Did Ben "Choose" Tunisia, if Not, Who "Chose" it?

[beachblinkette]

When Ben turned the wheel, we saw him and the island engulfed in a white light. (Credtit Notso Ultra violet catastrophe) ....then we saw him "land" in Tunisia.The big question is not so much how he got there but why that place? Was the landing place a natural end to the wormhole, CTC, or black hole, or was it chosen by Ben in some as yet to be revealed way like thinking about it in his mind? Now we know a polar bear wound up there. Was the bear a test case at some future or past time for what Ben was going to be doing?

Or in a polar bear's primitive mind, would that have been a place the bear might have gone back to in time when it 's ancestors learned to live in an extremely cold climate like during an ice age? What is the climate history of Tunisia?

If you notice the background scenery behind Ben in Tunisia, off in the distance you will see what looks like a large basin with a ridge of desert mountains looming above it. This seemed to me to look like a crater dug out of the earth. Craters can be man made through mining and can also be made by meteors and by glacier activity. I wonder if that location has any significance to why Ben landed there and why the Dharma Polar bear bones were found there.

[Jon]

Was the landing place a natural end to the wormhole, CTC, or black hole,

I'm sure it's probably that.

[Monkey-Hands]

When Ben turned the wheel, we saw him and the island engulfed in a white light. (Credtit Notso Ultra violet catastrophe) ....then we saw him "land" in Tunisia.The big question is not so much how he got there but why that place? Was the landing place a natural end to the wormhole, CTC, or black hole, or was it chosen by Ben in some as yet to be revealed way like thinking about it in his mind? Now we know a polar bear wound up there. Was the bear a test case at some future or past time for what Ben was going to be doing?

Or in a polar bear's primitive mind, would that have been a place the bear might have gone back to in time when it 's ancestors learned to live in an extremely cold climate like during an ice age? What is the climate history of Tunisia?

If you notice the background scenery behind Ben in Tunisia, off in the distance you will see what looks like a large basin with a ridge of desert mountains looming above it. This seemed to me to look like a crater dug out of the earth. Craters can be man made through mining and can also be made by meteors and by glacier activity. I wonder if that location has any significance to why Ben landed there and why the Dharma Polar bear bones were found there.

What I wonder is that if Ben jumped from December 2004 to October 2005, did the island the same?? Like 10 months ahead?

[ortrules]

If I recall, it has been confirmed that the exact polar opposite of Tunisia is near the island's location, somewhere close to Fiji. If you were able to flatten the globe along the equator and stick a pin through Tunisia, the pin would come out through the island's location (or near it) - or something like that, I forget all the details.

As for the polar bears, I still believe that Dharma used polar bears to move the island. Dharma was teaching the bears to move levers to get food, so that would translate well into getting the bears to move the wheel. This is also why Charlotte knew she'd find a polar bear when she was in Tunisia.

[bunnydixon]

If I recall, it has been confirmed that the exact polar opposite of Tunisia is near the island's location, somewhere close to Fiji. If you were able to flatten the globe along the equator and stick a pin through Tunisia, the pin would come out through the island's location (or near it) - or something like that, I forget all the details.

As for the polar bears, I still believe that Dharma used polar bears to move the island. Dharma was teaching the bears to move levers to get food, so that would translate well into getting the bears to move the wheel. This is also why Charlotte knew she'd find a polar bear when she was in Tunisia.

so you think the island is not moving very far each time? still within the area that would be the other side of tunisia or is this irrelevant as they are shifitng in time and not location?

[ortrules]

so you think the island is not moving very far each time? still within the area that would be the other side of tunisia or is this irrelevant as they are shifitng in time and not location?

I'm starting to think that the island doesn't move in the physical sense. If you watched the first swan videos, there was a scene where the bunny that was to be sent through time suddenly appeared and havoc followed.

I think the island moving works somewhat similar. It disappears like that bunny did as it moves through time and then reappears whenever it's finished - but it remains in the same physical location. I think the danger in moving the island is then similar to the danger of the same bunny suddenly being in the same time as its other self.

[notsolost42]

I'm starting to think that the island doesn't move in the physical sense. If you watched the first swan videos, there was a scene where the bunny that was to be sent through time suddenly appeared and havoc followed.

I think the island moving works somewhat similar. It disappears like that bunny did as it moves through time and then reappears whenever it's finished - but it remains in the same physical location. I think the danger in moving the island is then similar to the danger of the same bunny suddenly being in the same time as its other self.

Okay folks, let me put something to rest if I can. In this spacetime shift, I do not believe the island physically moves. I'll use Desmond for an example. When he was catapulted in spacetime by the Swan implosion and the ultraviolet catastrophy, we saw him appear back in England with Penny. But, he was still on the island. When we saw him go back to when he was in the service he was still on the island. When he was in the copter and went back again he was still in the copter. Essentially, he caught up to himself, as the bunny did, and then spacetime was made "right" again.
I guess you have to think multidimensionally or something because the person, animal or whatever is in two dimensions at the same time. At least two that is. It's like a relatively new theory (no pun intended...relatively) that says there are multiple dimensions and that we occupy all of them simultaineously. The differences in the dimensions is based on the path we choose and what alternate choices we could have made. In other words, in other spacetime dimensions, you would experience every possible choice of what you could have done. I think I posted about this very briefly once before. It's hard to imagine, but look at it like this. This morning when you woke up you decided not to have that cup of coffee in this dimension. In another dimension, you did have that cup of coffee, etc.

[beachblinkette]

Okay folks, let me put something to rest if I can. In this spacetime shift, I do not believe the island physically moves. I'll use Desmond for an example. When he was catapulted in spacetime by the Swan implosion and the ultraviolet catastrophy, we saw him appear back in England with Penny. But, he was still on the island. When we saw him go back to when he was in the service he was still on the island. When he was in the copter and went back again he was still in the copter. Essentially, he caught up to himself, as the bunny did, and then spacetime was made "right" again.
I guess you have to think multidimensionally or something because the person, animal or whatever is in two dimensions at the same time. At least two that is. It's like a relatively new theory (no pun intended...relatively) that says there are multiple dimensions and that we occupy all of them simultaineously. The differences in the dimensions is based on the path we choose and what alternate choices we could have made. In other words, in other spacetime dimensions, you would experience every possible choice of what you could have done. I think I posted about this very briefly once before. It's hard to imagine, but look at it like this. This morning when you woke up you decided not to have that cup of coffee in this dimension. In another dimension, you did have that cup of coffee, etc.
Thanks, NotSoLost, if that's the case then I'd like to make contact with the dimension in which I am extremely healthy, extremely wealthy, and extremely wise! HAHAHAHAHA! But the nose bleeds might be bothersome!!

[notsolost42]

Thanks, NotSoLost, if that's the case then I'd like to make contact with the dimension in which I am extremely healthy, extremely wealthy, and extremely wise! HAHAHAHAHA! But the nose bleeds might be bothersome!!

You and me both, Beach!!! LOL!!! I think that this actually has something to do with the eleven dimensions of Stephen Hawking's string theory or something like that!!! I get so confused traveling from dimension to dimension all the time!!!!

[bunnydixon]

Okay folks, let me put something to rest if I can. In this spacetime shift, I do not believe the island physically moves. I'll use Desmond for an example. When he was catapulted in spacetime by the Swan implosion and the ultraviolet catastrophy, we saw him appear back in England with Penny. But, he was still on the island. When we saw him go back to when he was in the service he was still on the island. When he was in the copter and went back again he was still in the copter. Essentially, he caught up to himself, as the bunny did, and then spacetime was made "right" again.
I guess you have to think multidimensionally or something because the person, animal or whatever is in two dimensions at the same time. At least two that is. It's like a relatively new theory (no pun intended...relatively) that says there are multiple dimensions and that we occupy all of them simultaineously. The differences in the dimensions is based on the path we choose and what alternate choices we could have made. In other words, in other spacetime dimensions, you would experience every possible choice of what you could have done. I think I posted about this very briefly once before. It's hard to imagine, but look at it like this. This morning when you woke up you decided not to have that cup of coffee in this dimension. In another dimension, you did have that cup of coffee, etc.


:eek:

*pop*

[notsolost42]

:eek:

*pop*

Was that your eyeballs or brain?

[beachblinkette]

Was that your eyeballs or brain?

I think it was just the harmonic convergence of all of our brains popping in unison in all eleven dimensions!!! This has been the most mind expanding adventure I think I've been on!!LOL Love It!!

[bunnydixon]

Was that your eyeballs or brain?

the whole caboodle

[LostLate]

the whole caboodle

You need to duct tape your head up pretty good before you engage in a discussion like this.

It saves a lot of cleanup when the POPs occur!

[Lupernikas]

I can recommend The Butterfly Effect, Donnie Darko and the last book of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Mostly Harmless) for anyone who wants to get the idea of this....the latter gives the very best explaination, oddly enough, when it mentions 'filtered perception'......as said above, we are experiencing all dimensions at once but our perceptions are filtered. In the case of Desmond, for example, something relaxes the filters temporarilly perhaps?

the nosebleeds are very Butterfly effect too don't you think?

My personal theory is this; your consciousness does the moving yes but has to have a body to move within, this is much easier if it's your own body....so, in his jumps, Desmond is moving along his own destiny line but retains his 'up to date' consciousness and memories....this is the paradox which allows him to make changes and or at least try (remember what i consider the weirdest part, when he tries to buy the ring back in S3 and the jeweller woman tells him he isn't supposed to)....however Ben and Richard seem to have access to another method, probably a wormhole as also suggested.....Desmond's temporal instability is a side effect of being so close to whatever it is

[notsolost42]

I can recommend The Butterfly Effect, Donnie Darko and the last book of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Mostly Harmless) for anyone who wants to get the idea of this....the latter gives the very best explaination, oddly enough, when it mentions 'filtered perception'......as said above, we are experiencing all dimensions at once but our perceptions are filtered. In the case of Desmond, for example, something relaxes the filters temporarilly perhaps?

Do you mean the book Chaos Theory? I believe The Butterfly Effect was a movie. As for Hitchhiker's Guide..........42 is the answer to the universe! Don't we know it!! LOL!!

[Lupernikas]

hahahaaha tis indeed sir...no i meant, obviously (without saying ...oops)...the first two are movies and the latter of the three is not, bit of a noun verb mixup there! Lol

In the last book of the Hitchhiker's Trilogy of Five, a being is created with Unfiltered Perception and can so see all dimensions at once...interesting idea when related to Lost I feel

[kateisgr8t]

I am interested to see when the island traveled to, as i'm sure we all are but think about this if the island traveled to say 1990 then the D.I. will still be in control. which means Juiliet never came to the island, Sawyer and company never crashed on the island, Jin, Chalie, Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby and Eko never died on teh island and to the ones still on the island Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley and Ben never existed. If we all remember what happened to Desmond when he went back to the freighter he didn't know who Sayid was because he went back to 1994 and had not met Sayid yet, so I wonder if the same goes for our vanished islanders. I also was thinking a cool episode would be a Walt flashback, what happened when they pulled away from the dock? where did they wind up? how did they get to N.Y.? why won't Michaels mother let him see Walt? It probably wont't happen because Harold is off the show but i'm hoping that they filmed it already.

[notsolost42]

I am interested to see when the island traveled to, as i'm sure we all are but think about this if the island traveled to say 1990 then the D.I. will still be in control. which means Juiliet never came to the island, Sawyer and company never crashed on the island, Jin, Chalie, Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby and Eko never died on teh island and to the ones still on the island Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley and Ben never existed. If we all remember what happened to Desmond when he went back to the freighter he didn't know who Sayid was because he went back to 1994 and had not met Sayid yet, so I wonder if the same goes for our vanished islanders. I also was thinking a cool episode would be a Walt flashback, what happened when they pulled away from the dock? where did they wind up? how did they get to N.Y.? why won't Michaels mother let him see Walt? It probably wont't happen because Harold is off the show but i'm hoping that they filmed it already.

You are missing the point. If the island reset in time to when the DI was in control, that doesn't mean that those who are already on the island when this happened disappear. It means that they are now in that reality with the DI. It changes their realities from where they were originally because now, this time, they are on the island.

[kateisgr8t]

You are missing the point. If the island reset in time to when the DI was in control, that doesn't mean that those who are already on the island when this happened disappear. It means that they are now in that reality with the DI. It changes their realities from where they were originally because now, this time, they are on the island.

I apologize. I did not mean it that way. I fully understand that they don't disappear, what I meant was that they wouldn't remember that they ever came to the island in the first place. In the season 5 trailor Juliet is uncovering the Swan hatch again which means it never imploded, I also noticed that they showed the yellow plane fall out of the tree which is very curious.

[notsolost42]

I apologize. I did not mean it that way. I fully understand that they don't disappear, what I meant was that they wouldn't remember that they ever came to the island in the first place. In the season 5 trailor Juliet is uncovering the Swan hatch again which means it never imploded, I also noticed that they showed the yellow plane fall out of the tree which is very curious.

Oh, okay. Well, I guess it's like this. If you travel back in time then you don't know anything about the future because it hasn't happened yet. If Juliet is uncovering the Swan, which we are assuming, then she would not know what it was. After all, if the island went back about 40 or 50 years in time (hmm, strange, that's how long Adam and Eve have been dead) then she wouldn't have done anything yet on the island regarding why Ben brought her there. It wouldn't have happened yet.