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01-20-2009, 07:35 PM
What if Charles Widmore is the original captain of the Blackrock? Explains how he knows about the island and why he cant get back to it. Also explains his interest in the the 1st mates journal from the Blackrock. And there are many more connections Widmore wants to destroy Dharma why? Hanzo knew about the island via the 1st mates journal cause Hanzo was the one auctioning it. If Dharma found the island then Widmore wouldnt want them around either. Thus his hate for Ben the leader of the other/continuation of the old Dharma project. just a thought let me know what you think.
01-20-2009, 10:27 PM
How is Ben continuing the DI. The Purge was to get rid of the DI and Ben was part of the Purge including the murdering of his father, even referenced the stations as being used for "silly experiments" by the DI. I think that Whidmore was the last leader of the Island and was sent off and than Ben became the leader after that. Ben made the comment that he wasnt always the leader. Also in the deleted scenes when he was playing, I think, Chess with Jack said that he hadnt had much competion for some time. I am thinking he was talking about Whidmore as his competion. Perhaps Whidmore was aware of the purge and instead of being destroyed with it he chose to move the island to get off it knowing he had the money and resources to eventually find it. I know crazy ideas but just my thoughts.
01-21-2009, 12:38 AM
I never thought about that but it sounds like a good theory. Hopefully we will find out more about him in future episodes. I hope he gets his own episode filled with fast forwards and flash backs!
01-21-2009, 03:37 AM
In the episode where Ben tells Widmore that he was going to kill Penny Mr Widmore says "The Island is mine Ben it always has been" or something like that. I assumed he was probably the black Rock Captain or that he was punished on the island much like Juliet with the branding her skin, and he had to turn the wheel.
01-21-2009, 07:18 AM
in reference to the question about ben still leading the DI. My thoughts there where that as far as we know Widmore knows Ben is the leader of the island and nothing more. As far as we know Widmore does not know what happened to the original DI thus we can assume that he assumes that Ben took the original island people and what was left of the DI joined them and now leads both groups. But i know that there is a connection with Hanzo owning the 1st mates journal and Widmore buying it back (with and certain i need that book look in his eyes).
01-21-2009, 05:31 PM
Magnus Hanso was the great grandfather of Alvar Hanso (as revealed by Javier Grillo-Marxuach ). A 19th century sea captain and shipping merchant, he possibly commanded the Black Rock. The blast door map suggests he was buried on the Island near the site of the ship wreckage.
Excerpt from New World Sea Traders about Magnus comes almost entirely from a book excerpt revealed by Rachel Blake in her second Copenhagen blog entry: “ With Magnus Hanso's sale of the New World Sea Traders, an era in British shipping drew to a close. Whether history will judge him harshly for his continued role in the slave trade post-abolition remains to be seen. However, with Hanso's unquestionable dedication to his fleet, it is certain that this ship's captain turned entrepreneur left a substantial mark on the international shipping trade. For, although he could have rested on his laurels and steered the company from the quiet and comfort of his London manor, Hanso's passion for the sea inspired him to continue as captain of several voyages each year.
It is an interesting footnote, and, perhaps, a testament to Hanso's lasting influence that those slips from which the New World Sea Traders operated at Portsmouth, numbering 18 through 27, continued to be known during the following era of the East Ocean Trade Group as the "New World Docks," a point... (excerpt ends)
Another site revealed in the same blog post , stated that the Black Rock set off from slip 23 in Portsmouth, thus suggesting that Magnus Hanso did indeed own the ship.
After selling the New World Sea Traders company to the East Ocean Trade Group, the company would later be purchased in the 1950s by the Hanso Group, renaming it to the Allied Copenhagen Marine Merchants.
The blast door map contains the notation "known final resting place of Magnus Hanso/Black Rock", suggesting Magnus Hanso indeed owned the Black Rock ship, and that he was likely on board when the vessel crashed on the Island.
Just one more little tid bit. Magnus is the Dutch translation of the surname deGroot. They both mean "The Great." Now, you do remember the deGroots, right? So, it's doubtful that Charles Widmore was the captain of the Black Rock. Highly doubtful. One of his ancestors may have been onboard the Black Rock. Perhaps that is how he knows. Charles is old but he doesn't look 150!
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