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notsolost42
12-10-2008, 07:21 PM
I can't find the original thread about this video. It had the new DI station logo on it and a quote from TPTB from Ulysses. Anyway, I did some checking and wanted to share with you all.

I read about the novel Ulysses by James Joyce on Wikipedia. I think it's being tossed at us as a clue. But maybe not for the reasons you all think. The quote was thought provoking because it mentioned "hurley." Yes, interesting. The book itself brings into play all of the mythology, or at least a lot of it, that we've been trying to figure out. But here's what I read about the WAY it was written. I think that this is indeed the real clue here. As follows:

Ulysses's stream-of-consciousness technique, careful structuring, and experimental prose—full of puns, parodies, and allusions—as well as its rich characterizations and broad humour, have made the book perhaps the most highly regarded novel in the Modernist pantheon. In 1999, the Modern Library ranked Ulysses first on its list of the 100 best English-language novels of the 20th century.

I thought the mentioning of consciousness and stream of consciousness was important. I read further and found this about what stream of consciousness means:
Stream-of-consciousness writing is usually regarded as a special form of interior monologue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interior_monologue)and is characterized by associative (and at times--dissociative) leaps in syntax and punctuation that can make the prose difficult to follow, tracing a character's fragmentary thoughts and sensory feelings. Stream of consciousness and interior monologue are distinguished from dramatic monologue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_monologue), where the speaker is addressing an audience or a third person, and is used chiefly in poetry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poetry) or drama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drama). In stream of consciousness, the speaker's thought processes are more often depicted as overheard in the mind (or addressed to oneself) and is primarily a fictional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction)device. The term was first introduced to the field of literary studies from that of psychology by philosopher and psychologist William James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_James), brother of the influential writer Henry James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_James)...

So, that's what it all means. Now, get this. I found this relating to it also:

How Can You Be in Two Places at Once When You're Not Anywhere at All was the secondcomedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedy) album recorded by The Firesign Theatre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Firesign_Theatre). It was originally released in 1969 by Columbia Records (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Records).

This is a description from one side of the album...(yes album, it's old like me)

At this point, Babe notices the climate control switches, each with a themed name. He clicks "Tropical Paradise" and is suddenly transported to a tropical rainforest (complete with sounds of exotic birds and rainfall). He is then set upon by a troupe of wise-cracking explorers, including a W. C. Fields pastiche, who appear to be on a half-hearted expedition. Frustrated by the interlopers, he switches the climate control to "Land of the Pharaohs" and is suddenly transported to Egypt... along with the explorers. Increasingly annoyed, he complains that the sun is setting and it will be night soon, whereupon they stand him on his head and try to convince him that it is morning. He suddenly spots a doorway opening on the side of a pyramid ("Which one?" "The one with the ever-widening hole in it!") and runs into it, to discover a hotel lobby inside.

So, the bottom line......TPTB are playing with us!!! Again........what will our next door be???

By the way, it's a very funny bit.

notsolost42
12-10-2008, 07:48 PM
As far as the new DI station logo...the Lighthouse, I believe it is meant to be a beacon and not strictly a lighthouse.

I had posted this on the other thread so forgive me for repeating myself, but this is what I found about beacons:

Beacons help guide navigators to their destinations. Types of navigation beacon include radar reflectors, radio beacons, and sonic or visual signals. Visual beacons range from small, single-pile structures to large lighthouses or light stations and are located on land or in water.

Remember what they were building at the Hydra on the second island? A runway of somekind. So, you would need a beacon for a runway and maybe that other DI station is on the second island. It would make sense, though not much else about this show does.

Monkey-Hands
12-10-2008, 10:43 PM
Here's the link to the original thread:

http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5275

But Ulysses wasn't the only book they've mentioned. Also Stephen King's "The Stand" came into play.

Here's a theory someone made for this:

A biological weapon with 100% kill rate is released on earth and 99.4% of people die. The struggling survivors who are immune, who’s intertwining stories are told throughout the book, include an overweight high school student, a disillusioned musician, a savage and telepathic boy, a sociology professor and his dog among others.

They are drawn together by their shared dreams of a 108 year old black woman whom is seen as a representation of good on the eternal battle between good vs. evil. The woman becomes a spiritual leader, directing the survivors toward a place known as ‘the free zone’ in Colorado, where they begin to rebuild a democratic society, and much of the book shows the struggles of doing so.

Meanwhile, another group of survivors are drawn to Las Vegas by another supernatural being known as many things including ‘the dark man’ and Flagg, who represents evil in the book. Flagg’s rule is tyrannical and their group is quickly able to build a society, becoming more technically and socially advanced than the group at Colorado.

The two groups soon learn of each other and some of the free zone group head to Las Vegas to meet with them. There, Flagg’s group take some of them hostage and some are killed. Before more deaths can occur, someone arrives with a nuclear warhead and a glowing hand - the hand of God - lowers from the sky and detonates the bomb, destroying Flagg’s group and the two remaining survivors of the free zone group.

The end of the book shows the remaining survivors, including a baby who manages to fight off the deadly virus, who manage to survive illness, injury and a harsh winter. The book ends with the last of humanity asking whether mankind will be able to learn from their mistakes… to which a charcter ambiguously replies ‘I don’t know…”.

Now, doesn’t this seem a lot like the overall arching mythology of LOST, a battle between good and evil, in which a bunch of people are caught up and brought together in a twist of coincidence and fate to build a society. However, the two groups don’t get on and deaths occur. Now this is where I find it interesting, the story takes place in a post-apocalyptic world where humanity is dying. Doesn’t this sound a lot like what LOST’s Valanzetti equation is predicting? Maybe, with answers coming on LOST, we will learn that, like the book, fate, dreams, visions and higher forces (the black woman - who’s 108 I may add!! and Flagg; representing good and evil) bring these varied people together - many of which have resemblances to out characters - to start a society in a threatened world.

In the end, God himself, comes down to end the conflict - what if LOST, who’s story is rooted in science and faith, ends like this, with the ultimate battle being fought and a victory on biblical proportions occurs. Also, a baby is the last hope almost, representing a new hope for humanity and their fight against the virus - Aaron maybe!!
Have to go but my thoughts are racing!!! Please post your comments

Theory by RH

notsolost42
12-11-2008, 01:49 PM
Thanks, I'm very familiar with The Stand and most of Stephen King's works.

gingergrant
12-11-2008, 06:34 PM
I've read the Stand several times and that is interesting. The more that they say, though, the more it seems that they are really yanking our chains alot.

notsolost42
12-11-2008, 06:41 PM
I've read the Stand several times and that is interesting. The more that they say, though, the more it seems that they are really yanking our chains alot.

Exactly! I think that their reference to Ulysses was more to the trail that led to stream of consciousness because that relates to how they are trying to say people are time traveling. Furthermore, that led me to the old Fireside Theator album entitled "How you can be in two places at once without really being anywhere at all." There is a comedy cut on the album that refers to someone picking up his remote control and pressing a button and winding up in a tropical jungle and then presses another button and winds up in Egypt. To me, it means the Sahara desert. So, I agree 100%. Those red herrings appear over and over again. This is kind of one but there appears to be a clue if this is the right trail to follow!
As for The Stand, wow, what a great book and movie! Loved it many times over and over! I think that could be pointing to several ideas. We'll see.