Maybe John Is Jacob!

[Jaystar™]

Sorry if this has already been discussed. But like someone pointed out inside a other Thread, John seems to know what is going to happen.


Like in the Episode "The Moth" from Season 1, where John shows Charlie a Moth. Then when Charlie and Jack are trapped inside the Cave it's the Moth what shows Charlie the way out. And also inside Season 1 where John makes a Whistle and then Vincent comes out of the Jungle.

And when John makes the Glue what he puts on Booms head, he says he is going to need it later.

[krakup]

maybe, he certainly is a candidate in my book

[notsolost42]

I tell you something I noticed last night while watching reruns. I don't think that John is Jacob. But I do think that the smoke monster and the polar bears are connected. I thing that the smoke monster is a being or something. John refered to the smoke monster as "them." Strange?????

[Monkey-Hands]

John refered to the smoke monster as "them." Strange?????

Which season/episode??

[Jaystar™]

I guess I'll look out for that while I go through the Episodes again. But John does seem to know what is going to happen!

[ortrules]

I guess I'll look out for that while I go through the Episodes again. But John does seem to know what is going to happen!

I would strongly disagree with this. Locke has proven to be completely clueless about so many things happening on the island.

I will say though, that if time travel really comes into play then there's no reason Locke can't eventually come to learn everything there is to know. But I don't think he's nearly to that point yet.

[notsolost42]

I would strongly disagree with this. Locke has proven to be completely clueless about so many things happening on the island.

I will say though, that if time travel really comes into play then there's no reason Locke can't eventually come to learn everything there is to know. But I don't think he's nearly to that point yet.

Ort, what do you mean IF time travel comes into play???? Hasn't that already been firmly established?
Regarding Locke, in the show that told some more of his background story, when he was set up by the cops for that communal drug grow farm, he was chosen (their words) because he was maliable and was not a killer. In other words, they picked him to set up because they could manipulate him and they knew he would not retaliate against their undercover officer (the hitch-hiker he had picked up). John has been chosen before and I think this time was for the same reasons! Ben chose John because he knew that his test would be to kill his father and he knew that he would not be ablt to do it. Didn't Ben look surprised when Locke carried him back in that duffle over his shoulder? Locke is operating on some level with a knowedge of the island powers. It's just that Locke is not too smart and that's what gets in his way. He doesn't quite know what he knows.
Regardless, he said something to the effect of the smoke monster being "them." I think the smoke monster, the polar bears, and all of the sightings like Yemi, the black horse, etc. are manifistations of the same thing. I wonder if Jacob is included in that bunch as well!?!?!?!

[ortrules]

Ort, what do you mean IF time travel comes into play???? Hasn't that already been firmly established?

Has it? The only think I know for certain is that the island moved and Ben jumped into the future. But no where, as of yet, have we confirmed the ability for people to manipulate time and space. If time travel is solely dependent on moving the wheel - then it's not much of an issue aside from the fact that they've moved back or forward in time. But if, for instance, people like Richard can time travel at will, then it's a whole other story.

[notsolost42]

Has it? The only think I know for certain is that the island moved and Ben jumped into the future. But no where, as of yet, have we confirmed the ability for people to manipulate time and space. If time travel is solely dependent on moving the wheel - then it's not much of an issue aside from the fact that they've moved back or forward in time. But if, for instance, people like Richard can time travel at will, then it's a whole other story.

Gee Ort, if Ben jumping into the future isn't time travel then I don't know what is! Not to mention the Kerr Metric and Einstein's Field Theory. Those are the things that Pierre Cheng mentioned in that video as well as the Kerr Metric was what Daniel Faraday had on his chaulk board in the background at Oxford in 1976. He was also working on his invention for time travel, too. Remember Eloise? Also, don't forget that TPTB have said on numerous occasions that the island has its own time thing. So, all in all, I would say at this point time travel is a given.

[ortrules]

Gee Ort, if Ben jumping into the future isn't time travel then I don't know what is! Not to mention the Kerr Metric and Einstein's Field Theory. Those are the things that Pierre Cheng mentioned in that video as well as the Kerr Metric was what Daniel Faraday had on his chaulk board in the background at Oxford in 1976. He was also working on his invention for time travel, too. Remember Eloise? Also, don't forget that TPTB have said on numerous occasions that the island has its own time thing. So, all in all, I would say at this point time travel is a given.

I clearly stated that Ben jumped into the future. I admit that time travel is a factor, but we do not know the extent. All we know for sure is that time travel is achieved by moving the island - we have yet to see it fully realized in other forms and under complete control.

What I'm saying is that if time travel is limited to the island moving, then it is very limited and will not be a huge factor. However, if time travel becomes controlled, then it can play a very big role. The difference between the island moving (once so far) back or forward in time is dramatically different than someone like Locke or Richard or Jacob jumping back and forth in time at will.

[notsolost42]

I clearly stated that Ben jumped into the future. I admit that time travel is a factor, but we do not know the extent. All we know for sure is that time travel is achieved by moving the island - we have yet to see it fully realized in other forms and under complete control.

What I'm saying is that if time travel is limited to the island moving, then it is very limited and will not be a huge factor. However, if time travel becomes controlled, then it can play a very big role. The difference between the island moving (once so far) back or forward in time is dramatically different than someone like Locke or Richard or Jacob jumping back and forth in time at will.

Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and find out then won't we? Personally, I can't wait! ;)

[Jaystar™]

What about what Desmond was experiencing? Doesn't that count as Time Travel, yes he went into the Past but it is still Time Travel. And maybe John started getting Dreams from the very beginning, you know like how Eko did to climb up to the Plane. Maybe the Island talked to John from the very beginning telling him to show people certain stuff?

[Brother Desmond]

What about what Desmond was experiencing? Doesn't that count as Time Travel, yes he went into the Past but it is still Time Travel.

That is true, but I think the issue being discussed here is, do people have conscious control of time traveling? Desmond's consciousness did travel to the past, but that was not a result of Desmond trying to sent it to the past, it was a result of him being exposed to high levels of electromagnetism and going off the bearing while traveling from the Island to the freighter.

[Jaystar™]

That is true, but I think the issue being discussed here is, do people have conscious control of time traveling? Desmond's consciousness did travel to the past, but that was not a result of Desmond trying to sent it to the past, it was a result of him being exposed to high levels of electromagnetism and going off the bearing while traveling from the Island to the freighter.

But you can also say that Ben didn't actually Time Travel, he just got moved to the Desert after he moved the Island!

[Brother Desmond]

But you can also say that Ben didn't actually Time Travel, he just got moved to the Desert after he moved the Island!

Ben did travel through time. He turned the wheel in late-December of 2004, and wound up in the desert in October of 2005.

[konbon]

Sorry if this has already been discussed. But like someone pointed out inside a other Thread, John seems to know what is going to happen.


Like in the Episode "The Moth" from Season 1, where John shows Charlie a Moth. Then when Charlie and Jack are trapped inside the Cave it's the Moth what shows Charlie the way out. And also inside Season 1 where John makes a Whistle and then Vincent comes out of the Jungle.

And when John makes the Glue what he puts on Booms head, he says he is going to need it later.

I think it is just a coincadence my opinion is that john locke is nothing ben or jacob is just using him as a pawn its jack that is jacob on abc's website they have missing pecies and it shows christian in the very first episode and he tells vincent to go and wake up jack and says hes got work to do but i also think locke has something to do with ben because ben says to him im sorry for what ive done witch could mean ben could have been watching him and put him in the wheel chair and made his life so ****te

[Jaystar™]

Ben did travel through time. He turned the wheel in late-December of 2004, and wound up in the desert in October of 2005.

Oh yeah, he asks the Women at the Desk. I thought he just Travelled to the Desert. And it took him along time to get back into Town. And while that was happening the O6 were getting back to there Lives.

[Jaystar™]

I think it is just a coincadence my opinion is that john locke is nothing ben or jacob is just using him as a pawn its jack that is jacob on abc's website they have missing pecies and it shows christian in the very first episode and he tells vincent to go and wake up jack and says hes got work to do but i also think locke has something to do with ben because ben says to him im sorry for what ive done witch could mean ben could have been watching him and put him in the wheel chair and made his life so ****te

What Ben means by that is for all the stuff he has done Lie for instance, Jack isn't Jacob we know his Dad knows Jacob but that's it. Also there is no way John could have guessed about all those stuff, he must have known it was going to happen!

[Archangel-Player]

Finaly at the end of season four Jack finaly woke up and started to think as he should.He was the man of science all threw the show. But this time around it would seem he will be the man of faith as Locke was. Since we realy don't know what happend to Locke or what he will be doing next season aside from spoils and such. Then we realy don't know how Locke will be. Will he still be the man of faith he was or will he be a man of broken faith as Jack was threw out the show. That would be intresting switching the roles like that. Perhaps it will be Jack who brings Locke "back from the darkside" so to speak.


I think if Time travel doese play a role in next season as I suspect. Then im thinking the Losties wan't be the only one's who know how to do this. I think a far more sinister force will also be able to do the same.

[Jaystar™]

Finaly at the end of season four Jack finaly woke up and started to think as he should.He was the man of science all threw the show. But this time around it would seem he will be the man of faith as Locke was. Since we realy don't know what happend to Locke or what he will be doing next season aside from spoils and such. Then we realy don't know how Locke will be. Will he still be the man of faith he was or will he be a man of broken faith as Jack was threw out the show. That would be intresting switching the roles like that. Perhaps it will be Jack who brings Locke "back from the darkside" so to speak.


I think if Time travel doese play a role in next season as I suspect. Then im thinking the Losties wan't be the only one's who know how to do this. I think a far more sinister force will also be able to do the same.



From what I have seen, Locke does seem to have lost his way.