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notsolost42

01-26-2009, 07:54 PM

Okay, there are many confused folks here and I hope I can help. Here is what I got and why:

First time jump: This put the losties back sometime between 2001 and September 22, 2004 when they crashed. There is no beach camp built yet. John Locke is located elsewhere on the island. At first he is standing where the Others camp used to be but it is empty now. He climbs up and sees the Beechcraft crash. He picks up a statue and knows exactly what it is and follows. He finds the plane in the treetops by the ?. The beechcraft is found by Locke on day 39 originally after the crash of 815. He begins to climb but is shot in the leg. He falls from the cliffside.
This is when Ben awakens in the Tunisian dessert in October 2005. Ben is on real world time at this point and not moving with the island. He has been thrust forward due to the recoil of turning the wheel and the island went backwards.

Second time jump: This puts us back before December 24, 2004 when the losties are rescued. The Swan has imploded already. The Swan imploded on day 67 on the island. Sawyer wants to go and warn Jack and Kate not to get on the helicopter but is told by Daniel Faraday that they cannot change the past. John Locke is sitting on the ground next to the burnt Beechcraft, which is now overgrown with plantgrowth and is bleeding from his leg wound. Richard comes out of the darkness and treats his wound. He gives him instructions to care for it and tells him that the next time he sees him he will not recognize him and gives him a compass. He tells Locke he must give him the compass back then.

Third time jump: Back again between 2001 and September 22, 2004. The Swan is in tact and Desmond is inside. He will not answer the door for Sawyer because he has not met him yet but answers it for Daniel because they had met in 1996 at Oxford. Desmond gets the message from Daniel that when he leaves the island in a helicopter to go talk to his mother at Oxford. Her name is.....We also find Locke looking up and seeing the Beechcraft back in the treetops again. I think that the crash has just occured and the engines were still smoking.

Fourth time jump: This one is tough. It is possibly back as far as 1940's based on the military equipment that Jones, Cunningham and Mattingly are carrying. They are possibly leftover, lost and stranded on the island from WWII. At this point Charlotte is loosing her memories (she can't remember her mothers maiden name) and suffers from a headache. She has already had a nosebleed indicating that she is beginning to suffer from the time sickness. This would also fit in because it is before John Locke's birth and Richard does not know him yet. I bet when we get back to this point on the island we will see Richard and John Locke meet and John will give him the compass as he was instructed to.

2007: Desmond awakens after a dream which he realizes is a memory. He remembers meeting Daniel at the door of the Swan and the message Dan gave him about going to Oxford to find his mother. It was noted that this was three years after rescue.

2007: Ben meets with Mrs. Hawking at an unknown location and she tells him they have 70 hours to get everyone back to the island or else. We first see Mrs. Hawking alone in a dark room correcting a quantum physics equation on a chaulk board. There is a Foucault Pendulum swinging in the foreground and an old DI style computer in the background with a world map and markings on it like the ones the pendulum is scratching out. She appears to go up a spiral staircase and in the next scene she is entering a church or monastary where Ben is sitting by a group of candles. This is where she tells Ben they only have 70 hours to get everyone back. I think that this room is in a different place and not directly above where Mrs. Hawking was previously.
Ben and Jack begin to try and get the rest of the losties to go back to the island. Ben hides Locke's body in a butcher store.

heatwave

01-26-2009, 08:08 PM

notsolost42

01-26-2009, 08:11 PM

In the last paragraph, I thought Ben went to try and get everyone to go back and put Locke in the meat locker before that scene from the monastery.

He tells her he lost Hurley, which wouldn't have happened if he hadn't already tried to get him to goback to the island.

Just because TPTB showed us those scenes in that order does not mean that's the order it happened in! OMG no! Think of all the flashforwards and flashbacks that we have seen in the first few seasons! Nothing is in order!!!!

heatwave

01-26-2009, 08:24 PM

I realize that. What I'm saying is Ben says in the church that he lost Hurley today. Why would he say that if he didn't already go to his house and try to convince him to go back to the island? Before that, he was in the insane hopsital, so how could Ben lose him?

What makes you think Ben was at the monastary first, then went to get the O6 to go back and put Locke in the freezer?

notsolost42

01-26-2009, 08:33 PM

Okay, could have been. Guess I didn't understand what you were saying then.

beachblinkette

01-26-2009, 08:38 PM

notsolost42

01-26-2009, 08:46 PM

I have nothing really to add or take away from the great ideas and notes here by everyone. I just think it is so "Lost" that we don't know for sure some of the sequences like Ben in the butcher shop, Sun meeting Kate, Sayid and Hurley. We have to keep reminding ourselves as Notsolost says, that the chronology has been very sneaky before!! That's a given that we should think about every time. And the fact that the island time shifting mirrors this off island activity with the flashes is very clever!!LOL Tricky Dudes!!

Beach, I could be in error about the current timeline! LOL!!!! But as for the time jumps, I think I have that down pretty well! Oh, don't we know it that those tricky little devils play with the cronologic order of our world!!! LOL!!! Bottom line is this: if anyone sees a blatant error in my timeline as far as the time jumping sequenses then please add a correction! I think we need this to keep up with it!

Unbridled Pageantry

01-26-2009, 08:54 PM

notsolost42
First time jump: This put the losties back sometime between 2001 and September 22, 2004 when they crashed.

Is it known at what time Yemi's plane crashed?
How did you figure out that Yemi's plane crashed in 2001?

Jeremy

01-26-2009, 09:16 PM

Is it known at what time Yemi's plane crashed?
How did you figure out that Yemi's plane crashed in 2001?

Well, it couldn't have been too far into the past, because Ethan didn't really look any younger, but maybe it's just that he might be ageless, like Richard...

In Deus Ex Machina, when Locke and Boone found the corpses from Yemi's plane, Locke had made the observation that their clothes could be anywhere from two to ten years old.

persistentlylost

01-26-2009, 09:19 PM

Second time jump: This puts us back before December 24, 2004 when the losties are rescued. The Swan has imploded already. The Swan imploded on day 67 on the island. Sawyer wants to go and warn Jack and Kate not to get on the helicopter but is told by Daniel Faraday that they cannot change the past. John Locke is sitting on the ground next to the burnt Beechcraft, which is now overgrown with plantgrowth and is bleeding from his leg wound. Richard comes out of the darkness and treats his wound. He gives him instructions to care for it and tells him that the next time he sees him he will not recognize him and gives him a compass. He tells Locke he must give him the compass back then.

When I saw this jump I thought they were further in the future. The plant growth on the plane looked like more than could happen in 41 days. I also think I read somewhere that jumps to the past (pre rescue) were in the daylight whereas jumps to the future were at night. Not for sure of this. So the first jump was pre-rescue (day) the next was post-rescue (night, when they found the hatch and John found the over grown plane and spoke with Richard), third was pre-rescue (Desmond/Daniel discussion in the daylight). I can't remember if it was day or night on the last jump without going back to watch it. I know it eventually turned to night and that is where all the action occurred (flaming arrows, run in with DI). Was is day or night when they jumped for the fourth time?

Regardless, on the second jump Richard was aware of what was happening and knowledgeable about the island moving in time. He answered John's questions about why they dissapeared when the flash occurred...so it had to be post-rescue.

notsolost42

01-27-2009, 01:07 PM

Is it known at what time Yemi's plane crashed?
How did you figure out that Yemi's plane crashed in 2001?

The first time jump: sometime between 1994 and 2002. Here's why:

I rewatched on sci-fi last night and all of the episodes were Locke-centric. I am going to change the date of the first time jump because there was a timeline laid down in one of the epi's about Yemi's plane. Well, it was actually about the clothing the preists were wearing in the plane. I am certain that TPTB did this intentionally. I said they left little clues along the way for us. Locke had made a comment about the priests clothing saying that it could take anywhere from 2 to 10 years for the good quality polyesther to deteriorate. So, this would put the beechcraft crashing on the island somewhere between 1994 and 2002. It is a large timespan but it's the best we got.

bunnydixon

01-27-2009, 02:48 PM

according to lostpedia yemis plane crashes on the island between 2002 and 2004 so as it was the day of the crash that they seemed to be at (john watched it happen) the first time jump would be between this time period. so between jan 1st 2002 to 21st/22nd september 2004 (depending on the time of the crash and the time they were in for the jump).

notsolost42

01-27-2009, 03:11 PM

bunnydixon

01-27-2009, 03:14 PM

some of it is guesswork but its usually pretty reliable. perhaps more reliable than that polyester after all ;)

notsolost42

01-27-2009, 03:25 PM

some of it is guesswork but its usually pretty reliable. perhaps more reliable than that polyester after all ;)

All I am saying Bunny, is that TPTB may possibly have been laying the groundwork for what was to come. In fact, the show is so well written and detail oriented that I am sure they hid many Easter Eggs along the way. I am just looking at what was written in the actual script as a possible clue verses what a viewer wrote in Lostpedia.

Moxy

01-27-2009, 03:30 PM

Moxy

01-27-2009, 03:34 PM

notsolost42

01-27-2009, 03:36 PM

Eko was originally meant to be on Yemi's plane, as a priest....in the Yemi/Eko episode did Eko have to get something signed that might have been dated....or am I getting confused with Eko meeting Malkin (the clairvoyant who sent Claire on 815). I might have to look at that Eko-centric episode again......oh boy.....

No, you are correct. Eko was standing at the plane ready to board when Yemi came and stopped him. Yemi was shot and dragged into the plane and it took off. Eko was on the runway when the Nigerian military came and they thought he was a priest. He kept the cover of a priest for a while, going back to Yemi's church and then being sent to England where he investigated the claim of Malkin's daughter. So, it had to have been a while before 2004. I don't believe it happened all that quickly.
What I want to see is a close up of the map that Boone had originally found in the Beechcraft. At first you see Nigeria and then the camera pans upwards and I could not make out where it was. But I'll tell you one thing, Tunisia is north of Nigeria! And I have been saying that's where the plane was headed with the drugs and it got caught in the wormhole when Ben turned the wheel!

bunnydixon

01-27-2009, 03:36 PM

All I am saying Bunny, is that TPTB may possibly have been laying the groundwork for what was to come. In fact, the show is so well written and detail oriented that I am sure they hid many Easter Eggs along the way. I am just looking at what was written in the actual script as a possible clue verses what a viewer wrote in Lostpedia.

notso...i was only making a little joke that if lostpedia was indeed correct then the polyester only lasted 2 years as opposed to the possible 10 john predicted!! no need to get so defensive when someone's opinion differs or they have a new suggestion that doesn't gel with yours.

bunnydixon

01-27-2009, 03:37 PM

No, you are correct. Eko was standing at the plane ready to board when Yemi came and stopped him. Yemi was shot and dragged into the plane and it took off. Eko was on the runway when the Nigerian military came and they thought he was a priest. He kept the cover of a priest for a while, going back to Yemi's church and then being sent to England where he investigated the claim of Malkin's daughter. So, it had to have been a while before 2004. I don't believe it happened all that quickly.
What I want to see is a close up of the map that Boone had originally found in the Beechcraft. At first you see Nigeria and then the camera pans upwards and I could not make out where it was. But I'll tell you one thing, Tunisia is north of Nigeria! And I have been saying that's where the plane was headed with the drugs and it got caught in the wormhole when Ben turned the wheel!

didnt he go to see malkins daughter in 2004? and was returning from that when he boarded 815?

notsolost42

01-27-2009, 03:39 PM

notso...i was only making a little joke that if lostpedia was indeed correct then the polyester only lasted 2 years as opposed to the possible 10 john predicted!! no need to get so defensive when someone's opinion differs or they have a new suggestion that doesn't gel with yours.

Bunny, I'm sorry that you took my response as defensive. It wasn't meant to be that way, I assure you. Look, lot's of people think that Lostpedia is the be-all, end-all of answers for the show and the history. I guess we both know that it is filled with errors! LOL!!! :)

Moxy

01-27-2009, 03:56 PM

didnt he go to see malkins daughter in 2004? and was returning from that when he boarded 815?

Thank you bunnydixon! My memory failed me....all that time travelling plays havoc!:D

notsolost42

01-27-2009, 04:39 PM

didnt he go to see malkins daughter in 2004? and was returning from that when he boarded 815?

Yes, that's true but that doesn't mean that was when Yemi's plane took off. Eko took the cover position of clergyman when Yemi was killed. He went to England at an unspecified time for an unspecified duration. It is that time gap that we would need to figure out.

So then, even if my corrected date is wrong then my original date was right! LOL!!!! I am sticking to the corrected time frame though. The Beechcraft crashed sometime between 1994 and 2002. It's a wide range but that's what I am sticking to.

XmasDVD

01-27-2009, 04:52 PM

notsolost42

01-27-2009, 04:59 PM

Add this to the timeline

In the 'Jughead' EP5x03 preview, Sawyer/Locke note that the rifles they confiscate from the guys where going to cut Juliette's hand off, looked brand new. I believe those were in the 1940's (WWII) era...helps support the fact that they have jumped that far back. Or at least the guns are - maybe they were recovered in another unknown time jump to the past.

Thanks Xmas. That does help to support my timeline. Add that with the fact that Richard says to Locke he wouldn't recognize him the next time they see each other and BINGO! I think we are on to something! If Richard doesn't recognize Locke we know that it HAS TO BE BEFORE MAY 30, 1956! No doubts about that. Richard was there for Locke's birth!

bunnydixon

01-27-2009, 05:28 PM

Yes, that's true but that doesn't mean that was when Yemi's plane took off. Eko took the cover position of clergyman when Yemi was killed. He went to England at an unspecified time for an unspecified duration. It is that time gap that we would need to figure out.

So then, even if my corrected date is wrong then my original date was right! LOL!!!! I am sticking to the corrected time frame though. The Beechcraft crashed sometime between 1994 and 2002. It's a wide range but that's what I am sticking to.

im aware of all that with eko - was just asking for clarification if this was the point he boarded 815.

im still not sure we should take lockes word based on polyester - unless we see a flashback with him working in a textiles factory lol!

Moxy

01-27-2009, 05:39 PM

Add this to the timeline

In the 'Jughead' EP5x03 preview, Sawyer/Locke note that the rifles they confiscate from the guys where going to cut Juliette's hand off, looked brand new. I believe those were in the 1940's (WWII) era...helps support the fact that they have jumped that far back. Or at least the guns are - maybe they were recovered in another unknown time jump to the past.

Does Locke refer to the make of gun at some point (is it in the preview or at the end of EP02); the make might give a point in time, but equally could be there to throw us or may have been kept as new until use at a later date.....

notsolost42

01-27-2009, 05:40 PM

Well, I just found something very interesting that may help support that last time jump back into the 1940's or 1950's.

On the Hanso Foundation website this is written about Alvar Hanso:

"Alvar Hanso made his first mark during the second World War, providing munitians to various resistance movements around Europe. After the war, Hanso became the leading purveyor of high-technology armaments for NATO."

It goes on to talk about his scientific endevors afther that. So, I'm thinking that maybe those guys are the earliest of the DI or at heast sent by Alvar before the DI started to build there to protect the island.

There's a link at the bottom of the Lostpedia page for Hanso Foundation to go the the site. You need to go to the second Hanso website.

thelawgiver

01-27-2009, 05:55 PM

Okay, there are many confused folks here and I hope I can help. Here is what I got and why:

Second time jump: This puts us back before December 24, 2004 when the losties are rescued. The Swan has imploded already. The Swan imploded on day 67 on the island. Sawyer wants to go and warn Jack and Kate not to get on the helicopter but is told by Daniel Faraday that they cannot change the past. John Locke is sitting on the ground next to the burnt Beechcraft, which is now overgrown with plantgrowth and is bleeding from his leg wound. Richard comes out of the darkness and treats his wound. He gives him instructions to care for it and tells him that the next time he sees him he will not recognize him and gives him a compass. He tells Locke he must give him the compass back then.

I'm having a real struggle with this, as I mentioned in another thread. When Locke crawls into the Beechcraft, he spies the Mary heroin statues. Those were all tossed into the sea by Charlie in Episode 2.22. The plane fell from its ledge with Boone inside in episode 2.19. So, I put the time frame between these two episodes after Locke was excavating the hatch window with Boone, and before they got into the hatch, and well before it imploded. So the only thing Daniel and crew should have seen was the massive excavation that Boone and Locke had made around the hatch window. TPTB very purposefully showed the Mary statues. Are they suggesting that only major things (like death) cannot be avoided on a timeline, but minor details can change? Did Smokie get Ecko because in the real timeline he was supposed to be dead on Yemi's plane? Did Locke actually see the plane with Ecko's dead body inside?

notsolost42

01-27-2009, 06:33 PM

I'm having a real struggle with this, as I mentioned in another thread. When Locke crawls into the Beechcraft, he spies the Mary heroin statues. Those were all tossed into the sea by Charlie in Episode 2.22. The plane fell from its ledge with Boone inside in episode 2.19. So, I put the time frame between these two episodes after Locke was excavating the hatch window with Boone, and before they got into the hatch, and well before it imploded. So the only thing Daniel and crew should have seen was the massive excavation that Boone and Locke had made around the hatch window. TPTB very purposefully showed the Mary statues. Are they suggesting that only major things (like death) cannot be avoided on a timeline, but minor details can change? Did Smokie get Ecko because in the real timeline he was supposed to be dead on Yemi's plane? Did Locke actually see the plane with Ecko's dead body inside?

TPTB said that you cannot change the past or the future. I strongly believe that they are referring to the ultimate goal of what is going on or being done. In other words, Des knew that Charlie was going to die. He saw this happen several different ways. Ultimalty, Charlie died. That was the part that could not be changed. I think that how you get there doesn't matter as long as you don't change anything and it is the end that counts. For instance, when Sawyer knocked on the Swan door and Des didn't answer. That was because they did not yet meet. You cannot change that. It will happen in 2004.

"When Locke crawls into the Beechcraft, he spies the Mary heroin statues. Those were all tossed into the sea by Charlie in Episode 2.22. The plane fell from its ledge with Boone inside in episode 2.19. So, I put the time frame between these two episodes after Locke was excavating the hatch window with Boone, and before they got into the hatch, and well before it imploded. So the only thing Daniel and crew should have seen was the massive excavation that Boone and Locke had made around the hatch window."

That's why this time jump did not happen on the exact day of those events. Not all of the statues were tossed into the ocean by Charlie. Actually, he tossed the ones he was hiding. Locke had many statues in the Swan armary for safe keeping. I think that the plane fell with Boone in it. Locke carried Boone to the camp and disappeared again. The plane was on the ground with all of the statues inside. At that point in time, only the very top of the hatch was exposed and Locke and Boone had been using a trebochet to break the window on it. There was no massive excavasion yet.

thelawgiver

01-27-2009, 07:00 PM

TPTB said that you cannot change the past or the future. I strongly believe that they are referring to the ultimate goal of what is going on or being done. In other words, Des knew that Charlie was going to die. He saw this happen several different ways. Ultimalty, Charlie died. That was the part that could not be changed. I think that how you get there doesn't matter as long as you don't change anything and it is the end that counts. For instance, when Sawyer knocked on the Swan door and Des didn't answer. That was because they did not yet meet. You cannot change that. It will happen in 2004.

"When Locke crawls into the Beechcraft, he spies the Mary heroin statues. Those were all tossed into the sea by Charlie in Episode 2.22. The plane fell from its ledge with Boone inside in episode 2.19. So, I put the time frame between these two episodes after Locke was excavating the hatch window with Boone, and before they got into the hatch, and well before it imploded. So the only thing Daniel and crew should have seen was the massive excavation that Boone and Locke had made around the hatch window."

That's why this time jump did not happen on the exact day of those events. Not all of the statues were tossed into the ocean by Charlie. Actually, he tossed the ones he was hiding. Locke had many statues in the Swan armary for safe keeping. I think that the plane fell with Boone in it. Locke carried Boone to the camp and disappeared again. The plane was on the ground with all of the statues inside. At that point in time, only the very top of the hatch was exposed and Locke and Boone had been using a trebochet to break the window on it. There was no massive excavasion yet.

Locke and Boone had done an extensive excavation to find a way inside. When Juliette found the hatch, the entire area was undisturbed and the window covered in dirt. I believe all of the Mary statues were gone from the plane. If any were left, they would have been fried by Eko's fire. Even still the Hatch did not implode until the end of S3, which was well after Eko's fire. See Lostpedia: "and Charlie sealed the kicking of his addiction by throwing the remaining statues into the ocean." http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Virgin_Mary_statue

thelawgiver

01-27-2009, 07:01 PM

But I do agree with you that it appears that everything does not occur exactly the same way. And that can explain the statue/hatch incongruity.

XmasDVD

01-27-2009, 10:47 PM

No, you are correct. Eko was standing at the plane ready to board when Yemi came and stopped him. Yemi was shot and dragged into the plane and it took off. Eko was on the runway when the Nigerian military came and they thought he was a priest. He kept the cover of a priest for a while, going back to Yemi's church and then being sent to England where he investigated the claim of Malkin's daughter. So, it had to have been a while before 2004. I don't believe it happened all that quickly.
What I want to see is a close up of the map that Boone had originally found in the Beechcraft. At first you see Nigeria and then the camera pans upwards and I could not make out where it was. But I'll tell you one thing, Tunisia is north of Nigeria! And I have been saying that's where the plane was headed with the drugs and it got caught in the wormhole when Ben turned the wheel!

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Turnip Queen

01-27-2009, 10:55 PM

It's really good to read it all like that, it helps to put stuff in perspective, whether they trick us with something shocking or not!

thelawgiver

01-27-2009, 11:19 PM

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I believe that the spot in Tunisia where Ben landed lines up on the same global plane as the island. When Ben turned the wheel, he is stagnant, but the Island moves through time as the earth spins. When time is reset, Ben is in a different global spot-Tunisia. The opposite reaction is the taking of Yemi's plane in the opposite direction that Ben went, so it appears at the Island! Every action has an equal but opposite reaction.

thelawgiver

01-27-2009, 11:21 PM

It's really good to read it all like that, it helps to put stuff in perspective, whether they trick us with something shocking or not!

By the way, howdy TQ! Missed you!

heatwave

01-28-2009, 02:04 AM

So Ben was left stagnant while the Earth continued to rotate and time passed by? Then when he was let out of the time freeze he was at Tunisia because it is in the same location as the island but in on the other side?

If this is true, wouldn't the Earth also move going around the Sun? That would leave a stagnant Ben in space unless it had been close to a year when the Earth is in the same area as before, wouldn't it? It was only a few months that he was lost in time.

00sco200

01-28-2009, 02:36 AM

Beach, I could be in error about the current timeline! LOL!!!! But as for the time jumps, I think I have that down pretty well! Oh, don't we know it that those tricky little devils play with the cronologic order of our world!!! LOL!!! Bottom line is this: if anyone sees a blatant error in my timeline as far as the time jumping sequenses then please add a correction! I think we need this to keep up with it!

jump 4- jones and the guys he is with are others, Juliet, Sawyer and.... Locke? hold them at gun point, one guy says something and the other guy says something back in a diffrent language, Juliet replies back in the same language, Sawyer asks what they said and what language they were speaking, Juliet tells Sawyer they were talking in latin, Sawyer asks were Juliet learned latin and she answers by saying same place they ( Jones & freinds) did. there is a teaser video with this somewhere on the net, try darkufo.com.

lost-a-lot

01-28-2009, 08:04 AM

thelawgiver, I thought the inclusion of the statues was a continuity error, but it isn't. After having doubts about the time frame of the second flash-jump, I checked, and in episode 2.10 at least two statues are left inside the plane when Eko burns it. Also, while they don't appear to be packed in straw, Eko later sees at least two (seemingly unburned) statues whien he’s looking about the plane for Yemi’s body.

Still, I've no good idea why they didn't burn, much less the straw Locke saw.

notsolost42

01-28-2009, 01:24 PM

ortrules

01-28-2009, 01:38 PM

I believe that the spot in Tunisia where Ben landed lines up on the same global plane as the island. When Ben turned the wheel, he is stagnant, but the Island moves through time as the earth spins. When time is reset, Ben is in a different global spot-Tunisia. The opposite reaction is the taking of Yemi's plane in the opposite direction that Ben went, so it appears at the Island! Every action has an equal but opposite reaction.

I'm still not getting this. Ben opens this wormhole in Jan 2005 and comes out the other end in Oct 2005. That's a span of about 9 or 10 months. So doesn't that mean the beechcraft had to enter the wormhole during that same amount if time? Yet it clearly left Nigeria years before this event happened. Or are you suggesting the beechcraft went through a wormhole created from a previous "moving the island" event?

Moxy

01-28-2009, 01:42 PM

I'm still not getting this. Ben opens this wormhole in Jan 2005 and comes out the other end in Oct 2005. That's a span of about 9 or 10 months. So doesn't that mean the beechcraft had to enter the wormhole during that same amount if time? Yet it clearly left Nigeria years before this event happened. Or are you suggesting the beechcraft went through a wormhole created from a previous "moving the island" event?

Whilst we're talking about the beechcraft/worm holes; how did Henry Gales balloon get on the island?

Moxy

01-28-2009, 08:32 PM

Thanks Xmas. That does help to support my timeline. Add that with the fact that Richard says to Locke he wouldn't recognize him the next time they see each other and BINGO! I think we are on to something! If Richard doesn't recognize Locke we know that it HAS TO BE BEFORE MAY 30, 1956! No doubts about that. Richard was there for Locke's birth!

Just googled 30 calibre M1 Garand rifle - and I'm sure its been established before as we're talking about 1940's time frame for the "new others" - these rifles were introduced by the U.S. Army in the 1930’s and used in WWII

notsolost42

01-28-2009, 08:36 PM

Just googled 30 calibre M1 Garand rifle - and I'm sure its been established before as we're talking about 1940's time frame for the "new others" - these rifles were introduced by the U.S. Army in the 1930’s and used in WWII

Yup, that's right. And, in those days or years I should say, Alvar Hanso dealt with military arms. He was a supplier or something. You can read about it on the old Hanso Foundation website. If you search Hanso in Lostpedia and scroll down to the bottom and find links just go to the second Hanso Foundation website. You can read his bio. It's very interesting and beginning to apply quite nicely now!
Great work by the way in your research!

Moxy

01-28-2009, 09:00 PM

Yup, that's right. And, in those days or years I should say, Alvar Hanso dealt with military arms. He was a supplier or something. You can read about it on the old Hanso Foundation website. If you search Hanso in Lostpedia and scroll down to the bottom and find links just go to the second Hanso Foundation website. You can read his bio. It's very interesting and beginning to apply quite nicely now!
Great work by the way in your research!

Thanks Notso! :D