Faraday's Rocket and Dead Doctor

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Why did the rocket show up on the island a half hour late; and the doctor a day or two before his actual death. What if the island has different channels of time 360' around it. Faradays setting is real time, but when going through other settings you can arrive earlier (doctor) or later (rocket). The Others must have away of controlling this to get to and from the island (the Temple?). When it shows Tom visiting Micheal in New York that was set during season 3; Tom had a pretty heavy presence on the island during that time (playing catch with Jack, overseeing the movement of Ben's book collection across the island, and attempted pregnant kidnapping). There's no way he fit in a submarine ride across the world into that itinerary. The island had to have moved him to where the Others wanted. This could explain how Richard stays so boyish. When he goes to visit lil' Locke he comes back to the island through a channel that sets him back to stay young.

[notsolost42]

Time Dilitaion is the answer. The speed of light. How fast the island is really moving. These are the pieces to the puzzle that are the key. Did you know that if you are moving at or about the speed of light, you will not age?
I am beginning to think that curved spacetime will play an enormous role. I think it may account for the rocket experiment arriving on the island 31 minutes late and the doc's body washing ashore two days before he died. If you remember also, when the dingy was going to the freighter, I believe it was Sayid piloting, it seemed to take him about two days to get there. If spacetime is curved around the island then I guess it could answer those riddles. I am reading about spacetime manifolds right now. They look like the cylinders drawn in Daniel's journal. A Lorentz Manifold, especially. I keep seeing Lorentz pop up in much of the reading I have done when it comes to physics and quantum physics. There has to be something to that. If I can understand it and think I can explain it, I'll post it! Right now, it's still on the top shelf for me! LOL!!!

[Anisum]

Time Dilitaion is the answer. The speed of light. How fast the island is really moving. These are the pieces to the puzzle that are the key. Did you know that if you are moving at or about the speed of light, you will not age?


I'm sorry, but I think this is not really correct this way. Living means aging (as long as you live there is something in progress, so you are aging)! But the "feeling" about the time changes. They always give us this exemple of somebody leaving the earth and flying around on high speed (or even on the speed of light), when this person comes back to the earth he will be much younger as the people who stayed on earth. And thats exactly what Daniels rocket-experiment is trying to demonstrate.
But "no-aging" is not possible :-)

[notsolost42]

I'm sorry, but I think this is not really correct this way. Living means aging (as long as you live there is something in progress, so you are aging)! But the "feeling" about the time changes. They always give us this exemple of somebody leaving the earth and flying around on high speed (or even on the speed of light), when this person comes back to the earth he will be much younger as the people who stayed on earth. And thats exactly what Daniels rocket-experiment is trying to demonstrate.
But "no-aging" is not possible :-)

Well, I'm sorry to say but you are 100% wrong. Please read up and learn more about physics. It is actually a common, well known fact.

[navyguy]

Why did the rocket show up on the island a half hour late; and the doctor a day or two before his actual death. What if the island has different channels of time 360' around it. Faradays setting is real time, but when going through other settings you can arrive earlier (doctor) or later (rocket). The Others must have away of controlling this to get to and from the island (the Temple?). When it shows Tom visiting Micheal in New York that was set during season 3; Tom had a pretty heavy presence on the island during that time (playing catch with Jack, overseeing the movement of Ben's book collection across the island, and attempted pregnant kidnapping). There's no way he fit in a submarine ride across the world into that itinerary. The island had to have moved him to where the Others wanted. This could explain how Richard stays so boyish. When he goes to visit lil' Locke he comes back to the island through a channel that sets him back to stay young.

As for the differences between the rocket and the doctor, Daniel set up the rocket experiment so the direction of the rocket was (i believe) set in that specific bearing, while the doctor just fell in the water and floated in.

[notsolost42]

As for the differences between the rocket and the doctor, Daniel set up the rocket experiment so the direction of the rocket was (i believe) set in that specific bearing, while the doctor just fell in the water and floated in.

That may very well be true. I was thinking that the arc of the rocket made the difference in time. Both could actually be right. If Daniel had the rocket sent on one of the coordinates but because of the nature of its path, it arcs, then that really might account for the slight difference in time. It pierced the spacetime "vortex" and that changed the amount of time it took to return to the island. Does that sound plausible to you Navyguy?

I just have to add that I looked it up in Lostpedia and Daniel set up a tripod and sent out a beacon to the ship regarding the experiment. It didn't say anything about coordinates. So, if the beacon is a radio wave, and radio waves travel on electromagnetc waves in space, then it may have been bent by whatever is going on. In other words, if there is a curve in spacetime around the island, the beacon goes out along the curve to the ship. Okay, it gets there. Now, when the rocket is being phsically sent back it travels on the curve in spacetime so it takes longer. Again, it pierced the curve to get there. Either way, it sounds possible.

[krakup]

Well, I'm sorry to say but you are 100% wrong. Please read up and learn more about physics. It is actually a common, well known fact.

That being said, welcome back Anisum lol u havta get told by notso:)
Notso can u correct me, i watched that video u linked on black holes, thanks very interesting.i heard that the closer you are to massive amounts of magnetic forces the slower time moves relative to further away?

[Monkey-Hands]

That being said, welcome back Anisum lol u havta get told by notso:)
Notso can u correct me, i watched that video u linked on black holes, thanks very interesting.i heard that the closer you are to massive amounts of magnetic forces the slower time moves relative to further away?

Where's the link to the video?? I was searching for it yesterday but haven't found it. :(

[krakup]

Where's the link to the video?? I was searching for it yesterday but haven't found it. :(

wait, is that you too?

[Monkey-Hands]

wait, is that you too?

What!? :confused:

[notsolost42]

Krakup - yes, according to Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, if you are traveling at light speed your watch will appear to keep normal time because it is moving with you at light speed but if someone is watching you move at light speed and timing you on their watch, you will appear to have actually stopped moving. Therefore, the person watching you move at light speed will age appropriately, while you, on the other hand, will have slowed in aging greatly.
Einstein's General Theory of Relativity proved that space and time are one...i.e. spacetime. Space bends and warps time. He proved that Newton's theory of gravity was wrong. Newton said that gravity was a force that pulls. Einstein proved that spacetime is a force that pushes. So, that's what keeps you forced down.

[krakup]

Krakup - yes, according to Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, if you are traveling at light speed your watch will appear to keep normal time because it is moving with you at light speed but if someone is watching you move at light speed and timing you on their watch, you will appear to have actually stopped moving. Therefore, the person watching you move at light speed will age appropriately, while you, on the other hand, will have slowed in aging greatly.
Einstein's General Theory of Relativity proved that space and time are one...i.e. spacetime. Space bends and warps time. He proved that Newton's theory of gravity was wrong. Newton said that gravity was a force that pulls. Einstein proved that spacetime is a force that pushes. So, that's what keeps you forced down.

so then its right to think the island is almost motionless in time? with the huge magnetic anomalies on the island. its kind of "back in time"??

[notsolost42]

so then its right to think the island is almost motionless in time? with the huge magnetic anomalies on the island. its kind of "back in time"??

Not really, it's not motionless. If something is going the speed of light it's traveling about 300,000,000 miles per second. That's not standing still. It just looks like it to someone at a distance. When you look at a faraway star, it doesn't look like the light is moving, right? Well, that light is traveling at the same speed. If someone is moving at light speed and wearing a watch, the watch appears to keep regular time because it is moving with the person. It's like if you are in a speeding car. You appear not to be moving but in reality, you are moving as fast as the car! Does that help?

[krakup]

Not really, it's not motionless. If something is going the speed of light it's traveling about 300,000,000 miles per second. That's not standing still. It just looks like it to someone at a distance. When you look at a faraway star, it doesn't look like the light is moving, right? Well, that light is traveling at the same speed. If someone is moving at light speed and wearing a watch, the watch appears to keep regular time because it is moving with the person. It's like if you are in a speeding car. You appear not to be moving but in reality, you are moving as fast as the car! Does that help?

clear as mud lol no thanks for the breakdown

[notsolost42]

Don't worry....in the end none of this will actually matter at all!!!

[krakup]

but u should feel satisfied that u have enlightened us, even if only a little. actually i know ****loads more about physics than i thought possible, thanks to this board :)

[notsolost42]

but u should feel satisfied that u have enlightened us, even if only a little. actually i know ****loads more about physics than i thought possible, thanks to this board :)

You and me both! I didn't know anything about physics before I started reading things for my postings. Not a darned thing! I was always good in the biological sciences, fair in chemistry and the absolute worst in higher mathematics. I barely passed calculus and I had audited the class first! Not my cup of tea. I still don't get any of the physics math but I do get the concepts. I can picture abstracts in my head. I guess I'm just weird. This board has been great for me and a real, true learning experience and I hope to keep it up!