Here We Go Again????

[notsolost42]

I've been thinking about some of those pictures from the shooting of the next season in the promo's and have a few thoughts.
Okay first, there is a photo of what may be Juliet's blonde lockes handing down and a hand touching the glass window of a hatch door burried beneigth the dirt.
There is a photo of someone in a yellow hazmat suit holding a gun at, I believe, Daniel.
There is a photo of Jack with one black eye and one white eye.
I am sure there are more but don't they kind of sound familiar?
After rewatching the same darn episodes again and again, something occured to me. Jack was told that everything changed when the 06 left and everything went bad by Ben.
Well, those photos sound like events that have already occured on the island but without the 06 and Locke, Michael, Walt, Desmond and Ben and those that died, the events happened to different people that were there "now." For instance, the first photo of the blonde hair and the hatch window. It was very reminescent of when Locke and Boone discovered the Swan in season 1. Except, Locke and Boone are apparently dead or at lease Boone and Locke has left the island. The other photo of someone in a hazmat suit and Daniel, well, Kelvin and Desmond come to mind. But Desmond is gone and Kelvin is dead but Daniel is there with someone else. And the example of Jack with those crazy eyes. That was how Claire dreamed of Locke. But again, maybe no Locke.
So, I'm not 100% sure of this but is does seem to form a pattern here. Suppose the island has now gone full circle after Ben turned the wheel and everything is starting over again. The problem is that there are several people that made certain events occur and have a certain outcome missing from the picture. So, either other people that are there now have to "perform these tasks" or they don't happen. And maybe the outcome is different. That's why Ben told Jack they have to go back...all of them. The sequence of events has begun again, maybe all the way back to the DI in the 60's. Things will turn out completely different if eveyone who was there is no longer there. The new "castaways" including Charlotte, Daniel, Miles, etc. have to fill the shoes of the members who are off island. And without Des to use the failsafe key, what do you think may happen? Could this be what causes the great volcanic event TPTB talk about? Who is manning the computer instead of Radzinski and Kelvin if it all starts again, Daniel? Perhaps even, that strange logo we saw is for an airline that will take the place of Oceanic in a crash?
In the end, if this is true or close to it, after the 06 and all return, will someone have to turn the wheel to make it all begin again with the right people on the island? Could that someone be Charles Widmore? He has been banished and cannot return. Think about this folks. Let me know what you think.

[LockeUp]

There's also a preview where Locke is on the ground and a man is going towards him pointing a gun at him. And that man is Ethan. Weird huh?

[notsolost42]

There's also a preview where Locke is on the ground and a man is going towards him pointing a gun at him. And that man is Ethan. Weird huh?

That was like when Ethan was going for Jack, right? When they had that big knock down drag out fight in the rain on a muddy hillside. There maybe a flaw to my thoughts. If the dead do come back, like Ethan, then not everything would change. But, if the people that aren't there anymore just aren't there like they never were, then it still changes a bunch of stuff. Unless, just DI come back....IDK!!! LOL!!!
I've seen pictures of Locke having been shot. He's leaning against some black rocks, no pun intended. I would guess then that it was Ethan that shot him? I think they were in the dark territory by the looks of the background.

I found another one in the #3 ABC promo. I think it looks like Miles and he is definitely hung by the neck from a tree. It reminded me of Charlie being hung.
Also, there's one of Locke climbing those crazy looking roots to the top of a hill. It reminded me of when Eko climbed up by the ? and found Yemi. Except, Locke falls off like when his Anthony Cooper pushed him from the window. I guess if he wasn't there to be pushed out the window, the universe may have course corrected and he fell from that instead.
Very interesting.

[Jaystar™]

When Daniel gets the Shotgun holded to his head. I thought that was Kelvin, like inside the Flashback of Desmond's where he follows Kelvin outside.

[notsolost42]

When Daniel gets the Shotgun holded to his head. I thought that was Kelvin, like inside the Flashback of Desmond's where he follows Kelvin outside.

It may have been. I just can't figure out yet what happens if you're dead. Do you come back to life, like someone said Ethan was in a photo, or not. I guess if you died on the island maybe you do because your life would reset like the island does.

[Jaystar™]

It may have been. I just can't figure out yet what happens if you're dead. Do you come back to life, like someone said Ethan was in a photo, or not. I guess if you died on the island maybe you do because your life would reset like the island does.

I haven't seen all the Photo's yet do you have a Link? Also maybe when Ben Moved the Island that's what made it Reset. And whatever happened to Mikhail?

[notsolost42]

I haven't seen all the Photo's yet do you have a Link? Also maybe when Ben Moved the Island that's what made it Reset. And whatever happened to Mikhail?

Yes, when Ben moved turned the wheel it moved the island in spacetime and reset the island. The people that were no longer there, the 06, Michael, Walt, etc. were replaced by the ones left behind to do the same things. There will be different outcomes because different people are doing it. I think Mikhail is supposed to be dead, though I'll never believe that one. He supposedly died when he blew Charlie up. As for the photos, I just watched all of the trailers and promos and went frame by frame. Once again, no surprise, there are some hidden photos in them. Not unusual for TPTB to do that.

[ortrules]

It may have been. I just can't figure out yet what happens if you're dead. Do you come back to life, like someone said Ethan was in a photo, or not. I guess if you died on the island maybe you do because your life would reset like the island does.

I don't think they will go for this "resurrection" plot. Maybe it's a combination of the multiple timelines/dimension you always talk about. Maybe Ethan isn't really alive, in the traditional sense, but more of a spirit from another dimension. Maybe when the island moves it merges two dimensions into one. Maybe he's now one of these "walking dead" types like Christian. Maybe that's also what happened to Charlie when we saw him talking to Hurley at the mental hospital. And maybe Jacob has gone through so many "moves" that it's left him in the state he is - like your physical body can only go through it so many times.

[notsolost42]

I don't think they will go for this "resurrection" plot. Maybe it's a combination of the multiple timelines/dimension you always talk about. Maybe Ethan isn't really alive, in the traditional sense, but more of a spirit from another dimension. Maybe when the island moves it merges two dimensions into one. Maybe he's now one of these "walking dead" types like Christian. Maybe that's also what happened to Charlie when we saw him talking to Hurley at the mental hospital. And maybe Jacob has gone through so many "moves" that it's left him in the state he is - like your physical body can only go through it so many times.

Ort, I think that the island has gone full circle by turning the wheel and is back to either DI time or before. The 06 not being on the island are being replaced with those left behind for the things that they did, which means there will be different outcomes. Everyone thinks differently and approaches a problem differently. I guess if you died on the island when it reset then you would be alive again but feel pretty sure you will die eventually. You know, that universe course correction thing. Just like what I said about the scene of Locke falling from those big tree roots he was climbing. It looked just like when Anthony Cooper pushed him out the window. He had to break his back...course correction. We'll see. But in all of the promos you can clearly see those that have died on the island like Charlie, Ethan, etc. So....I'm thinking that Ben reset the island this time and can't go back without them all because it would really mess up the cosmos. And maybe, just maybe it was Charles Widmore that turned the wheel last time and that's why he can't go back. It must be too late for him unless....we just might see him on the island this time around!!!

[Jaystar™]

Yes, when Ben moved turned the wheel it moved the island in spacetime and reset the island. The people that were no longer there, the 06, Michael, Walt, etc. were replaced by the ones left behind to do the same things. There will be different outcomes because different people are doing it. I think Mikhail is supposed to be dead, though I'll never believe that one. He supposedly died when he blew Charlie up. As for the photos, I just watched all of the trailers and promos and went frame by frame. Once again, no surprise, there are some hidden photos in them. Not unusual for TPTB to do that.


Thanks looks like I'll be doing that on Youtube later, what Video was it? Also Mikhail couldn't have died when he threw the Grenade because he had Driving Gear. And Desmond survived.

[notsolost42]

Thanks looks like I'll be doing that on Youtube later, what Video was it? Also Mikhail couldn't have died when he threw the Grenade because he had Driving Gear. And Desmond survived.

Mikhail will never die!! LOL!! I watched all the promos I could find that were real. I think about 10. And there were a few trailers, too. Most of it just repeats itself but there are some hidden frames. I just found two today that I'm trying to figure out. They go together. One is of what looks like some old, dirt covered barrel looking thing laying on the ground shooting out a flame. It's a big, long and very bright frame. The other picture is two people running. It looks like it may be Daniel and Charlotte. I think there is a third person in the background. And from the right side of the picture you see this big bright flame shooting straight out and up. They look like they are in a cave or something. I'm thinking maybe the ice caves.
Good luck on your search.

[Jaystar™]

Just found quite a few Pictures on the Promo for Season 5 with The Fray Music playing.

One had Miles jumping from Smokie, and then some Symbol pop up. A other was with Daniel and Charlotte on the florr and people coming to them with guns. Who looked Indian. And then there was Juliet inside the Jungle looking frightened like she could hear Voices holding a AK47!

[ortrules]

Ort, I think that the island has gone full circle by turning the wheel and is back to either DI time or before. The 06 not being on the island are being replaced with those left behind for the things that they did, which means there will be different outcomes. Everyone thinks differently and approaches a problem differently. I guess if you died on the island when it reset then you would be alive again but feel pretty sure you will die eventually. You know, that universe course correction thing. Just like what I said about the scene of Locke falling from those big tree roots he was climbing. It looked just like when Anthony Cooper pushed him out the window. He had to break his back...course correction. We'll see. But in all of the promos you can clearly see those that have died on the island like Charlie, Ethan, etc. So....I'm thinking that Ben reset the island this time and can't go back without them all because it would really mess up the cosmos. And maybe, just maybe it was Charles Widmore that turned the wheel last time and that's why he can't go back. It must be too late for him unless....we just might see him on the island this time around!!!

Still not sold. I don't think course correction works this way. For instance, Locke breaking his back was the universes way of getting him to the island. (He breaks his back, Abbadon gets to him in the hospital and tells him about the walkabout, John goes to walkabout and crashes on the island on the return flight) If he's already on the island, why does the universe have him break his back again? If he has taken over for Ben as the leader, then Locke should experience the things Ben did.

For course correction to apply it would have to be like this: Oceanic Flight 815 survivors experience life on the island. The island moves back in time and all survivors still on the island (dead and alive) now become Dharma or Others. 15 years later, another plane crashes on the island and those who survive experience the same things the Flight 815 survivors did.

[Jaystar™]

Ok guys you really need to see this video. The amount of hidden Pictures in this is amazing.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mX7md0HoR8E

[notsolost42]

Still not sold. I don't think course correction works this way. For instance, Locke breaking his back was the universes way of getting him to the island. (He breaks his back, Abbadon gets to him in the hospital and tells him about the walkabout, John goes to walkabout and crashes on the island on the return flight) If he's already on the island, why does the universe have him break his back again? If he has taken over for Ben as the leader, then Locke should experience the things Ben did.

For course correction to apply it would have to be like this: Oceanic Flight 815 survivors experience life on the island. The island moves back in time and all survivors still on the island (dead and alive) now become Dharma or Others. 15 years later, another plane crashes on the island and those who survive experience the same things the Flight 815 survivors did.

Ort, you may very well be right. But, I don't think so. LOL!!! Listen, Anthony Cooper pushed John Locke out of his apartment window causing him to fall several stories and break his back, right? Okay, did you see the pix with Locke climbing some big narly tree roots, they looked like the ones Eko climbed by ?, and then falling off? The fall looked just like it did when he fell from the window. Why would he still have to break his back? I can't say. Did it happen that way because of course correction? I think so. Also, you may be partially right about something you just said. About the new plane that would crash. Remember that really strange logo that popped up in one single frame? Perhaps it was from an airline company....

[Jaystar™]

Ort, you may very well be right. But, I don't think so. LOL!!! Listen, Anthony Cooper pushed John Locke out of his apartment window causing him to fall several stories and break his back, right? Okay, did you see the pix with Locke climbing some big narly tree roots, they looked like the ones Eko climbed by ?, and then falling off? The fall looked just like it did when he fell from the window. Why would he still have to break his back? I can't say. Did it happen that way because of course correction? I think so. Also, you may be partially right about something you just said. About the new plane that would crash. Remember that really strange logo that popped up in one single frame? Perhaps it was from an airline company....

Yeah it was a African Airline I think! Also I could have sworn I seen when Ben used the Mirror to contact his people. I think I seen John doing the same thing with Juliet on a Hilltop! And what's with the Beach being raided by Flaming Sticks?

[Archangel-Player]

Now that we have seen the island "Moved" It seemed it either did two things to me. One it timed travled or Two it whent to another dimention of some sorts. I think that what we have known to be the walking dead Ex. Jack's dad. That they whern't walking dead or reancarnations, but rather the same person riped from another dimention and they can't yet tell them that "hey im from a not so distant future or a reality that has yet begun and if you don't change things or "help me" this will become your world. I think Jacob just might ,out on a limb, far streched, etc might be Locke from a reailty where Locke didn't die. But yet this Locke knows of the events that will take place. Im thinking Jacob has to be someone we know or seen but yet a differnt verson of that person. why else keep his Id a secret or not let us see him yet,If he wasn't someone we knew. It makes sense though if you think about it. If Locke was Jacob it makes sense why he would want to choose Locke as the chosen one. Perhaps Jacob wasn't part of the orignal time line that the Jacob Ben folows or clams to folow is someone we know changing time for the better of the island this time around. The only thing that kinda debunks that theiory is Jacob's ability to not be seen or use what seems to be the power to create illussions. No one has displayed this power other then Smokie.

[notsolost42]

Ok guys you really need to see this video. The amount of hidden Pictures in this is amazing.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mX7md0HoR8E

That was very good! I had seen it but didn't go through it as careful as I just did! Did you see the photo of Locke laying in the tall grasses like Jack did on the first opening scene after the crash in season 1? But no black baton or flashlight or whatever it was next to him! Or Locke finding a sneaker...but it was blue and white? Same events....different people!
Ort....I'm telling you my child.....check it out!!!
Thanks Jaystar!!! If you can capture any of the pictures and add them to this thread that would be amazing! I don't know how to do that! Lot's of stuff, lots and lots!!!!

[ortrules]

Ort, you may very well be right. But, I don't think so. LOL!!! Listen, Anthony Cooper pushed John Locke out of his apartment window causing him to fall several stories and break his back, right? Okay, did you see the pix with Locke climbing some big narly tree roots, they looked like the ones Eko climbed by ?, and then falling off? The fall looked just like it did when he fell from the window. Why would he still have to break his back? I can't say. Did it happen that way because of course correction? I think so. Also, you may be partially right about something you just said. About the new plane that would crash. Remember that really strange logo that popped up in one single frame? Perhaps it was from an airline company....

I don't doubt there's a similarity between Locke's falls. But if course correction is happening and Locke has to fall and break his back, that wouldn't happen for at least another 10 years or so. Let's just say the island went back to 1980. Locke becomes paralyzed sometime in the late 90s or 2000 so unless this season encompasses 20 years time, that won't happen for a while. And if Locke is just shy of 50 years-old, jumps 20 years back in time and goes through 20 more years, he shouldn't be doing any kind of extreme climbing.

Besides that, every survivor of flight 815 would then have to go through a plane crash again - and why would so many do that if they're already on the island?

Again, I don't doubt the similarities of these points you're bringing up, and you could very well be right. But I just don't see it happening.

[Jaystar™]

That was very good! I had seen it but didn't go through it as careful as I just did! Did you see the photo of Locke laying in the tall grasses like Jack did on the first opening scene after the crash in season 1? But no black baton or flashlight or whatever it was next to him! Or Locke finding a sneaker...but it was blue and white? Same events....different people!
Ort....I'm telling you my child.....check it out!!!
Thanks Jaystar!!! If you can capture any of the pictures and add them to this thread that would be amazing! I don't know how to do that! Lot's of stuff, lots and lots!!!!

Yeah I've just gone through it for my 3rd time! Unfortunetly I don't know how to Capture the Pictures. But I'm sure someone else on this Forum does! I'll post more if I find some more Hidden Pictures. Still haven't found Ethan yet!:(

[ortrules]

That was very good! I had seen it but didn't go through it as careful as I just did! Did you see the photo of Locke laying in the tall grasses like Jack did on the first opening scene after the crash in season 1? But no black baton or flashlight or whatever it was next to him! Or Locke finding a sneaker...but it was blue and white? Same events....different people!
Ort....I'm telling you my child.....check it out!!!
Thanks Jaystar!!! If you can capture any of the pictures and add them to this thread that would be amazing! I don't know how to do that! Lot's of stuff, lots and lots!!!!

Saw it. I noticed Locke laying in the grass and the sneaker thing. Just think they're coincidences - this show often repeats things over and over (eye close ups, the similarity between Jack in the grass and Ben in the desert, etc)

[notsolost42]

Now that we have seen the island "Moved" It seemed it either did two things to me. One it timed travled or Two it whent to another dimention of some sorts. I think that what we have known to be the walking dead Ex. Jack's dad. That they whern't walking dead or reancarnations, but rather the same person riped from another dimention and they can't yet tell them that "hey im from a not so distant future or a reality that has yet begun and if you don't change things or "help me" this will become your world. I think Jacob just might ,out on a limb, far streched, etc might be Locke from a reailty where Locke didn't die. But yet this Locke knows of the events that will take place. Im thinking Jacob has to be someone we know or seen but yet a differnt verson of that person. why else keep his Id a secret or not let us see him yet,If he wasn't someone we knew. It makes sense though if you think about it. If Locke was Jacob it makes sense why he would want to choose Locke as the chosen one. Perhaps Jacob wasn't part of the orignal time line that the Jacob Ben folows or clams to folow is someone we know changing time for the better of the island this time around. The only thing that kinda debunks that theiory is Jacob's ability to not be seen or use what seems to be the power to create illussions. No one has displayed this power other then Smokie.

You know, you just said something absolutely BRILLIANT!!!!! If the island reset in time, then you know what, Christian would be alive. He was on the island in some form or another when 815 crashed. I've always thought and said that he became alive again because they crashed through this spacetime rip. But,if the island is catching up to itself, he would be alive. Does anyone else understand what I am trying to say?
As for Jacob, I thought we saw him in the rocking chair. You know, in the picture of a group of people on the beach, it really looks like it could be Jacob standing there with them. I posted that before.
You are right about Locke. He does know what's going to happen. I just rewatched an old epi. It was the one where Locke tricks Boone and puts that paste on his head and Boone gets all 60's. Well, just a few scenes before he does it, when Locke is mixing it up, Boone asks what he's doing. Locke tells him he's making something he'll need later. Well, it's later that Locke wacks Boone in the back of the head and then puts the stuff on it. Was it all planned? Or did Locke know.

[Jaystar™]

You know, you just said something absolutely BRILLIANT!!!!! If the island reset in time, then you know what, Christian would be alive. He was on the island in some form or another when 815 crashed. I've always thought and said that he became alive again because they crashed through this spacetime rip. But,if the island is catching up to itself, he would be alive. Does anyone else understand what I am trying to say?
As for Jacob, I thought we saw him in the rocking chair. You know, in the picture of a group of people on the beach, it really looks like it could be Jacob standing there with them. I posted that before.
You are right about Locke. He does know what's going to happen. I just rewatched an old epi. It was the one where Locke tricks Boone and puts that paste on his head and Boone gets all 60's. Well, just a few scenes before he does it, when Locke is mixing it up, Boone asks what he's doing. Locke tells him he's making something he'll need later. Well, it's later that Locke wacks Boone in the back of the head and then puts the stuff on it. Was it all planned? Or did Locke know.



Also in "The Moth" Episode of Season 1, before the Cave falls John shows Charlie a Moth. And it's the same Moth what helped Charlie find his way out of the Cave, so yes John must know what is going to happen!

[notsolost42]

Saw it. I noticed Locke laying in the grass and the sneaker thing. Just think they're coincidences - this show often repeats things over and over (eye close ups, the similarity between Jack in the grass and Ben in the desert, etc)

Okay Ort, you are right. Last night on Sci-Fi they happened to air the show from season 3 where Locke was laying in the grass. That's where it came from. It was where he "landed" after the hatch blew. As for the blue sneaker, well, that's new I believe. Score one for each of us! LOL!!!

[Jaystar™]

Okay Ort, you are right. Last night on Sci-Fi they happened to air the show from season 3 where Locke was laying in the grass. That's where it came from. It was where he "landed" after the hatch blew. As for the blue sneaker, well, that's new I believe. Score one for each of us! LOL!!!

Oh I forgot about that, also watching Season 1 again. I noticed that Jack's dad told Vincent to go and wake him up, because he has "Work to do!"

[ortrules]

Okay Ort, you are right. Last night on Sci-Fi they happened to air the show from season 3 where Locke was laying in the grass. That's where it came from. It was where he "landed" after the hatch blew. As for the blue sneaker, well, that's new I believe. Score one for each of us! LOL!!!

Win some. Lose some.

When I saw the shoe in one of the videos, my immediate thought was to connect it to the shoe in the pilot episode. The blue color (was it part of the shoe or in addition to the shoe?) throws it off a bit, but I was thinking maybe the shoe Locke finds is the second half of the pairing. Again, it would be another way for the show to reference and connect the origins.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

I noticed that Jack's dad told Vincent to go and wake him up, because he has "Work to do!"


That was a great extra scene that adds so much to the show. I hope that Vincent ends up having a part in how things play out. I honestly think that Vincent has been being used by the island to lead and direct how things come together. The scene with Christian and Vincent proves that the island can communicate with animals too. Vincent started everything off by getting Jack, has a connection to Walt, has led a number of the survivors into situations that get them in trouble with the island, led them to the VW van, knew the exact way to run to Jack and the rest when he had Charlottes GPS, and a number of other things.
I can't wait to see Vincent and Walt reunite next season. You know that they're gonna do a great job in editing making that one emotional.

[Jaystar™]

That was a great extra scene that adds so much to the show. I hope that Vincent ends up having a part in how things play out. I honestly think that Vincent has been being used by the island to lead and direct how things come together. The scene with Christian and Vincent proves that the island can communicate with animals too. Vincent started everything off by getting Jack, has a connection to Walt, has led a number of the survivors into situations that get them in trouble with the island, led them to the VW van, knew the exact way to run to Jack and the rest when he had Charlottes GPS, and a number of other things.
I can't wait to see Vincent and Walt reunite next season. You know that they're gonna do a great job in editing making that one emotional.


Your right, but when I seen Christian talk to Vincent, I thought Vincent might have died from the Crash. And that is the Spirit of him. Because he seems to know more of what's going on than a normal dog!

[5starboss]

Saw it. I noticed Locke laying in the grass and the sneaker thing. Just think they're coincidences - this show often repeats things over and over (eye close ups, the similarity between Jack in the grass and Ben in the desert, etc)

The simplest answer is often the correct one. This sounds spot on to me. Also, do we know Locke's back is broken again or is this specualtion....I thought the Island was keeping Locke alive the 1st time. Kinda like Michael.

[notsolost42]

The simplest answer is often the correct one. This sounds spot on to me. Also, do we know Locke's back is broken again or is this specualtion....I thought the Island was keeping Locke alive the 1st time. Kinda like Michael.

Occam's Razor, very good Starboss. "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."
No, factually we do not know if Locke broke his back on the fall I mentioned. But, in just watching it, it was very similar to the fall from Anthony Cooper's window. I went out on a limb (no pun intended) to say what I did.

[Jaystar™]

Occam's Razor, very good Starboss. "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."
No, factually we do not know if Locke broke his back on the fall I mentioned. But, in just watching it, it was very similar to the fall from Anthony Cooper's window. I went out on a limb (no pun intended) to say what I did.

Maybe that's just how John always falls?

[notsolost42]

Maybe that's just how John always falls?

Good one!!!:D