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[navyguy]

Ok, when Richard was in John's house as a child he asked him, which of these things belong to you. Was Richard trying to get John to tap into his future consciouness? Or was this trying to show that memories and consciousness are eternal?

[Monkey-Hands]

Ok, when Richard was in John's house as a child he asked him, which of these things belong to you. Was Richard trying to get John to tap into his future consciouness? Or was this trying to show that memories and consciousness are eternal?

I thin if John would have chosen the "right" things he may have been on that island since he was a kid.

[navyguy]

I thin if John would have chosen the "right" things he may have been on that island since he was a kid.

But like Richard was asking little Locke what BELONGS TO HIM RIGHT NOW as big Locke. Could little Locke actually have chosen wrong on purpose?

He didn't ask, what belonged to you, nor did he ask what is going to belong to you, but what BELONGS to you.

[Monkey-Hands]

But like Richard was asking little Locke what BELONGS TO HIM RIGHT NOW as big Locke. Could little Locke actually have chosen wrong on purpose?

He didn't ask, what belonged to you, nor did he ask what is going to belong to you, but what BELONGS to you.

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmKcKiz05Ns

It's like Richard must know from when he WILL BE older, only before that.
OK, maybe it's like this:

As we all know Richard seems to be time traveling. What if the Richard that visited Locke as a kid comes the time where all the "bad" things happen to the island.
So he already knows what will happen.
But maybe if he could get John to pick the right things and John would come to the island as a kid all of the bad things wouldn't happen.
:confused::confused:

[krakup]

Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmKcKiz05Ns

It's like Richard must know from when he WILL BE older, only before that.
OK, maybe it's like this:

As we all know Richard seems to be time traveling. What if the Richard that visited Locke as a kid comes the time where all the "bad" things happen to the island.
So he already knows what will happen.
But maybe if he could get John to pick the right things and John would come to the island as a kid all of the bad things wouldn't happen.
:confused::confused:

great link. maybe its like richard has to wait for locke to "catch up" and they've been watching him the whole time,waiting for the right moment, thats how they know so much about the losties, they are in John's sphere of whatever it is john has to do.if its true everything has happened before then this is the time to make things right, heres hoping johnny boy

[navyguy]

Well see here is the thing. TPTB stated that "The Constant" holds the shows method of time travel. Richard is never seen as a different age. If he were to travel in the method of the show that would mean that his consciousness would be in his body of the past.

He is ANOTHER thing I just thought of thought of tho. Richard went to John a tad bit before the DHARMA days, assuming that is a 1950's setting. There is no sub, and he didn't use the F.D.W. so there is some other method of travelling off the island, which is what i believe John may have used to get off the island to bring back the O6.

[Monkey-Hands]

Well see here is the thing. TPTB stated that "The Constant" holds the shows method of time travel. Richard is never seen as a different age. If he were to travel in the method of the show that would mean that his consciousness would be in his body of the past.

He is ANOTHER thing I just thought of thought of tho. Richard went to John a tad bit before the DHARMA days, assuming that is a 1950's setting. There is no sub, and he didn't use the F.D.W. so there is some other method of travelling off the island, which is what i believe John may have used to get off the island to bring back the O6.

Someone said this before (dunno who), but what if the sub is no actual sub, but instead it's some kind of portal? As I remember when Juliet arrived on the island she was strapped down to the bed.

And the Richard that visited Locke could be from any time. I'd think it's the 2004 Richard.

[steedo79]

i think that when richard comes and talks to little john, hes done it over and over, every time what ever bad happen to kill him, and richard is going back in time and possiably different dimentions to find the right john to fix or change what ever my be the problem, i like when richard walked into the house and seen the smoky drawing on the wall and the look in his face me was suprise and maybe like he thought this could be the one, then when john picked up the knife he grab all his stuff and left angry and disapointed. or something like that any how.

[krakup]

i think that when richard comes and talks to little john, hes done it over and over, every time what ever bad happen to kill him, and richard is going back in time and possiably different dimentions to find the right john to fix or change what ever my be the problem, i like when richard walked into the house and seen the smoky drawing on the wall and the look in his face me was suprise and maybe like he thought this could be the one, then when john picked up the knife he grab all his stuff and left angry and disapointed. or something like that any how.

thats pretty much exactly how i saw it

[navyguy]

Someone said this before (dunno who), but what if the sub is no actual sub, but instead it's some kind of portal? As I remember when Juliet arrived on the island she was strapped down to the bed.

And the Richard that visited Locke could be from any time. I'd think it's the 2004 Richard.

Yea, it could be the CONSCIOUSNESS of the 2004 Richard if he were to time travel, not his physical body because he did not use the FDW.

[Jaystar™]

I think that Locke never saw Richard, as a kid. But Richard Time Travelled to when John was a kid and when he was born. So he wasn't there the first time it happened but he went back to the Past to try and get John to come to the Island!

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Monkey-Hands
Someone said this before (dunno who), but what if the sub is no actual sub, but instead it's some kind of portal? As I remember when Juliet arrived on the island she was strapped down to the bed.


I have a feeling that that's what the Beacon is going to turn out to be. Not a physical light house or electric beacon but a way to navigate through time and safely be brought back through to the island. The only purpose of the sub is for show, to trick people like Juliete, and for restocking The Looking Glass. Sure in an emergency you could use it to get off, but I just doubt that Richard is taking twenty hour sub rides when ever he wants to leave the island.

[navyguy]

I think that Locke never saw Richard, as a kid. But Richard Time Travelled to when John was a kid and when he was born. So he wasn't there the first time it happened but he went back to the Past to try and get John to come to the Island!

However that would create a paradox and TPTB said that their time travel is non-paradoxical. But like I was saying in order for Richard to time travel it would be through his past consciousness. We have seen this through Des.

We do not see Richard age, so its obvious that more than his "mind" has travelled, his physical body as well which would mean that its not time travel for him, he is just ageless.

[Archangel-Player]

i think that when richard comes and talks to little john, hes done it over and over, every time what ever bad happen to kill him, and richard is going back in time and possiably different dimentions to find the right john to fix or change what ever my be the problem, i like when richard walked into the house and seen the smoky drawing on the wall and the look in his face me was suprise and maybe like he thought this could be the one, then when john picked up the knife he grab all his stuff and left angry and disapointed. or something like that any how.
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I think you are on the right track and great post by the way. I think you are right Richard probly has gone to Locke that very day over and over to try and change things and every time he trys to use a differnt method of getting Locke to folow him. But at the same time in order for Locke to go with him. Locke must first past the test. Richard knows the correct choice. The knife is Locke's. But he wants him to pick another object so that his way of living can be changed at a young age.

[notsolost42]

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I think you are on the right track and great post by the way. I think you are right Richard probly has gone to Locke that very day over and over to try and change things and every time he trys to use a differnt method of getting Locke to folow him. But at the same time in order for Locke to go with him. Locke must first past the test. Richard knows the correct choice. The knife is Locke's. But he wants him to pick another object so that his way of living can be changed at a young age.

I'm afraid that idea is patently wrong. The entire concept of spacetime travel that has been established by TPTB has a golden rule and they have been very careful not to get caught in it. You cannot go back to the past to change what will happen in the future. Doing this can easily cause a paradox. Mrs. Hawking called it course correction by the universe. TPTB spoke about it on there season 4 comments of The Constant. So, no matter how many times Richard goes back into the past he cannot change the outcome of how John Locke will change the way he lives or who he is. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Jaystar™]

I'm afraid that idea is patently wrong. The entire concept of spacetime travel that has been established by TPTB has a golden rule and they have been very careful not to get caught in it. You cannot go back to the past to change what will happen in the future. Doing this can easily cause a paradox. Mrs. Hawking called it course correction by the universe. TPTB spoke about it on there season 4 comments of The Constant. So, no matter how many times Richard goes back into the past he cannot change the outcome of how John Locke will change the way he lives or who he is. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Not true, on one of the Videos at Comic-Con the guy who done the Videos for the Stations said, they have to go back to the Past to change the future. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Archangel-Player]

"I'm afraid that idea is patently wrong. The entire concept of spacetime travel that has been established by TPTB has a golden rule and they have been very careful not to get caught in it. You cannot go back to the past to change what will happen in the future. Doing this can easily cause a paradox."


And it would seem that is what is going on by the Donkey wheel being turned. It has seemenly put two time lines into one. So perhaps what Richard was trying to do has happend. He didn't seem to affraid of what was going to happen when the wheel was turned. It seemed he welcomed the idea.


Mrs. Hawking called it course correction by the universe. TPTB spoke about it on there season 4 comments of The Constant. So, no matter how many times Richard goes back into the past he cannot change the outcome of how John Locke will change the way he lives or who he is. Sorry to burst your bubble."

Perhaps that is why John was called the chosen one. Then again propercy can be misread. Perhaps Richard was the chosen one. Hince living without aging :-) and let's not forget the unseen temple.


That doesn't mean the change want be corrected by the "Course correction" The previews of season 5 seem they are ""Course correcting"

[notsolost42]

Not true, on one of the Videos at Comic-Con the guy who done the Videos for the Stations said, they have to go back to the Past to change the future. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I guess you mean Pierre Cheng? He didn't say anything about going into the past to change the future. He was talking to the future and warning them about what could happen. Pop!

[Jaystar™]

I guess you mean Pierre Cheng? He didn't say anything about going into the past to change the future. He was talking to the future and warning them about what could happen. Pop!

Maybe you should watch that Video again, he clearly says. You must stop it by changing the Past.

[notsolost42]

Maybe you should watch that Video again, he clearly says. You must stop it by changing the Past.

It's the golden rule friend. TPTB have spoken. If he said it, and I don't think he did, then it wouldn't work anyway.

[Jaystar™]

It's the golden rule friend. TPTB have spoken. If he said it, and I don't think he did, then it wouldn't work anyway.


Here's the link, watch the Video "Secret Candle!"


http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=index

[Monkey-Hands]

Maybe you should watch that Video again, he clearly says. You must stop it by changing the Past.

He didn't say BY changing the past. He said TO change the past.

[Jaystar™]

He didn't say BY changing the past. He said TO change the past.

There both the same thing anyway.

[beachblinkette]

"I'm afraid that idea is patently wrong. The entire concept of spacetime travel that has been established by TPTB has a golden rule and they have been very careful not to get caught in it. You cannot go back to the past to change what will happen in the future. Doing this can easily cause a paradox."


And it would seem that is what is going on by the Donkey wheel being turned. It has seemenly put two time lines into one. So perhaps what Richard was trying to do has happend. He didn't seem to affraid of what was going to happen when the wheel was turned. It seemed he welcomed the idea.


Mrs. Hawking called it course correction by the universe. TPTB spoke about it on there season 4 comments of The Constant. So, no matter how many times Richard goes back into the past he cannot change the outcome of how John Locke will change the way he lives or who he is. Sorry to burst your bubble."

Perhaps that is why John was called the chosen one. Then again propercy can be misread. Perhaps Richard was the chosen one. Hince living without aging :-) and let's not forget the unseen temple.


That doesn't mean the change want be corrected by the "Course correction" The previews of season 5 seem they are ""Course correcting"
Adorable picture and what a cutie in the box!! Kids are precious.

[LostLate]

All I know is that Richard looked down right aggravated when little Johnny said the knife was his.

[Monkey-Hands]

There both the same thing anyway.

Hmmmmm........:rolleyes:

[Archangel-Player]

"I'm afraid that idea is patently wrong. The entire concept of spacetime travel that has been established by TPTB has a golden rule and they have been very careful not to get caught in it. You cannot go back to the past to change what will happen in the future. Doing this can easily cause a paradox."


And it would seem that is what is going on by the Donkey wheel being turned. It has seemenly put two time lines into one. So perhaps what Richard was trying to do has happend. He didn't seem to affraid of what was going to happen when the wheel was turned. It seemed he welcomed the idea.


Mrs. Hawking called it course correction by the universe. TPTB spoke about it on there season 4 comments of The Constant. So, no matter how many times Richard goes back into the past he cannot change the outcome of how John Locke will change the way he lives or who he is. Sorry to burst your bubble."

Perhaps that is why John was called the chosen one. Then again propercy can be misread. Perhaps Richard was the chosen one. Hince living without aging :-) and let's not forget the unseen temple.


That doesn't mean the change want be corrected by the "Course correction" The previews of season 5 seem they are ""Course correcting"
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Im thinking perhaps the Donkey wheel is the exception to the not being able to change time rule. That not even the master of time Mrs. Hawkens even knows or atleast hasn't meantion. I think she doese know about the wheel and that is why she said Desmond must be on the island not just to save the world once. But time and space with it.

That is why i said that about Richard has figured out how to change time. But not even he has used the wheel. I think theTemple has to deal with his being able to travel threw time. The wheel is what can change time. Question is. Is it just to correct time or is it to alter time as well. Like said Mrs. Hawkens saids time can't be changed. That it always corrects it's self. Is the island an exception to this rule is it some how a place outside of time where anything can happen? Looks like we will have to see :-)

[Monkey-Hands]

OK, maybe it's like this:

I've seen a short clip on the ABC website about the symbols on Ben's door. And Cuse said that some of the meanings for the symbols are Underworld and REINCARNATION.

So what if Locke lived on the island in another life and is now the reincarnation of the person he was before. That's why Richard is asking him which things ALREADY belong to him. That'd make sense.

What if all of the 06 have lived on the island before and are now reincarnated and that's why so special and important for the island?!!?

[beachblinkette]

Maybe Richard is like the Nexi: "those beings in each reality who are absolutely essential to that reality's very existence." He would then be very frustrated when trying to maintain an alternative reality where John needed to exist with certain character traits, or a mind set indicated by choosing the correct items on the table.
Or is it just like Ben needing everyone to return to the island because they are all essential to that one reality? As a guardian of multiverses in which paradoxes must be prevented from ever happening, must Richard find the right combination? Just as he helped John find a way to kill his father, Richard is trying to keep this one universe from paradoxes. Will a critical number of paradoxes be the key to destroying the world or the dimension of reality in which that world can be saved from destruction? Are the numbers just factors of the escalating paradoxes getting set to spin out of control and destroy our universe?

[Lupernikas]

a side step here but an interesting take on time and destiny...the legacy of Kain game series....in effect the future is changed on a number of occasions and the main characters are trying to change their destinies and it is done by taking an object from the future and introducing it into the past, but, however, that object also exists in the past already; in the case of the game it is a magical sword....in essence when both 'incarnations' of the sword are present at the same moment in time, the normal flow of time is 'derailed' by the paradox and can be altered....maybe there is something of a similar nature possible here, introduce a paradox, something which cannot happen and let the past be altered?