Mrs. Hawking

[notsolost42]

You all know how much I like the Mrs. Hawking character. I find her fascinating. So, there was a huge revelation about Mrs. Hawking and Daniel Faraday last night if you listened carefully and remembered past details.

MRS. HAWKING IS DANIEL FARADAY'S MOTHER!!!

Absolutely, 100% certain of this fact!

We see her facing the chaulk board scratching out a piece of a quantum equation somewhere under the Temple. We only realize that it is her when she goes upstairs and we also see Ben. So, keep in mind her knowledge of quantum physics.

Prior to that we see Daniel knock on the Swan's door and tell Desmond that he has to go find his mother at Oxford when he gets back. He begins to say her name but we don't hear it. Keep this in mind.

Now, remember that picture on Brother Campbell's desk? The one of him and Mrs. Hawking, in front of what we had a very long discussion about that is at Oxford?

So, 1 + 1 always = 2 in my books!

Mrs. Hawking and most likely Brother Campbell are the parents of Daniel Faraday. Daniel appears to have been part of the DI in the day. I will safely assume that Mrs. Hawking and Brother Campbell were also. I would feel safe to say that they were scientists in the DI. I still believe that they are time lords though. And I still believe that they are Adam and Eve.

What a fantastic season opening!!!

[Missie]

I think the majority of the board agrees with you... that Mrs. Hawking is Daniel mother. (just from what Ive read in other forums so far.)
I wonder what Desmond will think when he meets up with her.
She is definalty an interesting character, and confusing! Now, Im starting to think that she is on the same level as Jacob. Maybe the off island Jacob?

[LostFreak21]

So that is why Mrs. Hawking told Desmond he couldn't marry Penny? She already knew the future?

[ortrules]

Excellent thoughts. My only comment is, if Mrs. Hawking is Dan's mother, then why is he learning everything about time travel on his own?

[Missie]

Excellent thoughts. My only comment is, if Mrs. Hawking is Dan's mother, then why is he learning everything about time travel on his own?

Who said it was on his own?

[BensBaby]

It does look like Desmond and Penny are wearing wedding rings when he is having the dream about the Island. Which doesn't mean they are married but it does look that way.

[notsolost42]

Excellent thoughts. My only comment is, if Mrs. Hawking is Dan's mother, then why is he learning everything about time travel on his own?

Daniel said that everything he knew about the DI and time travel and quantum physics was in his journal. I don't think it means he learned it on his own exactly.

[ortrules]

Daniel said that everything he knew about the DI and time travel and quantum physics was in his journal. I don't think it means he learned it on his own exactly.

I got the impression he learned it all on his own.

When Desmond went to Oxford during the constant, Dan was still trying to experiment with Eloise. Then last night we saw him in the past with Dr. Candle. Both these events explain how he knows about time travel and how he knows about the Dharma Initiative - both of which he would no doubt document in his own journal. So it seems to me that everything he's learned, he's learned on his own.

I could be wrong here, of course, but that's what I got out of it.

[1hourisntlongenough]

I also believe that Mrs Hawking is Faraday's mother....but I am confused about something. Hopefully someone will help me here.... If she is Daniel's mom and is working WITH Ben, then are we to believe that she and Daniel are working against each other?? On the island Daniel seems to be working to destroy Ben's plans.....off the island Ben is seeking help/instruction from Mrs Hawking.
Am I right, or did I miss something somewhere???:confused:

[coffefrap]

I think the majority of the board agrees with you... that Mrs. Hawking is Daniel mother. (just from what Ive read in other forums so far.)
I wonder what Desmond will think when he meets up with her.
She is definalty an interesting character, and confusing! Now, Im starting to think that she is on the same level as Jacob. Maybe the off island Jacob?

I was thinking the same thing...."off the island Jacob...." God, I love this show :)

[coffefrap]

So that is why Mrs. Hawking told Desmond he couldn't marry Penny? She already knew the future?

Oh that's right......she did tell him something to the effect of not marrying Penny....

[WontonCricket]

We know that Daniel knows that time travel exists, but what I think he was trying to do at Oxford was harness the power of it so that time travel can exist outside of the island. So, he knows all that he needs to know, he just needed to figure out how to put it all together.

[Monkey-Hands]

You all know how much I like the Mrs. Hawking character. I find her fascinating. So, there was a huge revelation about Mrs. Hawking and Daniel Faraday last night if you listened carefully and remembered past details.

MRS. HAWKING IS DANIEL FARADAY'S MOTHER!!!

Absolutely, 100% certain of this fact!

We see her facing the chaulk board scratching out a piece of a quantum equation somewhere under the Temple. We only realize that it is her when she goes upstairs and we also see Ben. So, keep in mind her knowledge of quantum physics.

Prior to that we see Daniel knock on the Swan's door and tell Desmond that he has to go find his mother at Oxford when he gets back. He begins to say her name but we don't hear it. Keep this in mind.

Now, remember that picture on Brother Campbell's desk? The one of him and Mrs. Hawking, in front of what we had a very long discussion about that is at Oxford?

So, 1 + 1 always = 2 in my books!

Mrs. Hawking and most likely Brother Campbell are the parents of Daniel Faraday. Daniel appears to have been part of the DI in the day. I will safely assume that Mrs. Hawking and Brother Campbell were also. I would feel safe to say that they were scientists in the DI. I still believe that they are time lords though. And I still believe that they are Adam and Eve.

What a fantastic season opening!!!

I thought that Daniel may have time traveled from the future to the DI time. At least that's how it looked to me. But that scene alone was totally awesome!!!

[5starboss]

...equation somewhere under the Temple. ...!!!

Alot of us think she has a druid/relgious appearance. I speculate her role involves the Island's spiritual matters which likely include special knowledge of physics, quantum whatevrs, and spinny whizzer gadgets of all types.

[Snape]

I don't have a DVR of the episode so I have to ask...when Daniel is talking to Desmond and says "Go find my mother, her name is..." and we can't hear him say a name, is it possible to tell what he's saying by lip-reading? Or does the flash of light block that out?

[5starboss]

IDK, i wonder if closed captioning might spell out the 1st few letters...(I'm at work so I can't check my dvr)

[LostFreak21]

Maybe Ben is working for Mrs. Hawkings?

[FredEx919]

Could it be possible that Mrs. Hawkins is on the side of Widmore?

We know that Faraday came to the island ultimatley under the order of Widmore (or so it seems), and it's looking like maybe Mrs. Hawkins is faradays mother...

also in the past, she has told desmond that he can not marry Penny, and felt pretty strong about that subject, and we also know that Widmore was definatley against Desmond marrying Penny.

Last, it seems that she knows how to return to the island and the frieghter people knew how to get to the island....

Now I know Ben always has the upper hand in most situations and thus far has been one step ahead of everyone else, but I'm not so sure he has the upper hand when off the island. I'm thinking that in terms of being off the island, Widmore would be the more resourceful of the two. So maybe Mrs. hawkins is double crossing Ben?

[jodiego]

OK, so the lady talking to Ben at the end was Daniel Farraday's mom. Supposedly she is at Oxford, a university in England. So how did Ben get from Los Angeles to England so damn fast??? Is it that Time Travel Thing again?

[Missie]

OK, so the lady talking to Ben at the end was Daniel Farraday's mom. Supposedly she is at Oxford, a university in England. So how did Ben get from Los Angeles to England so damn fast??? Is it that Time Travel Thing again?

Maybe Faraday thinks she is in Oxford but really she is in LA helping Ben.

[ortrules]

OK, so the lady talking to Ben at the end was Daniel Farraday's mom. Supposedly she is at Oxford, a university in England. So how did Ben get from Los Angeles to England so damn fast??? Is it that Time Travel Thing again?

You need to also remember that the present day is 2007/2008. The Oceanic 6 have been off the island for 3 years.

When Daniel talked to Desmond in the past, that was before Flight 815 crashed, so it was anywhere between 3-6 years prior to Ben meeting Mrs. Hawking in the present. That gives her plenty of time to relocate to LA.

[Missie]

You need to also remember that the present day is 2007/2008. The Oceanic 6 have been off the island for 3 years.

When Daniel talked to Desmond in the past, that was before Flight 815 crashed, so it was anywhere between 3-6 years prior to Ben meeting Mrs. Hawking in the present. That gives her plenty of time to relocate to LA.

No Penny says something along the lines of youve been off the island for 3 years.

[ortrules]

No Penny says something along the lines of youve been off the island for 3 years.

Right. And when he was on the island, over 3 years ago before Flight 815 crashed, Dan said to look for his mother in Oxford. So 3 or more years pass before Desmond goes looking for Dan's mom in Oxford - and that's plenty of time for her to move or relocate to LA. Desmond hasn't found her in Oxford yet, that's just where he's going because that's the latest location he knew.

[Brother Desmond]

Right. And when he was on the island, over 3 years ago before Flight 815 crashed, Dan said to look for his mother in Oxford. So 3 or more years pass before Desmond goes looking for Dan's mom in Oxford - and that's plenty of time for her to move or relocate to LA. Desmond hasn't found her in Oxford yet, that's just where he's going because that's the latest location he knew.

I'm guessing Faraday made contact with Desmond after Kelvin died. If Kelvin was still alive, he wouldn't have let Desmond investigate the source of the banging. So Daniel gave Desmond his message at least 3 years before Desmond goes looking for Daniel's mother. It is more than likely there is a little more than 3 years between Desmond receiving the message, and actually beginning the search, plenty of time for Ms. Hawking, (if that is Faraday's mother), to relocate.

[butterflygardengirl]

I totally agree that she is Faraday's mother.

[butterflygardengirl]

Oh that's right......she did tell him something to the effect of not marrying Penny....

Been trying to figure out where I had seen Mrs. Hawking. That helped. Alot. LOL It was REALLY bugging me.

[The_Hoff]

I got the impression he learned it all on his own.

When Desmond went to Oxford during the constant, Dan was still trying to experiment with Eloise. Then last night we saw him in the past with Dr. Candle. Both these events explain how he knows about time travel and how he knows about the Dharma Initiative - both of which he would no doubt document in his own journal. So it seems to me that everything he's learned, he's learned on his own.

I could be wrong here, of course, but that's what I got out of it.

My question would be that if he was there in the beginning of the building of the Orchid and possibly knew about the access to cause the island to move and the time travel this brought about, why would he have such a hard time duplicating his experiment with Eloise at Oxford? Could the fact that he was without a constant or the powers of the island caused him to forget what he knew so he only had a minimal amount of knowledge left to try and run his research however he got back to Oxford from the Island?

I would say based on the fact that Widmore recruited him to be on the boat, that shows enough proof that he is working against Ben. I'm still not sold on the church lady being Dan's mom though. It seems way to easy a fit and as we have all experienced, the easy answer is never the right one when it comes to the show we know as "LOST".

[butterflygardengirl]

I also believe that Mrs Hawking is Faraday's mother....but I am confused about something. Hopefully someone will help me here.... If she is Daniel's mom and is working WITH Ben, then are we to believe that she and Daniel are working against each other?? On the island Daniel seems to be working to destroy Ben's plans.....off the island Ben is seeking help/instruction from Mrs Hawking.
Am I right, or did I miss something somewhere???:confused:

Here is my theory on that...

I don't believe Faraday knows why he was supposed to be looking for Ben (originally). I think Widmore kept them in the dark, in that respect. However, I also believe that Faraday knows Ben was part of the Dharma Initiative (because he was part of it too) and that something went wrong. I believe he left the island (kind of obvious) before Ben killed all the Dharma Initiative people and went there (on the freighter) to a) find Ben for Widmore and B) figure out (more for himself than anyone or anything else) what the secret of the island is. I don't think that he is working against Ben. I think he is working towards finding the value surrounding the mystery of the island more than anything else and that would be in line with his mother even if she is with Ben.

[The_Hoff]

I'm guessing Faraday made contact with Desmond after Kelvin died. If Kelvin was still alive, he wouldn't have let Desmond investigate the source of the banging. So Daniel gave Desmond his message at least 3 years before Desmond goes looking for Daniel's mother. It is more than likely there is a little more than 3 years between Desmond receiving the message, and actually beginning the search, plenty of time for Ms. Hawking, (if that is Faraday's mother), to relocate.

Kelvin could be alive; but asleep at the time. I found it weird that Desmond answered the door in his nuclear gear since he found out by following Kelvin so long ago that the outside isn't dangerous and it was just a front put on by Kelvin.

[Chicagoish]

I was just looking at some screen caps from Docarzt's page. Why is the Computer in Mrs. Hawkin's/Dan's Mom's scene so DATED? It's like a 1984 Commodor or something? T
Is the meeting between Ben and Mrs. Hawkings taking place in the 1980s?? Or even Dharma time on the island?? This leads me to think that Mrs. Hawkings is NOT Dan's Mom, but Lost wants you to jump to that conclusion... who knows!!

http://www.docarzt.com/nggallery/post/season-5-premiere-screen-caps/page/168/

[vanished]

One thing to point out...

I do think that Hawking is Faraday's mother.

However, I think Hawking is definitely in Oxford. When Faraday told Desmond to go to Oxford Faraday was in the present and Desmond was in the past - meaning that Hawking was indeed in Oxford in the present stream of time.

[butterflygardengirl]

Could it be possible that Mrs. Hawkins is on the side of Widmore?

We know that Faraday came to the island ultimatley under the order of Widmore (or so it seems), and it's looking like maybe Mrs. Hawkins is faradays mother...

also in the past, she has told desmond that he can not marry Penny, and felt pretty strong about that subject, and we also know that Widmore was definatley against Desmond marrying Penny.

Last, it seems that she knows how to return to the island and the frieghter people knew how to get to the island....

Now I know Ben always has the upper hand in most situations and thus far has been one step ahead of everyone else, but I'm not so sure he has the upper hand when off the island. I'm thinking that in terms of being off the island, Widmore would be the more resourceful of the two. So maybe Mrs. hawkins is double crossing Ben?

I believe Widmore knows how to find the island (and doesn't want anyone else to find it... hence creating the whole no survivor plane crash) because he was the one who founded the Dharma Initiative. And (I said it before but I will say it again) I think that he wants Ben simply to "pay" for screwing up his whole Dharma Initiative gig.

[ortrules]

I was just looking at some screen caps from Docarzt's page. Why is the Computer in Mrs. Hawkin's/Dan's Mom's scene so DATED? It's like a 1984 Commodor or something? T
Is the meeting between Ben and Mrs. Hawkings taking place in the 1980s?? Or even Dharma time on the island??

http://www.docarzt.com/nggallery/post/season-5-premiere-screen-caps/page/168/

That computer is very similar to the old computer they used in the hatch to push the button every 108 minutes. I think those computers are still used because Dharma was purged in the 80s and it's likely that Ben and company didn't want to mess with what they had established for fear of breaking it - so they just continued to use the outdated technology.

[notsolost42]

Mrs. Hawking was once at Oxford, just like Daniel was. Remember the photo of her and Brother Campbell standing in front of the same hallway as at Oxford. There are many postings about it from me. A very long discussion.
I do strongly believe that Mrs. Hawking, Brother Campbell, Ben, Richard and who knows who else just yet are the good guys and are trying to keep the islands secrets secret! They are not working for Charles Widmore, Alvar Hanso or Mr. Paik. They are all trying to find the island again.

[ortrules]

However, I think Hawking is definitely in Oxford. When Faraday told Desmond to go to Oxford Faraday was in the present and Desmond was in the past - meaning that Hawking was indeed in Oxford in the present stream of time.

Faraday and the island present day is early 2005. It wasn't until 3 years after Desmond got off the island (2008-ish) that he begins his search for Dan's mother. In 3 years, she could have easily moved.

[Brother Desmond]

Kelvin could be alive; but asleep at the time. I found it weird that Desmond answered the door in his nuclear gear since he found out by following Kelvin so long ago that the outside isn't dangerous and it was just a front put on by Kelvin.

True, I'm still leaning towards Kelvin being dead though. As for why Desmond wore his protective suit, I think he was still warry of the "sickness" after he followed Kelvin to the Elizabeth. On the night the survivors blew open the hatch door we see Desmond injecting himself with the vaccine just before the explosion shakes the entire hatch. And when he was leaving the hatch for good, he packed vaccine in the bag in case he needed it.

[notsolost42]

Faraday and the island present day is early 2005. It wasn't until 3 years after Desmond got off the island (2008-ish) that he begins his search for Dan's mother. In 3 years, she could have easily moved.

But obviously he knows she does not. He is time jumping and he has experimented with it so much before. Now I understand completely why he cried when he saw the fake flight 815 crash on the news! Oh no!!! Here I go again!!!!

[ortrules]

But obviously he knows she does not. He is time jumping and he has experimented with it so much before. Now I understand completely why he cried when he saw the fake flight 815 crash on the news! Oh no!!! Here I go again!!!!

There is absolutely no evidence to support that Daniel was time jumping prior to his arrival on the island - unless you are to say he somehow built a miniature island of his own. Everyone who is "time traveling" is doing so because of the island.

[lostlindy]

You all know how much I like the Mrs. Hawking character. I find her fascinating. So, there was a huge revelation about Mrs. Hawking and Daniel Faraday last night if you listened carefully and remembered past details.

MRS. HAWKING IS DANIEL FARADAY'S MOTHER!!!

Absolutely, 100% certain of this fact!

We see her facing the chaulk board scratching out a piece of a quantum equation somewhere under the Temple. We only realize that it is her when she goes upstairs and we also see Ben. So, keep in mind her knowledge of quantum physics.

Prior to that we see Daniel knock on the Swan's door and tell Desmond that he has to go find his mother at Oxford when he gets back. He begins to say her name but we don't hear it. Keep this in mind.

Now, remember that picture on Brother Campbell's desk? The one of him and Mrs. Hawking, in front of what we had a very long discussion about that is at Oxford?

So, 1 + 1 always = 2 in my books!

Mrs. Hawking and most likely Brother Campbell are the parents of Daniel Faraday. Daniel appears to have been part of the DI in the day. I will safely assume that Mrs. Hawking and Brother Campbell were also. I would feel safe to say that they were scientists in the DI. I still believe that they are time lords though. And I still believe that they are Adam and Eve.

What a fantastic season opening!!!

That would explain alot about back when Des met Brother Cambell. Way back when he was explaining to his fiance why he did not marry her and why he joined the monastary, I think he was time traveling then. He told her he just *woke up* on the street and saw Bro. Cambell standing over him and he thought is was his calling. But in reality it was a time travel. Is that when Dan sent him to find his mother and he met Penny instead?

[notsolost42]

There is absolutely no evidence to support that Daniel was time jumping prior to his arrival on the island - unless you are to say he somehow built a miniature island of his own. Everyone who is "time traveling" is doing so because of the island.

Ort, I am sorry but with all due respect you have not been correct about many of the spacetime related theories you have made. I have been pretty much exact. So, what I am saying is that Daniel has been traveling in spacetime or maybe he is like his mommy...a time lord type! I think he was on the island for a long time before our losties ever were.

[The_Hoff]

True, I'm still leaning towards Kelvin being dead though. As for why Desmond wore his protective suit, I think he was still warry of the "sickness" after he followed Kelvin to the Elizabeth. On the night the survivors blew open the hatch door we see Desmond injecting himself with the vaccine just before the explosion shakes the entire hatch. And when he was leaving the hatch for good, he packed vaccine in the bag in case he needed it.

Good catch. I forgot about the injections. Besides, Kelvin never let Desmond do anything even if Kelvin desided to sleep. I'm sure he would have had Desmond wake him up if anything funny happened and having someone knock at your back door would have been suspicious enough for Desmond to have not approached it alone.

By the way, was Desmond using the same gun on Farraday as the mystery peeps were using on Juliet and Sawyer? At least the same type of gun?

[LOSTLOST]

I'm guessing Faraday made contact with Desmond after Kelvin died. If Kelvin was still alive, he wouldn't have let Desmond investigate the source of the banging. So Daniel gave Desmond his message at least 3 years before Desmond goes looking for Daniel's mother. It is more than likely there is a little more than 3 years between Desmond receiving the message, and actually beginning the search, plenty of time for Ms. Hawking, (if that is Faraday's mother), to relocate.

But faraday was telling desmond this knowing desmond was going to remember this in his present day. Faraday knew where desmond was because he knew he got off the island. faradays mother must be at oxford

[The_Hoff]

I also believe that Farraday's mom (if that is his mom) is at Oxford. Of course Desmond only has 70 hours to sail to Oxford to find her though. :)

[Brother Desmond]

But faraday was telling desmond this knowing desmond was going to remember this in his present day. Faraday knew where desmond was because he knew he got off the island. faradays mother must be at oxford

Faraday knew Desmond would remember because of what happened to him when he turned the key in the Swan. Desmond is unstuck in time, just like the Island. Faraday himself said Desmond is special in regards to time travel because of this experience. I think when Faraday told Desmond to find his mother, he knew she was at Oxford at that period in time, she could have since left.

[notsolost42]

That would explain alot about back when Des met Brother Cambell. Way back when he was explaining to his fiance why he did not marry her and why he joined the monastary, I think he was time traveling then. He told her he just *woke up* on the street and saw Bro. Cambell standing over him and he thought is was his calling. But in reality it was a time travel. Is that when Dan sent him to find his mother and he met Penny instead?

Excellent catch! I forgot about that litte part! Yes, that adds yet another link in the chain!!!!

[Pelegrin_1]

I think we're being thrown a big red herring... that Ms Hawking is NOT Daniel's mother! IMO, being connected with Ben means that she's almost certainly not connected to Daniel!

[bunnydixon]

wow she is one mean mother!!! if faraday is indeed her son, then there he is putting himself through all kinda of everything to learn about time travel and she knows all along!!!

i also think its a huge assumption to assume that because daniel sent desmond to oxford to find his mother that she MUST be english. after all, he sent desmond to oxford before to find himself and he is american. people travel.....its true lol!

i am not saying she is absolutely not but i'm saying lets not jump to conclusions and say its a fact when its only really an idea/theory right now, there is no definitive proof yet.

also with regards to daniel being at the orchid construction site, it appeared to me that he was trying to conceal himself...like he wasnt meant to be there and he has travelled into the past to either find something or get info OR he is trying to amend something which then would make him a huge hypocrite after his you cant change a bean comment.....

[notsolost42]

wow she is one mean mother!!! if faraday is indeed her son, then there he is putting himself through all kinda of everything to learn about time travel and she knows all along!!!

i also think its a huge assumption to assume that because daniel sent desmond to oxford to find his mother that she MUST be english. after all, he sent desmond to oxford before to find himself and he is american. people travel.....its true lol!

i am not saying she is absolutely not but i'm saying lets not jump to conclusions and say its a fact when its only really an idea/theory right now, there is no definitive proof yet.

also with regards to daniel being at the orchid construction site, it appeared to me that he was trying to conceal himself...like he wasnt meant to be there and he has travelled into the past to either find something or get info OR he is trying to amend something which then would make him a huge hypocrite after his you cant change a bean comment.....

Bunny, the reason is not that Dan's mother must be English because she is at Oxford. It goes well beyond that. Mrs. Hawking displayed a vast knowledge of quantum physics when we saw her correcting a formula on the blackboard. We have also seen a photo of herself and Brother Campbell standing in the foreground of the same hallway at Oxford where we found Dan. There are many elements that came together to have drawn this conclusion.

[bunnydixon]

there may be a few things to suggest she is his mother or to lead us into speculating whether or not she is - but there is nothing that would set it in stone so i still dont think its fair to say its a fact. with what you just mentioned there, perhaps she was nothing more than a mentor or tutor to him? it does not prove anything.

[notsolost42]

there may be a few things to suggest she is his mother or to lead us into speculating whether or not she is - but there is nothing that would set it in stone so i still dont think its fair to say its a fact. with what you just mentioned there, perhaps she was nothing more than a mentor or tutor to him? it does not prove anything.

True Bunny, true. Like I said before...only TIME will tell!!! LOL!!!

[thelawgiver]

Okay, so here is Patchy's prediction about the show revealing Hawking to be Daniel's mother: A return to Daniel sitting in his chair and weeping when he sees the news that the Oceanic plane was found underwater. There was an unsen woman in the room. Remember? The new scene now pans to that woman--Mrs. Hawking!

[notsolost42]

Okay, so here is Patchy's prediction about the show revealing Hawking to be Daniel's mother: A return to Daniel sitting in his chair and weeping when he sees the news that the Oceanic plane was found underwater. There was an unsen woman in the room. Remember? The new scene now pans to that woman--Mrs. Hawking!

They've already established that it was a caregiver. Besides, her physique was wrong for Mrs. H. Good thought though. Keep trying!

[notsolost42]

I just had a thought about Mrs. Hawking as Mom. Let's kick this around a bit and see what we come up with.
What if she weren't literally Dan's mother. What if she was a professor of his back in Oxford or perhaps a colleague and that's what everyone called her! Some people have that type of personality and are just referred to in an endearing way. Well, she seems like a sweet, older woman and maybe that's the case.
What do you all say?

[Missie]

I just had a thought about Mrs. Hawking as Mom. Let's kick this around a bit and see what we come up with.
What if she weren't literally Dan's mother. What if she was a professor of his back in Oxford or perhaps a colleague and that's what everyone called her! Some people have that type of personality and are just referred to in an endearing way. Well, she seems like a sweet, older woman and maybe that's the case.
What do you all say?

I dont think so. Maybe if was just a sweet old lady that lived next door. But not a coworker, (does someone need to notify HR? lol).

[thelawgiver]

Maybe she's the "Queen Mum"?

[bunnydixon]

maybe you are right patchy - the lady with daniel when he was emotional could be his mother (just not ms hawkings lol! ;))

[notsolost42]

I dont think so. Maybe if was just a sweet old lady that lived next door. But not a coworker, (does someone need to notify HR? lol).

Okay then, Mrs. H is his mother! That's what I originally said.
Or......wait a minute......she could have been the lunchroom lady at Oxford and was just a quantum physics genious like Ben Afleck in, what the heck was the name of that movie? He was a physics genious and a janitor at some college....LOL!!!

[Missie]

Okay then, Mrs. H is his mother! That's what I originally said.

Haha... agreed.

[Lost in VA]

Okay then, Mrs. H is his mother! That's what I originally said.
Or......wait a minute......she could have been the lunchroom lady at Oxford and was just a quantum physics genious like Ben Afleck in, what the heck was the name of that movie? He was a physics genious and a janitor at some college....LOL!!!
Do you mean Good Will Hunting, with Matt Damon?

[notsolost42]

Do you mean Good Will Hunting, with Matt Damon?

Yeah! That's the one!!! LOL!!!! I never remember the names of actors!!! So, he was the genious janitor and she could be the genious lunchroom lady!!! LOL!!!

[LOCKEZILLA]

Daniel and everyone else is definately traveling because of the islands movement. He went to the orchid in a scene from 5.02 I believe. When he returns after talking to desmond(2003 ish) Boom A flash. Then the next scene we see him in is at the beach. Juliet and Sawyer ask where he has been for two hours! Missing time gap equals his appearance at the orchid. This is in the mid 70s I believe. This is where the losties are still currently on this island.(No more flashes yet). I believe this because they are attacked by the men soon afterward. I also believe these men to be part of the arrow station that was discussed by Dr. Cheng(Haliwax,Candle) in the opening scene of 5.01. Let me know what you all think about that. This will prove that Dan never time traveled himself before the island!!

[thelawgiver]

Daniel and everyone else is definately traveling because of the islands movement. He went to the orchid in a scene from 5.02 I believe. When he returns after talking to desmond(2003 ish) Boom A flash. Then the next scene we see him in is at the beach. Juliet and Sawyer ask where he has been for two hours! Missing time gap equals his appearance at the orchid. This is in the mid 70s I believe. This is where the losties are still currently on this island.(No more flashes yet). I believe this because they are attacked by the men soon afterward. I also believe these men to be part of the arrow station that was discussed by Dr. Cheng(Haliwax,Candle) in the opening scene of 5.01. Let me know what you all think about that. This will prove that Dan never time traveled himself before the island!!

Interesting idea, but the Island is quite large and the Orchid station is at least a days hike from the beach/hatch. I think the delay was just Daniel getting his bag and interacting with Des. I'm sure a future episode has Daniel in old time Dharma land for a significant stretch.

[BigL5000]

I think she is Daniel's mom too.

[lkeegan]

amen brother.

[joobjoobie7]

Wouldn't Jin need to return to the island too!?

[notsolost42]

Interesting idea, but the Island is quite large and the Orchid station is at least a days hike from the beach/hatch. I think the delay was just Daniel getting his bag and interacting with Des. I'm sure a future episode has Daniel in old time Dharma land for a significant stretch.

Yes, exactly. It's been established that the Orchid is a distance away from the beach. At least a day or so hike. I wouldn't say that Dan went to the Orchid. What would he have done there anyway? He didn't turn the wheel because he's still on the island. The pod is all messed up so he couldn't have used that. If he did maybe that's where that piece of equipment came from that he pulled out of his pack. I wouldn't say so though. He may have planted it somewhere else on a different "trip" and went back to get it.

[b-rod]

Guys let's get one fact straight...what we see at the begining of season 5 daniel inside the orchid is just an intruduction to us of what season 5 is gonna be like.. Meaning the losties on the island time traveling.. That actual scene were only gonna see it at the end of the season just like season 4 remeber?? Begining season 4 we get intruduced to flashforward jack big beard with kate at the airport and the at the very end of season 4 we see the continuacion of it... Get it??

[notsolost42]

Guys let's get one fact straight...what we see at the begining of season 5 daniel inside the orchid is just an intruduction to us of what season 5 is gonna be like.. Meaning the losties on the island time traveling.. That actual scene were only gonna see it at the end of the season just like season 4 remeber?? Begining season 4 we get intruduced to flashforward jack big beard with kate at the airport and the at the very end of season 4 we see the continuacion of it... Get it??

That's what I've said, kind of. Dan is really in the DI at the time and not time jumping in that scene.

[BensBaby]

Are we sure that Daniel was sent to the Island by Widmore? Was it ever mentioned? We know that Michael (aka Kevin Johnson) was also on the same boat but was actually there because of Ben. Could Daniel be there because of his Mother or Ben and not for Widmore.

[abcd1234]

Abbaddon hired Naomi and put together the "research" team, which Daniel was a member. Its not clear who Abbaddon works with/for.

I dont think Ms. Hawkings is Daniel's mother. It just doesnt seem to add up, I cant think of anything to back that theory up. I do think she is in LA, because Ben went to see her fairly quickly. The whole basement thing with the computer are built in the basement of that church, so she must have been there for a while.

[Brother Desmond]

Are we sure that Daniel was sent to the Island by Widmore? Was it ever mentioned? We know that Michael (aka Kevin Johnson) was also on the same boat but was actually there because of Ben. Could Daniel be there because of his Mother or Ben and not for Widmore.

Right now I'm assuming that the freighter team of Daniel, Charlotte, Miles and Frank were sent by Widmore. During the premiere Charlotte asks Miles if he thinks Widmore is looking for them. This leads me to believe the team was aware that Widmore sent them to the Island.

[BensBaby]

That could be, but if Frank was sent there by Widmore, wouldn't he be giving the 06 up to Widmore? Frank seemed to be on the side of the 06 in going along with their lie. Wait Widmore knows the 06 are lying (my bad). Maybe since all of them have a connection to the Island they wanted Widmore to send them their and that they probably were not helping Widmore but had their own agenda.

[JfromtheD]

Frank was told that their mission was an 'extraction.'
Once he realized that mercs were going to kill everyone, and chained him to the helicopter... I think all bets were off.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

BensBaby
That could be, but if Frank was sent there by Widmore, wouldn't he be giving the 06 up to Widmore? Frank seemed to be on the side of the 06 in going along with their lie. Wait Widmore knows the 06 are lying (my bad). Maybe since all of them have a connection to the Island they wanted Widmore to send them their and that they probably were not helping Widmore but had their own agenda.

All four of them where sent by Widmore, but Ben allowed them to come to the island because he knew that the island needed them. Charlotte might not be that important, and thats why Ben tried to kill her. It also looks like Charlotte isn't going to last too long anyway.

[Baibe]

I also believe that Farraday's mom (if that is his mom) is at Oxford. Of course Desmond only has 70 hours to sail to Oxford to find her though. :)

Yeah but that is in Lost time. 108 days was 4 years in Lost time so 70 hours is...:confused:

[5starboss]

Yeah but that is in Lost time. 108 days was 4 years in Lost time so 70 hours is...:confused:

40 days............

[Baibe]

wow she is one mean mother!!! if faraday is indeed her son, then there he is putting himself through all kinda of everything to learn about time travel and she knows all along!!!

i also think its a huge assumption to assume that because daniel sent desmond to oxford to find his mother that she MUST be english. after all, he sent desmond to oxford before to find himself and he is american. people travel.....its true lol!

i am not saying she is absolutely not but i'm saying lets not jump to conclusions and say its a fact when its only really an idea/theory right now, there is no definitive proof yet.

also with regards to daniel being at the orchid construction site, it appeared to me that he was trying to conceal himself...like he wasnt meant to be there and he has travelled into the past to either find something or get info OR he is trying to amend something which then would make him a huge hypocrite after his you cant change a bean comment.....

That is true. But I got confused with Dan being able to talk to Des when he knocked on the hatch. So that means it happened becuz u can't change what didn't happen? So when was Dan there b4 to knock on the door to make it a memory for Des? ... or is it a glitch in Daniel's theory. But it had to happen becuz Dan checked his journal b4 he knocked but then hoped it worked...

[Baibe]

Wouldn't Jin need to return to the island too!?

Hey joob... Jin died. He blew up on the freighter. I don't think the rule that everyone must return applies to people who died before the island was moved.

[Baibe]

All four of them where sent by Widmore, but Ben allowed them to come to the island because he knew that the island needed them. Charlotte might not be that important, and thats why Ben tried to kill her. It also looks like Charlotte isn't going to last too long anyway.

I think Charlotte is having one of those seizure things like Des had. Charlotte has been to the island before. Miles told her it took her a long time to get back in Season 4.

[Baibe]

40 days............

Thanks. LOL

[notsolost42]

Abbaddon hired Naomi and put together the "research" team, which Daniel was a member. Its not clear who Abbaddon works with/for.

I dont think Ms. Hawkings is Daniel's mother. It just doesnt seem to add up, I cant think of anything to back that theory up. I do think she is in LA, because Ben went to see her fairly quickly. The whole basement thing with the computer are built in the basement of that church, so she must have been there for a while.

First of all, let me show you some possible evidence to prove that Mrs. H. is Dan's mother.
First of all, she is a physicist.
Second of all, she appears in a photo with Brother Campbell, which is on his desk at the monastary, standing in the quad at Oxford.
Dan worked at Oxford and performed his initial time travel experiments there.
That church could easily be at Oxford. However, I am not committing to that theory just yet. But, the basement she was in...well, so far there is no actual proof that it was below the room she appeared in. It could simply be great story telling by TPTB and camera work to make you think that's where she came from. She walked in from you do not know where for sure.
Daniel has a very poor memory. This is from a significant amount of time jumping.
If she is not Dan's mother there is still a very strong and important relationship between the two. I have also said that perhaps she is a coworker from Oxford. A dear, sweet older lady that everyone calls Mom. Just a thought.

[abcd1234]

I agree there are some coincidences, but I cant say that it really proves anything. It just seems too far-fetched.

[abcd1234]

oh and the part where daniel is crying when he is watching the recovery of 815 on the news (in the beginning of last season) and says he doesnt know why, that seems to me like the same kind of thing that happened to desmond. someone went back to daniels past and told him when he sees that event he needs to go to the island, or something along those lines. so he was sort of remembering an implanted memory.

[salty222]

Not only do I think Hawkings is Daniels mom, but I also believe her to be Ben's mom. For all we know the story that was told to us, about ben's birth and existence on the island was made up for Ben to believe, so he would feel he was on his own in his work, and his work for other people. I think Daniel and Ben are brothers and working against each other. Kinda the good vs. bad scenario. Mrs. Hawkings seems to be using them both for something she is wanting, that we don't know of yet.

I do know this...

PRAISE THE LORD THIS SHOW IS BACK ON TV. IT'S THE GREATEST SHOW EVER CREATED!!!! My head is spinning once again. Thank you lost!!!!

[Missie]

Not only do I think Hawkings is Daniels mom, but I also believe her to be Ben's mom. For all we know the story that was told to us, about ben's birth and existence on the island was made up for Ben to believe, so he would feel he was on his own in his work, and his work for other people. I think Daniel and Ben are brothers and working against each other. Kinda the good vs. bad scenario. Mrs. Hawkings seems to be using them both for something she is wanting, that we don't know of yet.

I do know this...

PRAISE THE LORD THIS SHOW IS BACK ON TV. IT'S THE GREATEST SHOW EVER CREATED!!!! My head is spinning once again. Thank you lost!!!!

Ben's mom was definalty not Mrs. Hawkings. She died in the woods... we saw the flashback.

[notsolost42]

Ben's mom was definalty not Mrs. Hawkings. She died in the woods... we saw the flashback.

Right, and her name was Emily. And not the same person as Locke's mom Emily. Daniel and Ben are definitely not brothers!

ABCD....Dan was crying because he had a vague memory of what was about to happen again!!! He has a poor memory from time jumping.

[salty222]

how do we know the flashback for ben was real? maybe that flashback was what ben had been told, and that was what had been set up by Mrs. Hawkings?

[notsolost42]

how do we know the flashback for ben was real? maybe that flashback was what ben had been told, and that was what had been set up by Mrs. Hawkings?

What flashback for Ben are you talking about?

[Unbridled Pageantry]

salty222
how do we know the flashback for ben was real? maybe that flashback was what ben had been told, and that was what had been set up by Mrs. Hawkings?

Have they ever done a fake flash back yet? I dont' think so. Why would Roger Linus be so depressed over Ben killing his wife, if it had never happened, and his wife was still alive?

I have to say there's noway Hawking is Ben's mother. And this is from someone who is still embarassed for starting a Ben/Locke Same Mother thread a few months back. :)

[heatwave]

Ben had a flashback/centric epsiode. It showed his parents in the woods hiking when his mother gives birth and dies. The Goodspeed's pick them up on the highway and take them to the hospital.

Ben is then seen as a young boy with his dad at the DI. He meets Emily, meets Richard in the island beyond the barracks fence, then later he is shown coming home to a drunk dad who forgot his birthday again.

This is the flashback of Ben their talking about that must defunk the idea that Hawkings is Ben's mon.

[ortrules]

I have to say there's noway Hawking is Ben's mother. And this is from someone who is still embarassed for starting a Ben/Locke Same Mother thread a few months back. :)

You're the one that started that!? :p

It's all good, when this show is over we can all look back at the things we posted and realize how wrong and ridiculous some of the stuff we said is. That will be good fun!

[abcd1234]

Ok if daniel is messed up in the head from time traveling it would make sense, except all his time traveling is from the island...although he does have everything written in that journal. I just wonder how he got off the island then, before he came back with naomi. He could have made a device similar to what he was using on the mouse, but that wouldnt have put him from oxford onto the island, just back or forward in time in oxford.

[Jeremy]

I think Dan ends up dieing before he is actually born, and somehow the memories are "passed on" to the newborn, except that they have to be triggered.

[00sco200]

I think Dan ends up dieing before he is actually born, and somehow the memories are "passed on" to the newborn, except that they have to be triggered.


pfffff:D u are kidding right??? lol :D

[Jeremy]

Nope, not at all.

[LostFreak21]

Hey in the promos tonight Jack is with Mrs. Hawkings.

[salty222]

Yes, Yes, I remember that flashback very well. I live in the Portland, Oregon area, so it made it extra special. haha.

But there is more to Ben. So much more that we don't know. What if that flashback was what "Ben" knows of his life? How do we know he wasn't planted there as a young child and told to live with this certain guy who was "his father" and the father told the same thing, thru some pyscho brain whatever have you????????? lol. It's lost, you really never know what is going on, until they want to tell you, and even then there are still a thousand questions that arise from that. For every question answered, another 10 spring up.

Ben is too powerful, to have just "grown up" on the island. He knows too many people, and is connected in too many ways to those people. Him and Farraday have a special link somehow. At this point I think they are brothers. If not brothers, then connected in some other way.

Sometimes when I watch this show I think back to the good ole' days when all you had to worry about was a big white bear. urgh!!!

[notsolost42]

Can someone please post a screen cap of Mrs. Hawking writing on the blackboard. I am looking for something with a good view of what she was writing. I may have found something pertaining to the formula she was changing that will explain what she was doing. Thanks....

[Moxy]

According to

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-01-27T18%3A37%3A00Z&max-results=8

Mrs H's first name is Eloise....wasn't that the name of Faraday's lab rat at Oxford....

[notsolost42]

According to

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-01-27T18%3A37%3A00Z&max-results=8

Mrs H's first name is Eloise....wasn't that the name of Faraday's lab rat at Oxford....

Gotta love it! Yes, that was Dan's rat...Eloise! Thanks Moxy! That was great work!
I still like Beach's name for her better though....Druida!

[coffefrap]

Ok if daniel is messed up in the head from time traveling it would make sense, except all his time traveling is from the island...although he does have everything written in that journal. I just wonder how he got off the island then, before he came back with naomi. He could have made a device similar to what he was using on the mouse, but that wouldnt have put him from oxford onto the island, just back or forward in time in oxford.

I read this in another post from someone and can't remember where.....! So, let's say Dan is all messed up in the head....is that the reason he is crying at the beginning of the season last year??? Someone else mentioned this about Daniel crying ... so any thoughts about why he would be crying at the season opener last year???

[Moxy]

Gotta love it! Yes, that was Dan's rat...Eloise! Thanks Moxy! That was great work!
I still like Beach's name for her better though....Druida!

Druida - love it! :D

[notsolost42]

I read this in another post from someone and can't remember where.....! So, let's say Dan is all messed up in the head....is that the reason he is crying at the beginning of the season last year??? Someone else mentioned this about Daniel crying ... so any thoughts about why he would be crying at the season opener last year???

Yeah, he has vague memories of "Here we go again!"

[Moxy]

I read this in another post from someone and can't remember where.....! So, let's say Dan is all messed up in the head....is that the reason he is crying at the beginning of the season last year??? Someone else mentioned this about Daniel crying ... so any thoughts about why he would be crying at the season opener last year???

I wonder if he is crying about something we are yet to see (possibly something with Charlotte - I don't think it's her in the background at that scene......)

[dub]

Yeah, he has vague memories of "Here we go again!"

Exactly. Not vague, vivid.

[Jasonater]

so any thoughts about why he would be crying at the season opener last year???

Maybe he lost a tennis match!

[abcd1234]

maybe Im a complete knucklehead but I still dont buy it. I think they are going to show hawking, then desmond knocks on a door, then when it is answered its going to be some other woman.

[ortrules]

maybe Im a complete knucklehead but I still dont buy it. I think they are going to show hawking, then desmond knocks on a door, then when it is answered its going to be some other woman.

Not a knucklehead, more like a weisenheimer. :D There have been a few times this season where I've thought "that can't be the answer because they made it too obvious".

Ben sending the lawyers to Kate was too obvious.
Miles being the son of Dr. Candle is too obvious.
Mrs. Hawking being Dan's mother now seems too obvious.

Not saying it can't be true, but not many times in this show have we actually been given answers right away - or has the answer seemed so obvious. It's a weird feeling.

[370662]

I think faraday may be on the island intending to protect the island from a posible plan mrs hawking and ben have created? - mrs hawking (if shes his mum) could not know hes there and ben could not know his connection to his 'mother'.
just a thought.

but 2bh, I think lost will give us more of those obvious answers that are weirdly hidden!

[notsolost42]

Not a knucklehead, more like a weisenheimer. :D There have been a few times this season where I've thought "that can't be the answer because they made it too obvious".

Ben sending the lawyers to Kate was too obvious.
Miles being the son of Dr. Candle is too obvious.
Mrs. Hawking being Dan's mother now seems too obvious.

Not saying it can't be true, but not many times in this show have we actually been given answers right away - or has the answer seemed so obvious. It's a weird feeling.

At this time in the progression of the show they have to make the answers seem obvious. At least some of them. But, how is Mrs. Hawking so obvious? We've known of her character since what, the second season? And of Dan's since the fourth? I never would have put the two of them together. The attorney was not so obvious to me! LOL! I really thought that Claire's mother was behind it. Guess you outsmarted me on that one! LOL! And as for Miles, we would never have guessed he was Cheng's son unless we saw the special video that Dan took. That video had a lot of answers in it!
So, not really all that obvious when you think about how long we have actually been thinking about these characters...that is, if all holds true!!!
But then again, the time travel has been obvious to me ever since Desmond turned the failsafe key...or was it when Aldo was reading it? Nope, Desmond was first!!

[abcd1234]

they had scene where daniel tells desmond to go see his mother in oxford. then they cut to hawkings doing the same math like daniel, etc. and lost just doesnt seem to do that kind of foreshadowing, its always more subtle or vague. it reminds me of the episode with jin and sun, when at the end it turns out it was a combo flashback/flashforward