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[LostFreak21]

I think that Jack and Ben set Kate up with the men coming for the blood work. They, Jack and Ben, knew she couldn't give it and would agree to go with them back to the Island.

[Monkey-Hands]

Could be possible.

[notsolost42]

More likely that Claire's mother had something to do with it. Maybe she became suspiscious about Kate's baby.

[coffefrap]

I think that Jack and Ben set Kate up with the men coming for the blood work. They, Jack and Ben, knew she couldn't give it and would agree to go with them back to the Island.

I have been thinking the same thing......

[LostFreak21]

I really don't think "more likely" Claires Mother. I think Jack knew Kate would never want to go back and he knew she would protect Aaron. Ben always has a plan. Hey Notsolost42 I say black and I bet you say- no, white!

[persistentlylost]

It was Ben. When he told Jack he would help him convince Kate to come back thats what he meant. Its a classic Ben manipulation. He wants it to be her idea. Just like he convinced Sayid that his wife was killed by someone associated with Widmore...which made Sayid volunteer to become Ben's assasin. I am interested to see how he manipulates Sun. The obvious angle is to tell her that Jin survived and he will die if she doesn't return.

[BensBaby]

I agree that is probably Ben who set that up. However, could it also be Widmore maybe trying to follow one of them back? Just a thought, I'm still going with Ben doing that. He always does have a plan.

I know how could Widmore know that the baby is not Kates but Ben knows things so Widmore could know things too.

[notsolost42]

It was Ben. When he told Jack he would help him convince Kate to come back thats what he meant. Its a classic Ben manipulation. He wants it to be her idea. Just like he convinced Sayid that his wife was killed by someone associated with Widmore...which made Sayid volunteer to become Ben's assasin. I am interested to see how he manipulates Sun. The obvious angle is to tell her that Jin survived and he will die if she doesn't return.

Actually, Ben told Jack he would work on getting Kate to talk to him. He never said anything about helping to convince her to go back to the island. Rewatch my friend. Ben did not convince Sayid that Nadia was killed by an associate of Widmore, she was and he pointed it out to him. He just reaped the rewards and manipulated Sayid after the fact. Ben will not manipulate Sun. She is going to work with Charles Widmore against Ben. Sun holds Ben accountable for Jin's death along with her father. That will be her motivation to go back. She wants to find Ben also.

Lostfreak...I am not argumentative. I just pay attention for the most part!

[coffefrap]

Actually, Ben told Jack he would work on getting Kate to talk to him. He never said anything about helping to convince her to go back to the island. Rewatch my friend. Ben did not convince Sayid that Nadia was killed by an associate of Widmore, she was and he pointed it out to him. He just reaped the rewards and manipulated Sayid after the fact. Ben will not manipulate Sun. She is going to work with Charles Widmore against Ben. Sun holds Ben accountable for Jin's death along with her father. That will be her motivation to go back. She wants to find Ben also.

Lostfreak...I am not argumentative. I just pay attention for the most part!

I agree.....Sun is going after Ben.....I can't imagine that he would be able to sway her to his side.....

[LostFreak21]

I guess I thought they were trying to get every one of the o6 to go back.
I guess I thought Kate said she never wanted to go back.
What would make her want to get out of there...some person trying to get Aaron away from her.
Who always has a plan for everything- Ben.
Doesn't she say they are going on a vacation to Aaron or didn't I pay attention? I could very well be wrong but I bet no person on here is totaly right unles you are one of the writers.

[persistentlylost]

It could be Widmore. We don't know much about his M.O. other than he hires mercenaries to attack the island.

Makes me wonder if Abbadon and Ms. Hawking are associated with Ben, Widmore, the island or some other force on the island.

[persistentlylost]

Actually, Ben told Jack he would work on getting Kate to talk to him. He never said anything about helping to convince her to go back to the island. Rewatch my friend. Ben did not convince Sayid that Nadia was killed by an associate of Widmore, she was and he pointed it out to him. He just reaped the rewards and manipulated Sayid after the fact. Ben will not manipulate Sun. She is going to work with Charles Widmore against Ben. Sun holds Ben accountable for Jin's death along with her father. That will be her motivation to go back. She wants to find Ben also.

Lostfreak...I am not argumentative. I just pay attention for the most part!

The only thing Ben pointed out to Sayid is that that man was in LA the day Nadia was killed. Ben definitely took advantage of the situation, but I don't know that he proved who killed Nadia.

Sun said she blamed her father and someone else for Jin's death. I thought you didn't assume anything notso. What's to say Widmore is not the man she blames? Jin was killed because Widmore's boat blew up. Sun doesn't know about the dead man trigger or that Ben killed Keamy. This show is all about manipulation. Maybe Sun is manipulating Widmore.

[notsolost42]

The only thing Ben pointed out to Sayid is that that man was in LA the day Nadia was killed. Ben definitely took advantage of the situation, but I don't know that he proved who killed Nadia.

Sun said she blamed her father and someone else for Jin's death. I thought you didn't assume anything notso. What's to say Widmore is not the man she blames? Jin was killed because Widmore's boat blew up. Sun doesn't know about the dead man trigger or that Ben killed Keamy. This show is all about manipulation. Maybe Sun is manipulating Widmore.

Persistant, listen I did say that Ben pointed out who killed Nadia not proved who killed her. Read it again! So, I guess we are agreeing?

Also, I am not assuming anything about Sun. On the commentary one of TPTB slipped and said that Sun blamed Ben for Jin's death along with her father. Ben was the person that let everyone on the freighter die because he didn't care. He only wanted to avenge Alex's death. It does make perfect sense if you stop to think about it. Besides, you have no idea of what has transpired in between the freighter blowing up and Sun going into her fathers office and telling him she blamed him as one of the two people responsible for Jin's death. At that point I believe it was pointed out that Sun was six months pregnant. When she left the island she was about two months pregnant. That would leave a time gap of four months and you do not know what she may have learned in that time. We have yet to find that out! Who knows? She may have been approached by Ben or maybe she even saw Michael's ghost! We just don't know!

[Live_together_die_alone]

Actually, Ben told Jack he would work on getting Kate to talk to him. He never said anything about helping to convince her to go back to the island. Rewatch my friend. Ben did not convince Sayid that Nadia was killed by an associate of Widmore, she was and he pointed it out to him. He just reaped the rewards and manipulated Sayid after the fact. Ben will not manipulate Sun. She is going to work with Charles Widmore against Ben. Sun holds Ben accountable for Jin's death along with her father. That will be her motivation to go back. She wants to find Ben also.

Lostfreak...I am not argumentative. I just pay attention for the most part!

He never had full proof that the guy who killed Nadia was connected to Widmore, he just had proof that he Killed her and then said that he was hired by Widmore, which could easily be a lie.

[lostie108]

i have to believe it is one of bens few ideas that he told jack he had on how to get them back . and this is the only way they could get kate to leave her new life is by threatening that very way of life she so desires . there is no way it is claires mom . or whidmore or anyone else in my humble opinion . the whole bens plan fits all to well .

[lostie108]

I agree that is probably Ben who set that up. However, could it also be Widmore maybe trying to follow one of them back? Just a thought, I'm still going with Ben doing that. He always does have a plan.

I know how could Widmore know that the baby is not Kates but Ben knows things so Widmore could know things too.

the only plausible explanation for whidmore knowing anything is that sun has spilled her guts to him to form an alliance against ben linus .

[persistentlylost]

Persistant, listen I did say that Ben pointed out who killed Nadia not proved who killed her. Read it again! So, I guess we are agreeing?

Also, I am not assuming anything about Sun. On the commentary one of TPTB slipped and said that Sun blamed Ben for Jin's death along with her father. Ben was the person that let everyone on the freighter die because he didn't care. He only wanted to avenge Alex's death. It does make perfect sense if you stop to think about it. Besides, you have no idea of what has transpired in between the freighter blowing up and Sun going into her fathers office and telling him she blamed him as one of the two people responsible for Jin's death. At that point I believe it was pointed out that Sun was six months pregnant. When she left the island she was about two months pregnant. That would leave a time gap of four months and you do not know what she may have learned in that time. We have yet to find that out! Who knows? She may have been approached by Ben or maybe she even saw Michael's ghost! We just don't know!

Sorry if I misunderstood. When you said "she was" I thought you meant there was proof that she was killed by the man Ben pointed out. She may very well have been. I just don't think we know...or ever will for sure...who killed Nadia. Its immaterial. I find myself doubting that anything Ben says is true.

Thanks for the skinny on the commentary. Is that from the dvds? Maybe I should buy those. They seem to be full of info. Since I can rewatch online I haven't bought the dvds.

The reason I suggest Ben will manipulate Sun is that all 06 have to go back for anyone to go back.

[notsolost42]

the only plausible explanation for whidmore knowing anything is that sun has spilled her guts to him to form an alliance against ben linus .

Sun is too smart to "spill her guts" to Charles Widmore about Aaron. Sun has a very dark side and wouldn't be that stupid. She would not let Charles Widmore see her whole hand in this card game, if you know what I mean.
There are many plausible reasons...not just one.

[notsolost42]

He never had full proof that the guy who killed Nadia was connected to Widmore, he just had proof that he Killed her and then said that he was hired by Widmore, which could easily be a lie.

Look, Ben led Sayid to believe that the guy standing on the corner in Bagdad was the guy that killed Nadia. He showed Sayid his picture taken from running a red light at an intersection right near where Nadia was killed in L. A. Ben also stated that the guy worked for Charles Widmore. Ben led Sayid down a path and Sayid drew his own conclusions that he killed Nadia. Ben had no proof of who the real killer was. Most likely, it was the guy but a photo of him running a red light near where she was killed is circumstantial at best. It doesn't prove anything.

[notsolost42]

Sorry if I misunderstood. When you said "she was" I thought you meant there was proof that she was killed by the man Ben pointed out. She may very well have been. I just don't think we know...or ever will for sure...who killed Nadia. Its immaterial. I find myself doubting that anything Ben says is true.

Thanks for the skinny on the commentary. Is that from the dvds? Maybe I should buy those. They seem to be full of info. Since I can rewatch online I haven't bought the dvds.

The reason I suggest Ben will manipulate Sun is that all 06 have to go back for anyone to go back.

But Sun wants to kill Ben. I bet Ben figures that out pretty quick! So, I don't think he will be manipulating her like that. Actually, I can't wait to see the games that Sun and Ben will play.
Yes, the DVD's were worth it. But they are expensive. I got a good deal from ABC.com before the release date. They were cheaper than the stores, came with some free Dharma junk and had free shipping. I couldn't pass it up. I don't have a computer at home so I can't rewatch online. It was my only choice if I wanted to watch again and oh, how I wanted to watch again!

[beachblinkette]

Part of the genius of Lost is that they insert character flaws (like Sun blaming the maid for what Sun had broken) then later they can use them to spin the character in a certain way you might not expect. It's just what keeps us slightly off-balance in this show. Can't help loving that Lost of mine! Now in keeping with tonight, a few verses of Stormy Weather......Oh, don't know why there's no sun up in the sky, Stormy Weatherrrrr........Getting crazy here!!!LOL

[losttime]

Actually, Ben told Jack he would work on getting Kate to talk to him. He never said anything about helping to convince her to go back to the island. Rewatch my friend. Ben did not convince Sayid that Nadia was killed by an associate of Widmore, she was and he pointed it out to him. He just reaped the rewards and manipulated Sayid after the fact. Ben will not manipulate Sun. She is going to work with Charles Widmore against Ben. Sun holds Ben accountable for Jin's death along with her father. That will be her motivation to go back. She wants to find Ben also.

Lostfreak...I am not argumentative. I just pay attention for the most part!

Maybe she is setting Whidmore up for Ben. Maybe Ben spoke to Sun and told her how all this came about and how her husband is alive. Maybe Sun is working for Ben to help him find Penelope. Would Sun really risk having everyone killed on the Island just for her to get back at Ben?

[notsolost42]

"...Since my man and I ain't together.......Keeps raining all the time...."

Hey, rain? What did Harold Arlen know about the island? I wonder if he also heard whispers????

[BensBaby]

What if we are all wrong, maybe Sun is after Locke! Could explain why he is dead now. Just a thought.

[beachblinkette]

"...Since my man and I ain't together.......Keeps raining all the time...."

Hey, rain? What did Harold Arlen know about the island? I wonder if he also heard whispers????

Can't help loving that Lost of mine.......!!! Sing it, Notso!! Are we a couple of loons over this show or what? Have fun tonight!!LOL

[notsolost42]

Can't help loving that Lost of mine.......!!! Sing it, Notso!! Are we a couple of loons over this show or what? Have fun tonight!!LOL

You too, Beach!!! Have a great time!

[LostFreak21]

I think that Jack and Ben set Kate up with the men coming for the blood work. They, Jack and Ben, knew she couldn't give it and would agree to go with them back to the Island.
I thought this was what was going on.

[Baibe]

I guess I thought Kate said she never wanted to go back.

What episode was that in S4 when Claire told Kate not to bring Aaron back to the island? Kate thought someone was in the house and then Claire is sitting in the chair.

Was that real or part of Kate's imagination and her not really wanting to go back to the island?

[LostFreak21]

Maybe Claire was "traveling"?

[FredEx919]

Am I the only one that thinks Aaron will get abducted next week?? We see last night Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Ben talking. We then See Sun in the car with Aaron as she pulls out her gun and gets out. Now it is still yet to be seen, but it looks to me like she will make the mistake of leaving Aaron in the car while she goes after Ben. Does anyone else think that Aaron might get snatched during all the commotion between Sun and Ben???