Little Charlie

[PJlost]

The more I keep thinking about it...
Would it be possible for Desmond's Charlie to be the Driveshaft Charlie. In one scene it showed little Charlie with a mole on his right cheek and that cute turned up nose just like Driveshaft Charlie (sorry I can't remember his last name and I think that was the name of his band) Is it possible with all the time stuff going on? Who were his parents? Wasn't he the older brother? Couldn't Desmond and Penny have another son down the road or am I way off?

[natego]

He was NOT the older brother, Liam was.

[PJlost]

Well...could there still be some twist in there. He just looked so much like the older Charlie with the blonde curly hair and all.

[rochnative]

Charlie had an older brother named Liam. Unless Penny and Desmond have another child which we do not know about, it wouldn't make sense for it to be that Charlie. More than likely they named him Charlie to comemorate Charlie or Penny's father (Charles). I wondered the same thing when I first heard the name, but it does not make sense.

[PJlost]

Does it mention his parents in one of the past episodes? Not too much makes sense anyway with lost so that's why I just wanted to throw this out there. I love this show!!!!

[collinE]

slightly off the subject, but when Charlie was a little boy and his Dad is trying to get him to jump into the water, you can here someone in the background yell "Desmond!"

I doubt it has any significance, but it's a cool easter egg.

[bunnydixon]

i dont think he is charlie pace or charles widmore :)

[PJlost]

There's always some significance. What episode does Charlie's dad do that? I don't remember ever seeing his parents? Does it show his dad trying to jump in the water? Could someone be calling Desmond and that be his dad?

[Unbridled Pageantry]

There's always some significance. What episode does Charlie's dad do that? I don't remember ever seeing his parents? Does it show his dad trying to jump in the water? Could someone be calling Desmond and that be his dad?

The dad that they show for Charlie is definately not Desmond; he's not fat, but well rounded.

I'm not sure who little Charlie will turn out to be, if anyone, but I have been thinking.
They only show Charlie Pace from the age of 6(estimating) and up. So they could have some type of possible adoption scenario, or something like that. If Charlie Pace knew that he was adopted it could explain alot of his family abandonment issues. It's something that they could easily say had happened, and would fit to the story they've laid out of Charlie's life.

Just a thought of how it could work out.

[DharmaRecruit44]

Interesting. I can't remember if Charlie's brother Liam is older than him or younger.

[collinE]

Liam does always say "baby brother" a lot.

I couldn't tell you which episode it was. Maybe one of the ones from last season when he is about to dive to the underwater hatch. I'd never seen an episode of Lost until about two weeks ago and so they all kinda run together. :) They talked on the DVD's about forums that discuss the theories of the show, so here I am.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Interesting. I can't remember if Charlie's brother Liam is older than him or younger.

Charlie is younger than Liam, and the episode that shows his dad is the finale of season 3, when Charlie's going through his greatest hits.

[PJlost]

I went back and watched "Greatest Hits" and saw when his father is trying to get him to jump in the water. You do hear someone in the back say, "Desmond, come on." You never know...but you certainly can't assume anything. Little Charlie may be Charlie Pace! I'm sticking to it. Call me out on it next season if it doesn't hold true but for now the resemblance of little Charlie to Charlie Pace was too close for me.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

I went back and watched "Greatest Hits" and saw when his father is trying to get him to jump in the water. You do hear someone in the back say, "Desmond, come on." You never know...but you certainly can't assume anything. Little Charlie may be Charlie Pace! I'm sticking to it. Call me out on it next season if it doesn't hold true but for now the resemblance of little Charlie to Charlie Pace was too close for me.


They could also easily add in something of Desmond checking on a young Charlie, if he goes through similar flashes in the future.

Was it a woman or a man that says calls for Desmond?

[Makemelost]

guys i think we're trying to milk the show a LITTLEE more than its worth. charlie is the same age as desmond, that wouldnt work. i think desmond just named his kid AFTER charlie because charlie is kind of the one who got him reconnected with penny, among other things, got desmond off the island, ect

[collinE]

I agree. You could go crazy making up all kinds of things from the storyline, but now that Unbridled Pageantry mentions it, that would be cool if they made it into a time travel thing.

[heavensprincess]

They could also easily add in something of Desmond checking on a young Charlie, if he goes through similar flashes in the future.

Was it a woman or a man that says calls for Desmond?

It was another child that shouted out "Desmond come on". I can't remember if it was a boy or a girl though but it was definitely a child.

[sirchin]

I think Dez. named their baby Charlie as a memoriam to well "Charlie" our Charlie from the island.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

I think Dez. named their baby Charlie as a memoriam to well "Charlie" our Charlie from the island.

I dont' believe that lil Charlie will grow up to be Charlie Pace; just thinkin' of ways that it could work out

[MrEchoLives]

in the enhanced version of the show last week, it said that little charlie was named after charlie pace.
The show is a risk taker and comes out of left field alot...but even that would be a bit much(pace being panny and des's kid)

[PJlost]

All I know is that Little Charlie and Island Charlie do look alike and to not completely count it out yet. never say never...hee hee

[natego]

Just rewatched "Walkabout".. In passing, Charlie mentions his Grandfather was dead. If he was the baby, that would mean Widmore is still alive, but Desmond's Grandfather was dead.. anyone remember Desmond's family history?

[az-phil]

You got it all wrong. Desmond is a huge Peanuts fan, and named his kid after Charlie Brown.

[im a bloody rock god]

Come on guys, it makes no sense whatsoever for him to actually be Charlie Pace. From the 3 pages i haven't seen anything that even consitiutes a theory of how it would work.

[ortrules]

Why Charlie Hume is not Charlie Pace:

1. Different last names. Desmond Hume and Penny Widmore - where does Pace come from?
2. Charlie has an older brother named Liam.
3. Charlie's parents names are Simon and Megan.
4. Charlie's parents names are not Desmond and Penny.
5. If Charlie's parents were named Desmond and Penny, Charlie likely would have pointed this out to us already as a small coincidence.
6. Charlie's dad is a butcher and wanted Charlie and Liam to be butchers. He was vehemently opposed to them being musicians.

[5starboss]

# 7. ort says so!

[Jaystar™]

I'm sticking to the fact that he named his son after Charlie because he misses him.

[370662]

I dont think charlie pace is little charlie, but I do think there could be a connection in desmonds name being called. But this may be just one of the answered things that lost left open to possibly use but have ran out of time - eg Libby being at the mental hospital with hurley.

[collinE]

eg Libby being at the mental hospital with hurley.

seriously, that bugged me. I don't know why her character was cut short.

[rock-lobster]

Why Charlie Hume is not Charlie Pace:

1. Different last names. Desmond Hume and Penny Widmore - where does Pace come from?
2. Charlie has an older brother named Liam.
3. Charlie's parents names are Simon and Megan.
4. Charlie's parents names are not Desmond and Penny.
5. If Charlie's parents were named Desmond and Penny, Charlie likely would have pointed this out to us already as a small coincidence.
6. Charlie's dad is a butcher and wanted Charlie and Liam to be butchers. He was vehemently opposed to them being musicians.

i still think it's unlikely to be true, but NONE of these would be anything concrete if it turns out charlie pace was adopted.

i'm not sure i would like that, but it's possible.

[370662]

seriously, that bugged me. I don't know why her character was cut short.

I know! I think there could have been a really good reason for that and I want lost to explain it in an episode!
But I have a feeling she may pop up somewhere... maybe as part of the D.I etc

[Doc]

Think of this possibility: Ben killed Penny and Desmond got on the plane. Before getting on the plane and after beating up Ben, Desmond made sure that Little Charlie was taken care of. Charlie was adopted by the Pace's... the time does not work. Sorry about that. But it could be more than a coincedence that Ben left Locke with a Butcher, and Charlie's dad was a butcher. Is there a way this could work out, such as Little Charlie somehow going back in time.

[quakes]

After the episode that we learned the name of Desmond's and Penelope's son, I also had the crazy idea that it could be the Charlie Pace. After reading the evidence, I'm convinced. Ben promised he would kill Penny and said the island was not done with Desmond. Charlie could've been adopted by the butcher lady who has a connection with the island and therefore time travel. Which means Charlie could go back in time and grow up being near the same age as his parents. He was born (according to Lostpedia) in 1979 which is sometime when our losties are now.
But to cap it all off, I think that fate had to kill Charlie because he was going to be born soon. So that he had to die so that his present self would not exist in two places at once.
Another reason I think that he is Desmond's son is that they were strongly connected. Desmond saw him when his conscious(i think) traveled through time. Also, it would give more meaning to Desmond saving Charlie from death. Instead of saving a friend, he would be saving his son so he could spend more time with him. Then Charlie at his death reunites his parents.
It just seems to fit.

[razonje]

I think you all think wayyyyyy too much. Desmond became such good friends with Charlie and just wanted to honor him, therefore named his son Charlie. There is no way little Charlie becomes rockstar Charlie.

[Doc]

Of course there is a way, this is Lost.

[razonje]

Of course there is a way, this is Lost.

ok ok i will give you that....but it has to be highly unlikely.

[MrEchoLives]

I said it before, but in the enhanced version it points out that des and penny's son is named charlie. It say specifically that he is named after charlie pace from the island who des was friends with..... If it were anything else, then TPTB wouldnt have commented on it in the enhanced version

[Doc]

Desmond and Penny might have truly meant to name him after Charlie Pace, yet it is possible they fulfilled fate unknowingly. They named their son, Charlie after Charlie, and he will grow up to be Charlie.:D

[PJlost]

Just remember that I posted it here first and nobody believed me. I still think that the writers would not have made the baby and the toddler look so much like our Charlie unless they wanted us to at least think about it. That may be all it is but not in one post has anyone mentioned they see the same things I do (the mole, cute nose and blonde curly hair). Why would the writers go to such extremes...just to make us ask more questions and hypothesize about nothing relevant? I don't think so. Again...just my opinion.

[razonje]

Maybe Ben did kill Penny and Charlie or possibly somehow seperated them from Des, and now Desmond will sail away and crash on the island again, just like before, because the o6 had to go back in as close a way as possible, so maybe Des does too??? Did that just make any sense?:confused:

[egaio]

I hate to sound rude, but why are people on here so obsessed with coming up with absurd and in some cases incestrial relationships between the characters on the show? Yes the writers have made clever connections in the past where characters may have had common interests or crossed paths without knowing at the time, but this speculation is a little ridiculous...Penny giving birth to her own father, Jack and his Grandfather being one in the same, Ben a younger version of Whidmore, Charlie Pace being Desmonds son, Daniel as Charrolettes father??? Just because Jack and Claire both have the same father that doesn't mean that everybody on the island is some how strangely related to each other.

Sorry I had to vent

"I am your father's brother's sister"s cousin"s former college roomate"- Dark Helmet, Spaceballs

[ortrules]

I hate to sound rude, but why are people on here so obsessed with coming up with absurd and in some cases incestrial relationships between the characters on the show? Yes the writers have made clever connections in the past where characters may have had common interests or crossed paths without knowing at the time, but this speculation is a little ridiculous...Penny giving birth to her own father, Jack and his Grandfather being one in the same, Ben a younger version of Whidmore, Charlie Pace being Desmonds son, Daniel as Charrolettes father??? Just because Jack and Claire both have the same father that doesn't mean that everybody on the island is some how strangely related to each other.

Sorry I had to vent

"I am your father's brother's sister"s cousin"s former college roomate"- Dark Helmet, Spaceballs

It's true, it seems like a common event these days. It seems many people are using time travel as an excuse to explain any theory they want.

[razonje]

I hate to sound rude, but why are people on here so obsessed with coming up with absurd and in some cases incestrial relationships between the characters on the show? Yes the writers have made clever connections in the past where characters may have had common interests or crossed paths without knowing at the time, but this speculation is a little ridiculous...Penny giving birth to her own father, Jack and his Grandfather being one in the same, Ben a younger version of Whidmore, Charlie Pace being Desmonds son, Daniel as Charrolettes father??? Just because Jack and Claire both have the same father that doesn't mean that everybody on the island is some how strangely related to each other.

Sorry I had to vent

"I am your father's brother's sister"s cousin"s former college roomate"- Dark Helmet, Spaceballs

I couldnt agree more...some peeps are thinking a bit too much

[PJlost]

Charlie Pace is Desmond and Penny's son. You'll see! That's the only theory I'm sticking to. Little Charlie looks just like Island Charlie (mole on the right cheek, cute nose and blonde curly hair) It's just that simple egaio. The writers did that for a reason. No theory is absurd anyway. It is ONLY a theory. Everybody posts things to get others to think about it. What's wrong with that? My theory doesn't have anything to do with Penny being the mother of Widmore or Jack being "Grandad." It is the simple theory that somehow island Charlie turns out to be Desmond's little Charlie. Now my venting is done.

[xlate_lostx]

Yep, I totally have to agree with everything thats been said, everything in lost does happen for a reason, i was waiting for ages to hear what his son was called, but it did cross my mind that with the time travel going on it could be Charlie, but I knew his last name werent Hume or Whitemore, plus the butcher thing PLUS Liam being older, PLUS - and this will not make any sense!!! but wouldnt Desmond recognise him as his own son - if not on the island then at least when he had the flash back/time travel (season 3 I think)

Personally, (and we all know that opinions count for sweet FA here, as anything can happen) i just thought that without Charlie no1 would have got off the island and secondly charlie made contact with penny - given her hope/faith that she was close to findin desmond - he gave his life for that - and without that they would not be 2gether and there would be no Charlie Jnr...but as it has been pointed out NOTHING IN LOST HAPPENS BY CHANCE!!!

[abcd1234]

I agree totally

[MagicoA]

slightly off the subject, but when Charlie was a little boy and his Dad is trying to get him to jump into the water, you can here someone in the background yell "Desmond!"

I doubt it has any significance, but it's a cool easter egg.

ironically i just watched that episode earlier 2day and didnt catch that but cool lol

[Avatar24]

I think the theory is a little far-fetched but I dont think its impossible . . . I just wanna know how the time travel would work out . . . like HOW would this happen??

Good theory though:cool:

[Mat]

Well this theory would work out on the island! If Little Charlie was taken to the island, in the 70's (ironically the same time the oceanics are in right now) (probably), and then taken off the island, then that would make him about the same age as old Charlie, in present time. He could have easily been adopted, if penny and or des dies and once taken off the island, he will be growing up in the 70's instead of the 00's.

[Beezers34]

Lostpedia says that "Charlie is the son of Desmond and Penelope Widmore. He was named after Oceanic 815 survivor Charlie Pace." I don't know how accurate lostpedia is but it sounds right to me. I know this show gets confusing with all the flashbacks and flashfowards all jumbled around, but I think this is pretty straightfoward. I don't think there is any hidden theory in this one.

[abcd1234]

I just wanted to say when I previously posted "I totally agree" I was agreeing with all these theories being silly, not agreeing desmonds baby is charlie rockstar

[ortrules]

Lostpedia says that "Charlie is the son of Desmond and Penelope Widmore. He was named after Oceanic 815 survivor Charlie Pace." I don't know how accurate lostpedia is but it sounds right to me. I know this show gets confusing with all the flashbacks and flashfowards all jumbled around, but I think this is pretty straightfoward. I don't think there is any hidden theory in this one.

In the extended episode with all the pop-up things they do, this was confirmed. It said:

"Penny and Des will name their son Charlie after Charlie Pace, an Oceanic 815 survivor who died on the island in an attempt to secure rescue."

I don't think it extends anywhere beyond this. They named their son after Desmond's friend Charlie, and he grows up to be Charlie Hume - not a rock star member of Drive Shaft.

[Chronos]

I dont think charlie pace is little charlie, but I do think there could be a connection in desmonds name being called. But this may be just one of the answered things that lost left open to possibly use but have ran out of time - eg Libby being at the mental hospital with hurley.

I think there's more to the Desmond / Charlie connection than simply that episode where we hear Desmond's name when Charlie was a child. Think about it... Desmond spent a lot of effort on saving Charlie from various scenarios where he was supposed to die. Plus, Desmond went with Charlie down to the Looking Glass. There is definitely a connection between these two characters, but I'm not sure that little Charlie is Charlie Pace.

[Avatar24]

Its a possibility but lets look at how this would play out . . .

Charlie Hume is born.
Brought into the past and adopted as Charlie Pace.

How would desmond have know that Charlie Hume is Charlie Pace??? It doesnt really make sense. The whole thing with "Desmond" at he pool, I feel that its a coincidence. Maybe its not but I've been thinking about HOW this could happen and it doesnt make sense.

Maybe the writers can figue it out but what I'm saying is that Desmond would really have no way of knowing that they were the same Charlie if he was killed (Desmond, as someone said in their theory).

IDK its confusing thinking about it lol :confused::confused::confused:

[woogie]

The only way for this to work is if a baby born in 2005 (roughly) time traveled back to the 70's. Up to this point we have not seen any evidence on how to go back in time when you did not exist OFF the island. No one has seem to gone physically back in time off the island. The only possible exception is Richard, but thats an entire theory on its own.

Up to this point the only forms of time travel we have seen are:
1. Flashing - travel randomly through the timeline of the island.
2. Moving the island - (this one is relative) the amount of time you spent flashing seems to influence when (how far in the future) you come out. Ben was never flashing but moved the island first, he arived in Tunisia a few months after the O6 left. However, it took Locke a few days to figure things out and move the island. He was flashing for what seemed to be about 4 days for him. Therefore he came out further in the future. So it appears that the people stuck flashing seem to have altered/slowed sense of time. Island time continued normally and time off the Island continues normally. However, if your flashing, when you stop there is know telling when you are and how long you've been wherever you've been.
3. Conscience - time travel in your mind. Desmond was able to travel back and forth in time via his conscience. He never traveled to a time that he didn't exist before, ie before he was born.

Now, I will be stand corrected if it's the case that you leave 70's Dharma island you come out in 70's real world. We know that Kate/Jack/Hurley are pretty assumably on the island in Dharma times. Now, say that they had a boat and knew the bearing to leave and left. When they entered the real world again would it be the 70 or 80's or would it be back to present?? It will be interesting as to how the show explains this.

[PJlost]

In season 2-fire and water episode, Charlie gets a piano for Christmas. His mother tells him he is very special and then his brother tells him the only way to save his family is to play...interesting-go back and watch for yourself

[Unbridled Pageantry]

In season 2-fire and water episode, Charlie gets a piano for Christmas. His mother tells him he is very special and then his brother tells him the only way to save his family is to play...interesting-go back and watch for yourself


That is very interesting, when you look at how Charlie decoded the jammer down in the Looking Glass.
I have to agree with PJlost that anything is possible, and there's nothing stopping the writers from making it apart of the story.

And yes, I know that Desmond named the baby after Charlie Pace, I know that he didn't name him that because he knew it would grow up to be Charlie Pace.

And this is Lost, what's so crazy about this concept???
-a paralyzed man can walk
-cancer can be cured, and caused by wether the island wants you
-guns will jam if you point it at your own head, but only if the island needs you.
-there's a smoke monster that takes the forms of people and can see your every memory
-a child experiences time travel and is raised by another family.

Suddenly that last one doesn't sound so out there.