couple questions that i pondered

[navyguy]

1. When Sun was having the talk with Widmore she said "We aren't the only ones that have left the island" what was she saying? Was she hinting that Desmond made if off too, or does she know something that nobody else does and meaning "Mr. Widmore, you and I aren't the only one's that have left the island"

2. Daniel is in a put-put boat in the water when the island was moved, and we all know of course he is on the island in S5. Are we to assume that he was a closer distance to the island than the helo? Didn't they both turn from the freighter about the same time? Why wasn't Frank and the 6 pulled back with the rest?

[heavensprincess]

SUN: Call me. As you know, we're not the only ones who left the island.

I always thought she was talking about Ben. When Ben had gone to see him in the hotel in London.

[Jaystar™]

I would say she meant Desmond. Because Penny and Desmond are Married. But I wonder what happened to Frank?

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Today 06:36 PM
navyguy
Daniel is in a put-put boat in the water when the island was moved, and we all know of course he is on the island in S5. Are we to assume that he was a closer distance to the island than the helo? Didn't they both turn from the freighter about the same time? Why wasn't Frank and the 6 pulled back with the rest?

My guess would be that when the island moved it took everything all the way down to the ocean floor, including the smaller island that would have been connected under water. Maybe that included Jin and Daniel who might have been over top of the actual base of the island. And the helicopter was unaffected because it was in the air at the time. This is really one for NotSoLost to tackle though.

[XmasDVD]

If the Island took everything around it - then Charlie would have moved too - wonder if he'll be back??

[Archangel-Player]

"1. When Sun was having the talk with Widmore she said "We aren't the only ones that have left the island" what was she saying? Was she hinting that Desmond made if off too, or does she know something that nobody else does and meaning "Mr. Widmore, you and I aren't the only one's that have left the island"


Well not Desmond in particuler. But to me in my opion. she was kinda landing a low blow by saying I know more than you that more got off the island then the 06. Perhaps a safty net knowing things so that Widmore would be mor eintrested in "doing bussness" with her


"2. Daniel is in a put-put boat in the water when the island was moved, and we all know of course he is on the island in S5. Are we to assume that he was a closer distance to the island than the helo? Didn't they both turn from the freighter about the same time?"


My comment on that senario is. Dan and company on the mini boat found "other means" than the Donkey wheel to get to where the island is. Like I said in a previous post. I beleve someone else besides Ben knows how to "Move" other then by turning the Donkey wheel. I also think a sinster force also knows how to "Move" So in all I would count on three ways to move. And then some. But that is another story.

"Why wasn't Frank and the 6 pulled back with the rest?"

I think that the 06 where far enough away from the reach of the worm hole to keep from being pulled in. It's like in the movies the hero always ducks an inch away from a huge explosion without any debree hitting him or marks on his body. :-)

[beachblinkette]

"1. When Sun was having the talk with Widmore she said "We aren't the only ones that have left the island" what was she saying? Was she hinting that Desmond made if off too, or does she know something that nobody else does and meaning "Mr. Widmore, you and I aren't the only one's that have left the island"


Well not Desmond in particuler. But to me in my opion. she was kinda landing a low blow by saying I know more than you that more got off the island then the 06. Perhaps a safty net knowing things so that Widmore would be mor eintrested in "doing bussness" with her


"2. Daniel is in a put-put boat in the water when the island was moved, and we all know of course he is on the island in S5. Are we to assume that he was a closer distance to the island than the helo? Didn't they both turn from the freighter about the same time?"


My comment on that senario is. Dan and company on the mini boat found "other means" than the Donkey wheel to get to where the island is. Like I said in a previous post. I beleve someone else besides Ben knows how to "Move" other then by turning the Donkey wheel. I also think a sinster force also knows how to "Move" So in all I would count on three ways to move. And then some. But that is another story.

"Why wasn't Frank and the 6 pulled back with the rest?"

I think that the 06 where far enough away from the reach of the worm hole to keep from being pulled in. It's like in the movies the hero always ducks an inch away from a huge explosion without any debree hitting him or marks on his body. :-)
After reading your post, Archangel, and thinking about the island questions here, I googled A Bubble in Time and found this site:
www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/timebubblegalactus.htm

It shows a space ship flying into a time bubble created by a black hole and warping time around it. If the island is in a time bubble, it would explain the moving of everything inside that bubble.

It mentions a time bubble with a 15 year loop and a black hole.

It mentioned space pirates, a Kang nebula, and time sled. There's time travel jargon like the "Heisenberg Effect Neutralizer, Kurtsberg Drive and redundancy existentialators."

Most interesting to me was "The Time Variance Authority who oversee the multiverse to prevent paradoxes." (Dharma?)
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It also mentions the Nexi--"those beings in each reality who are absolutely essential to that reality's very existence." (Richard?)
Was fun to read....

[notsolost42]

After reading your post, Archangel, and thinking about the island questions here, I googled A Bubble in Time and found this site:
www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/timebubblegalactus.htm

It shows a space ship flying into a time bubble created by a black hole and warping time around it. If the island is in a time bubble, it would explain the moving of everything inside that bubble.

It mentions a time bubble with a 15 year loop and a black hole.

It mentioned space pirates, a Kang nebula, and time sled. There's time travel jargon like the "Heisenberg Effect Neutralizer, Kurtsberg Drive and redundancy existentialators."

Most interesting to me was "The Time Variance Authority who oversee the multiverse to prevent paradoxes." (Dharma?)
"
It also mentions the Nexi--"those beings in each reality who are absolutely essential to that reality's very existence." (Richard?)
Was fun to read....

Beach! It sounds like you found the veryessence of the show that TPTB used! OMG! It fits perfectly!

The island in a time bubble - that's how I described the time difference going back and forth to the island. I said that leaving you stretch the time warp, which is why it takes longer and going to the island it is faster because of the EM attraction and time warp. When I described why Daniel's experiment was different than any other time effects that makes sense. It pierced the bubble like I said it pierced the time warp. A bubble works!

The 15 year time loop and black hole! Wow, okay. TPTB have given up the word wormhole on the commentary on the dvd's. We have already said time loop over and over again in our own loop! LOL! I think the loop will be bigger, maybe 50 years or something. You know, back to the DI days. The black hole is the wormhole! Works!

Did you mention pirates and a nebula! OMG! How many times did I post that the Others were pirates from the Black Rock? I am not sure what a time sled is but I wonder if that could be the Black Rock. And you know, we have mentioned the Crab Nebula so often! Another part that fits! Holy cow!

The Time Varience Authority, well that's easy. That would be Mrs. Hawking and Brother Campbell at the least. We have called them time lords already!

The Nexi...I'm not quite sure about that yet. It could be how the DI and our losties fit. Without them, each dimension would not be the same and would have a differenct reality.

You have really found GOLD!!!!! Given TPTB affinity to the comic book classics, this is the holy grail. I can't wait to get to the site you found this on! Thank you!!!!

[notsolost42]

So, I also just found this after going a step further...I think it would relate to Ben and the smoke monster....
Marvel Comics, character The Shroud...I think Ben is the shroud...the Shroud thinks of himself as the good guy, the hero. Now, read what I found...

The Shroud possesses the mystical ability to summon the absolute darkness of the Darkforce Dimension by opening a mystical portal into the Darkforce Dimension and drawing its thick, inky atmosphere in various quantities into Earth's dimension. This darkness is not simply the absence of light, but the negation of it. No illumination can penetrate it. It is unknown how much of this darkness the Shroud can summon at once. He can blanket a small auditorium in darkness within several seconds. The darkness he projects does not fill a volume instantly: it is possible to see its hazy boundary move like thick, black smoke in the air. There appears to be no limit to the length of time the Shroud can maintain the darkness. However, if the Shroud is rendered unconscious the darkness seems to be naturally drawn through the portal from whence it came.
The Shroud has control over the darkness so as to create hazy-edged, featureless black shapes with it, the complexity of which is limited only by his imagination. For example, he once created two tiny discs that covered Captain America's eyes to prevent Dansen Macabre from hypnotizing Captain America. These discs were so small that they were indistinguishable from the pupils of his eyes. He frequently forms the darkness into his own shadow in order to serve as a decoy. Unlike Darkstar's Darkforce, the darkness possesses no mass, and unlike Cloak, the Shroud is unable to travel into and out of the dimension from which he draws his darkness.
The Shroud possesses a mystical sense of perception enabling him to "see" even through his own mantle of darkness. This mystical sense gives him psychic impressions of his environment within a radius of about 100 feet of him. Not unlike Daredevil, the Shroud can receive non-visual sensory impressions through solid objects. Thus, he can perceive people and objects in the room next to him with the ease that he can perceive the contents of the room he is in. The Shroud notes in Spider-Woman I #15 that (unlike Daredevil) he cannot read, he apparently does not have that Max Carrados' style sensitivity of touch that enables DD to read newsprint based on its feel compared to the rest of the page or its impression on the rest of the page. The Shroud recruits Spider-Woman to infiltrate a SHIELD facility so that they can access the files. Spider-Woman notes that though the Shroud's mystic senses enable him to detect what is inside (i.e. the hardware components) the computer, the Shroud cannot read what is on the screen.
The Shroud is an Olympic level athlete with extensive training in several fields of Oriental martial arts, and is adept at acrobatics and infiltration.

...Not to mention good with a little black stick!!!!

It seems to fit Ben and smokie pretty well, don't you think?

Beach, you are amazing! What a find!

[beachblinkette]

NotSoLost you are the amazing one!! I love it!! I didn't get as far as you got but this is so great!! All I can say is that I'm coming back tomorrow to reread your posts and think more about it. Have had a very tiring day and am pooped! This is so much fun!! Thanks for looking into the link and posting! Thanks to Archangel, Xmas DVD. Unbridled Pageantry, Navy Guy and the rest for their comments on this thread. I love this crazy show!!

[beachblinkette]

After rereading notsolost's post comments (Great as usual!) I think the Shroud sounds very much like many of the abilities that Ben possesses--- I for one was surprised by Ben's agility with the baton. and that makes me think after reading NSL's post that Ben could have gotten out of any situation at any time because of his special abilities. But he didn't did he? Because he knew how it needed to be played out --in advance. He's more than cunning and always has a plan! Ben seems to be able to figure out as if by knowing the future what to do in a given situation. The DarkForce Dimension closely parallels our Smokie character too, and the Shroud can summon it just as Ben summons Smokie! I love how the writers have woven the lives of the Dharma, the Others and the Survivors into this science fiction background. There are many similar factors!! Maybe Ajira is the "time sled" that gets the O6 back to the island. I think someone else has said that on another thread. Fun to think about and to see what, if anything, the writers will really reveal when the show ends!!!