So who is this guy?

[BriGuy0419]

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x03/normal_4x03-cap047.jpg

[snow24]

I made a comment on him in another thread. My theory is that he is the "economist" and the flash forwards are not necessarily going in chronological order.

When Sayid says he is a survivor of flight 815, this man gets a look on his face like he knows he is about to die, or that he is really even already dead. This along with the comment Sayid makes to Ben about the people knowing Sayid will be coming, make me at least believe this takes place after the Berlin incident. But right now, I'm thinking he is the head guy, or the economist.

[BriGuy0419]

Eh I dunno... seemed a little bit too EASY for it to be the "head guy".

[snow24]

I admit him being the head guy may be a stretch, but it would be a nice twist. Also, who said it was easy for Sayid to get access to that course. They do mention having paid quite a premium to play there, and thats not to say there weren't other requirements for access other than money.

Ok so i just deleted a paragraph, I think I actually talked myself out of him being the head boss, this man was driving a golf cart, and the lady in Berlin said her boss didn't like modern technology.

But I'm still convinced this guy knew someone was after him, and that it occurred after the Berlin incident.

[LOSTisMYlife]

this may be a long shot but i think the economist/main guy is penny's father.

[skitch]

I agree that the economist is Mr. Widmore. But the statment that Elsa's boss didn't like modern technology seemed important. Is the economist from a past time?

[Dzbabykel]

I agree too, I really think Mr. Widmore is the head man in all of this...tying in with Abaddon and Naomi as well. I doubt the dude on the golf course was anyone really high up but perhaps we just someone on Ben's "list" just as Elsa was. I like what you said snow about maybe the flashforwards not being in chronological order as it would make an exciting twist, however I have to disagree with this one...Sayid had just been shot and was in pain and also he told Ben that now they would be looking for him so his name was going to be changed. He told the guy on the golf course his full name and everything. I doubt that would have been the case AFTER he was shot.

[pantags]

this may be a long shot but i think the economist/main guy is penny's father.

Thats what i think, i think this whole show is gonna end being Ben vs. Widmore and the Oceanic survivors just got caught in the middle

[mirizarry716]

I was thinking that the head guy is the man who hired Naomi, Miles, Dan, etc. The same guy that when to see Hurley in the psych ward. I don't know...just a theory.

[bunnydixon]

i dont think he was the economist - not sure who he was but am sure we will find out and ultimately i think that scene was to tell us what path sayid had gone down.

[snow24]

Has anyone been able to make out what Sayid calls him? I cant make it out exactly, it sound like Sayid calls him Mr Avany? I checked out lostpedia and they just have him listed as "Armando Pucci as Italian man"

Also he wasn't wearing a bracelet just a watch, and nothing on his gloved hand. maybe the bracelet is a tracking device as mentioned before, and maybe his was in his watch?

[courtneyanglin]

ok. i've read this like three times and it's driving me nuts. everyone keeps saying that ben had a new name for sayid as in a new alias for him. i completely understood ben's saying that to mean he had a new name for him to add to his list. and sayid says they know he's after them now because he's suprised ben still wants him to go through the "list of names"

am i wrong here? not an alias. another person to kill.

[TheFlash]

I agree that the economist is Mr. Widmore. But the statment that Elsa's boss didn't like modern technology seemed important. Is the economist from a past time?

If I recall correctly, didn't Ben say that Jacob didn't like modern technology?

[TheFlash]

ok. i've read this like three times and it's driving me nuts. everyone keeps saying that ben had a new name for sayid as in a new alias for him. i completely understood ben's saying that to mean he had a new name for him to add to his list. and sayid says they know he's after them now because he's suprised ben still wants him to go through the "list of names"

am i wrong here? not an alias. another person to kill.

I agree, that was my initial response too, that it's another name on the list.

[snow24]

ok. i've read this like three times and it's driving me nuts. everyone keeps saying that ben had a new name for sayid as in a new alias for him. i completely understood ben's saying that to mean he had a new name for him to add to his list. and sayid says they know he's after them now because he's suprised ben still wants him to go through the "list of names"

am i wrong here? not an alias. another person to kill.

I took it as he had a new person for him to kill.

[varba]

I don't think that guy was anybody important at this juncture. I think the writers were just trying to get the point across the Sayid has evolved into a hitman after being rescued.

[Dzbabykel]

If I recall correctly, didn't Ben say that Jacob didn't like modern technology?

Hmm interesting point :)

[cpdemarco]

I agree too, I really think Mr. Widmore is the head man in all of this...tying in with Abaddon and Naomi as well. I doubt the dude on the golf course was anyone really high up but perhaps we just someone on Ben's "list" just as Elsa was. I like what you said snow about maybe the flashforwards not being in chronological order as it would make an exciting twist, however I have to disagree with this one...Sayid had just been shot and was in pain and also he told Ben that now they would be looking for him so his name was going to be changed. He told the guy on the golf course his full name and everything. I doubt that would have been the case AFTER he was shot.


FYI...Elsa wasn't on Sayid's list, but her boss was. Sayid was however on Elsa's list.

[snow24]

I don't think that guy was anybody important at this juncture. I think the writers were just trying to get the point across the Sayid has evolved into a hitman after being rescued.
I don't feel this way about anything on Lost anymore lol. Every detail seems to end up being something important.

[drew102e]

i heard new name on the list not alias, but could be wrong

and yes, ben said jacob shunned technology, hmmmm

[justjoe]

I think that scene was just there to show you that Sayid is a hired asasin and that guy was just another name on a long list. Based on the lack of emotion this wasn't his first hit.

[thelawgiver]

Arnold Palmer. All golfers think they are Arnold Palmer.

All kiding aside, I do not think that this was post Berlin, because, this guy would not only recognize Sayid's name, but also his face and probably freak out. Also, I don't think the big cheese would be wondering around and isolated from any security team, etc. if he new that hit men were after him.

What I don't get is that Sayid does not seem to be to concerned about covering his tracks. An exclusive course like that, with relatively few on the course, would know who was on the course and that Sayid did not finish his round. Also, he left his ball out on the green. Clubs like this like the players to have well marked balls for identification. Maybe he gave the course people a false ID.

[luckybrand1212]

He calls him "Mr Avellino".
I googled Avellino and it is a provence in Italy but there is also a St Avellino - the patron saint against sudden death; apoplexics; apoplexy; for a holy death; Naples; Sicily; stroke victims; strokes.

St Avellino was a lawyer at the ecclesiastical court at Naples. During a heated courtroom argument on behalf of a friend, he supported his position with a lie; in that setting, he had committed perjury. It shook him so badly, he gave up the legal profession, and settled into a life of penance.


http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainta36.htm

[astolpho]

I was also concerned about Sayid's relative non-chalance about authorities. Even talking to Elsa, he wasn't concerned for her identifying him, but for her safety. If so, he would never have let on about the crash, as that distinctly identifies him...

This may not matter much, but was Sayid always left handed? I seem to remember him holding a gun in his right hand throughout most of the episode, and also fixing electornic gear with his right hand, but he plays golf as a left hander.... Why the sudden, and obvious, switch of hand dominance? Could it be because of a certain gunshot wound? Not saying that the guy on the golf course is the Economist, but it does lead a little credance to the non consecutive timeline idea. He may the the other name on the list that Ben mentions.


BTW, I agree that Jacob doesn't like technology. So far as I know, he is the only other one in the series who doesn't. Could Jacob and the Economist be brothers? Ben working as the hand of Jacob. Hanso, Dharma and possibly Wittmore working as the hand of the Economist???

[CarringtonJ]

I think the economist is Jacob. Or how about Ben?

[snow24]

Could it be because of a certain gunshot wound? Not saying that the guy on the golf course is the Economist, but it does lead a little credance to the non consecutive timeline idea. He may the the other name on the list that Ben mentions.
nice, Im on the same idea that the golf course is after the Elsa deal, but I didn;t catch that. I caught that he was golfing left handed (probably because i golf), but I didn't put the two together.

[PacmanIsLost]

i think the switch in hand dominance lends itself a lot to the mirror matter theory...as do the possible presence of twins

[hollie425]

umm prolly someone sayid had to kill

[thelawgiver]

Maybe Sayid swings lefty so he can still face the guy he is going to shoot. Or the director thought the staging of the scene worked better that way. LOL. This is discussed more on a specific thread

[akheirax]

Watching again episode 3 and that guy asks Sayids "Is this your first time in the Seychelles"!!. I think I heard Seychelles. Can anyone confirm?

[naclu]

... however I have to disagree with this one...Sayid had just been shot and was in pain and also he told Ben that now they would be looking for him so his name was going to be changed. He told the guy on the golf course his full name and everything. I doubt that would have been the case AFTER he was shot.

I do agree with you... but, I just wanted to point out that, if the golf course actually was after he changed his name and such, he might not have had any problem telling someone that he knew was about to die his real name... I mean, he's not going to tell anyone! :D

[PacmanIsLost]

yes he was in the seychelles

[Mukara]

Mr. Avellinos was a target who has some sort of connection w/the island, what he did or DID not do is soon to be clarified. He was not the HEAD MAN, he was just one of many that much we all know. Whether Sayid killed him prior to meeting Elsa that too is not too clear, it would explain his usage of the left hand...... The list - Hmmmmm doesn't that sound familiar - names on the LIST..... that was the first encounter with the "Others".....

Oh BTW, Mr. Avellinos said a few words in spanish - then translated them maybe insignificant, but you never can tell......

[Ezekiel 25:17]

:DDude, that guy has to be Minkowski, he just looks like a Minkowski, I don't know why he just does, lol.

[Dzbabykel]

:DDude, that guy has to be Minkowski, he just looks like a Minkowski, I don't know why he just does, lol.

Which guy are you talkin about?

[UnknownPoster]

I didn't think it was a secret who Minkowski is, but if you don't want to know, don't click here...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3iafd724b50c2b4b11a85e26e161bb1769
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[Dzbabykel]

Oh thanks for posting that, man he's creepy looking!! Haha :p

[dino32]

everyone seems to dwell on the whole "boss doesnt like technology" thing. It was clear that Elza was expecting Syied to be after her boss- or that she was expecting some one to be (hense the gun-- and all the chat about the safe house and who he is working for) maybe she had a pager as a act of privacy- normal cell phones have call logs and text logs and phone books oh and papertrails showing who has called and from where- maybe the pager was just a simplistic way to keep Syied from snooping and gaining info

[UnknownPoster]

I think he looks dorky and not intimidating or tough.

Did you catch that stuff about the origin of his name? Of course it wasn't just picked by sticking a finger in a phonebook.
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[Dzbabykel]

Yah I know the writers pick specific names for reasons...but I didn't catch what the origin was?

[UnknownPoster]

I mean it's not that awesome...just that it's not random

In the "Lost" fan blogosphere, the name of the character has been tied to German mathematician Hermann Minkowski, whose Minkowski space -- a four-dimensional system including the three dimensions of space plus the dimension of time -- was used in Einstein's theory of special relativity
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[Dzbabykel]

Oh wow thats really awesome....man I don't know how these writers come up with all this stuff, they're geniuses, I wonder what other names have as much meaning....I know Daniel Farraday's has significance as well as Frank and Charlotte's.

[UnknownPoster]

John Locke and David Hume (Desmond David Hume) were noted philiospohers and Hume at least was an economist. Coincidentally I am taking a night class this semester called the History of Economic thought and we just looked at Hume recently. Locke was mentioned briefly in our book.

Honestly, I think the list of related names would just go on and on. I know there are other threads about them. I could go on but
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[Dzbabykel]

Yah thats really funny, I'm actually taking a night class as well and we started talking a little about John Locke and all I could think of was Lost....haha I'll probably ace that test just because of that:rolleyes: