Constant?

[Bri]

someone in another post said something about faraday not being affected by the time travel with nose bleeds because he found his constant, desmond. that got me thinking.

1. why did charlotte die? she obviously knew daniel as a child, wouldn't he be her constant? and even if her memory of daniel as a child was just formed at that moment (kind of like desmond with daniel), why would she still have nose bleeds? she knew daniel before the time travel started and after. if i recall, when desmond was on the freighter and time traveling, daniel said he needed a constant that he knew before and after the time travel, aka penny.

2. speaking of des on the freighter, he was traveling in his mind, not in physical time. for example, des was traveling to and from 2004 and 1996 but sayid who was with him on the freighter wasn't affected at all. so then it makes sense that des would need penny as a constant, because he's traveling in his own mind. penny being des' constant anchors him in the right time period within his mind.

3. at this point in time on the island, i don't think a constant works as far as helping indiviual people on the island (charlotte) because the ISLAND is travling in actual time, instead of someone traveling within their own mind. essentially the island is travling within it's own mind like des was within his own mind on the freighter. so the ISLAND needs the constant, not the individuals. the individuals will be affected by the islands time travel though, i can't put my finger on why though cause it's not the same kind of time travel des experienced on the freighter.

i don't know if i made any sense. does anyone have any thoughts on this?

[LOSt-n-Oz]

I know what your saying, good insights! It crossed my mind too why the "finding a constant" factor all of a sudden was not in a effect. So i think you landed something with the island needing one. Maybe thats why ALL of them need to return, the Island is in need of all of them to be its CONSTANT to get back on track!!

[Baibe]

I understand what you are saying. That makes perfect sense for Dan to be Charlotte's constant but becuz it is the island and not really her mind the constant rules don't apply.

[Baibe]

I like the idea of the island needing a constant but I can't see how the O6 would be them. They weren't there before. Seems Richard would be the constant since Juliet says he has always been there (but he isn't moving they are.. like he told Locke)

[JfromtheD]

I like the idea of 'all of them' becoming one constant.

But if the island is travelling in time...
Time travel gives access to anyone who was ever there, essentially.
So, anyone who was ever there, is there.:confused:

[ortrules]

Basically, I think as the island continues to flash around time, people's minds can't handle all of it and experience the same thing Desmond did during the constant episode. The problem is that the mind, according to Dan, can't process all the time shifts properly and it gets so messed up that they begin to experiences to time displacement effects.

I believe that having a constant will temporarily help them. For instance, the first time Charlotte passed out and woke up, she didn't recognize Dan but then suddenly did recognize him. I believe at that time, Dan was acting as her constant. However, the island kept moving and her mind kept getting jumbled. So when her mind got lost the second time, she couldn't use Dan as a constant because in the time her consciousness was flashing to, she didn't know Dan.

In the case of Desmond, if he flashed to 1990 instead of 1996, he wouldn't have been able to use Penny as his constant because he didn't know her in both times.

I think this same thing happens to everyone on the island. While it is the island moving, they will eventually feel the same side effects as their mind gets mixed up.

[natego]

Actually, I believe the Constant must be anchored in each time period. Daniel is moving around time with Charlotte. Penny was anchored in both time periods so it allowed Desmond to anchor himself by connecting with her with both time periods

[ortrules]

Actually, I believe the Constant must be anchored in each time period. Daniel is moving around time with Charlotte. Penny was anchored in both time periods so it allowed Desmond to anchor himself by connecting with her with both time periods

That actually goes with what I'm saying then. At that time, they were both anchored in the same time - but then as they started flashing again it negated her use of Dan as her constant.

[natego]

My point is that Daniel never was Charlotte's constant, and could never have been.. Besides she didn't need one because they had not jumped in time as of yet (which causes the sickness). .. The only way I can see Daniel being her constant is if he and her had some meaningful interaction off island, she came to the island but Daniel did not, then she reconnected with Daniel while he is off-island (in real world time) while she was flashed into the past.

[natego]

Taking this one step further.. I believe that if, for instance, Sawyer made communication with Kate while she is off-island with the other 06, perhaps from the radio tower or Ben's communication station, that his nosebleeds would end...

Actually, who knows, we may actually be leading up to and see just that.

[Bri]

i like where this is going. i forgot that daniel specifically told des that he needed someone from 1996 that he also knew in 2004. that was penny obviously and, as someone else said, she was anchored in both times. i still think that the O6 + des + frank lapidus (i really hope he comes back) + walt need to go back to the island to be the constant. maybe the constant rules for an actual mass (the island) are different then for a person. to me, that's the only way you can explain the whole group of people being the constant. because all of those people weren't on the island the whole time. like someone else said, it seems like richard is the only one who's been on the island the whole time.

[StormyKnight]

I like the idea of the island needing a constant but I can't see how the O6 would be them. They weren't there before. Seems Richard would be the constant since Juliet says he has always been there (but he isn't moving they are.. like he told Locke)

That's what I've been saying too. It's a long shot but at this point it's one of a few logical explainations as to what or who Richard is.

[StormyKnight]

i like where this is going. i forgot that daniel specifically told des that he needed someone from 1996 that he also knew in 2004. that was penny obviously and, as someone else said, she was anchored in both times. i still think that the O6 + des + frank lapidus (i really hope he comes back) + walt need to go back to the island to be the constant. maybe the constant rules for an actual mass (the island) are different then for a person. to me, that's the only way you can explain the whole group of people being the constant. because all of those people weren't on the island the whole time. like someone else said, it seems like richard is the only one who's been on the island the whole time.

But why then, would the island let Michael die? Or didn't he? Or is he in the same "state of being" that Christian, Charlie and Claire are in?

[Bri]

i don't know if michael died. i think it's safe to assume he did since he was right by the explosives. i don't think claire is dead she just disappeared. if you think about it, it seems like everyone who died, we actually saw die. the people we didn't actually see die, like jin and maybe even michael and claire, have/will appear alive and well later. i think charlie is definatly dead. the island let charlie die cause he served his purpose in the underwater station. if michael is dead, it's because he served his purpose of destroying the freighter and stopping widmore's people from getting back to the island.

[notsolost42]

I wonder if that woman in London that Desmond met, Theresa, died when Charlotte died on the island? In the end, Charlotte was having the same kind of time jump experiences that she was having, such as a young child again. Dan loved Charlotte and Dan loved Theresa I think. He wouldn't have had a photo of them together if she didn't mean something to him. I still think there's something with the two of them, Charlotte and Thesea, that is.

[Brother Desmond]

Taking this one step further.. I believe that if, for instance, Sawyer made communication with Kate while she is off-island with the other 06, perhaps from the radio tower or Ben's communication station, that his nosebleeds would end...

Actually, who knows, we may actually be leading up to and see just that.

That would have helped anchor Sawyer in that particular time period. But once the Island flashed again they could have been anytime, and he would need someone or something else to anchor his mind before the time displacement became so bad he died because of it.