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EMIT
12-24-2008, 04:50 PM
Had I warned him about the scaffolding, tomorrow he'd be hit by a taxi. Had I warned him about the taxi, he'd fall in the shower and break his neck. The universe, unfortunately, has a way of course-correcting. That man was supposed to die; that was his path. Just as it's your path to go to the island. You don't do it because you choose to, Desmond. You do it because you're supposed to. -- Ms. Hawking

Course Correction is an already established "science" in LOST. It really means that there is a "destiny" (Note S5 promo line "Destiny Calls") and the "universe" does everything to make sure that the "destiny" is reached.

Everyone remembers when Alex was killed by Keamy and his team. Ben seemed almost certain that Keamy would not kill Alex, much like he often seems sure that his own life will not be ended. This is because Jacob has seen the future, in the same way Desmond traveled through time with his conscience.

So now that Jacob has seen the future, most probaly by being present to a large dose of EM from the Island, he has told some of the future to his minions, including Ben. So Ben knows that some point in the future he and Alex should be alive, and that the Universe will do everything to reach this. This is why he was so shocked when she did die, and why he spoke the words "You changed the rules".

Another good example of this is Micheal, the universe would not let him die as he still had somthing to do (Blow up the ship).

So my theory is that the O6 have somthing to do on the Island, and as Ms.Hawking said that if Desmond "doesn't do those things", that "every single one of us is dead", and those things were as small as pushing a button.

So my theory is that DHARMA are still around, and the Valenzetti equation still needs changing to prolong the life of Mankind. If the O6 don't return and fufill destiny then the world will end rather soon.

So why were the O6 allowed to leave? why was Alex allowed to die? I think it's because the universe's course correcting is "breaking" after some incident, my personal idea is that the EM fail safe key that desmond turned caused it.

So that is why Ben is so determined to make the O6 return, he is acting the same role that Ms.Hawking, Abaddon, Richard etc. These people fill in for the universe, they help us all reach are destiny.

Foro777
01-12-2009, 09:50 AM
That's really good. Especially the Ben/Abaddon/Hawkings having to take the place of the universe with ppl's destinies.
/golfclap

Pelegrin_1
01-12-2009, 08:07 PM
Because Ben, John, and Charlie have convinced them that they have to go back. Because Jack's and Hurley's conscience's have convinced them that they have to return. And because what they saw when the Islands disappeared finally made them realize, Jack and Hurley at least, that the Islands are something extremely special. And related to their conscience, because they did in fact leave people behind, people who they had lived with and survived with there for 4 months.

I believe that Ben is almost certainly trying to set something straight or trying to change the outcome of something, and he needs the O-6 to return in order for that to potentially happen. Bentham knows that too. Plus, in Ben's case, he's probably also trying to use the O-6 to make a way to get back himself. And also, remember that almost until the last moment, it was Ben's role or objective to make sure that no one left the Islands, so if he can get them back then it'll be like redeeming himself... they were able to leave on his watch.

Saboteur's Requiem
01-14-2009, 03:50 AM
I figured since everyone's life off the island was so miserable that they had to go back, and do what? im not so sure but destiny does play a big part.

Everything focuses around Des not pushing that button, and i still can't believe that the plane crashed only because Des forgot to push the button. I mean come on they were all connected to each other AND there was a spinal surgeon on board.

cindylou316
01-16-2009, 12:40 PM
I so agree with your theory!!! I keep thinking back to Charlie and Desmonds futile attempts to keep him alive..... only to conclude that death would somehow find him.

notsolost42
01-16-2009, 01:02 PM
When Desmond turned the failsafe key and the EM was emmitted it caused a rip in the spacetime continuum. This is causing further distortions of time on the island. TPTB have said all along that something else happened when Des turned the key. This is it. They must go back and it must be in the time loop so that Des does not turn the failsafe key. I don't think they will accomplish this because I believe TPTB said something about a major volcanic explosion in the end. I think the volcanic explosion is a metaphor for the end of the world as they know it. It is the only way the show can end. It cannot end all nice and peaceful with Jack and Kate married raising Aaron or Kate and Sawyer together raising Aaron and Clemintine, etc. This show is hard core in its own way and there is a very limited choice of outcomes. Fade to black. Fini.

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
01-16-2009, 11:21 PM
When Desmond turned the failsafe key and the EM was emmitted it caused a rip in the spacetime continuum. This is causing further distortions of time on the island. TPTB have said all along that something else happened when Des turned the key. This is it. They must go back and it must be in the time loop so that Des does not turn the failsafe key. I don't think they will accomplish this because I believe TPTB said something about a major volcanic explosion in the end. I think the volcanic explosion is a metaphor for the end of the world as they know it. It is the only way the show can end. It cannot end all nice and peaceful with Jack and Kate married raising Aaron or Kate and Sawyer together raising Aaron and Clemintine, etc. This show is hard core in its own way and there is a very limited choice of outcomes. Fade to black. Fini.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

ok, how do we make extremely large emoticoms here?????

(btw, I hate it when you're right, NotSo...)

lostlindy
01-17-2009, 01:28 AM
What if, just what if, this all has something to with Ben's Mother? All his life he has carried the guilt of killing his mother as his father put it and never left him forget. We haven't seen or heard from her since she told him it wasn't time yet. Talk about a twist! Something to think about since there is talk of going back in time!:eek:

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
01-17-2009, 07:15 PM
Well, Richard did tell Ben he'd have to be very very patient and wait a long time... I don't know if he meant after he died or until he took over as leader or what...

But anyway, do you really think adult Ben carries that guilt? I mean, he's not an impressionable child anymore who doesn't understand things don't work that way... besides, in the truck with dear ol' dad, Ben even said something like "Do you actually believe that, Dad?" (forgot his exact words, but he meant same thing ... so adult Ben knew better.)

clight01
01-18-2009, 12:47 AM
I keep going back to the pilot episode and how it started with Jack laying in the jungle, then running to the beach to help everyone. Either in season 5 or 6, I'm afraid we're going to see Jack going back to that same moment...maybe having to do things differently in order to course correct?

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
01-18-2009, 05:41 PM
When Desmond turned the failsafe key and the EM was emmitted it caused a rip in the spacetime continuum. This is causing further distortions of time on the island. TPTB have said all along that something else happened when Des turned the key. This is it. They must go back and it must be in the time loop so that Des does not turn the failsafe key. I don't think they will accomplish this because I believe TPTB said something about a major volcanic explosion in the end. I think the volcanic explosion is a metaphor for the end of the world as they know it. It is the only way the show can end. It cannot end all nice and peaceful with Jack and Kate married raising Aaron or Kate and Sawyer together raising Aaron and Clemintine, etc. This show is hard core in its own way and there is a very limited choice of outcomes. Fade to black. Fini.

Wait. Say that again, please, NotSo...
Are you saying Des was NOT supposed to turn the key?? And that the world WAS supposed to end with him not turning it???:confused:

LOSTintheFlood
01-20-2009, 04:25 AM
Somewhere along the lines we must find out how the Monster (black smoke) plays into the inner workings of the Island. I believe that in leaving the Island on terms that contrasted that of Jacob's chaos has set in on the Island. I want to believe that people are allowed to leave the Island but only on terms set by Ben, who is acting on Jacob's behalf. This would explain why Ben is so determined to keep everyone in line and following him. Now that people have escaped the island, the only way to calm the monster within is to have them return in order for control to be restored to the powers of the island

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
01-22-2009, 12:22 PM
Somewhere along the lines we must find out how the Monster (black smoke) plays into the inner workings of the Island. I believe that in leaving the Island on terms that contrasted that of Jacob's chaos has set in on the Island. I want to believe that people are allowed to leave the Island but only on terms set by Ben, who is acting on Jacob's behalf. This would explain why Ben is so determined to keep everyone in line and following him. Now that people have escaped the island, the only way to calm the monster within is to have them return in order for control to be restored to the powers of the island

THat is absolutely correct, Flood.:)

Lenae7
01-23-2009, 08:42 PM
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Another good example of this is Micheal, the universe would not let him die as he still had somthing to do (Blow up the ship).



Just thought of something, (going back to some of my thoughts and in other topics) maybe the reason Micheal was able to die is because at that point in time he was in the radius of the island. Or maybe he isn't dead? We are still left with questions if Jin is really dead or not as well. But, dead or alive is not my point. I am thinking more along the line that he was able to die because he was in a specific radius of the island. Where as he could not die off the island.

Pelegrin_1
01-24-2009, 01:18 AM
Not for themselves, and for the other Losties still on the Islands is only secondary. They must go back for the Others, for Ms Hawking, and for whoever else they are part of, and I guess for the Islands which the existance of the Others depends on. As I said earlier, they have to go back because they've been convinced that they have to, and perhaps also because of their consciences about leaving many of their companions behind.