Locke's Destiny (he is the true hero) PLEASE READ

[LOCKE'S_DESTINY]

Self sacrifice and his actions, although unorthadox and sometimes confusing, his heart and soul is to protect his people on the island at all costs. This is all we see JOHN LOCKE doing. I'd have to say the worst part was when we saw Locke in the coffin for 3 seconds than the season was over...i swear i didnt sleep that night i was so confused and mad my favorite character by far was dead. Than i got to thinking is Locke really dead? I dont think so i believe he
1) Purposely killed himself so that like we are going to see because of his death the ocenanic 6 return to the island, than intern the island will Resurrect john maybe even more all knowing/ powerful.
2) Purposely got bit by the medusla spiders, got paralyzed and played dead to convince the 06 to come back.
3) Locke (Jeremy benthum) came to LA to kill himself (Locke in LA), Locke on the island is still alive, just his other dimensional self is dead....

ANY THOUGHTS?!

[notsolost42]

I think the island would only let him die if the island was through with him. Remember how many times Michael tried to kill himself? Sorry, I was never a big Locke fan. I don't think he does everything to protect his people at all costs. Why did he let Boone die? He said the island needed a sacrifice? Come on. By the way, are you sure he can be dead in one reality and alive in the other? Why? He could only be dead in his future self not his past self because it would then create a paradox. See, if he was dead in his past self he wouldn't be around to be his future self.

[Jaystar™]

Just because he was inside a Coffin doesn't mean he is dead, but personally I think he is. I think he knew he needed to talk to Jack and Kate, But he didn't want to leave the Island. So killed himself and became a Ghost

[notsolost42]

Just because he was inside a Coffin doesn't mean he is dead, but personally I think he is. I think he knew he needed to talk to Jack and Kate, But he didn't want to leave the Island. So killed himself and became a Ghost

Huh? I am not sure of what you just said. Are you saying that Locke killed himself in the past to go to the future to talk to people as a ghost so he didn't have to leave the island? Are you sure about that? Did I get it?

[Jaystar™]

Huh? I am not sure of what you just said. Are you saying that Locke killed himself in the past to go to the future to talk to people as a ghost so he didn't have to leave the island? Are you sure about that? Did I get it?

No I mean he could have killed himself on the Island, then once a "Ghost" visited Jack and Kate. Like Charlie did with Hurley.

[notsolost42]

No I mean he could have killed himself on the Island, then once a "Ghost" visited Jack and Kate. Like Charlie did with Hurley.

No one ever said Charlie was a ghost. He didn't quite say that.

[Jaystar™]

No one ever said Charlie was a ghost. He didn't quite say that.

Well whatever you want to call it, but we know Hurley wasn't imagining it because someone else seen him also!

[Jeremy]

Here are a few of my thoughts on Locke and those who he directly effectts.



Different possibilities on who Locke is/what he's meant to do:

-A reincarnation of Jacob, who I think may already be dead(thus can't always be seen). If this is the case, maybe Christian(or some evil force appearing as Christian) is trying to trick Locke into giving him the island.

-Locke was chosen by Jacob(perhaps related to Jack rather than Locke) to "bring the family back together" as Boone tells him back in the sweat lodge. Claire and Christian are together, but it is apparent that he was trying to push Jack and Aaron away, and cause trouble by moving the island. Whatever the case, despite Christian "speaking on Jacob's behalf", I think the two are at odds with each other.



Why Locke could have died:

-Something bad happened to Jacob/the island is in possesion of somebody else, so he was no longer protected.

-Locke made a mistake and was banished.

-Charles has obviously been after the island. Maybe he found out about Locke and killed him, and figured that then he would be able to rule the island himself(kind of like the Elder Wand in HP).

[LOSTLOST]

During the 2 or however many years the O6 have been gone we were told horrible things had happened. Many were talking about the island moving in space and time and it effecting the conquessness of the island much as it did with desmond. if that is the case, horrible things would indeed happen, hell, desmond almost died. what ever did happen i believe locke had to move the island again hence him being in the real world. before doing so he may have spoken to jacob or christian and was told how to get back to the island,("killing youself or dying") now he will be able to return to the island just as Christian did and he will then take the role of christian as working for jacob and the island.

[Monkey-Hands]

No I mean he could have killed himself on the Island, then once a "Ghost" visited Jack and Kate. Like Charlie did with Hurley.

But why would his body then lay in that coffin when he killed himself on the island?

[notsolost42]

I have to agree with LostLost about John Locke. I just have to add something here though about Jacob. Everyone talks about Jacob like he and Ben or Locke are running the island together. Well, I don't exactly think so. Jacob has a symbiotic relationship with whoever is the chosen one of the Others. They get along because they have to not because they want to. One is helping the other. Remember the ash around the cabin? Well, that was to keep Jacob in his place, so to speak. I think the object is to keep him from roaming the island. The producers talked about this relationship on a podcast or somewhere.

[ortrules]

now he will be able to return to the island just as Christian did and he will then take the role of christian as working for jacob and the island.

I'm still not sold on the idea that Christian and Jacob are working together - in fact, I've long thought they are actually working against each other. This feeling was particularly heightened when Locke finally found Jacob's cabin only to realize it wasn't Jacob inside, but Christian, and Christian claimed to speak for Jacob. And when Ben asked Locke what Jacob said, he told Ben they had to move the island - but Locke never told him that Jacob wasn't even in the cabin.

I have a feeling that Jacob never wanted to move the island and it was all Christian's idea - and maybe that's why things have gone so horribly wrong that the O'6 need to return. Maybe now that the island has moved, Christian finds himself in power and Jacob is out.

[ortrules]

I have to agree with LostLost about John Locke. I just have to add something here though about Jacob. Everyone talks about Jacob like he and Ben or Locke are running the island together. Well, I don't exactly think so. Jacob has a symbiotic relationship with whoever is the chosen one of the Others. They get along because they have to not because they want to. One is helping the other. Remember the ash around the cabin? Well, that was to keep Jacob in his place, so to speak. I think the object is to keep him from roaming the island. The producers talked about this relationship on a podcast or somewhere.

Agreed. In fact, if anything, we've seen that Jacob doesn't like Ben. When we first "met" Jacob, he threw Ben against a wall, said "help me" to Locke, and ultimately decided Ben shouldn't be in power anymore.

[notsolost42]

Agreed. In fact, if anything, we've seen that Jacob doesn't like Ben. When we first "met" Jacob, he threw Ben against a wall, said "help me" to Locke, and ultimately decided Ben shouldn't be in power anymore.

wOW! I'm impressesd...two in a row that we agree on! Maybe the universe has course corrected! LOL!!! :p

[Jaystar™]

Agreed. In fact, if anything, we've seen that Jacob doesn't like Ben. When we first "met" Jacob, he threw Ben against a wall, said "help me" to Locke, and ultimately decided Ben shouldn't be in power anymore.

With him throwing Ben to the wall, that doesn't mean he hates him. He could have just been trying to prove to John that he does exist or he might have just been made!

[ortrules]

With him throwing Ben to the wall, that doesn't mean he hates him. He could have just been trying to prove to John that he does exist or he might have just been made!

He could have done anything to prove to Locke that he existed - such as rocking in the chair, moving the table, speaking to Locke, etc.

Throwing Ben across the room means he was angry with him or something he did.

[Jaystar™]

He could have done anything to prove to Locke that he existed - such as rocking in the chair, moving the table, speaking to Locke, etc.

Throwing Ben across the room means he was angry with him or something he did.

It still couldn't mean that, I've seen when people get really really angry they would throw anything near them, even people. And as we know Jacob doesn't like Technology so that made him go into a rage!

[lostie108]

Self sacrifice and his actions, although unorthadox and sometimes confusing, his heart and soul is to protect his people on the island at all costs. This is all we see JOHN LOCKE doing. I'd have to say the worst part was when we saw Locke in the coffin for 3 seconds than the season was over...i swear i didnt sleep that night i was so confused and mad my favorite character by far was dead. Than i got to thinking is Locke really dead? I dont think so i believe he
1) Purposely killed himself so that like we are going to see because of his death the ocenanic 6 return to the island, than intern the island will Resurrect john maybe even more all knowing/ powerful.
2) Purposely got bit by the medusla spiders, got paralyzed and played dead to convince the 06 to come back.
3) Locke (Jeremy benthum) came to LA to kill himself (Locke in LA), Locke on the island is still alive, just his other dimensional self is dead....

ANY THOUGHTS?! ok so finally someone believes that locke isn't dead as i posted a long time ago , those medusa spiders are what they used to make locke appear lifeless . when in reality just paralyzed for what 8 hours i think , any how also if anyone thinks or wants to try to persuade me that the medusa spiders were smokey go right ahead . but as we all have seen arnst , come on you remember arnst he blew up by way of the dynamite from the black rock , anyway he actually had one or two of them in jars in his little insect hut . so if they are the smoke monster how did he manage to keep a tiny piece of this monster or entity in a jar ? hmmmmm . anyone convinced yet.....

[Jaystar™]

ok so finally someone believes that locke isn't dead as i posted a long time ago , those medusa spiders are what they used to make locke appear lifeless . when in reality just paralyzed for what 8 hours i think , any how also if anyone thinks or wants to try to persuade me that the medusa spiders were smokey go right ahead . but as we all have seen arnst , come on you remember arnst he blew up by way of the dynamite from the black rock , anyway he actually had one or two of them in jars in his little insect hut . so if they are the smoke monster how did he manage to keep a tiny piece of this monster or entity in a jar ? hmmmmm . anyone convinced yet.....

Seeing as how the Creators even said the Spiders was Smokey, I think you should re-think your theory!

[lostie108]

Seeing as how the Creators even said the Spiders was Smokey, I think you should re-think your theory!

oh right because they tell the truth jaystar , remember they also said there was no time travel , and bingo guess what jaystar there is time travel , so maybe you should stop believing everything the writers say . im not sayin im just sayin.

[LOCKE'S_DESTINY]

I really hope Locke isn't dead ps. thanks to all that agree :P It would create a bias towards no hope no father/ hero figure for the losties. I believe Jack saves ppl for the sake of self gain or acceptance towards the way christian pushed him when he was a kid. Locke is truely incorruptable thus far, however so ppl have said they think in season 5 he may lose his way....which i really hope isnt the case. See idn if I am drawn to Locke because im a religious person and his character is inspiring and selfless Any thoughts on how LOCKE or the OTHER LOSTIES will turn out? switch roles...will jack be the man of faith and locke lose his way?

[Brother Desmond]

ok so finally someone believes that locke isn't dead as i posted a long time ago , those medusa spiders are what they used to make locke appear lifeless . when in reality just paralyzed for what 8 hours i think , any how also if anyone thinks or wants to try to persuade me that the medusa spiders were smokey go right ahead . but as we all have seen arnst , come on you remember arnst he blew up by way of the dynamite from the black rock , anyway he actually had one or two of them in jars in his little insect hut . so if they are the smoke monster how did he manage to keep a tiny piece of this monster or entity in a jar ? hmmmmm . anyone convinced yet.....

The black smoke is seemingly more than one entity. If that is true, which I think it is, it would be plausible for one or more of those pieces to manifest itself as medusa spiders, and for one or more of those spiders to be captured in a jar.

[beachblinkette]

I think I agree that Locke is dead because the island didn't need him anymore. But then we just don't know because that corpse could be a clone, like the rabbit. Or he could be frozen from the medusa spider bite.

I used to think that he might have committed suicide but after all he's been through and his will to survive, I find that hard to believe. So, what about the idea that someone got to him and took his life-- off the island? That could be Ben, or the people Ben is trying to kill, perhaps. If they all go back then they may have John back in the same way they have Christian, Clare, Charlie and the rest.

Or, John has come to understand what the eyeland is all about because Richard explained things to him! Part of that might have been that he had to sacrifice himself for the good of the island? The future of Mankind?

It was Notsolost and others who said they thought the whispers were from another spacetime dimension. Since they speak backwards, I think they might be from the future traveling back in time to the island. One of the hieroglyphs in the hatch computer countdown screen, showed a folded cloth (fabric) symbol-like a fold in time? That might be alluding to time travel. Or, they are the phantom voices of others who have spacetime-crossed into the island dimension. The fabric in time between the 2 dimensions might have weak spots. Their backwards speech is the anomaly part of that crossing like looking in mirror.

Maybe the hatches purpose was to keep the island protected and safe in the dimension it was supposed to be in. When the hatch imploded all hell seemed to break loose. Just more thoughts on this that have probably been aired before.

Maybe Jacob ( seems like a prisoner in the cabin) wants to DESTROY the island so he can find his eternal rest? (Help Me!) But Ben ( control guy) won't let him do it--he's got too much invested in the whole set-up.

[lostie108]

The black smoke is seemingly more than one entity. If that is true, which I think it is, it would be plausible for one or more of those pieces to manifest itself as medusa spiders, and for one or more of those spiders to be captured in a jar.

o.k. so if they could capture one or more of the pieces , than it is also plausible for ben to be able to capture these bits and pieces and then use them on locke . am i missing something .

[Brother Desmond]

o.k. so if they could capture one or more of the pieces , than it is also plausible for ben to be able to capture these bits and pieces and then use them on locke . am i missing something .

I never said it wasn't, I don't think it is likely, but maybe possible. However, I don't believe that is what happened. For starters, how did Ben get the Medusa spiders off the Island?

[lostie108]

I never said it wasn't, I don't think it is likely, but maybe possible. However, I don't believe that is what happened. For starters, how did Ben get the Medusa spiders off the Island?

first of all sorry i must have mis understood you brother , but are you on the same island as i am? if arnst can capture it in a jar why can't ben capture this entity in a jar and by the way doesn't have to use this on the island . but for the sake of debate he easily could have had john bitten by the spider then just jumped into that time . is this plausible for you . and again sorry for mis - understaning your reply before , didn't realize you were kinda on my side there my bad .

[Brother Desmond]

first of all sorry i must have mis understood you brother , but are you on the same island as i am? if arnst can capture it in a jar why can't ben capture this entity in a jar and by the way doesn't have to use this on the island . but for the sake of debate he easily could have had john bitten by the spider then just jumped into that time . is this plausible for you . and again sorry for mis - understaning your reply before , didn't realize you were kinda on my side there my bad .

I don't think I'm understanding what you are saying. Ben left the Island late in the year of 2004. Locke didn't leave until after this point, we see him move with the Island. We see Locke in the coffin at some time in the year 2007. For your medusa spider theory to work, Ben would have to administer the medusa spider while off the Island.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Today 01:01 AM
Brother Desmond Quote:
Originally Posted by lostie108
o.k. so if they could capture one or more of the pieces , than it is also plausible for ben to be able to capture these bits and pieces and then use them on locke . am i missing something .

I never said it wasn't, I don't think it is likely, but maybe possible. However, I don't believe that is what happened. For starters, how did Ben get the Medusa spiders off the Island?
Today 12:43 AM

I know that the show made up the Madusa spider; but what if the spiders Arzt had were real. Nikki through a spider from Arzt jar, so that was actually one of the real spiders. But then when the flock of Madusa spiders started to come out of the trees, and she got scared, the first spider ( that bit Paulo) bit her.
So the spider was real, but Smokie created the other spiders to scare Nikki so that the original spider had time to move from Paulo to her. I think that accomodate's both your guys theories.

[lostie108]

I know that the show made up the Madusa spider; but what if the spiders Arzt had were real. Nikki through a spider from Arzt jar, so that was actually one of the real spiders. But then when the flock of Madusa spiders started to come out of the trees, and she got scared, the first spider ( that bit Paulo) bit her.
So the spider was real, but Smokie created the other spiders to scare Nikki so that the original spider had time to move from Paulo to her. I think that accomodate's both your guys theories.

well thank you for wrapping that up with a nice bow on top , lol , if i remember correctly arzt told nikki that if you have 1 female medusa spider that hundreds to thousands maybe of male medusa spiders would come to her like a dog in heat. so still i believe these medusa spiders are not the smoke monster .

[lostie108]

I don't think I'm understanding what you are saying. Ben left the Island late in the year of 2004. Locke didn't leave until after this point, we see him move with the Island. We see Locke in the coffin at some time in the year 2007. For your medusa spider theory to work, Ben would have to administer the medusa spider while off the Island.

o.k. i am not 100% on the dates but what if locke himself learned to jump around kinda like tom or ben or even alpert seem to have been able to do . if he learned how to do this via his own research or via alpert he would be able to capture a spider or two and possibly jump with them . again just throwin it out there but your dates are convincing brother . gotta go now be back soon .

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

You know what I can't believe?? That Nikki and Paulo would apprear to have had some relevance after all (if the spider thing is true) LOLOLOLOLOLOL

On a more serious note, do we really believe the newspaper obit that Jeremy Betham hanged himself? Naaaahhh....not me, brother...Not Locke-like. nope.

[LOCKE'S_DESTINY]

i couldnt see the news clipping that well good eyes LOCKEING do u have a picture or nething of it? it would be interesting to see :)

[ortrules]

On a more serious note, do we really believe the newspaper obit that Jeremy Betham hanged himself? Naaaahhh....not me, brother...Not Locke-like. nope.

Not at all, there was definitely some foul play involved. And I can't remember who said it exactly, but one of the O'6 mentioned that the paper "claimed" he hung himself - and the way that person said it made it seem like they knew better.

[ortrules]

o.k. i am not 100% on the dates but what if locke himself learned to jump around kinda like tom or ben or even alpert seem to have been able to do . if he learned how to do this via his own research or via alpert he would be able to capture a spider or two and possibly jump with them . again just throwin it out there but your dates are convincing brother . gotta go now be back soon .

I don't believe anyone can time jump at will. If, for instance, Locke could time jump - why bother getting off the island and trying to get the O'6 to return? Why not just time jump and stop them from leaving in the first place?

[notsolost42]

I don't believe anyone can time jump at will. If, for instance, Locke could time jump - why bother getting off the island and trying to get the O'6 to return? Why not just time jump and stop them from leaving in the first place?

Ort, get over it buddy. They are time jumping. TPTB have dubbed it time jumping. The problem is that they cannot control it. That's why Locke can't go back and stop them from leaving the island. There are two different ways that time jumping is happening from what I am seeing.
First, Des was time jumping (his consciousness) due to extreme exposure to EM radiation from the Swan imploding. Daniel also from the exposure to the EM radiation from his experimenting since the 1990's. The freighter folks like Minkowski and the girl were from EM exposure because they did not follow the coordinates of 305 or 325 degrees. This had been said in an epi but if you weren't listening for it for that reason, you probably wouldn't have thought twice about it. The island is surrounded by extreme EM radiation. It comes from the negatively charged exotic matter that is somewhere deep in the bowels of the island. The DI experimented with time jumping, as we saw in the Orchid video with Dr. Cheng and the bunny. They were apparently trying to harness the energy by using the pod in the Orchid. The pod was built as close to the exotic matter as they thought they could get.
Second, Ben time jumped when he turned the frozen wheel. By turning the wheel he exposed the exotic matter to heat and it expelled a huge amount of EM radiation. That is what causes the Purple Sky Event or Ultraviolet Light Catastrophy. That is what makes the island move in spacetime dimension. You know how those two different coordinates of 305 and 325 degrees are safe travel to and from the island. Well, I think that is because those are old coordinates of where the island was. They are rips in the time warp of EM around the island. Like short highways for safe travel. My thoughts are that when the island moved Ben was hurled in the opposite direction. It's physics. Like the kickback when you shoot a gun. The bullet goes forward and the shooter gets a jolt backwards. So, I think that Ben went the opposite direction in spacetime that the island did. Since Ben jumped forward about 11 months and by the promos it appears the island went backwards to at least the DI years, this does make logical sense. It has been said that it is very dangerous to turn the wheel and it is uncontrolable. Ben had said that to Locke on the way to the Orchid. Now, you realize of course, that the shooter does not get hurled back as far as the bullet goes forward. That would be funny!
So, that's the two different time jumping "styles" that I see occuring. Neither one of them is controlable. That's why Locke cannot go back and stop the 06 from leaving the island. There is no "time machine" where you can set a dial for travel.

[ortrules]

Ort, get over it buddy. They are time jumping. TPTB have dubbed it time jumping. The problem is that they cannot control it.

Yea, isn't that exactly what I said? I fully understand time travel is part of the equation - and what I said was that they can't do it at will, nothing more.

My point was to say that if Locke could time travel at will, he could simply jump to a time before the O'6 leave and make sure it doesn't happen. But obviously he didn't do that because he can't.

[lostie108]

I don't believe anyone can time jump at will. If, for instance, Locke could time jump - why bother getting off the island and trying to get the O'6 to return? Why not just time jump and stop them from leaving in the first place?

im not saying he can just jump at will but alpert and tom both seemed to easily be able to come and go from the island and i am not sure how , i dont think they sailed or even used a sub i believe they know how to jump and come back just as quickly . but like i said befor not at all for sure just a theory . and if he could do this than your right i guess he should just stop them from leaving , i would venture to say the reason to not do this is because they have to leave for the purpose of coming back or something to that effect. i dunno

[notsolost42]

im not saying he can just jump at will but alpert and tom both seemed to easily be able to come and go from the island and i am not sure how , i dont think they sailed or even used a sub i believe they know how to jump and come back just as quickly . but like i said befor not at all for sure just a theory . and if he could do this than your right i guess he should just stop them from leaving , i would venture to say the reason to not do this is because they have to leave for the purpose of coming back or something to that effect. i dunno

Tom is dead, isn't he? As for them time jumping at will, I don't think so. They used the normal means, sub or boat, etc. to go to and from the island. Don't forget, they know the coordinates that are safe. Anyway, there is something about Richard Alpert that's not normal...I think we all get that! LOL!!

Ort buddy, sorry to have misread you. I know in the past you didn't believe that they were time traveling at all so I guess that's why I instantly assumed you were saying it again. :o

[lostie108]

Yea, isn't that exactly what I said? I fully understand time travel is part of the equation - and what I said was that they can't do it at will, nothing more.

My point was to say that if Locke could time travel at will, he could simply jump to a time before the O'6 leave and make sure it doesn't happen. But obviously he didn't do that because he can't.

ok so again i didnt read on , and see that you to ort think that they are time jumping , and we all agree that they can't control it but what if agin for the sake of debate alpert taught locke how to control this or somthing to that effect. then they could have possibly pulled this offf. heres what could happen jack says why did you lie john then john says it was the only way jack . then cackles haahahaha , and then hurley tells jack dude you gotta pee on it , pee on it. lol

[lostie108]

Tom is dead, isn't he? As for them time jumping at will, I don't think so. They used the normal means, sub or boat, etc. to go to and from the island. Don't forget, they know the coordinates that are safe. Anyway, there is something about Richard Alpert that's not normal...I think we all get that! LOL!!

Ort buddy, sorry to have misread you. I know in the past you didn't believe that they were time traveling at all so I guess that's why I instantly assumed you were saying it again. :o

notso do you really think they would take that long of a trip back to wherever they are going from the island by boat or sub . i just dont think they would it would take to long . and i am not saying they can jump at will , i said like dez , who seemingly gets catapulted to that time by a familiar sound or something. but if alpert can hone the skill than maybe just maybe john can too. .

[notsolost42]

notso do you really think they would take that long of a trip back to wherever they are going from the island by boat or sub . i just dont think they would it would take to long . and i am not saying they can jump at will , i said like dez , who seemingly gets catapulted to that time by a familiar sound or something. but if alpert can hone the skill than maybe just maybe john can too. .

No, I'm not saying that they would take the sub or boat to the mainland of the USA but I am saying that they probably used it to go to the nearest populated place that offered modern transportation, like jets and stuff. But, like I said, Richard is different. I don't know if he did that or not. He appears ageless, but what if it is just that he has been time jumping with the ability to remember the future. Maybe he can time jump at will. I'll give you that possibility. LOL!

[Anton]

This is a good discussion.
I have to say that I used to be a huge locke fan, He was my favorite when Lost started, but recently I have fallen away from locke, he just doesn't seem to be the kind hearted person I used to think he was. and as it turns out, he had been framing Sawyer for something he had done in the past, so that works against him, personally, I have to tell you, I rejoiced when it turned out to be locke who was dead instead of someone els.

[lostie108]

No, I'm not saying that they would take the sub or boat to the mainland of the USA but I am saying that they probably used it to go to the nearest populated place that offered modern transportation, like jets and stuff. But, like I said, Richard is different. I don't know if he did that or not. He appears ageless, but what if it is just that he has been time jumping with the ability to remember the future. Maybe he can time jump at will. I'll give you that possibility. LOL!

ok then ill take that , that makes perfect sense i was pretty sure thats what you were thinking when it came to them leaving but wanted to be perfectly sure , also i definately agree there is obviously something different about alpert . ok so here we go ben is off the island john takes boat or sub to populated mainland then goes stateside to convince the 06 to return in the meantime alpert is just waiting to jump to ben and johns side to use the medusa spiders which he brought with him . lol . i know its absolutely far fetched . here is something else though i just thought of remember the test alpert gives john and then storms off as if to say this IS NOT who i was looking for but he knows locke is going to play a part in this whole thing and now since he chose the knife well hes a hunter i guess or a killer and what if alpert takies john out because of this , or sets him up somehow before john does his worst.

[lostie108]

This is a good discussion.
I have to say that I used to be a huge locke fan, He was my favorite when Lost started, but recently I have fallen away from locke, he just doesn't seem to be the kind hearted person I used to think he was. and as it turns out, he had been framing Sawyer for something he had done in the past, so that works against him, personally, I have to tell you, I rejoiced when it turned out to be locke who was dead instead of someone els.

TRAITOR lol , happy to see locke in the coffin never , john and ben and eko are my favorites . oh and of course i cant forget scott and steve . those two are priceless , couldn't shoot the show without them , but i digress that is a whole other thread . man those two crack me up.

[notsolost42]

ok then ill take that , that makes perfect sense i was pretty sure thats what you were thinking when it came to them leaving but wanted to be perfectly sure , also i definately agree there is obviously something different about alpert . ok so here we go ben is off the island john takes boat or sub to populated mainland then goes stateside to convince the 06 to return in the meantime alpert is just waiting to jump to ben and johns side to use the medusa spiders which he brought with him . lol . i know its absolutely far fetched . here is something else though i just thought of remember the test alpert gives john and then storms off as if to say this IS NOT who i was looking for but he knows locke is going to play a part in this whole thing and now since he chose the knife well hes a hunter i guess or a killer and what if alpert takies john out because of this , or sets him up somehow before john does his worst.

Right, Alpert knows that this is the kid that grows up to screw up the island! Maybe it was on the verge of being destroyed before Locke left. As for the medusa spiders...ah, I don't think so. I think that TPTB have already said the medusa spiders were a manifestation of the smoke monster. So, unless smokie is involved....

[lostie108]

Right, Alpert knows that this is the kid that grows up to screw up the island! Maybe it was on the verge of being destroyed before Locke left. As for the medusa spiders...ah, I don't think so. I think that TPTB have already said the medusa spiders were a manifestation of the smoke monster. So, unless smokie is involved....

like i said before dont always believe TPTB , they have been know to flat out lie , but if they are smokey i believe there are also real one too. if this is true well as i said before arzt said one female would get hundreds of male spiders to come to here because of her pheremones i think , not 100% on this fact but if this is true then all nikki had to do was take the female spider and then oh *@#$ hundreds of males seem to flock to area just as arzt said , which again leads me to believe it was a real spider if smokie takes a form could it posses all the qualities of the genuine article . i dont know but this is why i believe the spider could have been real and not smokie.

[lostie108]

Right, Alpert knows that this is the kid that grows up to screw up the island! Maybe it was on the verge of being destroyed before Locke left. As for the medusa spiders...ah, I don't think so. I think that TPTB have already said the medusa spiders were a manifestation of the smoke monster. So, unless smokie is involved....

i do think though that locke is the kid that will grow up to screw the island sounds the most plausible of the ideas simply because of the test , and alperts reaction . and just conning him all along to make him believe he is the chosen one. i just hope that he is alive and he isn't a evil lord of time . lol gotta go get lunch be back later cant wait to hear more . later all

[notsolost42]

like i said before dont always believe TPTB , they have been know to flat out lie , but if they are smokey i believe there are also real one too. if this is true well as i said before arzt said one female would get hundreds of male spiders to come to here because of her pheremones i think , not 100% on this fact but if this is true then all nikki had to do was take the female spider and then oh *@#$ hundreds of males seem to flock to area just as arzt said , which again leads me to believe it was a real spider if smokie takes a form could it posses all the qualities of the genuine article . i dont know but this is why i believe the spider could have been real and not smokie.

FYI from Lostpedia Trivia under Medusa Spider:

The NYC taxi cab sound effect associated with the Monster can be heard just before Nikki is bitten by the other spiders. In the March 21, 2008 edition of the Official Lost Podcast, Damon says the Medusa spiders were a form of the Monster.

This is so insignificant that TPTB wouldn't lie. They do lie, for sure, I've always said that, but not this time in my opinion.

[ortrules]

I don't believe Richard time travels - I think he's just ageless. If you remember from the Lost Experience, they did an experiment with an orangutan named Joop. Joop was part of Dharma's life extension project and was celebrating his 106th birthday.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Joop

I believe that Richard, whether he was once part of Dharma or came from the Black Rock or was tested on or whatever, stumbled upon the power the island had to extend life - hence his seeming agelessness. Or the island granted him this ability much like it healed Locke and Rose.

[notsolost42]

I don't believe Richard time travels - I think he's just ageless. If you remember from the Lost Experience, they did an experiment with an orangutan named Joop. Joop was part of Dharma's life extension project and was celebrating his 106th birthday.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Joop

I believe that Richard, whether he was once part of Dharma or came from the Black Rock or was tested on or whatever, stumbled upon the power the island had to extend life - hence his seeming agelessness. Or the island granted him this ability much like it healed Locke and Rose.

That sounds good to me! Oh boy, do I ever remember Joop from the game! Remember that real scary part where his photo suddenly screams and bares teeth and there was a hidden photo of a man? That was soooo creepy. Maybe that was supposed to be RA. Possible, definitely possible.

[lostie108]

FYI from Lostpedia Trivia under Medusa Spider:

The NYC taxi cab sound effect associated with the Monster can be heard just before Nikki is bitten by the other spiders. In the March 21, 2008 edition of the Official Lost Podcast, Damon says the Medusa spiders were a form of the Monster.

This is so insignificant that TPTB wouldn't lie. They do lie, for sure, I've always said that, but not this time in my opinion.

ok well we all are entitled to our own opinions , i definately understand that this could very well be smokey .

[lostie108]

I don't believe Richard time travels - I think he's just ageless. If you remember from the Lost Experience, they did an experiment with an orangutan named Joop. Joop was part of Dharma's life extension project and was celebrating his 106th birthday.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Joop

I believe that Richard, whether he was once part of Dharma or came from the Black Rock or was tested on or whatever, stumbled upon the power the island had to extend life - hence his seeming agelessness. Or the island granted him this ability much like it healed Locke and Rose.

i dont know about this joop ape , but if i remember correctly your precious tptb said that the stuff on those games would not come into play simply because not everyone would play them . am i wrong on this fact ort ? and i realize you are just giving an example but was just wondering if you heard that too.

[Anton]

TRAITOR lol , happy to see locke in the coffin never , john and ben and eko are my favorites . oh and of course i cant forget scott and steve . those two are priceless , couldn't shoot the show without them , but i digress that is a whole other thread . man those two crack me up.

Don't get me wrong, locke play's an important roll, he just simply isn't the person that I would consider to be the hero of any story, to me, he makes a good villain, same as ben.

[notsolost42]

i dont know about this joop ape , but if i remember correctly your precious tptb said that the stuff on those games would not come into play simply because not everyone would play them . am i wrong on this fact ort ? and i realize you are just giving an example but was just wondering if you heard that too.

Joop was part of the game. He was an orangatan not an ape actually. All Ort is saying is that the DI experimented with properties of the island that may be responsible for not aging. In the game, Joop was 106 years old. It was the Hanso Foundation that initiated the program. It's not that the game is coming into play as much as it is just one of the things that the DI did and it was in the game.

[ortrules]

Joop was part of the game. He was an orangatan not an ape actually. All Ort is saying is that the DI experimented with properties of the island that may be responsible for not aging. In the game, Joop was 106 years old. It was the Hanso Foundation that initiated the program. It's not that the game is coming into play as much as it is just one of the things that the DI did and it was in the game.

Correct. In my opinion, we are only just beginning to learn about the powers of the island - especially since our Flight 815ers have only really just begun learning about the island and exploring it. In the little bit they have explored, which is probably less than half of the island (and don't forget there's apparently two islands), we've seen an extremely powerful electromagnetic field, some wheel that helps control spacetime and can move the island, a cabin that mysteriously disappears and reappears, and a whole lot more. It likely won't be too much longer until we find out what else is going on with the island and what else it can do.

And I don't ever recall TPTB saying the games would never come into play - I just remember them saying they weren't instrumental for everyone to know. For instance, the last game had lots of great information about the Black Rock, and I have no doubt that a lot of it will be reiterated on the show. It will be old news to some of us, but for many who don't play the games, it will be their first time learning about it.

[lostie108]

Don't get me wrong, locke play's an important roll, he just simply isn't the person that I would consider to be the hero of any story, to me, he makes a good villain, same as ben.

i could see that , that looks like a ton of snow anton , should be seeing more here in the windy city soon. locke could definately turn out to be a villian although i hope he is not .

[lostie108]

Joop was part of the game. He was an orangatan not an ape actually. All Ort is saying is that the DI experimented with properties of the island that may be responsible for not aging. In the game, Joop was 106 years old. It was the Hanso Foundation that initiated the program. It's not that the game is coming into play as much as it is just one of the things that the DI did and it was in the game.

no , i definately understand he was just using that as an examle to his theory . and it is a good one . but to me for it to be relevant they would have to elaborate about this fact on the show a little more thats all. what if the island is somewhat like the fountain of youth with differnt qualities .

[Anton]

i could see that , that looks like a ton of snow anton , should be seeing more here in the windy city soon. locke could definately turn out to be a villian although i hope he is not .

I agree completely, I would like to see locke come back to the kind of person he was in the first few episodes, but I just don't see that happening. I was re-watching the fist season with my family the other day and saw the part where he told syead that it was Sawer the bashed him over the head, and I got to thinking about, how even back then, locke believed that the end justifies the means. So I would like to see locke, and the others, become more honest, I think if they were all to become honest with each other, they would live much longer.
that snow was from last year, we have WAY more this year.