Daniel's comments about light on the island. Thoughts!

[dezinio]

What are everyone's thoughts as to daniel faradays comments about the light not scattering properly on the island?

What do you think the producers/writers are trying to get at? What do you think this tells us about the island?

Personally i didn't really understand how some1 can comment on this just by looking. I'll post more later if any1 replies

[Dzbabykel]

Maybe the light not scattering properly goes along with how Desmond makes the comment about how this island is like a snow globe? Haha doubt it but just a thought :)

[Barbecue_Bod]

yes prhaps some kind of protective sphere sorrounds the island

[dezinio]

I think its strange that more people haven't picked up on this point to be honest. I think there is a definite message the writers are trying to get across to us here, im just lost (excuse the pun) as to what it is. I'll have another think later. Gotta get off this while at work!

[rgarcia]

Maybe the island is being made invisible to those outside the "snow globe" due to a Philadephia Experiment type invisibility field being created through magnets.

[james220]

I think its strange that more people haven't picked up on this point to be honest. I think there is a definite message the writers are trying to get across to us here, im just lost (excuse the pun) as to what it is. I'll have another think later. Gotta get off this while at work!

I think this is one of the key clues of the episode along with the freaky frame changes at grandma's house. Anyway, I had a thread going in regard to Faraday as a possible reference to Michael Faraday, famous physicist with discoveries in electromagnetism. You should find it in "Season 4", I think I called it "Daniel Faraday. Great grandson of Michael Faraday?"

[dezinio]

Yeah i've had a read of your thread earlier. I actually studied Physics at uni so when daniel said his last name was Faraday, Michael Faraday was the first thing that came into my head. Its too much of a coincidence that Daniel has the last name Faraday and is a Physicist and also on an island with strange magnetic properties.

This is my line of thought though as to why i found the statement strange, but also why i found it to be something significant like james220 said.

My thinking is that we as humans wouldn't be able to look and say whether light is scattered more or less than usual its not something we would pick up on, simply because we wouldn't have anything to compare to. To my knowledge a lot of the scattering of light takes place when light enters the earths atmosphere. So i was just thinking that maybe daniel says this to hint to us that the island has a different atmosphere to earth or its not on earth at all. Just putting some stuff out there thats all

[stream]

maaybe he CAN see how light scatters, they all seem to have talents and maybe he is an artist as well as a physisist (he he thats the best I can spell that)

[Ezekiel 25:17]

I believe that stream, that Daniel has a unique ability, what of? I don't know. But it may come into play, Frank can fly, Miles can talk to spirits, and Charlotte, can ..... well, she can be mean, thats for sure.

[TuesdaySmith]

I wrote about this somewhere else, but I think it has to do with the electromagnetic thing going on on the island.. Light travels in waves, and I'd have to look it up to be sure, but my guess would be that the properties of the island would affect the way the waves travel. It may be something subtle that regular people wouldn't notice, but a physicist (and maybe more especially a "headcase" physicist) would notice.

Oh, and I just looked up Michael Faraday, and the site I looked at said "The research that established Faraday as the foremost experimental scientist of his day was, however, in the fields of electricity and magnetism."

[racerx]

Isnt light a particle and a wave?

[dezinio]

Your on the right lines racerx. Light is not a particle and a wave, but exhibits both wave-like and particle-like properties. It's called wave-particle duality and all matter behaves this way if i remember rightly. This is a Quantum Mechanics idea, to describe how matter behaves beyond the realms that classical physics could.

We know that the island has some strange magnetic (or electromagnetic) field or something along those lines but i can't see how it would effect light as it is an electromagnetic wave itself. They can't interact. The only significant property that can be changed is the speed at which light can travel in a medium. Also on a massive scale gravity seems to be able to curve light but thats a different matter i feel

[Dzbabykel]

If only I had paid attention in physics class.......sheesh! :eek:

[bunnydixon]

i tell ya, i have learned so much since becoming a lost fan lol!

[Dzbabykel]

i tell ya, i have learned so much since becoming a lost fan lol!

Agreed!!! If only they had PhD's or Master's degrees in LOST knowledge....oh dear

[HardrocksII]

oh heck,,lol, i still think they landed on some sort of Bizarro world, and nuttin' spose to be the way it should.

[iblpredator]

Maybe the hatch "blowing up" had something to do with it?

[ecw0930]

I definately think that we are supposed to believe that , in the show at least, the magnetic properties are affecting the light on the island. The clue from Faraday was way too blatant to NOT be considered.

But, if magnetism really doesn't effect light then wtf? Would the writers make that kind of mistake? WOuld the consider that their fans know that much... of course they would.... wouldn't they? Or would they take it for granted that 99% of people don't know anything about that.

[TuesdaySmith]

We know that the island has some strange magnetic (or electromagnetic) field or something along those lines but i can't see how it would effect light as it is an electromagnetic wave itself. They can't interact.

But light waves being electromagnetic would be the reason that electromagnetism would affect them. I'm trying to find some information on it, but most links coming up are from books and not pages I can read.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

[Jasonater]

Maybe the magnatism is pulling things closer to the Island that is effecting the light.:confused:

[Dzbabykel]

Maybe the magnatism is pulling things closer to the Island that is effecting the light.:confused:

Well going along with that, thats how I think the plane crashed to the island....the day they crashed, it showed that same day that Desmond had not pressed the button (or something like that I'd have to go back and watch) but maybe when all the metal was being pulled toward that one particular spot, somehow the plan was pulled in as well.

[navyguy]

Ok. Here is what i think.

Im not too sure of this, but does the movement of light have anything to do with time? i would think it does. Physics shows that the speed of light is not a constant, it can be slowed down, it can be stopped.

We have been shown through the comment of number of days on the island and the oceanic press release that time on the island is slower than time outside of it. Make of this what you will.

[TuesdaySmith]

We have been shown through the comment of number of days on the island and the oceanic press release that time on the island is slower than time outside of it.

I must have missed something... what do you mean by this?

[Dzbabykel]

Yah I must have missed that too....where did you get that from??

[bunnydixon]

i think its somethingto do with oceanic reopening in 2007?

[nirvonyx]

arguments about what light is or isn't aside, i think faraday's comment about the light on the island was simply a tongue in cheek reference to his namesake.

i am interested in why naomi called him a headcase, though. to the man hiring her for her mission, she called the four crew members of the helicopter a headcase, a ghostbuster, an anthropologist, and a drunk.

[coldandevell]

Well to me the idea of the magnetic fields and such tie into the idea that the island and its surrounding area are similar to the Bermuda Triangle which has also had magnetic theories attached to it.

Perhaps Daniel Faraday is considered a headcase because he has some far out theories about that area and why things "disappear" there and well frankly he does seem like he could be the obsessive type lol.

[astolpho]

I don't know. How many people here have actually been out in the wild before, and seen how light plays through the trees. On a bright day, it can seem like the light is scattering weird to anyone, especially if they are not used to the outdoors.

While I concede that there could be posibilities of light scattering weird, I think the more obvious answer is that Faraday simily is not used to outdoor life, he is a desk junky scientest used to florecent lighting, and he is amazed at the play of light on the forest floor. I think the writers are using this comment not necessarily to show strange light properties on the island, but to further hammer in the strangeness of the four newcommers, and how Daniel is extremely ill equiped for a expedition into the wilds.

[james220]

Anybody think Daniel might be faking his ineptitude? He moved expertly and precisely when he heard Jack and Kate coming through the woods. He seemed very familiar with handling the gun.

[Dzbabykel]

I don't know. How many people here have actually been out in the wild before, and seen how light plays through the trees. On a bright day, it can seem like the light is scattering weird to anyone, especially if they are not used to the outdoors.

While I concede that there could be posibilities of light scattering weird, I think the more obvious answer is that Faraday simily is not used to outdoor life, he is a desk junky scientest used to florecent lighting, and he is amazed at the play of light on the forest floor. I think the writers are using this comment not necessarily to show strange light properties on the island, but to further hammer in the strangeness of the four newcommers, and how Daniel is extremely ill equiped for a expedition into the wilds.

I agree but the thing is, this show doesn't say random things for no good reason....they throw things out there for a purpose so thats why I think the lighting on the island DOES have some sort of significance....especially since we know that light/dark themes have been seen throughout. That may have absolutely nothing to do with Dan's statement, but who knows?

[astolpho]

Thats true of most TV shows, or books for that matter, where time is money you tend not to say non-important things. However, I just cant believe that if the light "plays" weird on the island, not one of the 815ers would have noticed it... I think it has to do more with a link about Daniel than about the Island.

Another possibility is that Daniel is Schytzophrenic. (Not sure on spelling, sorry.) Distorted perception of reality is often associated with the desiese, and it would be very John Nash of him. It would also handily explain Naomi's comment about him being a head case, and quite possibly, his reactions to the news of 815 going down.

Just a thought.

[Dzbabykel]

No I agree Dan is probably a Schizophrenic possibly....hmm maybe Hurley will recognize him from the Asylum lol.

[bunnydixon]

No I agree Dan is probably a Schizophrenic possibly....hmm maybe Hurley will recognize him from the Asylum lol.


you could well be right!

[maryb]

you could well be right!

Does anyone think Daniel looks alot like Paolo?? Maybe that is why he was crying when he heard of the discovery??? Maybe they are connected????

[Ladihawke]

No I agree Dan is probably a Schizophrenic possibly....hmm maybe Hurley will recognize him from the Asylum lol.

Speaking of that, maybe someone can help me with a question I have had since season 2 when Hurley was seeing his friend in the bathrobe and was becoming closer to Libby. At the end of one of those segments, the camera went to the asylum where Hurley had been before the crash and showed he and the bathrobe guy, then it went to the corner of the room and focused to a woman sitting in the corner with her head down. At the end she raised her head and the woman was Libby! Was I just seeing things or was that what I really saw?

[thelawgiver]

That was Libby

[bunnydixon]

yep defo libby but nobody knows why!

[thelawgiver]

Oh and I like the way the light reflects off of Dz;)

[Ezekiel 25:17]

OOO, looks like law's got a crush on Dz! See, this place really is like the island, we've got cons and pervs and romance and everything, not to mention that 1 thread where ridiculously coincidental things happen, weird!

[killerxmanatee]

Maybe the island isnt even on the ground *hint electromagnetic* that is why the light doesnt sactter right. the code that you had to type in maybe that kept the island sablilized or something onlong the lines of that.

[LOST-IT]

I agree, I think the light travel has something to do with the electromagnetism of the island. This was apparent when it took 31 minutes for the freighter to send the probe thing with the timer in it. The time on the freighter and time on the island are different. Also at the end Daniel stressed for the pilot guy...whatever his name is... to stay on the same exact course when returning to the freighter. Almost as if venturing ofcourse would cause an accident...

Any thoughts on that?

[missjulie]

My head cannot handle the vastness of this show.

http://einstein.stanford.edu/content/faqs/gpa_vessot.html

I was looking for something on time travel when I found this article... here, I'll quote the good part...

"A further and more crucial test of the equivalence principle is to see if light waves are also affected equally by gravity and mechanical acceleration."

Go!

[nirvonyx]

Thats true of most TV shows, or books for that matter, where time is money you tend not to say non-important things. However, I just cant believe that if the light "plays" weird on the island, not one of the 815ers would have noticed it... I think it has to do more with a link about Daniel than about the Island.

Another possibility is that Daniel is Schytzophrenic. (Not sure on spelling, sorry.) Distorted perception of reality is often associated with the desiese, and it would be very John Nash of him. It would also handily explain Naomi's comment about him being a head case, and quite possibly, his reactions to the news of 815 going down.

Just a thought.

i like the cut of your jib. after watching the enhanced version of "confirmed dead," we know that in faraday's introductory scene, the woman is not his wife or relative, but a "caretaker."

apologies for the late reply.

[a1sacch]

Speaking of that, maybe someone can help me with a question I have had since season 2 when Hurley was seeing his friend in the bathrobe and was becoming closer to Libby. At the end of one of those segments, the camera went to the asylum where Hurley had been before the crash and showed he and the bathrobe guy, then it went to the corner of the room and focused to a woman sitting in the corner with her head down. At the end she raised her head and the woman was Libby! Was I just seeing things or was that what I really saw?

So, I know this has already been resolved and that it is Libby. But...seriously, that is my favorite lost enigma. If at the end of the day, if those only give us the reason she was there,etc and don't give any other answers, I'd be ok with that.
Well, not really. But they NEVER EVER EVER even hinted about that again. And I need to know! And she is connected to the island in so many ways. Her boat was what got Desmond to the island in the first place.

[missjulie]

I really wish/hope the Libby thread continues again. Being in the institution.. the boat... C'MON!

[nirvonyx]

i second (third?) these comments. i wish libby didn't so suddenly disappear. maybe the actress herself ran into some problems and couldn't continue with the series. it does seem like an influential role was quite suddenly written out.

[missjulie]

Oooo she's credited for an episode this season. Maybe all our questions will be answered!! HAha... that was a funny.

[The Stepfather]

it's being bent?

How/Why is it being bent? Possibly due to the strong electromagnetic influence on the Island?

It's worth noting that Bending light (or any electromagnetic signal that travels at the Speed Of Light) does not change it's speed. Here's a story worth telling and maybe it will shed some light (no pun intended) on all this.

Albert Einstein predicted that stars we see in the sky are NOT actually where we see them. HUH? Yep. They are positioned somewhere else and the Sun is so massive and it's gravitational pull so strong that space around it is kinda warped.:eek:

(imagine a bowling ball on your bed. then press down next to it and the ball rolls your way. Think of the bowling ball as light or a planet or a huge object and think of your hand as the space that is influencing or 'warping' the bed).

A.E. knew this not from observing the sky or anything like that. He simply believed his Theory of Relativity to be 'all that'. So, to the dismay of other scientist (as well as his critics - true haters), Einstein went to sleep when the world was experiencing a huge Eclipse, saying he already knew that the stars we observe will be positioned differently when the Sun is ecplised.

He woke up the next day and saw it in the papers. The stars didn;t move. it was the LIGHT was was being influenced upon and that gives us the impression that the stars are where they are not.

On a crazier (yet completely possible) tangent, if the electromagnetic forces were stronger than the light, then you wouldn't even see the stars. So when I look at you I am seeing the light from you makes it's way to me (which appears to happen simultaneously but it can actually be calculated). If you were, say, 372,000 miles from me and we were in the dark and i turned a flashlight on, it would take 2 seconds for me to see you. (1 second for the light to travel to you, and another for YOUR imagine to travel back to me).

Now, if there was a force that was so strong that light was not able to travel (due to the gravitational pull) away from you, I would NEVER be able to observe you VISUALLY, although I could probably observe the EFFECTS of your presence. this is kinda the basic principles of Black Holes (escape velocity exceeds the speed of light, thus, light can not escape).

Ok, so this was a WAY-ROUNDABOUT-WAY of saying that, "The Light is Weird" because the scientific man-mad forces on the Island are influencing the light.

The scary thing (and i think what will be intriguing) is when people OFF the Island communicate with people ON the Island and it becomes appearent there is a real and true observable TIME DIFFERENCE.

I also believe the Losties are NOT supposed to be rescued and the Freighters are NOT there to rescue them. That's why Naomi was shocked to hear there were survivors. Is it possible that, in ONE POSSIBLE REALITY, the plane was never found. And in another POSSIBLE REALITY, the plane crashes and kills everyone?

It sounds nutty i know.

[Robo42]

I absolutely agree SF and incredibly well put. Let me ask you this. I believe it would take an immense electromagnetic force to bend the light. Wouldn't a human being have to be physically affected or sense this force in a dramatic fashion, ie. affect the motion of electrons and molecules in one's body? what are your thoughts?

[The Stepfather]

That's a good point, Robo24. Sorry i'm so late on this post. Maybe the electrons in their bodies ARE being physically affected? If in fact 3 years have gone by (by that i mean the earth has made 3 trips around the sun) and yet their bodies have only experienced about 100 days (100 sunsets/100 sunrises), then they, in a sense, are physically affected i would think.

Everything seems normal to them because they have no point of reference to measure against. Until the freighter sent a payload and the Freighter's GPS acknowledged the payload's arrival. The GPS was correct but so was the Island's clock. Both are correct.