I thought you couldn't change the Past?

[Jaystar™]

Ok so we know Dan said they couldn't change the past, but does that mean that Jin is time jumping too? And how is Daniel pregnant?

[Jeremy]

Why wouldn't Rousseau be pregnant?

[skatertsol]

Ok so we know Dan said they couldn't change the past, but does that mean that Jin is time jumping too? And how is Daniel pregnant?

Danielle is preggo because they have time jumped back in the past....She didn't get pregnant ON the island which is how she was able to have the baby, and she is preggo by her husband who eventually dies from the "sickness" which...i'll put money on it now...I bet we are about to find out what kind of "sickness" that was...unless of course there's a bright white flash

I think jin was in the "circle" or whatever like the rest on the boat were when the flash happened. Maybe the boat was included because it was ON the water instead of in the air, or still on the same course...that i'm not sure

[Jaystar™]

But I thought Ben was the father? Also when the Losties saw the boats with the Water Bottle. Was that from the O6 returning to the Island?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

But I thought Ben was the father? Also when the Losties saw the boats with the Water Bottle. Was that from the O6 returning to the Island?

No, no NOOO! You're confused! Ben raised Alex but he "stole" her "from an insane mother" at the age of one week old. That was Danielle after Danielle killed all her crew. Ben rescued baby Alex and for all intent and purposes Ben is Alex's father ... just not biologically. That's that.

[Jeremy]

Ben only says he's the father. As far as we know, the Others kidnap Alex when Alex is just a baby.

I wonder whether Rousseau remembered Jin anytime throughout seasons 1 through 4. It doesn't seem like they ever interacted much at all.

[LostLate]

But I thought Ben was the father? Also when the Losties saw the boats with the Water Bottle. Was that from the O6 returning to the Island?

Ben kidnapped Alex as a baby, he's not her natural father.

[Jaystar™]

No, no NOOO! You're confused! Ben raised Alex but he "stole" her "from an insane mother" at the age of one week old. That was Danielle after Danielle killed all her crew. Ben rescued baby Alex and for all intent and purposes Ben is Alex's father ... just not biologically. That's that.

Oh I thought that was one of Bens tricks on Kemey

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

But I thought Ben was the father? Also when the Losties saw the boats with the Water Bottle. Was that from the O6 returning to the Island?

Jaystar, listen to Skatertsol. SHe'll update you further. If you are confused, just bear with this - it's hard to come into the whole story if not from the beginning. You'll get it sooner or later! :)

[skatertsol]

Jaystar, listen to Skatertsol. SHe'll update you further. If you are confused, just bear with this - it's hard to come into the whole story if not from the beginning. You'll get it sooner or later! :)

**feels important** why thanks friend :)

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

**feels important** why thanks friend :)

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Your welcome!
LOLOLOLOL
I was just noticing how many people seem totally bewildered over here in Season5 and wondered at what point they tuned in. It's such a wonderful show, I just don't want anyone to give up and you seemed to be really good at defining and sorting! LOL
Now, I'll step aside... :)

[LOST83]

Danielle is preggo because they have time jumped back in the past....She didn't get pregnant ON the island which is how she was able to have the baby, and she is preggo by her husband who eventually dies from the "sickness" which...i'll put money on it now...I bet we are about to find out what kind of "sickness" that was...unless of course there's a bright white flash

I think jin was in the "circle" or whatever like the rest on the boat were when the flash happened. Maybe the boat was included because it was ON the water instead of in the air, or still on the same course...that i'm not sure

Do you think this "sickness" is the same thing that Charlotte, Miles and Juliet are suffering from now? If so, why didn't Danielle ever catch it?

Also, does anyone remember if Danielle reacted strangely to meeting Jin (for the second time) after the plane crash?

[skatertsol]

Do you think this "sickness" is the same thing that Charlotte, Miles and Juliet are suffering from now? If so, why didn't Danielle ever catch it?

Also, does anyone remember if Danielle reacted strangely to meeting Jin (for the second time) after the plane crash?



The sickness could very well be the same thing. When we met Rosseau and she talks about the sickness, she seems either hesitant to divulge much or maybe just didn't really know what was going on (have you seen the show...do any of us know what's going on?!? lol) How was she not affected? maybe for the same reason some of the Losties aren't. I think she lived b/c she was destined to have the child that would be raised as Ben's baby that would drive Ben to the lengths he's going to for revenge w/ Widmore. I think that b/c this show has a lot to do with destiny and redemption-yes this season and last are flying into the scientific world, but it don't forget the roots man. lol ok enough of my rant but about Jin I think that she was in such a messed up state when the plane crashes, and had been thru so much, I wouldn't be surprised if she a.) didn't recognize him or b.) just wasn't even surprised by this-or anything-at the point she was at. She had lost her daughter, lived in seclusion for 16 years running from what she didn't know. I'd be pretty messed up too. did you notice how happy and carefree she seemed in tonite's episode? even being pregnant and undergoing a major catastrophe?? Yeah, she def did some changing on the island Now wait till next week so everything I said can be proven wrong lol

[skatertsol]

LOLOLOLOL
Your welcome!
LOLOLOLOL
I was just noticing how many people seem totally bewildered over here in Season5 and wondered at what point they tuned in. It's such a wonderful show, I just don't want anyone to give up and you seemed to be really good at defining and sorting! LOL
Now, I'll step aside... :)



lol there's a difference between defining and sorting and obsessing and obsessing lol...i have crossed that line.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

lol there's a difference between defining and sorting and obsessing and obsessing lol...i have crossed that line.

:confused:
Have you met Beach and NotSo??? :D:D

[hotpocketninja]

Danielle is preggo because they have time jumped back in the past....She didn't get pregnant ON the island which is how she was able to have the baby, and she is preggo by her husband who eventually dies from the "sickness" which...i'll put money on it now...I bet we are about to find out what kind of "sickness" that was...unless of course there's a bright white flash

I think jin was in the "circle" or whatever like the rest on the boat were when the flash happened. Maybe the boat was included because it was ON the water instead of in the air, or still on the same course...that i'm not sure

Jin must have survived the blast and floated on debris inside the radius (along with the Zodiac) when the flash occurred. So he travelled along with the island and washed up onshore by the current. This is my daughter Beckstabber's theory. I agree.

[skatertsol]

Jin must have survived the blast and floated on debris inside the radius (along with the Zodiac) when the flash occurred. So he travelled along with the island and washed up onshore by the current. This is my daughter Beckstabber's theory. I agree.


radius...that's the word i was going for...circle...geesh..thanks :)

[natego]

OMG You freaked me out when the first post said Why is "DANIEL" pregnant.. i thought you were talking about Faraday..hahah

[myzleelee]

OMG You freaked me out when the first post said Why is "DANIEL" pregnant.. i thought you were talking about Faraday..hahah

:D hehehe that would've taken the cake....

[Fuel]

I'm guessing that Jin has survived slightly unscathed, and he has gone thru the same time "Rifts" if you would, that the others (no pun intended) have gone thru. Only, he was unconscious, floating on the water within the radius until the last time rift we get to see in this episode.

It appears that Locke, Sawyer and crew are probably in the same time line as Jin and Danielle Rousseau's crew only at a different (but not too far) location on the island at the same time point, as we seen after the last flash; Lockes crew hits the beach and finds fresh wreckage, and when locke turns one of the canisters found on the beach over, it is in French. Hence putting them all in the same time line.

What this meens, or what will come is of course yet to be explained.

- Fuel

[Jaystar™]

I've watched LOST from the very beginning lol, I'm just saying I thought it was one of Bens mind games when he said I took her off a crazy women.

[loadclr]

[QUOTE=Jaystar™;138896]Ok so we know Dan said they couldn't change the past...QUOTE]

I think it depends on how you take what Dan said.

I take it more as an order. Dan telling Sawyer if it didn't hapen it can't happen or Dan telling sawyer if it didn't happen don't do something different.

Dan knows what is going on and he doesn't want anything weird to happen.

Yeah, I said he doesn't want anything weird to happen:p

[neil1]

I agree that Jin and Locke et al are in teh same time. I think they will meetup again and that way locke will know he is alive. The previews show Ben telling Sun that Jin is alive and I think Locke (As Bentham) is the one who let Ben know that.

[bERDs dINi]

I agree that Jin and Locke et al are in teh same time. I think they will meetup again and that way locke will know he is alive. The previews show Ben telling Sun that Jin is alive and I think Locke (As Bentham) is the one who let Ben know that.

excellent point because Ben did say, "Jin is alive, and I can prove it.", and as MOST of us are probably aware, last time Ben said he could prove someone was alive is when he showed Juliette her sister, healthy and well, playing with her son.

[Stilllost]

Jin was inside the barrier just like daniels boat full of people although jin has been switching times he isn't aware of it because he was at sea
so it wasn't just the island that dissapeared it was a whole perimiter

[Linus]

I agree that Jin and Locke et al are in teh same time. I think they will meetup again and that way locke will know he is alive. The previews show Ben telling Sun that Jin is alive and I think Locke (As Bentham) is the one who let Ben know that.

Possibly, but then how will he prove it based on Locke telling Ben? Locke is supposedly dead now, and him just telling Ben will not prove it to Sun I think.
There must be something more that makes Ben say he can prove it.

[notsolost42]

You know that the time jumping Losties are in the same time as Jin and Danielle and her crew because of the storm. When our Losties were in the canoe going around the island to get to the Orchid, que white flash, and then they got caught in a bad storm. That was the same storm that crashed Danielle's boat. Our Losties are on the beach and Jin, Danielle and the crew are floating towards the island in the same storm. Wasn't thjat the chain of events? That's what I remember.
It'll be great to see Jin, all confused and befuttled and not knowing what the h*ll is going on to look up and see Locke, Sawyer, and all! Don't forget, Jin doesn't know a thing about the time jumping! Not one bit! Boy, will he ever be surprised! I wonder who's gonna translate that for him?

[islander]

You know that the time jumping Losties are in the same time as Jin and Danielle and her crew because of the storm. When our Losties were in the canoe going around the island to get to the Orchid, que white flash, and then they got caught in a bad storm. That was the same storm that crashed Danielle's boat. Our Losties are on the beach and Jin, Danielle and the crew are floating towards the island in the same storm. Wasn't thjat the chain of events? That's what I remember.
It'll be great to see Jin, all confused and befuttled and not knowing what the h*ll is going on to look up and see Locke, Sawyer, and all! Don't forget, Jin doesn't know a thing about the time jumping! Not one bit! Boy, will he ever be surprised! I wonder who's gonna translate that for him?

Why didn't the lostie's outrigger disppear when they were transported back to the day Danielle washed up on the island?

[notsolost42]

Why didn't the lostie's outrigger disppear when they were transported back to the day Danielle washed up on the island?

You mean that canoe they found with the Ajira water bottle in it? Because it has been set up by the writers now through Juliet saying that I guess whatever we have with us at the time goes with us. They are placing very subtle clues in what the characters are saying to each other. I just posted about another small clue on another thread, which goes to point out the mind or consciousness is what's traveling and that it is not just a street, but a two way street at that!

[persistentlylost]

Why didn't the lostie's outrigger disppear when they were transported back to the day Danielle washed up on the island?

I wondered the same thing when the flash happened. For me, the rules aren't very predictable...

However, personal possessions like the boat, Zodiac, guns and the compass seem to go with the time travelers if they possess them during the flash.

[IHeartShihTzus]

Ok so we know Dan said they couldn't change the past

Remember in episode 2 (or was it 1?) when alex got shot, Ben said "they changed the rules" or something like that. I was thinking that was because Ben had already traveled to the future and seen Alex there, which is why he was figuring Alex was safe and wouldn't get shot. I think the assumption was that you couldn't chang the past/future, but it doesn't seem to be working out that way.

[notsolost42]

I wondered the same thing when the flash happened. For me, the rules aren't very predictable...

However, personal possessions like the boat, Zodiac, guns and the compass seem to go with the time travelers if they possess them during the flash.

Now you got it! That's exactly right! And, the writers gave the Juliet character a line to set this up. She said, "I guess whatever we have with us goes with us." or something just like it. The rules are very predictible. There are subtle little clues written into the dialogue of the characters that are framing it all.

[spartygirl]

I'm guessing that Jin has survived slightly unscathed, and he has gone thru the same time "Rifts" if you would, that the others (no pun intended) have gone thru. Only, he was unconscious, floating on the water within the radius until the last time rift we get to see in this episode.

It appears that Locke, Sawyer and crew are probably in the same time line as Jin and Danielle Rousseau's crew only at a different (but not too far) location on the island at the same time point, as we seen after the last flash; Lockes crew hits the beach and finds fresh wreckage, and when locke turns one of the canisters found on the beach over, it is in French. Hence putting them all in the same time line.

What this meens, or what will come is of course yet to be explained.

- Fuel

thats exactly what I have been thinking also....Jin has traveled along the same time rifts but because being unconsious he is unaware of all the events that have happened. Cant wait till he finds out everything !!!!!

[StormyKnight]

Gee- almost everyone jumped on the Jin part of your question- and I agree with most that Jin is indeed travelling in time like Sawyer, Locke and company. He was caught in the radius of the island like those in the Zodiac. However- there is one thing to consider and that's the boat and the helicopter were NOT inside the radius at the time the island moved first. I think Jin floated into the radius at a later time and got caught in the effect. Hopefully he is still in the same time as Locke and Sawyer and not a couple months earlier or later. Guess time will tell----pun intended!
The thing with Daniel saying you can't change the past to Sawyer, IMHO, was a ruse. Someone like Sawyer could frack the time line up pretty bad if he didn't know what he was doing. Since Daniel has a better grip on the mechanics of time travel, he is carefully orchestrating a way for them to 1. either be rescued and/or 2. stop the island from time jumping and he is using Desmond to do this. By only telling Desmond in the past, Daniel has minimized any 'butterfly effect' that could lead to disaster in the future. Giving Desmond the information he did, Desmond can now work on points 1 or 2 or both above.
I think Locke knows that things can get messed up by interacting with folks from the past and that's why, I believe, he was trying to lead everyone away from the hatch light showing in the sky. When Sawyer saw Kate and Claire he refrained from approaching which was the correct decision although he may not have known that at the time.

[Jaystar™]

Ok I have another Question, but if this is wrong I'm sorry but it's been along time since I seen this Episode. Anyway you know the Episode where Kate is with Claire when she is giving birth? Do we actually hear like a branch snapping?

[littleb]

someone touched on this earlier... why danielle lived while the other french people died. I wonder if the Others spied on them and knew she was pregnant, so they captured her similar to how they did Claire, and made sure she lived to deliver Alex.

Also, maybe Ben was so adament about raising Alex because he believed she was going to be the next leader. You can only be a leader if you have been chosen as a child.

[StormyKnight]

Ok I have another Question, but if this is wrong I'm sorry but it's been along time since I seen this Episode. Anyway you know the Episode where Kate is with Claire when she is giving birth? Do we actually hear like a branch snapping?

I don't think there was a snap but I will know tonight because some friends and I are going through the series so I'll make sure to listen carefully in that scene. I thought Charlie and Jin were there also. Didn't see them when Sawyer was watching...but they may have been on the other side. I'll have to watch for that too!

[Unbridled Pageantry]

I don't think there was a snap but I will know tonight because some friends and I are going through the series so I'll make sure to listen carefully in that scene. I thought Charlie and Jin were there also. Didn't see them when Sawyer was watching...but they may have been on the other side. I'll have to watch for that too!

Charlie and Jin were sitting of a bit away from them. Charlie wanted to go help but Jin stopped him and just shook his head. It was a pretty funny Jin moment.

So it is plausible that they're not shown in that scene.

[StormyKnight]

Ok I have another Question, but if this is wrong I'm sorry but it's been along time since I seen this Episode. Anyway you know the Episode where Kate is with Claire when she is giving birth? Do we actually hear like a branch snapping?

I watched this scene again and there was no branch snapping. I'm guessing because when we saw Claire give birth it was before a time loop was created. So when Sawyer saw Claire and Kate it was the first time loop.

[StormyKnight]

Charlie and Jin were sitting of a bit away from them. Charlie wanted to go help but Jin stopped him and just shook his head. It was a pretty funny Jin moment.

So it is plausible that they're not shown in that scene.

Yup- the camera angle shown when Sawyer was looking on did not include where Charlie and Jin were waiting.

[b-rod]

I think they are not telling us the truth here.
I think they could change the past or the future. Locke was the one to tell richard that he was born on the 30 of may 1956 and for him to go visit him and richard did .. So right there you are changeing the past future whatever.

Also sawyer tells julliet that he didn't talk to kate cause what's done is done .. If it was me I'm steping in and talking to her to try and change the future I think anybody would do the same right?? If I know I'm time travellinn I hope I could find my past self to try and change a lot of things wouldn't everybody??

[StormyKnight]

I think they are not telling us the truth here.
I think they could change the past or the future. Locke was the one to tell richard that he was born on the 30 of may 1956 and for him to go visit him and richard did .. So right there you are changeing the past future whatever.

Also sawyer tells julliet that he didn't talk to kate cause what's done is done .. If it was me I'm steping in and talking to her to try and change the future I think anybody would do the same right?? If I know I'm time travellinn I hope I could find my past self to try and change a lot of things wouldn't everybody??

If I'm time travelling I'm dropping bricks in my shorts. Forget trying to change anything, I'd be too scared! Especially if I ended up back in High School and I heard the words,"Oh, McFly"!:eek:

I think you're right about the past and/or future being changed. I stated before that Daniel knows and understands the mechanics of time travel and lied to Sawyer to try to minimize any negative influence on the timeline. I think Daniel took a might big risk himself by interacting with 'past Desmond' but it may work out for the better.

[losttime]

Wait who is Alex? Just Kidding. There is a lot of stuff though involved in this story. I find it funny that people think it is a "reality show" that have never seen it. If they only knew what they are missing. I think after the show concludes after 2010 I will be going through my own form of "lost sickness".

[msmith92]

I wonder if the "sickness" is nose bleed related?

[Jaystar™]

I wonder if the "sickness" is nose bleed related?

Didn't she IT killed them all meaning Smokie?