John Locke and the Beam of Light?

[bERDs dINi]

Idk if this has been posted anywhere else, if so please redirect me. Im confused, in the last episode, Locke and company see a beam of light going into the air, almost like a spotlight. Locke immediately knows where they are, and in the same time period Sawyer sees Kate delivering Claires baby. I just went back and rewatch some of the older episodes. When Locke was banging on the hatch, only a light came on, no beam of light shot into the air. It wasn't until him and KATE actually entered the hatch that the beam of light came on. So how then did Sawyer see Kate delivering Claires baby?

[LissaMarie]

My memory of it was that when John was banging on the hatch door the light came on. That was just after Boone had died and simultaneous to Kate delivering Claire's baby.

[bERDs dINi]

My memory of it was that when John was banging on the hatch door the light came on. That was just after Boone had died and simultaneous to Kate delivering Claire's baby.

This first image is from the end of Season 1, Episode 19, Deus Ex Machina, after Boone's accident. It's also right before Episode 20, Do No Harm, where Boone dies and Kate delivers Claire's baby. The second image is from Season 2, Episode 1, Man of Science, Man of Faith, where Locke lowers Kate into the hatch. Which one most resembles the beam of light seen in last weeks episode? I'll let you be the judge.

[LissaMarie]

That's interesting! I will have to re-watch the end of the first season and the beginning of the second to refresh my memory and be sure.

For the sake of arguement (and because it's really cool to consider) lets just say that the beam of light happened after Claire gave birth. Does this represent some kind of time difference of the original events? Hmmm....I love Lost related homework! :)

[Namaste]

you don't suppose that this was all just a continuity error on the part of the writers/editors, do you? ordinarily, they're really quite good about making sure no 'faux pas' slip past their purview, but no one can be perfect 100% of the time. if it is a mistake then it's one of very few, and should be tolerated... and yes, even forgiven. but if it's not a mistake -- well then, i have no idea at that point how to explain it.

[navyguy]

Or this....it was Locke that said this is the night that bla bla bla. There were those 2 occurances that the light turned on in the hatch. It is very possible that when Locke banged on the hatch, the light that turned on coult have appeared as a beam of light in the sky due to the shape of the hatch window. Also the 2 episodes referrenced were on same day

[ortrules]

I think it's just a simple as them showing us the beam of light so that we understand Locke is at the hatch.

It could be considered a continuity error, I suppose, but I really think they just wanted us to get the idea.

[navyguy]

I don't see how yall see it as a continuity error. We have a hatch, in which a light turns on, this hatch has a window. With a window, there is nothing to stop the light. Why wouldn't the light shining out of the window shoot up into the sky?

[bunnydixon]

i cant remember specifically (whats new!) but perhaps we dont remember the shot into the sky due to the original angle in which we saw the scene however, now we are seeing this from a different perspective - could be something as simple as that?

[navyguy]

lol i may only know the basics of science but im pretty sure when light hits glass it will pass thru it, not bounce back off of it

[islander]

I agree the timing is right for when John was at the hatch, but that beam is awfully powerful to be the light John saw coming through the hatch.

[DCott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N7KOGnATgM

that isn't that bright. However, I don't think this is some kind of continuity error. If anything it's just a mistake by the writers.

[navyguy]

continuity error or not (i agree with the latter). I watched the episode and before John even said anything i was like "oh, that is when they are" and I thought of the night that John was at the hatch. I think that was what the writers were going for

[DCott]

continuity error or not (i agree with the latter). I watched the episode and before John even said anything i was like "oh, that is when they are" and I thought of the night that John was at the hatch. I think that was what the writers were going for

agree 100%

[MizKarlene311]

that desmond turns on the light & locke tells him, it was just u that turned on the light now a higher force? (since locke thought it was a higher force telling him he needs to get in there)

[bERDs dINi]

continuity error or not (i agree with the latter). I watched the episode and before John even said anything i was like "oh, that is when they are" and I thought of the night that John was at the hatch. I think that was what the writers were going for

I suppose I will have to agree that it was an error made by the producers. But if you watch the video DCott posted you can clearly see the light does shine through the glass, but when the light first comes on, the camera pans out and it clearly doesn't beam into the sky. I just thought this was an interesting thing I noticed while going back through some episodes and wanted to get the rest of your opinions.

[bERDs dINi]

Or this....it was Locke that said this is the night that bla bla bla. There were those 2 occurances that the light turned on in the hatch. It is very possible that when Locke banged on the hatch, the light that turned on coult have appeared as a beam of light in the sky due to the shape of the hatch window. Also the 2 episodes referrenced were on same day

Im not sure they were on the same day. First Kate delivered Claire's baby at night, and then Jake, Hurley, Locke, Artz, Rousseau and herself walked a half day(just to get there) to the black rock to retrieve the dynamite and still make it back when its dark, on the same night?

[navyguy]

Im not sure they were on the same day. First Kate delivered Claire's baby at night, and then Jake, Hurley, Locke, Artz, Rousseau and herself walked a half day(just to get there) to the black rock to retrieve the dynamite and still make it back when its dark, on the same night?

Well that depends on how much you trust Lostpedia. That puts them on the same night. day 41

[MikeDaGreek]

I have watched the episodes from the first season over a few times and things don't add up. First, John goes back to the hatch and bangs on it right after he drops boone at at the caves. Jack works on Boone through the night and it is the next night that Boone dies and Kate delivers Aaron, there is definately a considerable gap between the time the light comes on in the hatch and Kate delivers Aaron. However in "The little prince", it appears to be a short interval between seeing the beam of light and Sawyer seeing kate, definately the same night.
Also, I agree the intensity of the light that came from the hatch the night John was banging on it, is far less than the one they see in the jungle. In the origional scene the camera pans out and the light is just bright enough to shine through the glass, there is definately no bright beam.

[navyguy]

y'all are making way 2 much of a fuss over this

[notsolost42]

Island time is fast....
I've posted before that the island time is different than the real world time....
TPTB have said since day one that the island time is special or different...
The island is moving at the speed of light....time is of the essence....
That's why the three years in the real world only seem like just a few days on the island right now....
Gettin' the picture folks?

[SLOYAROLE™]

I'd just like to add that Locke and James discuss "when" they are. That's the point I think the writers wanted to emphasize. "When" they were in time is the point of the segment, not what "time" it was when they were.

I think the light beam was an instant giveaway for "when" they were and was a great setup for the scene where James sees Kate.

[ortrules]

Island time is fast....
I've posted before that the island time is different than the real world time....
TPTB have said since day one that the island time is special or different...
The island is moving at the speed of light....time is of the essence....
That's why the three years in the real world only seem like just a few days on the island right now....
Gettin' the picture folks?

Nope. When Danielle Rousseau landed on the island it was approximately 1988 or so. Her daughter Alex was born and aged completely normal in the 16 years until 815 crashed. Same with Ben, he aged normal in the time he spent on the island.

Also, during the constant episode, it was revealed that 90-some days had passed on the island, putting them at the end of December. We found out on the calendar on the freighter that it was Christmas Eve. There may be a few hours discretion or maybe even a few days, but island time pretty much runs the same.

[Archangel-Player]

Idk if this has been posted anywhere else, if so please redirect me. Im confused, in the last episode, Locke and company see a beam of light going into the air, almost like a spotlight. Locke immediately knows where they are, and in the same time period Sawyer sees Kate delivering Claires baby. I just went back and rewatch some of the older episodes. When Locke was banging on the hatch, only a light came on, no beam of light shot into the air. It wasn't until him and KATE actually entered the hatch that the beam of light came on. So how then did Sawyer see Kate delivering Claires baby?

I wish I had my computer back. So I could show you my points by photograph. But I will try to type this on the Wii here.

In season one. The light was bright. But it was just in the window of the Hatch an on John`s face. This is because it was A first person point of view shot. Where John and the viewer see the light in the genral ground view of the Hatch. In season two we get to see a distant profile image from Desmond`s flash back or was it season 3? Anyhow. The light is btighter because we are now instead seeing the light from A second person`s distant profile style shot. Now in season 5 the light is super bright and can be seen going up to the sky. This is because it`s A third person`s eagle eye style shot. Follow what im trying to say?
The farther out you go the more distance A beam of light will go. It`s pretty cool. Try it out with A flash light. Shine the light on the wall and stand almost nose to nose with the wall snd step back every 5 sec. You will see the light grow bigger and brighter.

[Dreamingwolf]

How do we know what sawyer was seeing was even real, that could have been the work of the island.

[Brother Desmond]

I have watched the episodes from the first season over a few times and things don't add up. First, John goes back to the hatch and bangs on it right after he drops boone at at the caves. Jack works on Boone through the night and it is the next night that Boone dies and Kate delivers Aaron, there is definately a considerable gap between the time the light comes on in the hatch and Kate delivers Aaron. However in "The little prince", it appears to be a short interval between seeing the beam of light and Sawyer seeing kate, definately the same night.

I know it seems like more time passes, but Boone's death, Aaron being born, and John banging on the hatch door all occur on the same night.

In Dues Ex Machina, near the end of the episode, John drops of Boone to Jack and disappears. It is daylight when this happens. We see the final part of John's flashback, and then we come back to Locke. It is night time, Locke is still wearing the shirt covered with Boone's blood, and he is baning on the hatch door.

The next episode, Do No Harm, picks up immediately after John drops off Boone and disappears. It is daytime. Jack treats Boone. Day turns to night, and Jack sends Charlie and Jin to tell Kate she must deliver Claire's baby. Boone dies in the night, Claire gives birth. The following morning is Boone's funeral where Locke shows up still wearing his bloodied clothes.

Jack did not treat Boone for over a day. If he did it would have gone from light, to dark, to light, to dark. This isn't the case.

[bERDs dINi]

I wish I had my computer back. So I could show you my points by photograph. But I will try to type this on the Wii here.

In season one. The light was bright. But it was just in the window of the Hatch an on John`s face. This is because it was A first person point of view shot. Where John and the viewer see the light in the genral ground view of the Hatch. In season two we get to see a distant profile image from Desmond`s flash back or was it season 3? Anyhow. The light is btighter because we are now instead seeing the light from A second person`s distant profile style shot. Now in season 5 the light is super bright and can be seen going up to the sky. This is because it`s A third person`s eagle eye style shot. Follow what im trying to say?
The farther out you go the more distance A beam of light will go. It`s pretty cool. Try it out with A flash light. Shine the light on the wall and stand almost nose to nose with the wall snd step back every 5 sec. You will see the light grow bigger and brighter.

its not first person, take a look and see how far the camera is zoomed out, almost the same distance as the second image. first person was the view we seen of ellie holding the gun when she took miles, charlotte and daniel hostage. and the beam is not from a desmond flashback, its from locke lowering Kate into the hatch.

I know it seems like more time passes, but Boone's death, Aaron being born, and John banging on the hatch door all occur on the same night.

In Dues Ex Machina, near the end of the episode, John drops of Boone to Jack and disappears. It is daylight when this happens. We see the final part of John's flashback, and then we come back to Locke. It is night time, Locke is still wearing the shirt covered with Boone's blood, and he is baning on the hatch door.

The next episode, Do No Harm, picks up immediately after John drops off Boone and disappears. It is daytime. Jack treats Boone. Day turns to night, and Jack sends Charlie and Jin to tell Kate she must deliver Claire's baby. Boone dies in the night, Claire gives birth. The following morning is Boone's funeral where Locke shows up still wearing his bloodied clothes.

Jack did not treat Boone for over a day. If he did it would have gone from light, to dark, to light, to dark. This isn't the case.

this i understand, but it doesnt explain the time that elapsed after Kate delivered Claire's baby and walked to the black rock and back. that did not all happen on the same day as the black rock was quite a distance away from the beach.

[Brother Desmond]

this i understand, but it doesnt explain the time that elapsed after Kate delivered Claire's baby and walked to the black rock and back. that did not all happen on the same day as the black rock was quite a distance away from the beach.

Are you talking about the time the survivors and Danielle walk to the Black Rock to get dynamite so they can blow open the hatch door? If so, that journey doesn't take place until a few days after Boone's funeral.

[Jaystar™]

How do we know what sawyer was seeing was even real, that could have been the work of the island.

Or Smokie we know it can create Images it might be able to React Scenes it has seen.

[00sco200]

i dont think it could have came from thr hatch, look at it again, Lockes head is right above the hatch window, how does the light get by his head??

and it cant be when Kate was being lowered into it because she would have blocked the light from coming through.

it must be something else we have not seen yet or it is a mistake by the producers

[Unbridled Pageantry]

i dont think it could have came from thr hatch, look at it again, Lockes head is right above the hatch window, how does the light get by his head??

and it cant be when Kate was being lowered into it because she would have blocked the light from coming through.

it must be something else we have not seen yet or it is a mistake by the producers

Who know's how long the light was on for. When the light came on I doubt that John just held his head in front of it until it went out.

[Archangel-Player]

The first shot is first person view. The purpose of the shot was for Locke and only Locke to see the light. It would be seasons later that it would be reveald the light could actualy seen like A beam of light shooting into the sky.
As for my statement about Desmond`s flash back The beam of light I spoke of did not portain to your photos. I was using it as an example.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Arch Angel is completely right.
Boone's death/Locke's hatch light/Aarons birth all happened on the exact same night. No doubt about it.

[00sco200]

no way is that beam of light from the hatch, it would have to be an extreamly strong light to shine that high in a solid beam,

how could Desmond have put up with that if it was from the hatch???

[ortrules]

The recap episode confirmed the light was the same light that turned on for Locke.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

no way is that beam of light from the hatch, it would have to be an extreamly strong light to shine that high in a solid beam,

how could Desmond have put up with that if it was from the hatch???

Because it's a big spotlight that Desmond turned on, it's not just the light from the regular bulbs.