way of getting there and back! They might even be changed forever by their encounters. How many threatening and provocative characters did we see--- like Q?(BEN?) Writers may have vastly expanded that concept into an island instead of a planet.

IMO It doesn't take anything away from Lost because of the richness with which they have peopled the island-- and its many mysterious connections. And we are all still GUESSING!!!!!
So far, its been a very rewarding adventure!!!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

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Ok think about it in this senario. Take for example. God wrote your life before you where created. everything you would have, Have done, and will do is already wrote out and your to live it. But at the same time God gives you free will to make the choices in your life. But you have to anwser for them when you make them

On the island your brought there for a reason your free to make the choices you think are right. Just as we saw they chose to leave. But was it the right choice? Now they must face the consquances of their action to leave.

Just because your path is already writen "he will do this and she shall do that and so on" doesn't mean Fate/Destney made you do it. You still chose to do it. It's something out there knew which choice you would make and because it's your life to live it could do nothing to stop you. Unless you ask for help. And that is what is finaly happening Jack finaly realize that Locke was right and now He in a sense asked Ben to help by accepting his call of direction to go back to the island.

Hi...again... :p
Sorry if this was already old news, but I liked this post because actually it is the essense of what the real life person Jeremy Betham stood for. A utilitarian who emphasized one's choice and the consequences thereof.
I don't think they re-named John "Jeremy Betham" for no reason.;)
This is also why I maintain that there must be a much deeper reason for the actions of appointed leader(s) of this island.