Did Mikhail know Locke??

[im a bloody rock god]

Alright, so i was watching lost, and in season 3, par avion, Mikhail is talking to kate, sayid, rosseau, and locke. He makes a comment to locke, saying something like, " You John Locke, I have a fleeting memory of you, but i must be mistaken, because the John Locke I remember was......" and then he is cut off.

It just hit me that if the island went back in time, did Locke run the island in the past??? Anyone have any ideas???

Just thinking aloud

[krakup]

Alright, so i was watching lost, and in season 3, par avion, Mikhail is talking to kate, sayid, rosseau, and locke. He makes a comment to locke, saying something like, " You John Locke, I have a fleeting memory of you, but i must be mistaken, because the John Locke I remember was......" and then he is cut off.

It just hit me that if the island went back in time, did Locke run the island in the past??? Anyone have any ideas???

Just thinking aloud

its very possible imo but with the time jumping around and only having part of the information i am completely in the dark as t who when where what lol i'm going t let the writers tell me :) i do think u may b right mayb they all have been there b4

[im a bloody rock god]

Im just thinking that maybe before Ben was in charge of the others, Locke was the leader, if, when ben moved the island, it moved back in time. Then Locke would be the leader, hypothetically, and this is why Mikhail knows him, because he used to be the leader of the others. Could it be possible that locke left, and came back when 815 crashed? Could it be possible that Locke is coming back for the second time?

[krakup]

idk if he was the leader b4 but possible

[im a bloody rock god]

Well aren't we assuming that Locke is the current leader of the others, so it is possible for Locke to be the leader in the past if when ben moved the island it moved in the past?

[krakup]

Well aren't we assuming that Locke is the current leader of the others, so it is possible for Locke to be the leader in the past if when ben moved the island it moved in the past?

yes, yes its possible :)

[Rocko593]

Maybe Mikhail knew Locke before, when he was in a wheel chair. If you finish off the quote: " You John Locke, I have a fleeting memory of you, but i must be mistaken, because the John Locke I remember was......in a wheel chair." it would make sense.

And speaking of Mikhail, has anyone else ever noticed that in Season 2: in The Other 48 days, when the tailies find the bunker that Libby holds up a glass eye. Could this be Mikhail's glass eye?? I think it just might be...

[notsolost42]

There is another thread about this that I started not too long ago. I also thought he had known Locke, perhaps from their time on the island before. If it is all round, time that is, then they would have all gone through this before. My idea was shot down. Someone should pull up the thread.

[beachblinkette]

I keep thinking about the way Bea Klugh (Clugh?) told Mikhail to shoot her --a somewhat strange request that I can't figure out. It's something that may go along with this time repeating itself idea and the way Mikhail knew Locke when he was in the wheelchair, possibly? If you have been through something time and time again then maybe there's a point when you just want to opt out of it all--like Bea Klugh did? Or you decide to change the outcome by having yourself eliminated and causing some other kind of course correction, maybe? Was she doing it to try to change the outcome of Mikhail getting fried by the fence or some other outcome? Can you somehow take the vacuum created by another's death and use that to come back to life?Another thought: did she actually die--I really doubt it. Does the magic box figure in here and Ben just wishes you back to life? These things are connected, not sure exactly how though.
Also, I was watching an author lecture on "Branding" or product placement in the entertainment business. These guys pay a lot of money to have their product visible on the screen. Is the McCutcheon Whisky just a product placement ploy?

[notsolost42]

I agree that Bea Klugh is not really dead. I still believe that she is Susan Lloyd's mother and we will find this out at some point. When she interogated Michael she didn't ask one question about Walt's mother, just about himself as the father. To me this shows that she knew everything she needed to know about Walt's mother because it was her daughter. I still see a resemblence there, too.
As for why Bea gave it up so quick to die. Well, either she is one heck of a selfless spy or she knew it wouldn't effect anything because she'd be back. And I think she will. I believe her rank is right up there under Ben someplace. I think she had a good grasp on the situation and what was really going on there on the island. She was protecting something or someone to ask to die like that.
That's an interesting point about MacCutcheon Scotch. I have to say that when I Googled it I only found Lost references. I may not have gone back far enough though.

[beachblinkette]

Without spending a lot of time on it, I found a book "The daughter of Anderson Crow by a George Barr McCutcheon where he's a whiskey (Scotch) drinking detective Etc. and that may be the gist of Widmore's drink. It may be a sneaky way to allude to the Detective series by McCutcheon. LOL! Otherwise, you seem to be right about it not being a real brand.:) If you look it up ,let me know what you find!

[Dharma Employee]

I think this whole time theory is the perfect reason for why John can now walk. Maybe when they crashed on the island, they went back far enough in time to before the year John was paralyzed. Which is the reason he is able to walk. The island does mysterious things, possibly including changing peoples bodies back in time. This theory could also be used with Rose. She was dying from cancer before they crashed, maybe she was cured because of the time theory. The only flaw in this would be Claire though, because of the Aaron. Any thoughts?

[krakup]

I think this whole time theory is the perfect reason for why John can now walk. Maybe when they crashed on the island, they went back far enough in time to before the year John was paralyzed. Which is the reason he is able to walk. The island does mysterious things, possibly including changing peoples bodies back in time. This theory could also be used with Rose. She was dying from cancer before they crashed, maybe she was cured because of the time theory. The only flaw in this would be Claire though, because of the Aaron. Any thoughts?

its 1 of the big mysteries how was john healed. rose is the same i guess just different, i mean john said his spine was crushed. claire i agree is unknown, she was kidnapped by ethan and didn't remember anyone then she did, idk bout claire

[notsolost42]

I've posted that when the plane crashed it went back in time a few days, which was why Christian Shephard was alive again. It doesn't work if you go back too far because then Claire wouldn't be pregnant anymore.

Beach...love that!!! I think TPTB are definitely alluding to that book. What else can you tell us about it? That's a great find! You know how they always make so many literary references!

[beachblinkette]

I've posted that when the plane crashed it went back in time a few days, which was why Christian Shephard was alive again. It doesn't work if you go back too far because then Claire wouldn't be pregnant anymore.

Beach...love that!!! I think TPTB are definitely alluding to that book. What else can you tell us about it? That's a great find! You know how they always make so many literary references!
There's a complete online copy of the book so you can read it. The author George Barr McCutcheon died in the 1920's. His main character was Anderson Crow (I was mistaken-he didn't drink Scotch) who was a self-appointed detective-a sort of good-hearted bumbler type. A baby girl was left on his doorstep and he and his wife raised her for 20 years under a veil of mystery, etc. Finally it turned out that she was an heiress, and royalty, etc. Happy ending.

Here's a few exerpts that had a very weak connection to Lost.
"Tinkletown...For was not their village a perpetual monument to the American Revolution?" (the others fighting intruders?)

"A picture of the conflict that brought glory to the sleepy inhabitants whose ancestors were enterprising enough to annihilate a whole company of redcoats once on a time." (a whole company of Dharma?)

"...he could not understand why the dead had been left unburied...".(the open pit with dead dharmans?)

"for the paltry sum of three dollars and quarter.." (3.25)

I'm just grasping at straws here. It wasn't a bad story but didn't seem to relate to Lost unless McCutcheon is some Lost writer's ancestor that they wanted to remember by using the Scotch brand to meld the two names. ????

[notsolost42]

Those ties may not be as loosley related as you say. We all know about the many, many literary references TPTB make and have made throughout the series. I think it's a great find! The only thing they may have taken a little license with is the spelling. Didn't they spell MacCutcheon in Lost instead of what I would agree is the correct spelling of McCutcheon? I may be confused about the spelling.

[beachblinkette]

Those ties may not be as loosley related as you say. We all know about the many, many literary references TPTB make and have made throughout the series. I think it's a great find! The only thing they may have taken a little license with is the spelling. Didn't they spell MacCutcheon in Lost instead of what I would agree is the correct spelling of McCutcheon? I may be confused about the spelling.
I looked up the Mc and the Mac element. They are interchangeable it seems in Scotch and Irish ancestry history. In following the name McCutcheon, I found this reference to John McCutcheon, an Australian singer/songwriter. thought this might be interesting: Was it you who put the thread on some time ago on the Dreamtime mythology?

200 years and more have past
Since Cooke saw Botany Bay
Still the choices that we made
Create our history every day
The things that we remember
The races that we start
Bring us to the water's edge
With fire in our heart's


A stolen generation
Children taken from their home
Taken from bush to town
Taken from their blood and bone
Still the Dreamtime called to them
The songlines shown the way
Led them safely back to home
Led us to this day

So is someone from Lost a fan of John McCutcheon, as in McCutcheon's Scotch?

[LOSTintheFlood]

I think we will find out that Locke definitly meets some of the "others" while skipping through time which will mean that those he met, like Mikhail, would recognize John during the time in which the 815 passengers were all on the Island.

*if I go back in time and meet personA, then am sent somewhere else in time, when I finally run into personA (as long as it is in the future compard to when I saw him while time traveling), personA would recognize me.

if i could try to complete the sentence maybe Mikhail is saying: the John I knew "was shot in the leg"

[Lenae7]

He could have also said "...much older than you." If he met John (as we know him now) in the 70ies (dharma timetable) assuming that he met John while he is currently jumping through time.