Time Jumps on the Island

[notsolost42]

I've been trying to keep track of the time jumps on the island but I think I have missed one. I'm not sure though. Is anyone else keeping track along with the approximate year the island has traveled to??
I think there is a bit of a pattern to it. If I'm not mistaken, the island does keep returning to 2004 after each jump. I think I am missing one jump from the last show though. I have two jumps backwards in time, with the second being 1954. Did I miss one in between?
Since the last jump was to Danielle and her crew landing on the island I have approximated the year to be about 1987 or 1988. It depends on what month and how pregnant she is but I'll take the estimate. If I am correct then the island will jump back to 2004 again. I am hoping they spend some time with Danielle and her crew and Jin first before the jump.
I left my list of the jump timeline at home but will try and remember it tomorrow. Also, the jump to when they find the canoe with the Ajira water bottle. I can't figure out when that is but it would have to be sometime after Danielle and crew landed due to the old and rusted items in French on the beach. Any ideas?

[Saboteur's Requiem]

I'm guessing the island will jump to 1992 when the "purge" will happen.

[abcd1234]

I can remember

the first flash to before the 06 crashed (locke meets ethan?)
the flash to when they found the hatch (desmond meets daniel)
the flash to when the others shoot flaming arrows (1950s)
the flash to when aaron is born
the flash with the canoe shootout
the flash to whatever happened after the shootout (Jin meets Russo)

[Dr. Thomas Werner Mittelw]

Do you think jin will stay with danielle in her time period or come with locke, sawyer, etc. in the time jumps... What differentiates them from all other people on or off the island at any time, I'm confused as to why they all seem to travel together. and also where or when is rose and other survivors???

[notsolost42]

Thanks for the help. All of the Losties are time jumping on the island though they are not all together.
What I am discovering about the time jumps is that they seem to be swinging back and forth, like a pendulum. Though maybe they are not all coming back to 2004 they seem to go back then forward then back, etc. This is how Desmond was time jumping when the Swan imploded. They do have that in common. The only difference between them that I am starting to believe is that it is not our Losties time jumping but the island. The losties are just being dragged along for the ride because they are on the island. It should be interesting tonight. I am of the mind that they will stay in the period with Rousseau and company a little bit and provide a few answers to her mysteries. More than that, I can't say.

[abcd1234]

I think that is a good theory, because the french people were around the same time as the dharma.

[islander]

Thanks for the help. All of the Losties are time jumping on the island though they are not all together.
What I am discovering about the time jumps is that they seem to be swinging back and forth, like a pendulum. Though maybe they are not all coming back to 2004 they seem to go back then forward then back, etc. This is how Desmond was time jumping when the Swan imploded. They do have that in common. The only difference between them that I am starting to believe is that it is not our Losties time jumping but the island. The losties are just being dragged along for the ride because they are on the island. It should be interesting tonight. I am of the mind that they will stay in the period with Rousseau and company a little bit and provide a few answers to her mysteries. More than that, I can't say.


What gives you the impression the island is jumping and the losties are going along for the ride?

All I can think of is that Ben's purpose by turning the wheel was to move the island in spacetime and it is continuing to move.

[Monkey-Hands]

I think the canoe/bottle jump is in the future.

[notsolost42]

I think the canoe/bottle jump is in the future.

No, I have to disagree with that. The canoe and Ajira bottle were on the beach along with the old and rusty items with French writing,right? I had assumed that those things belonged to Danielle and her crew. Maybe you are bringing up a valid point. Maybe assuming is bad. Ajira airlines is based from what country? I thought for some reason it was Algeria. Now I don't remember why I thought that. Anyone else know? I believe that Algeria is a French speaking nation.
We may be thinking too much about this Ajira airlines thing though. It is only part of a game this year.

[abcd1234]

No the canoe and waterbottle were in the future. The wreckage was not rousseau's boat, remember they got on the island in an inflatible octagon

[Chicagoish]

Thanks for the help. All of the Losties are time jumping on the island though they are not all together.
What I am discovering about the time jumps is that they seem to be swinging back and forth, like a pendulum. .

I was thinking the same, because Ellie is using that Pendulum sort of device back in LA to track the "open window." 70-hours. .... Remember it was making chalk marks on the floor...

[islander]

I was thinking the same, because Ellie is using that Pendulum sort of device back in LA to track the "open window." 70-hours. .... Remember it was making chalk marks on the floor...

Glad you mentioned that pendulum. Don't pendulums swing back and forth on a single plane? Ellie's pendulum has multiple planes with a common point in the middle. Has anyone seen a pendulum like that?

[notsolost42]

I was thinking the same, because Ellie is using that Pendulum sort of device back in LA to track the "open window." 70-hours. .... Remember it was making chalk marks on the floor...

Well, I guess. But that's not exactly what a Foucault Pendulum does. It basically tracks a location based on its proximaty to the equator, the earths rotation and gravity. What Mrs. H was writing on the blackboard were mathematical equations relating to Probability, gravitational acceleration, and such. Neither of the two things are tracking an open window but rather the two things combined will show the probability of the location at some point in time.

[Chicagoish]

Glad you mentioned that pendulum. Don't pendulums swing back and forth on a single plane? Ellie's pendulum has multiple planes with a common point in the middle. Has anyone seen a pendulum like that?

I sure don't know the specifics of a pendulum, but I thought it odd she had one there, and I just grabbed a the idea of the back and forth movement, and also the back and forth swings of the Island..

Besides getting the right "TIME" doesn't she need the right azemuth, etc. I'm sure that's different as well..

[notsolost42]

Please find my thread about Foucault Pendulums.

[notsolost42]

I would like to offer up one further piece of evidence that the island is time jumping and just dragging the losties with it.

If the losties were time jumping then John Locke would not be able to walk when they were in the years between 2000 and 2004. John Locke was tossed out Anthony Cooper's window in 2000 and became paralyzed. John Locke regained his use of his legs in 2004 when 815 crashed. Any time jump inbetween those years by John Locke himself would mean he was paralyzed again. The island is dragging the present day (2004) losties with it as it hurtles through the universe of spacetime.

[Ben 'Dover' Linus]

I would like to offer up one further piece of evidence that the island is time jumping and just dragging the losties with it.

If the losties were time jumping then John Locke would not be able to walk when they were in the years between 2000 and 2004. John Locke was tossed out Anthony Cooper's window in 2000 and became paralyzed. John Locke regained his use of his legs in 2004 when 815 crashed. Any time jump inbetween those years by John Locke himself would mean he was paralyzed again. The island is dragging the present day (2004) losties with it as it hurtles through the universe of spacetime.

I agree but its obvious already by the fact that the island disappeared in front of the O6 eyes...

[notsolost42]

I agree but its obvious already by the fact that the island disappeared in front of the O6 eyes...

But, the island itself, if that is really what it is, would be in that location for eons. But, as I have said before, it is not an island.

[Missie]

No, I have to disagree with that. The canoe and Ajira bottle were on the beach along with the old and rusty items with French writing,right? I had assumed that those things belonged to Danielle and her crew. Maybe you are bringing up a valid point. Maybe assuming is bad. Ajira airlines is based from what country? I thought for some reason it was Algeria. Now I don't remember why I thought that. Anyone else know? I believe that Algeria is a French speaking nation.
We may be thinking too much about this Ajira airlines thing though. It is only part of a game this year.

It was a future flash. The losties were back at there camp and discovered that someone else had been there and drank all their beer.

[notsolost42]

It was a future flash. The losties were back at there camp and discovered that someone else had been there and drank all their beer.

Well, which time jump had the rusty cans in French? How does it fit in the sequence of jumps?

[Missie]

Well, which time jump had the rusty cans in French? How does it fit in the sequence of jumps?

That would be the next flash. After the losties were in the canoo being shot at, the flash came and it was raining. They rowed to shore and found the french crash site which had apparently just happened in the current storm. Then we see the french team on the raft rescue Jin.

[islander]

Please find my thread about Foucault Pendulums.

I read your previous thread about Foucault Pendulums. I can see using one on the island to figure out where the island is, but what good is it in LA when you're trying to find an island in the Pacific?

[Pung]

No, I have to disagree with that. The canoe and Ajira bottle were on the beach along with the old and rusty items with French writing,right? I had assumed that those things belonged to Danielle and her crew. Maybe you are bringing up a valid point. Maybe assuming is bad. Ajira airlines is based from what country? I thought for some reason it was Algeria. Now I don't remember why I thought that. Anyone else know? I believe that Algeria is a French speaking nation.
We may be thinking too much about this Ajira airlines thing though. It is only part of a game this year.


I'm pretty sure in last epi juliet said that ajira airlines was based in India

[notsolost42]

I read your previous thread about Foucault Pendulums. I can see using one on the island to figure out where the island is, but what good is it in LA when you're trying to find an island in the Pacific?

I think it may work based on location data as follows:

The situation is more complicated for other latitudes. On the equator, the pendulum would not precess at all - its precession period is infinite. At intermediate latitudes the period has intermediate values. One can calculate that the precession period for an ideal pendulum and support system is 23.93 hours divided by the sine of the latitude (see details). For example, at Sydney's latitude of 34 degrees S, the period is about 43 hours, a precession rate of about one degree every seven minutes.

What does non-rotating mean? What is the frame of reference in which centrifugal and Coriolis forces vanish, the frame where Newton's laws work? Observationally, we find that this Newtonian or inertial frame is one in which the distant galaxies are not rotating. But if we removed everything in the universe except the earth, how would we know if the earth were turning or not? How would the pendulum know whether to precess or not? Or, to put the question formally, is it just a coincidence that the frame in which the distant galaxies do not rotate is an inertial frame? Ernst Mach thought not, and speculated that the distant stars must somehow affect inertia (Mach's Principle), but no-one has yet come up with a successful and elegant theory. The recent cosmological hypothesis of the inflationary universe offers hope of a different resolution: if the universe expanded exceedingly rapidly in its early phase, any initial rotation will have slowed down correspondingly and so the distant objects have almost no rotation.