Jacob, the Dog, and Ben Linus

[Amp]

Ok, well I just went back and re-watched. The Man behind the Curtain. Apparently, there is a lot we missed, or didn't no it was significant at the time.

Such as, Horace the Workman, remember him, was there at Ben's birth. Gave Ben's dad the job. Essentially started Ben's leadership. Ya well remember, he was chopping down trees, and we had to find him to find Jacobs Cabin? Ya ok, that leads us to Jacob.

Of course we all remember getting that glance of Jacob when the whole ruccus and Fire Started, and the Lamp broke. Then, as we noticed the Lamp turns out fine as Ben hung it on the hook outside. That is why there is still the lamp on the door last time we see the cabin.

Now for Jacob is Vincent theory. We all know the writers said Jacob was in the First episode but never had a speaking role, well that leads to Vincent. But, also in the Man behind the Curtain, there is a picture of a dog on the wall in Jacobs house seen here:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm34/SoDVoltage/Dog.jpg

Looks like Vincent eh?

Ok to some it all up, how does this purtain to Season Five, well that leads me to this.

We haven't seen much of Vincent recently, exept for his Collar. I believe he will show up, and help lead the path on how to save the island. We will learn Vincent is in fact Jacob, and more.

Ben Linus, In the Episode Man behind the Curtain we learn a lot about Ben, But, What about the girl. I have a feeling we will see her again because of the Love Connection between them, (Sorry HeresLockeingatYouKid Lol) and we wil see those statues, and Definatly more with his mom, perhaps she will play a role in getting them back to the island.

Ok, thats about it. Acually wait, there are no asians in Ben's class, I looked at many screenshots and that seen over again.

Discuss..

[Amp]

Also, notice in that episode, the Gas gives Everyone Nosebleeds, and it is quite obvious that Bens Father is the person Hurley found in the Van, The nosebleeds also got me thinking, all the people getting nosebleeds now are just like that, also does anyone rember the little girls name?

[lost-lover01]

The girls name was Annie.
When did the producers say that Jacob was in the first episode? I would love to see or read it. I had never heard that.

[-XENOMORPHMELT-]

It may be a laughing subject when it's all done with if vincent was the real man behind the curtain... He may be what Jacob uses to communicate with the losties, I also assume that Jacob is before this century, 20th century, 19, 18th, maybe even before the 16th.

[ortrules]

It may be a laughing subject when it's all done with if vincent was the real man behind the curtain... He may be what Jacob uses to communicate with the losties, I also assume that Jacob is before this century, 20th century, 19, 18th, maybe even before the 16th.

I agree, if Vincent turns out to be Jacob this show will lose all credibility.

If you've ever seen the "missing pieces" clips, there is a seen where Christian is talking to Vincent and he tells him to go wake Jack up because there is work to be done - which leads to the opening scene of the pilot episode. So I think the significance of Vincent is that's he's more of a messenger.

[bearcatb7]

I was just womdering if there is any reason why Richard cant be Jacob. When Locke ran into the camp yelling for Richard he said Jacob sent him. Didnt richard tell him in the previous episode to go and find him.

[abcd1234]

I never heard that jacob was in the first episode either. I read that when the episode with jacob in the cabin came out, they said the guy in the rocking chair in the cabin was a guy on the set, and that the actual jacob that will eventually appear on the show hadnt been cast yet. i have to rewatch the first episode to see what I may have missed, but maybe they were referring to christian, who was jacob appearing as christian...?

[abcd1234]

wait i think I figured it out. jacon in episode 1 must have been the monster, smoke or otherwise.

[Amp]

It's not Vincent IS Jacob more as Vincent is the Form Jacob takes to more or less communicate or watch the survivors, why would they keep bringing of Vincent if he wasn't inportant?

[islander]

PETA will be all over the writers, the sponsors, the producers and the network if they did anything cruel to Vincent. Even Jacob wouldn't want that.

[Simon Blackrock]

i dont know about that.i agree that christian telling him wake up jack in first episode shows him to be a messenger.he is walts dog anyways from a upper crust house so hes obvioulsy well trained.walt is special so i guess vincent could be too,not sure about jacob tho. that picture on the wall does look like a golden lab tho,nice find!

[bamboo2]

Maybe Jacob had a dog like Vincent when he first came to the island. Loved him so much he had a portrait done. When Vincent shows up Jacob connects with him and uses him to be a messenger. I don't think Jacob is a dog or takes the form of a dog.
on a side not: why did the smoke monster take the pilot so early on.

[abcd1234]

I think the monster that killed the pilot was the one made with machinery, and is the defense system. so it could have been a random choice.

If jacob appears as vincent, that would mean vincent is dead?

[littleb]

It seems that Jaclb has many messangers... vincent, christian, no maybe claire... What if Jacob is Adam or "Adam and Eve"? well his body at least... i think of Jacob as more of a spirit.

[boutte]

wait i think I figured it out. jacon in episode 1 must have been the monster, smoke or otherwise.

It's not Vincent IS Jacob more as Vincent is the Form Jacob takes to more or less communicate or watch the survivors, why would they keep bringing of Vincent if he wasn't inportant?

Both of these ideas have a lot of merit and it's possible that both are correct.

[bunnydixon]

the pic of the dog in the cabin - i remember reading something about it in an interview someone posted on here and its apparently insignificant to the plot.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

the pic of the dog in the cabin - i remember reading something about it in an interview someone posted on here and its apparently insignificant to the plot.

Yeah I remember all that. I think that it came down to it being a sheep dog, not a lab.

[bunnydixon]

Yeah I remember all that. I think that it came down to it being a sheep dog, not a lab.

or a producers pet or something....

[R.I.P.Charlie]

jacob is the shoe hanging in the tree!

[bunnydixon]

jacob is the shoe hanging in the tree!

thats why he asked for help - he cant get down

[R.I.P.Charlie]

help me, I'm stuck in a tree and cant get down, oh woe is me!

[Amp]

Ok, shoe thing=HILARIOUS and woot my first 3 page topic. And yes I do believe he has many messengers and it is very possible his is smokey, I mean rember the sand around his house, the black sand. And the sort of shrine you nead to call smokey.

[Archangel-Player]

Ok, shoe thing=HILARIOUS and woot my first 3 page topic. And yes I do believe he has many messengers and it is very possible his is smokey, I mean rember the sand around his house, the black sand. And the sort of shrine you nead to call smokey.

I have A reply to your original post. The Christian we have been seeing on the "island" is what I believe to be a guise of an evil enity that perhaps rivals with Jacob, or is apart of Jacob and Jacob isn`t as good as we have been lead to believe. I say Christian is A part of Jacob due to his saying " I can represent Jacob" Like Jesus in The Bible can rpresent God because he is A part of God. I say That Christian is bad news because every bit of "helpful" hints he has given the Losties' such as moving the island, has lead to disaster. I wan`t to say Christian is Smokey because look how Smokey has manipulated the Losties. Such as he did Eko. Right before he killed him.

[natego]

I believe Smoky killed the pilot early on to get rid of anyone that might be able to help get them off the island. It wants the survivors to be there for a specific reason..

[Unbridled Pageantry]

I believe Smoky killed the pilot early on to get rid of anyone that might be able to help get them off the island. It wants the survivors to be there for a specific reason..

I used to think that until Lapidus came along. Killing the pilot to keep them from finding rescue didn't really work, because Sayid ended up using stuff from the cockpit anyway.
Now that we know Lapidus was meant to be the pilot, I think maybe the pilot was killed first because he wasn't meant to be there.

[Archangel-Player]

I used to think that until Lapidus came along. Killing the pilot to keep them from finding rescue didn't really work, because Sayid ended up using stuff from the cockpit anyway.
Now that we know Lapidus was meant to be the pilot, I think maybe the pilot was killed first because he wasn't meant to be there.

Intresting. Now that I think about it, Lapidus did say he was supose to fly 815 that day. It would have been Lapidus that got snaged by Smokey, had he not sat flight 815 out. It would seem Destney wanted more for Frank.us To safely escourt our Losties from the island. To only return them.us

[Amp]

Lol how did this become about Lapidus and the Pilot? Lol

[bunnydixon]

Lol how did this become about Lapidus and the Pilot? Lol


its all gone a bit wild....