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NOIDEAWHATSGOINGON
02-11-2009, 01:55 PM
First time poster here and sorry if this is in the wrong season since it is pertaining to season one, but it also has to do with season 5. Forgive me if this has already been discussed.
Does anyone think that knowing what we know now that the opening scene of Pilot part 1 where Jack is laying on his back all by himself in the jungle is actually when he goes back to the island? I think we've been told that the 06 don't all go back at the same time so I was wondering if this in fact Jack going back to the island after he got off the island but he had to go back in the past. I know its confusing and I'm not sure how or if it even works, but it seems like when he came to in the jungle he knew exactly how to get to the beach and kinda seemed like he knew what to expect. He wasn't panicking or freaking out or anything. I know he is a doctor and he is under high pressure situations in surgery, but he seems way too comfortable in the situation, like maybe he's been there before. I'm sure this has already been discussed and again I am sorry, wanted to get some feedback.
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NOIDEAWHATSGOINGON
02-11-2009, 02:48 PM
Guess I could have posted this in the theory section as well. Sorry.
JfromtheD
02-11-2009, 02:53 PM
I personally think they get back on Ajira flight 316.
But I like the idea.
I'm skeptical that Jack is actually waking up from the plane crash, in episode one.:)
LostFreak21
02-11-2009, 02:58 PM
Hi NOIDEAWHATSGOINON:)
I think from watching season one again that there is something fishy about that season! I think it is strange how there isn't any noise of the plane crash or people screaming until he is almost there. Why did he land in the jungle part? Please don't be worried about the posting thing. Can't wait until tonight!
b-rod
02-11-2009, 03:20 PM
I actually thought of that too.. At the beginning we don't hear anything.
Also charlie is on the cockpit and ends up at the beach but he might of make it in time to somewhere in the middle of the plane but now how do they explain cindy?? She was knocking at the bathroom door in the cockpit where charlie was so how does she end up in the tail section of the plane??
bunnydixon
02-11-2009, 03:35 PM
hmm - i've heard suggestions that the show ends as it begins with jack in the jungle, but this is a new slant on that.
not sure if i am buying it because, if this was him returning....surely he would be armed with all the knowledge of having been on the island?
5starboss
02-11-2009, 03:39 PM
First time poster here and sorry if this is in the wrong season since it is pertaining to season one, but it also has to do with season 5. Forgive me if this has already been discussed.
Does anyone think that knowing what we know now that the opening scene of Pilot part 1 where Jack is laying on his back all by himself in the jungle is actually when he goes back to the island? I think we've been told that the 06 don't all go back at the same time so I was wondering if this in fact Jack going back to the island after he got off the island but he had to go back in the past. I know its confusing and I'm not sure how or if it even works, but it seems like when he came to in the jungle he knew exactly how to get to the beach and kinda seemed like he knew what to expect. He wasn't panicking or freaking out or anything. I know he is a doctor and he is under high pressure situations in surgery, but he seems way too comfortable in the situation, like maybe he's been there before. I'm sure this has already been discussed and again I am sorry, wanted to get some feedback.
Thanks to all of you for all of these threads, it keeps me going at work all day and you are all great. Thanks. :)
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5starboss
02-11-2009, 03:42 PM
I actually thought of that too.. At the beginning we don't hear anything.
Also charlie is on the cockpit and ends up at the beach but he might of make it in time to somewhere in the middle of the plane but now how do they explain cindy?? She was knocking at the bathroom door in the cockpit where charlie was so how does she end up in the tail section of the plane??
I might be totally wrong here, but didnt she rush to the back and sit down in the "stewardess/employee section" to buckle her seat belt due to the turbulence?
NOIDEAWHATSGOINGON
02-11-2009, 03:49 PM
I'M A MULTI TASKER...LOL.
Yeah I was thinking that Jack would know what to expect which is why I said I wasn't sure how it would work like maybe when he was about to go back to the island, Ben told him that he goes back at the time of the crash, but he can't go to the beach to help the people because his old self is already there. Maybe when we see Jack wake up in the jungle and we assume he is running to the beach he is actually running to the temple or somewhere that Ben told him to go so he wouldn't run into his "old" self. The pilot doesn't show his entire journey from the jungle to the beach, it shows him getting up and running and then flashes to Jack on the beach. Maybe that is the Jack from the crash, but not the Jack that we see in the opening scene in the jungle. I don't know, I'm really reaching here and there are theories out there way better than mine, but something doesn't seem right about that opening scene. Thanks for reading.
NOIDEAWHATSGOINGON
02-11-2009, 03:51 PM
Yeah, remember she stops when the seat belt light comes on to make the announcement, I don't think she makes it all the way to the bathroom where Charlie is.
islander
02-11-2009, 03:59 PM
That entire crash scene is a mystery. No way anyone should have survived a crash like that...period.
ortrules
02-11-2009, 04:16 PM
First time poster here and sorry if this is in the wrong season since it is pertaining to season one, but it also has to do with season 5. Forgive me if this has already been discussed.
Does anyone think that knowing what we know now that the opening scene of Pilot part 1 where Jack is laying on his back all by himself in the jungle is actually when he goes back to the island? I think we've been told that the 06 don't all go back at the same time so I was wondering if this in fact Jack going back to the island after he got off the island but he had to go back in the past. I know its confusing and I'm not sure how or if it even works, but it seems like when he came to in the jungle he knew exactly how to get to the beach and kinda seemed like he knew what to expect. He wasn't panicking or freaking out or anything. I know he is a doctor and he is under high pressure situations in surgery, but he seems way too comfortable in the situation, like maybe he's been there before. I'm sure this has already been discussed and again I am sorry, wanted to get some feedback.
I don't think this is a possibility. A lot of the crash stuff is a mystery, like why Jack landed so far in the jungle, but I don't think this is the case.
Surely I think Jack would remember being on the island before and he would come to expect everything that happens if this was the case. I also think that the opening scene where he doesn't hear anything is just a "calm before the storm" type setup. After the crash, no doubt Jack was a little messed up in the head, possibly in a euphoric state after surviving a crash, so it took him a little bit to get his bearings and realize everything that happened.
On a side note, that opening scene is one of the greatest scenes ever. It's so much more powerful in full silence and then we realize that a plane had just crashed and panic ensues.
Jaystar™
02-11-2009, 04:21 PM
I think this is an amazing Theory it's just so strange that Jack wakes up exactly as how Ben did when he moved the Island.
NOIDEAWHATSGOINGON
02-11-2009, 04:32 PM
EXACTLY, I was going to include that, but didn't know what you guys would think since I was so new to the site. That was my exact thought. I still don't know how it all would work, but it kinda makes a little sense, in my mind at least. Can't wait to see tonights epi.
NOIDEAWHATSGOINGON
02-11-2009, 04:35 PM
I don't think this is a possibility. A lot of the crash stuff is a mystery, like why Jack landed so far in the jungle, but I don't think this is the case.
Surely I think Jack would remember being on the island before and he would come to expect everything that happens if this was the case. I also think that the opening scene where he doesn't hear anything is just a "calm before the storm" type setup. After the crash, no doubt Jack was a little messed up in the head, possibly in a euphoric state after surviving a crash, so it took him a little bit to get his bearings and realize everything that happened.
On a side note, that opening scene is one of the greatest scenes ever. It's so much more powerful in full silence and then we realize that a plane had just crashed and panic ensues.
This is kinda how I continued on my post:
Yeah I was thinking that Jack would know what to expect which is why I said I wasn't sure how it would work like maybe when he was about to go back to the island, Ben told him that he goes back at the time of the crash, but he can't go to the beach to help the people because his old self is already there. Maybe when we see Jack wake up in the jungle and we assume he is running to the beach he is actually running to the temple or somewhere that Ben told him to go so he wouldn't run into his "old" self. The pilot doesn't show his entire journey from the jungle to the beach, it shows him getting up and running and then flashes to Jack on the beach. Maybe that is the Jack from the crash, but not the Jack that we see in the opening scene in the jungle. I don't know, I'm really reaching here and there are theories out there way better than mine, but something doesn't seem right about that opening scene. Thanks for reading.
Jaystar™
02-11-2009, 04:35 PM
EXACTLY, I was going to include that, but didn't know what you guys would think since I was so new to the site. That was my exact thought. I still don't know how it all would work, but it kinda makes a little sense, in my mind at least. Can't wait to see tonights epi.
Well I for one love your Theory but one question I have though is.Why would only Jack have to get back to the Island by himself,why can't they all go back with each other.
misterwic
02-11-2009, 05:28 PM
I have always thought there was something in that scene that is telling. Just haven't been able to put it together yet. The one thing that I have noticed in the times that I have watched the Pilot is, if you slow it down and look at Jacks's pupils, there seems to be a reflection of something that looks very similiar to the smoke monster. I know this is old news but has anyone looked at this recently?
Ben 'Dover' Linus
02-11-2009, 05:36 PM
I like theory as well, but it doesnt make sense in the long run. Jack's actions since the pilot episode and later seasons do not reflect those of someone who has been to the island before and just got back. I think the first scene with him on his back has great significance somehow, with what everyone has already stated in earlier posts.
thelawgiver
02-11-2009, 05:40 PM
Nice theories, but explain the suit and tie. Jack is wearing a dark suit and tie in mourning for his father, whose coffin is in the belly of the plane. Same suit and tie while lying in the jungle. Why, or how, would he be wearing the same garb if he jumped from the future to the past?
Maybe that is the Jack from the crash, but not the Jack that we see in the opening scene in the jungle.
Very interesting. The O6 Jack has been somewhere else on the island this whole time. Can anyone think of a time when something conveniently appeared, or help was provided from an unknown source. Or maybe when a person enters a time that they are already in, they end up taking an alternate form.
NOIDEAWHATSGOINGON
02-11-2009, 06:02 PM
Trust me, I don't think I have the answer...lol, just a theory. That opening scene always seemed strange to me. Can't wait to see how it ends.
misterwic
02-11-2009, 06:03 PM
Nice theories, but explain the suit and tie. Jack is wearing a dark suit and tie in mourning for his father, whose coffin is in the belly of the plane. Same suit and tie while lying in the jungle. Why, or how, would he be wearing the same garb if he jumped from the future to the past?
yes also similiar to the suit he is wearing while they are preparing to go back to the island now. But instead of his "dead" father in the coffin, its Locke's "dead" body. I think the more important question is, how many times has Jack brought the coffin of a "dead" person to this Island.
Ben 'Dover' Linus
02-11-2009, 06:29 PM
I just had a thought about how the O6 get back...
In season 3 I believe, Juliet makes a comment to Sawyer that they are building a runway, in reference to having Kate and Sawyer dig and break rocks. She said it was for the aliens - which was probably just a smart comment on Juliet's part.
But what if that runway is for the Ajira airways plane, that could potentially be holding the O6? We dont know the status of that runway at this point (or if it really was a runway) but could be a link of some kind...
Unbridled Pageantry
02-11-2009, 06:43 PM
I just had a thought about how the O6 get back...
In season 3 I believe, Juliet makes a comment to Sawyer that they are building a runway, in reference to having Kate and Sawyer dig and break rocks. She said it was for the aliens - which was probably just a smart comment on Juliet's part.
But what if that runway is for the Ajira airways plane, that could potentially be holding the O6? We dont know the status of that runway at this point (or if it really was a runway) but could be a link of some kind...
I 100% agree that they are crashing onto that runway!!!
That's also where the zodiac went to from the beach. Sawyer will take it over to the other island to pick up the returning 06.
damon
02-11-2009, 06:57 PM
I like the new Jack vs old Jack theory. It makes sense to me.
Maybe, just a thought, a stretch, really, but what if when Jack sees Christian, he's really seeing the other him. Like when Harry Potter saw himself across the lake in Prisoner of Azkaban! Hehehe!!! Maybe?
Eko'sEcho
02-11-2009, 06:59 PM
True, Jack would know what was going on if he were to time travel back. However, what if Jack never survived the crash? He was never there to begin with, and thus only knows of the crash, but not specifics.
I have to say, I never realized the similarities between Jack in the opening scene, and Ben when he turned the wheel.
I know it's got a ton of holes, but I'm just tossing it out there.
That is a great thought about the runway...
back to the original plane crash. it is a very powerful scene and a fun theory to think about. I've always felt that there has to be more explination of the plane crash itself. One of the biggest things that stood out for me was when they had the scene of the others watching the plane crash (i think from the barracks) and then Ben calmly starts giving orders to everyone on what to do (like Ethan joining them, etc). Especially with all that we know now since then, it seems that there is a lot more to the plane crash. I cant wait to find out!:)
NOIDEAWHATSGOINGON
02-11-2009, 07:10 PM
True, Jack would know what was going on if he were to time travel back. However, what if Jack never survived the crash? He was never there to begin with, and thus only knows of the crash, but not specifics.
I have to say, I never realized the similarities between Jack in the opening scene, and Ben when he turned the wheel.
I know it's got a ton of holes, but I'm just tossing it out there.
I like it, it would make a lot of sense.
Ben 'Dover' Linus
02-11-2009, 07:15 PM
True, Jack would know what was going on if he were to time travel back. However, what if Jack never survived the crash? He was never there to begin with, and thus only knows of the crash, but not specifics.
I have to say, I never realized the similarities between Jack in the opening scene, and Ben when he turned the wheel.
I know it's got a ton of holes, but I'm just tossing it out there.
I agree with the similarities between Ben and Jack and turning the wheel... so I'll bite. What if there is a second wheel somewhere? The wheel on the island transports you to Tunisia (polar bear and Ben) What if another wheel exists that transports Jack to the island... But again it does not explain how Jack does not remember everything that happened to him and the survivors up to that point. Haha I have no idea.
But this completely contradicts my earlier post about the runway so I dont really believe this.
Jaystar™
02-11-2009, 07:38 PM
I agree with the similarities between Ben and Jack and turning the wheel... so I'll bite. What if there is a second wheel somewhere? The wheel on the island transports you to Tunisia (polar bear and Ben) What if another wheel exists that transports Jack to the island... But again it does not explain how Jack does not remember everything that happened to him and the survivors up to that point. Haha I have no idea.
But this completely contradicts my earlier post about the runway so I dont really believe this.
But if he was to wake up after travelling into the Past he wouldn't go to the Beach he would hide somewhere or something.:p
losttime
02-11-2009, 07:45 PM
I know they speak about something we all missed in the first episode of season 1 and that Jacob didnt have a speaking role. It made me think that Gary Troupe could be Jacob since he didnt have a speaking role. he was the one that ended up sucked into the engine and exploded. Its also where we see that black thing swoop down over the wing. I know the producers said it was a CGI error but I am not so convinced
Jaystar™
02-11-2009, 07:49 PM
I know they speak about something we all missed in the first episode of season 1 and that Jacob didnt have a speaking role. It made me think that Gary Troupe could be Jacob since he didnt have a speaking role. he was the one that ended up sucked into the engine and exploded. Its also where we see that black thing swoop down over the wing. I know the producers said it was a CGI error but I am not so convinced
But why would they make Jacob die like in the first 20 Minutes?
Lieutenant Dan
02-11-2009, 07:59 PM
I'm not so sure about the opening scene with Jack in the jungle being the way he gets back to the island.
I don't think the writers of the show had the forethought to plan out the opening scene so delicately. Don't get me wrong, I think the writers of the show are brilliant. But I mean... they didn't even know what was in the hatch until the beginning of season 2.
I do however think that they will use that opening scene in season 5 or 6 as a stunning call back to the first episode, but not necessarily to show that Jack has relived his entire time on the island once before.
losttime
02-11-2009, 08:01 PM
But why would they make Jacob die like in the first 20 Minutes?
Well we all know that death on the Island in not always what it seems.
losttime
02-11-2009, 08:05 PM
I do have to bring up something that Ben had said to Jack when he was asking Jack to give him the phone he was using to contact the boat at the end of season 3. Ben said that if Jack goes through with this than "history will be repeating itself" or somethign very similar to that. I think that was a very important statement for ben to make as if he knows what has already happened with the so-called time-loop they are in and if Jack gives him the phone than the Island's safety will be ensured.
natego
02-11-2009, 08:23 PM
The writers could have decided to make Ben's awakening similar to Jack's in the Pilot if they made a decision to relate Jack's waking to time-travel. In other words, perhaps they didnt have forethought with Jack's scene, but later decided to make the moment mean more so added in Ben's awakening scene to reference it.
DharmaRecruit44
02-11-2009, 08:40 PM
Also, what I was thinking is that one of the ways they knew Ethan was not with the original survivors was because he ran out of the jungle and wasn't wet like everyone else. Yet, no one said anything about Jack doing the exact same thing.
DharmaRecruit44
02-11-2009, 08:42 PM
I know they speak about something we all missed in the first episode of season 1 and that Jacob didnt have a speaking role. It made me think that Gary Troupe could be Jacob since he didnt have a speaking role. he was the one that ended up sucked into the engine and exploded. Its also where we see that black thing swoop down over the wing. I know the producers said it was a CGI error but I am not so convinced
Then why would Richard Alpert know about Jacob in the 1950's when John Locke mentioned his name? Doesn't make sense if he was a passenger on Oceanic 815.
natego
02-11-2009, 08:52 PM
Ethan's name was not on the manifest. This is how they know he wasn't on the plane.. there is no debate on this.
natego
02-11-2009, 08:54 PM
Then why would Richard Alpert know about Jacob in the 1950's when John Locke mentioned his name? Doesn't make sense if he was a passenger on Oceanic 815.
If anything, they would probably be referring to Jacob's reincarnate or taken form... I don't believe the theory myself tho.
DharmaRecruit44
02-11-2009, 08:55 PM
I know that Ethan's name wasn't on the manifest, but I was talking about when they were discussing him.
thelawgiver
02-11-2009, 10:12 PM
Folks. There is an overall strategy, but they also change on the fly. Recall that the Jack Sheppard character was slated to die early. Ben's character was only supposed to be one season and they expanded it. The big plant in Season One was apparantly Adam & Eve in the cave.
losttime
02-11-2009, 10:19 PM
Then why would Richard Alpert know about Jacob in the 1950's when John Locke mentioned his name? Doesn't make sense if he was a passenger on Oceanic 815.
Well no it doesnt make sense but does it make sense we have a smoke monster wondering around a jungle knocking down trees and killing people. or that we have an Island that doesnt let people die until it wants them too. Shall I go on?
Lieutenant Dan
02-11-2009, 10:24 PM
Folks. There is an overall strategy, but they also change on the fly. Recall that the Jack Sheppard character was slated to die early. Ben's character was only supposed to be one season and they expanded it. The big plant in Season One was apparantly Adam & Eve in the cave.
Exactly, well said.
losttime
02-11-2009, 10:50 PM
Folks. There is an overall strategy, but they also change on the fly. Recall that the Jack Sheppard character was slated to die early. Ben's character was only supposed to be one season and they expanded it. The big plant in Season One was apparantly Adam & Eve in the cave.
I thought Jack was supposed to die in the first episode but they chose to change that before they even filmed it? I could be wrong but I thought I read that. I know Bens character was supposed to be just a few episodes but kept him because he was an intriguing character and played well into the story line
LostFreak21
02-11-2009, 11:16 PM
...AND THEY NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD GET THIS FREAKED ABOUT IT EITHER!!!!
That is why I love this show so we can throw all these ideas around. I actually have learned things by looking things up.
McMason
02-11-2009, 11:37 PM
I know they speak about something we all missed in the first episode of season 1 and that Jacob didnt have a speaking role. It made me think that Gary Troupe could be Jacob since he didnt have a speaking role. he was the one that ended up sucked into the engine and exploded. Its also where we see that black thing swoop down over the wing. I know the producers said it was a CGI error but I am not so convinced
I still think the part we missed is Jack talking to Rose, on the beach, and she says we are all dead. I forget the exact conversation, but I do remember that phrase.
Jaystar™
02-12-2009, 12:18 AM
I still think the part we missed is Jack talking to Rose, on the beach, and she says we are all dead. I forget the exact conversation, but I do remember that phrase.
So what now are we saying Jacob can just jump from Bodys? I think it's Vincent.
I know it has been stated before, but with all the black and white symbolism on the show, it seems likely that Rose and Bernard will be Adam and Eve.
Beezers34
02-12-2009, 05:24 AM
I personally think they get back on Ajira flight 316.
But I like the idea.
I'm skeptical that Jack is actually waking up from the plane crash, in episode one.:)
Does that mean when the people on the island (Sawyer and them) got back to the camp site and the boat was there (they found the water bottle that said Aijira) they were in the future after the O6 had returned?
Baibe
02-12-2009, 05:27 AM
hmm - i've heard suggestions that the show ends as it begins with jack in the jungle, but this is a new slant on that.
not sure if i am buying it because, if this was him returning....surely he would be armed with all the knowledge of having been on the island?
That's what I am thinking.
Baibe
02-12-2009, 05:42 AM
Does that mean when the people on the island (Sawyer and them) got back to the camp site and the boat was there (they found the water bottle that said Aijira) they were in the future after the O6 had returned?
That is what I was thinking and they were not there cuz they went to look for other people, but then it doesn't explain why they start shooting at them for taking the boat.
LissaMarie
02-12-2009, 05:56 AM
I think that the island is stuck in whatever time they last jumped to now that Locke re-set the wheel. I think they will be back in the Dharma days and the Ajira flight will land on the island at that time. I don't think that means that whoever in the O6 that makes it back to the island are the ones shooting at our left behind Losties though. It could be anyone who was left on the island at that time. Remember that Richards group was still on the island and the new Dharma group would be there too. The new Dharma group may have assumed that our left behinders were hostiles, hence the shooting. I definitely believe those are the same canoes that Karl & Alex used. Just my 2 cents...
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