can sum1 explain the errors in this time delay to me?

[navyguy]

I have been completely convinced about time delay since find815.com and the press release that came out on www.flyoceanicair.com. BUT I'm having trouble figuring this out. How is the communication back to the freighter synchronized while the payload took 31 minutes longer than it should have? Could some1 explain this to me? Why is there no time delay in the communication?

[Dzbabykel]

I didn't really get all too far into find815.com game but what in it made you think of the time delay before last nights episode? That just makes me really curious because there have been a ton of connections between that site and the show.

[The Stepfather]

The conversation between Faraday and the Freighter is syncronized while the actually time is showing a 31 minute difference. It is possible (and I only say this because Michio Kaku, the physicist, has written several books on this very subject) that the laws of physics influence objects that travel at (or close to) the speed of light DIFFERNTLY than objects that travel at dramatically slower speeds. Light and electronics are electromagnetic signals and thus, no matter what, tend to travel at (or around) 198,000 miles PER SECOND. They can be bent (see: eclipse or "the light on the Island here is weird") and influenced (see: Mirage) but still travel at exactly the same speed. That was the foundation of Albert Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity (E=mc2 OR Energy is equal to Mass multiplied by the Speed of Light squared). Or put another way, if you had a beam of light traveling at 198,000 miles PER SECOND and placed that light on a moving object that was traveling at, say, 300,000 miles PER SECOND, the light (or sound - if it's traveling as a electro-magnetic signal) would not have it's speed increased. It could be influenced but it would still arrive at it's source on time.

Atoms in your body, however, are subject to slowing when influenced by magnetic sources and speed.

This could explain why the conversation is in 'real time' (whatever that means) but the act of sending payloads are subject to the time difference.

Hope this helps and hope i didn;t get anything teribbly wrong, facts-wise

[Robo42]

Navy, My guess is that the bearing is important. If you go off this specific bearing you cross the boundary of the "time warp". This is why Dan tells Frank to make sure he follows the exact same bearing out. A few degrees of course course would cause you to cross this boundary. A radio is omni directional and would be able to frequency hop until it locked onto the source in real time. I think when they launched the payload, they didn't have the precise bearing as it looked like it's trajectory came arcing in from a much higher alt. and would have to consider all 3-dimensions in it's course. It's in my head and am finding it difficult to write down.

[Robo42]

Or what stepfather said, he put a nice concise theory to it. I'm trying to use my avionics exp.and knowledge provided by uncle sam to compare radio or microwave comm. to the newtonian physics of the missile.

[navyguy]

I didn't really get all too far into find815.com game but what in it made you think of the time delay before last nights episode? That just makes me really curious because there have been a ton of connections between that site and the show.

from fin815 we find that oceanic gave up the search and wanted to open back up. if you go to the flyoceanicair website you find a press release that gives a december 31st 2007 opening date.

[Dzbabykel]

from fin815 we find that oceanic gave up the search and wanted to open back up. if you go to the flyoceanicair website you find a press release that gives a december 31st 2007 opening date.

Oh ok...sorry if I'm soo slow lol, but how does that have anything to do with the time delay?

[navyguy]

Oh ok...sorry if I'm soo slow lol, but how does that have anything to do with the time delay?

because they have been on the island 100 days, which would put them in december of '04. Outside when the press release was released the plane hadn't been found yet and they were to reopen in december of '07. So there is 3 years between island date and realtime date.

I think the 31 minutes has to do with the location of the freighter relative to the island. Maybe they are somewhere on the edge of the "snowglobe"

[Dzbabykel]

Ohhh ok thats really interesting.....I see now :) Thanks!

[The Stepfather]

I think the longer you stay on the Island it is possible the further PREVIOUS TIME and CURRENT TIME seperate.

So we theorize 100 Sunrises to our losties is PARRALLEL to about 1100 Sunrises (or 3 years) that old friends and family experience. The TIME is the same it's just OBSERVED differently.

Once rescued, the Oceanic 6 will have NO CHOICE but to 'admit' or 'go along' with the FACT that they were gone for 3 years. It's also a FACT that they were gone for 100 days. Both are correct, in that a DAY is defined by 24 hours.

If they try to claim they were gone for 100 days no one would believe them. No one could. 3 years will have gone by, according to the OUTSIDE WORLD'S CLOCK.

Is it possible the Island's Magnetic Attraction is so bizarre (and strong) that it actually effects every single atom on the island? If that were the case, then there is no way anyone there could tell. Example: If you woke up (let's assume I was observing you from a one-way glass window), got dressed and turned the tv on and had a snack, did your day as normal, you would have NO WAY OF KNOWING OR DISPROVING that while you were sleep I shrunk everything in your house by half. If everything in your frame of reference has changed with you then, by definition, nothing may as well have changed because you have no reference to compare; EVRYTHING IS HALF SIZE. But as the guy behind the glass, i know everything is half size because I'M STILL FULL SIZE. Until you SEE or EXPERIENCE anything other than HALF SIZE WORLD you are oblivious to any changes in your world.

Am i making any sense?

So, we can even hypothesize that every living thing on the Island's heart actually beats 10% slower COMPARED to every living thing OFF the Island. What the Losties experience as 1 day, the outside world experiences as 10 days, possibly. Just as Atomic Clocks at the bottom of the Sears Building (closer to the Earth's Core) run slower that Clocks at the Top of the Tower (further from the Core), The Island's Magnetic Forces may have slowed our heroes' internal clocks. This may explain why things heal in odd ways on the Island (and Hurley's Metabolism?)...is it possible the cells are aging so slow as to completely change the way the body functions, healing-wise?

This kind of reminds me of that movie, Contact, where the Billionaire who was dying of Cancer prolonged his death by going in space and floating in 'zero gravity.' Although he did eventually succomb, his cancerous cells WERE effected by the lack of gravity. of course that was just a movie but I always found that intriguing.

[The Stepfather]

Also, one last thing regarding 100 days vs. 3 years. Claire's baby can not leave the island.

Why?

Because her baby is only about 90 days old. Once rescued, if 3 years has REALLY gone by, her baby should be 3 years old, which meant she would have had to gotten pregnant nearly 4 years ago (to the outside world.)

Sun, on the other hand, doesn't have that issue. Her baby is only 5 weeks old and any doctor in OUR world would observe it as such. HOWEVER, OUR WORLD would be unaware that over 2 years of OUR world has passed since her conception.

Remember the Tarot reader in Australia tell Claire she must always look after and protect the baby.

So Claire can not leave the Island.

If the 3 years is correct then damn, somebody send me a cigar.

[Dzbabykel]

Ah this is so confusing.....I need a drink :confused:

[Lost in VA]

go ahead DZ it's 5:00 somewhere

[Dzbabykel]

Haha yah ya wanna join???

[a1sacch]

Seriously, Stepfather, that was awesome.
If that theory is right, I'm even more impressed. But, if it's not I still think it's good. You completely explained everything I didn't understand about this time-delay in lay-man's terms. Thank you!

[Ezekiel 25:17]

yeah dude, that was awesome, and I actually understood some of it... lol. That sort of explains alot, but if time was slowing down, why would injuries heal quicker? Because the infections or whatever were spreading so slowly that by the time an antibiotic gets to them its almost like it never became serious at all, I think that makes sense..... right?? Dude.

[bunnydixon]

i am really muddled but thats because i have been thinking it over all day and now my brain is giving up!

[The Stepfather]

You're welcome! But it all depends on how much time has passed since the actually plane crashed OUTSIDE WORLD TIME.

Remember also that the old woman told Desmond he had two "great things to do". I think one was turning the key to stop the hatch disaster and possibly the other was to be there to receive Penny's call. But instead it was Charlie who received it.

Penny said, "Who's Naomi?" To me, that doesn't mean Penny's not involved with that rescue. Penny may not been privy to Naomi, as she may seemed covert.

I think the blond gal is there to study/look for polar bears, miles is there to get Ben/speak to Jacob (since he likes dead people so much),Jeff Fahey is there because he's a good pilot (and former Oceanic Air Employee who was SUPPOSED to be on that flight but instead his buddy flew) and is connected to that bunch. And lastly, Faraday is there as a Pysicist, to study the effects of electro-magnetic and how it works on time dilation.