Mrs. Hawking's monitor.

[boutte]

What do you think this is? Are marks indicating previous locations of the Island? Are they showing the difernet ares that thwe Island has hopped to since Ben turned the wheel or possible locations at present?

What do you think?
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm49/boogaleeboutte/HawkinsMonitor.jpg

Notice there is nothing near Tunisia.

[boutte]

This is the chart that the pendulumwas making.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm49/boogaleeboutte/HawkingsChart.jpg

[beachblinkette]

I wonder if it has something to do with the equinox when the sun is exactly above the equator and day and night are of equal length. There is the vernal or spring equinox and an autumnal equinox. I see the word equator printed on a line at the outer edge of the map. Follow that line and you will be at the center of the major group of linear lines made by the pendulum. Maybe they have to align the going back to the island with that somehow? Otherwise i got nuthin'!!LOL

[-XENOMORPHMELT-]

Interesting, Maybe if the Island rotates around the sea like a boat in the water.. Thats why they need specific bearings to leave the islnad, I probably sound like i am high.

[beachblinkette]

I just thought of something after reading about a celestial sphere. There are 10 sets of lines on the monitor map. Could they be a celestial map of the position of the sun and 9 planets superimposed on the area in which the island is moving around in? That might mean that the island is actually in space shifting around in space and time as the writers said. Therefore they have to use a celestial map to pinpoint the position of the island, and that's where the time Lord Astrophysicist Mrs. H, and the pendulum comes in. Help!! Does anyone know what I am talking about?

[boutte]

I just thought of something after reading about a celestial sphere. There are 10 sets of lines on the monitor map. Could they be a celestial map of the position of the sun and 9 planets superimposed on the area in which the island is moving around in? That might mean that the island is actually in space shifting around in space and time as the writers said. Therefore they have to use a celestial map to pinpoint the position of the island, and that's where the time Lord Astrophysicist Mrs. H, and the pendulum comes in. Help!! Does anyone know what I am talking about?

umm, NO. ...............

[beachblinkette]

That's what I thought!! I've definitely reached my level of incompetence, haven't I? LOL!! I'm taking Bunny's advice, taking a tylenol and saying goodnight. Talk amongst yourselves. Here's a topic: Space heaters, why do we need to heat the cosmos? Discuss.

[gingergrant]

I just keep thinking of this:

[ROBOKOP]

I think the calculations and pendulum refer to the location of the island in time and in space. Ben was informed that he has 70 hours to get all of the people together. This is apparently a concrete goal. "What you need is irrelevant, 70 hours is what you've got". Much like the alignment of the planets, the islands current flucuations in space and time come to a momentary rest 70 hours from now, whereas Ben, Jack Kate and the gang can hop on for a ride and stop the "skipping of the record".

[lilsev42]

wHERE DID YOU GET THAT MAP THAT YOU PUT IN THE THREAD?yOU GUYS ARE ON THE RIGHT PAGE WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PLANETS AND OURS LINING UP,tHIS IS THE FIRST THREAD THIS SEASON FOR ME ,BUT iT'S NOT THEW LAST,LONG-LIVE lOST,AND THE ANSWERS.

[beachblinkette]

BACK AT IT! If the island is moving in space and time think about this info on the Celestial Coordinate Systems:

"We can define a useful coordinate system for locating objects on the celestial sphere by projecting onto the sky the LATITUDE-LONGITUDE coordinate system that we use on the surface of the Earth."

"These imaginary objects are the exact analogs of the corresponding imaginary objects on the surface of the Earth. Thus we shall be able to specify the precise location of the things on the celestial sphere by giving the celestial analog of their LATITUDES AND LONGITUDES or something related to those quantities."

"The Sun traces out a closed path on the celestial sphere once each year. This apparent path of the Sun on the celestial sphere is called the ecliptic. The rotation of the Earth is tilted by 23.5 degrees with respect to the plane of its orbital motion (which is also called the ecliptic). The path of the Sun on the celestial sphere is a circle tilted by 23.5 degrees with respect to the celestial equator."

This led to looking up Minkowsky Space, Conformally flat geometry, and Greek mathematician and astronomer-Ptolemy's Geocentic model.

So far I'm thinking that as others have said before, the 6 numbers are longitude and latitude coordinates. It is possible that w/o those numbers being punched in every 108 minutes, the island became very unstable and when Ben moved it, he dislodged the island in space and time. "In some sci fi literature the proposition exists that some alternate universes might indeed have laws and cosmologies that fit the Ptolemaic system"-- but that's not how scientists believe today. In Ptolemaic theory, the Earth is the center of the universe and the planets are arranged in concentric circles around the Earth.

Ben knew what he was doing in moving the island, (chaos?) and apologized to the John ahead of time. I think he knew how delicate it would be to get everyone back to a very unstable, shifting in space and time, island. That was evident in the somewhat grim and somber attitude of astrophysicist/ time wizard, Mrs. Hawking, when she told Ben the amount of time that was left.
This idea might also lend itself to 1. the Oceanic logo--concentric circles with dots (planets?) arranged on the outside, 2. the pendulum map, 3. the numbers= longitude and latitude coordinates, and 4. the hatch imploding with Desmond's time/consciousness traveling beginning.

If interested simply google celestial sphere, or :
http://www.csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentic_universe

Thoughts, anyone?

[zebu-97]

First - gingerrant, is that the map from the movie Time Bandits???

Second - I re-watched the first episode the other night with my kids and noticed Hawking's computer screen so I paused the show and watched it in slow motion. The one location indicator on the screen between Australia and Los Angeles has a line that is blinking. It is very hard to see with all the shimmering from the screen but in slow motion you can see it.

So I think it might be safe to assume that with other possible locations shown on the screen the island not only moves in time, but in location too.

Also, if one were to assume the core of the island is a crashed space ship, then it seems reasonable enough to assume as well that there would have to be some celestial navigation component at play (for the spaceship to navigate through space).

[reese1221]

If anyone didn't notice Mrs. Hawkings has been in an episode in season three. She is a jewelry seller and desmond comes into the store to buy a ring for penny but she says he can't because he wasn't going to ask penny to marry him and on on about how you can't change the past. That's how desmond figures out that he can't save charlie from dying because he will die at one point. Just wanted to point that out if no one noticed.

[krakup]

does everyone think its an old computer and graphics?? and does this suggest an earlier time period?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

BACK AT IT! If the island is moving in space and time think about this info on the Celestial Coordinate Systems:

"We can define a useful coordinate system for locating objects on the celestial sphere by projecting onto the sky the LATITUDE-LONGITUDE coordinate system that we use on the surface of the Earth."

"These imaginary objects are the exact analogs of the corresponding imaginary objects on the surface of the Earth. Thus we shall be able to specify the precise location of the things on the celestial sphere by giving the celestial analog of their LATITUDES AND LONGITUDES or something related to those quantities."

"The Sun traces out a closed path on the celestial sphere once each year. This apparent path of the Sun on the celestial sphere is called the ecliptic. The rotation of the Earth is tilted by 23.5 degrees with respect to the plane of its orbital motion (which is also called the ecliptic). The path of the Sun on the celestial sphere is a circle tilted by 23.5 degrees with respect to the celestial equator."

This led to looking up Minkowsky Space, Conformally flat geometry, and Greek mathematician and astronomer-Ptolemy's Geocentic model.

So far I'm thinking that as others have said before, the 6 numbers are longitude and latitude coordinates. It is possible that w/o those numbers being punched in every 108 minutes, the island became very unstable and when Ben moved it, he dislodged the island in space and time. "In some sci fi literature the proposition exists that some alternate universes might indeed have laws and cosmologies that fit the Ptolemaic system"-- but that's not how scientists believe today. In Ptolemaic theory, the Earth is the center of the universe and the planets are arranged in concentric circles around the Earth.

Ben knew what he was doing in moving the island, (chaos?) and apologized to the John ahead of time. I think he knew how delicate it would be to get everyone back to a very unstable, shifting in space and time, island. That was evident in the somewhat grim and somber attitude of astrophysicist/ time wizard, Mrs. Hawking, when she told Ben the amount of time that was left.
This idea might also lend itself to 1. the Oceanic logo--concentric circles with dots (planets?) arranged on the outside, 2. the pendulum map, 3. the numbers= longitude and latitude coordinates, and 4. the hatch imploding with Desmond's time/consciousness traveling beginning.

If interested simply google celestial sphere, or :
http://www.csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/celestial/html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentic_universe

Thoughts, anyone?

Sheesh, I gotta learn how to highlight...sorry for having to copy your entire post, Beach... I just wanted to add regarding your notation with Ben moving the island, causing it to go into a very precarious and most delicate state... This to me would be all the more reason for his remark in the donkey wheel room..."I hope you're happy now, Jacob"
I don't think Ben wanted to resort to moving that thing.

[krakup]

does everyone think its an old computer and graphics?? and does this suggest an earlier time period?

so is this so blindingly obvious it doesnt need mentioning or i missed its already been discused or its not important?

[LostFreak21]

Does the tide have anything to do with it? Remember the thing about the tide early on?

[beachblinkette]

Sheesh, I gotta learn how to highlight...sorry for having to copy your entire post, Beach... I just wanted to add regarding your notation with Ben moving the island, causing it to go into a very precarious and most delicate state... This to me would be all the more reason for his remark in the donkey wheel room..."I hope you're happy now, Jacob"
I don't think Ben wanted to resort to moving that thing.

LOCKEing that would help to explain the comment and Ben's anguish. He had to struggle harder than I've ever seen him do in order to move the wheel. Part of that may have been his NOT wanting to do it.

[beachblinkette]

Does the tide have anything to do with it? Remember the thing about the tide early on?
LostFreak, I think the moon/tides could have something to do with returning to the island and getting the coordinates right.( if as some think that IS what the pendulum is all about) The Earth is slowing in rotation by milliseconds every day. The Moon and Earth's gravity effects things -especially if the island is somewhere in space on the side of the Earth closest to the moon.
I'm sorry I don't recall the tide thing you mention. What is it?
But I am not very knowledgeable here, It's a very good question, though!! Google the moon's effect on the Earth and you will get more info than you ever wanted!! --I would appreciate knowing what you found.

[Lockeisthekey]

Yea, I'm definately subscribing to the theory that the nine "star" markers on the map are the previous locations of the Island. Of course, it would be way too much to ask for the writers to make it a wee bit more obvious which one was the last location. But I think it has to be either the one in the dead center of the image, or maybe the one lower. I'm thinking it's the lower one, since Flight 815 left from Sydney and was supposed to be "a thousand miles off course." And Sydney is very close to the bottom of Australia. I'd bet the one in the middle of the picture is where it was when the Black Rock got shipwrecked on it, since it seems much closer to a course that ship would have taken after it left New Guinea, mysteriously going in the "wrong" direction. I still can't help but think it ended up in the middle of the Island because the Island just appeared right underneath it. Anyway, the Island seems to like to be around the continent of Australia, doesn't it? Must be the weather. So how would anyone know the various places the Island has been moved to (the Black Rock sailed in 1845) unless they are Time Lords, which it certainly looks like Mrs. Hawkins and even Richard seem to be.

[lost-a-lot]

I saw this on another forum and think it's pretty interesting. These are the approximate antipodes (http://www.antipodemap.com/) of the points on the monitor. I wonder how many might be linked to the arrival or exit of various characters.

Tunisia - √
Western Africa - ?
Central / Eastern Europe - ?
Russia - ?
Mongolia / China - ?
India – (Dharma-related?)
Iraq – (Kelvin?)
Florida – (Juliet? Cooper?)
North Atlantic / Denmark Strait - ?
South Atlantic (west of the Cape of Good Hope) – (Black Rock?)

[gingergrant]

sorry I didn't see this question before. Yes the map that I posted was from the movie Time Bandits, it just seemed to fit.

[sj256]

sorry I didn't see this question before. Yes the map that I posted was from the movie Time Bandits, it just seemed to fit.

i recongnized it right away.

i love that movie.... don't tell bunny

[gingergrant]

i recongnized it right away.

i love that movie.... don't tell bunny


does BD not like that movie? why?:eek:

[Sion55]

Shouldent they be showing where the island Will Be?

[sj256]

does BD not like that movie? why?:eek:

uh ohhh... i opened by big mouth, and now I'm going to get in trouble.

*runs and hides*

[huntsy7]

does everyone think its an old computer and graphics?? and does this suggest an earlier time period?

no i'm pretty sure they're still in 2008 (in the Lamp Post). Ms. Hawking is probably just still using the same Dharma equipment that she's been using from the beginning because it is what she is used to.

[bunnydixon]

uh ohhh... i opened by big mouth, and now I'm going to get in trouble.

*runs and hides*

better watch it or i'll send the brood after ya :eek: