Jack's dad still alive in the flash forward?

[PacmanIsLost]

This is really something of a season 3 issue but no one seems to look at those anymore so i figured this would be a much better place to discuss this and i didn't see anywhere that it had been brought up so here goes:

When Jack nearly gets busted stealing painkillers from his hospital in his flash forward in "Through the Looking Glass" he is confronted by the new chief of medicine and accuses Jack of being drunk and then Jack says "OK, I'll tell you what, you do this. You get my father down here, get him down here right now, and if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me." Now of course he could be just ranting in a drunken stupor, or is delusional about his father still being alive, or by get him down here he is referring to bringing him down from heaven which would be impossible so he could therefore not fire Jack... but perhaps there is more to it than meets the eye? any thoughts?

[Turbineblade]

well.....Im pretty sure Jacks dad is dead and gone......but I like where your going.

[bunnydixon]

i think it could either mean that yes he is alove and somehow the future has been altered or there is several realities running side by side at once and jack has gone back to the wrong one.

OR - it could well be that jack is trying to prove a point - get my drunken father down here now - oh wait, thats right you cant, he drank himself to death....guess he IS the worse drunk!!!

[beachblinkette]

I think that the more "lost" Jack becomes in his alcoholism the less his dad looks like a bad character. In his flippant answer to the other doc he's just putting his own mistakes on his dad. I say his dad is really dead, but we can't ever know for sure until it's over and even then will we know the whole story?Doubt it.

[LostFreak21]

This is really something of a season 3 issue but no one seems to look at those anymore so i figured this would be a much better place to discuss this and i didn't see anywhere that it had been brought up so here goes:

When Jack nearly gets busted stealing painkillers from his hospital in his flash forward in "Through the Looking Glass" he is confronted by the new chief of medicine and accuses Jack of being drunk and then Jack says "OK, I'll tell you what, you do this. You get my father down here, get him down here right now, and if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me." Now of course he could be just ranting in a drunken stupor, or is delusional about his father still being alive, or by get him down here he is referring to bringing him down from heaven which would be impossible so he could therefore not fire Jack... but perhaps there is more to it than meets the eye? any thoughts?

Maybe that is why the coffin was empty- he really didn't die. Maybe that was all a setup to get Jack on that plane. Maybe Jack's Dad has been alive all the time.

[TSOL1]

Or.. Maybe Jack was just so out of it because of the drugs that the fact his father was dead slipped his mind. It has been known to happen with people who are seriously into drugs/alcohol.

[missjulie]

Oh, I'm convinced Jack's dad is still alive. No doubt about it.

[KarmaKate]

hmm. jacks dad never died and some how ended up on the island. how did lockes dad get there? did they capture him? was jacks dad's coffin on flight 815 or did it fly on another plain? that is kind of a stretch.

[WhatLikeAGiant?]

No. his dad is dead, because he identified his body. Remember?

[thelawgiver]

What if the body was never put in the coffin or the wrong one was delivered to Oceanic? Maybe Jack's dad stayed in Sydney and became one of those National Enquirer stories of the person was actually alive, but pronounced dead. Or Jack's dad facked it all to escape his life.

[bunnydixon]

well something similar happened to that charlotte malkin - she was pronounced dead and then when woke up during her own autopsy!

[Dzbabykel]

Ahh I feel really stupid for even having to ask this, but who is Charlotte Malkin again??

[Archangel-Player]

I belive in this deranged future that we see Jack is how life will be if something doesn't change. Jack has become his father in this future. A man with regret and the only source of peace is alcohol and Oxicodaine. He has become worse than his father ever could. On drugs and shatterd faith.
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I think his father is truly dead and he never made peace with his father before his death so he had built up rage against his father in his system. So to futher put down his father he said what he did to the Doc. and I think Bunny said it best

"OR - it could well be that jack is trying to prove a point - get my drunken father down here now - oh wait, thats right you cant, he drank himself to death....guess he IS the worse drunk!!!"
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"Maybe that is why the coffin was empty- he really didn't die. Maybe that was all a setup to get Jack on that plane. Maybe Jack's Dad has been alive all the time."

Im glade you broughtthat up LostFreak21. I belive why Jack was shown the empty coffien by his father is this. I belive that was an illussion that was actualy Jacob trying to show Jack that he was lyied to in the real world. But he also wanted him to folow him. He wanted Jack to know that he had work to do that he needed to let his father go.He had a lot of people on this island depending on him. When Jack finaly realized his role call as leader Jacob rewarded him with the findings of the caves with a none stop source of fresh water. Remember as Jack finaly realized his role call he heard a loud pop in the back ground which he imidatly chased after and found the caves at the end of his chase.

[bunnydixon]

she is the girl who ecko is told to go and see (in australia) to clarify if her supposed return fom the dead is in fact a miracle - her mother is convinced it is but her father (who is also the psychic who spoke to claire) fobs him off with a story about hypothermia or something along those lines and that his wife is doing this in response to him being a phony.

[Dzbabykel]

OMG! I had TOTALLY forgotten about that! Man I really need to go back and watch everything. Thanks B! :)

[Turnip Queen]

The fact that Jack says 'Get my dad down here' says to me that he's still alive and that the writers put it in deliberately to give us another clue. I think they'd have put the wording differently if they weren't trying to hint at something.

[Charley]

I just watched "Through the Looking Glass" again tonight and noticed what I missed when it originally aired--Jack's reference to getting his dad down here to see who's more drunk. And so I googled and found this thread. At first I thought I'd been wrong about it being a flash forward, but the final scene with Kate at the end of the runway solidly establishes it as in the future compared to the period on the island.

So, no, I don't think it was drug-induced confusion or some smart-ass thing about getting Dad down from heaven (would he even be in heaven?). I think he's alive. Recall that in season 1 Jack saw his dad on the beach heading off into the jungle. We know the island has astonishing restorative powers. Take it from there. . . .

[TuesdaySmith]

I still think he's dead. The coffin being empty doesn't necessarily have to mean he wasn't in it... his body could have fallen out in the crash.

Also, lots of dead people have appeared so seeing him in the woods doesn't really mean that he is alive.. he could be just like the other ones.. he seemed like it.. remember when he led Jack to the caves?

In the flash forward, though, I guess it could be either way... He could have forged the prescription so he could get more pills.. The girl went to call and Jack said that his dad was "away". Also, the new chief of surgery gave him an odd look when Jack said to get his father downstairs. I think that all was put in to try to trick us into thinking he might be alive.

Or, I guess it could have been put in to try to trick us to think he's dead. I don't know.. I'm going with "dead" though.

[missjulie]

Read this explanation/theory of what the island is: http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=554 the reply by Glenn2000 talks about how in our reality you cannot be in two places at once, but on the islands reality you can, you could be BOTH dead AND alive at the same time.

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See this evidence: http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Missing_Pieces specifically the last one, "So It Begins" which places Jack's dad on the island immediately after the crash, in what looks like a suit you might be buried in...

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And add those to the flash forward of Jack talking about his dad....

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JACK's DAD IS ALIVE.

[TuesdaySmith]

Christian being on the island IS NOT evidence that he's alive.

Are you so convinced that Eko's brother, Shannon, Ana Lucia, and Boone are also alive? Because, hey, they all appeared on the island. Oh, and Dave! He MUST be alive too, since he appeared on the island, right?

[mrstooge8it2]

Just need to "name drop"... Dave was played by my cousin

[Dzbabykel]

Ahhh really??? That is sooo cool!! :)

[though2544]

"OK, I'll tell you what, you do this. You get my father down here, get him down here right now, and if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me."

I'm taking these words really literally here, but where I come from, if you have a bad drug or alcohol problem, you go to the 6th floor. The 6th floor is the rehab floor/the top floor at the hospital in my home town. Of course I could be stretching the hell out of this but perhaps Jack's dad is...well...upstairs on the rehab floor. The look of pity from Dr. Hamill could be a "He's not drunk. He's on the 6th floor getting help unlike you" kind of look.

Might be far fetched. I'm just throwing it out there.

[Dzbabykel]

"OK, I'll tell you what, you do this. You get my father down here, get him down here right now, and if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me."

I'm taking these words really literally here, but where I come from, if you have a bad drug or alcohol problem, you go to the 6th floor. The 6th floor is the rehab floor/the top floor at the hospital in my home town. Of course I could be stretching the hell out of this but perhaps Jack's dad is...well...upstairs on the rehab floor. The look of pity from Dr. Hamill could be a "He's not drunk. He's on the 6th floor getting help unlike you" kind of look.

Might be far fetched. I'm just throwing it out there.

Its a little far fetched but not a bad theory at all! Haha all our theories are out there and I mean so are the writers so ya never know :) I'm soo confused on the whole Christian Shepard and even went back last night and watched the episode where Jack had to go to the coroner and see his dad. Dr. Shepard was in FACT dead, even looked sorta blue and was in the bag so he did actually die as we saw. So yah this is where I become lost on that whole story line....but who knows, if the island is in some kind of worm hole and they went back in time (geez sounds crazy lol) then maybe Jack's father IS alive?? Ah...I need another asprin....:confused:

[missjulie]

Wow... did ANYONE read the post I linked to? It talks about how ONE person can be DEAD AND ALIVE AT THE SAME TIME.

Here, I'll make it reeeeaaal easy...

"Place a cat in a sealed, steel box, along with a bottle of poison. In addition, a radioactive element is placed within the steel box. The decay of this element triggers a hammer, which breaks the bottle, releasing the poison and killing the cat (now, please all the cat lovers, don't get upset. First this is only an example or theory and no cats were actually harmed and, Second, Schrodinger dreamed this up not me). For the observer outside of the box, they don't know when the radioactive decay happens. Because of the laws of Superposition, the radioactive element can occupy both states simultaneously, for the briefest moment. For that blink in time, the bottle is both broken and intact... the cat is both dead and alive, AT THE SAME TIME. This is a puzzle of science, but more important perhaps is the philosophical question of what does it mean to be both dead and alive?

The passengers, the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 are dead at the bottom of the ocean AND they are ALIVE on the island. They are both dead and alive. Just like the cat in the box (not to be confused with the cat in the hat). Since they are alive in the "past" of the island's timeline, can they return to the present in which they are dead? That is THE question." -Glenn2000

More... http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=554

[lostmama]

What about when Hurley sees Charlie outside at the Funny Farm. Charlie says to him, I'm dead but I'm here?? There could be an alternate reality thing going on????:eek:

[Cloudy]

Christian being on the island IS NOT evidence that he's alive.

Are you so convinced that Eko's brother, Shannon, Ana Lucia, and Boone are also alive? Because, hey, they all appeared on the island. Oh, and Dave! He MUST be alive too, since he appeared on the island, right?

Lost r srs business!
It'll be hot when he is alive. ;)